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theamazingannie · 6 months
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Hulu usually posts new episodes at 3am EST so I was sat and ready and then find out the new ep isn’t out until 5am😭
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Ot5 ruining Daesungs YouTube channel already by making fake replies of him talking about bigbang as 5. They ruin everything. The silence is making this worse each day.
Yes and no. OT5s ruining Daesung’s YouTube channel already with their shameless fishing for hints regarding a highly controversial and potentially career-ending issue? Yes. Making fake replies of him talking about BIGBANG as 5? No... not yet anyway. Not that I’ve seen. So far there are two such comment replies, and both are authentic. When I first saw them they’d been located and posted/translated by KVIPs (who, by the way, if they were uncomfortable with the replies they would not have so readily shared them). Also Daesung wasn’t “talking about BIGBANG as 5.” He replied to fans talking about BIGBANG as 5. There’s a difference, a subtle but important distinction that needs to be made and more widely understood. The first part of this ask I received yesterday, posted below, is a more accurate summary of what’s happening here:
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Baiting him with their dumb OT5 comments and seeing any interaction with them as support. This is exactly what I feared and strongly suspected would happen sooner or later because SR/OT5 fans, in their desperation to prove their years-long delusion true, lack the decency and the tact to hold back. As we all well know.
(Also, sorry to anon for posting only a snippet of your ask, but you did say “feel free to ignore”!)
Anyway, I’ve already been over this with SR/OT5 fans on Twitter and I don’t feel like hashing it out all over again here, so I’m just gonna post some screenshots. I’m putting them under a cut (“read more”) due to length.
But for the record, I don’t find what Daesung is doing problematic. I find what the fans are doing problematic, absolutely, but Daesung, not really. And from what I’m seeing, most OT4 VIPs don’t much care either. As always, this is yet another chronic case of obsessed idiots two years deep in denial going out of their way to get their grubby hands on BIGBANG and taking every little inconsequential thing they manage to wring out them the wrong way. We’ve seen it too many times to count. We’re tired. But still waiting for BIGBANG, because the senseless actions of a select group of ill-mannered fans shouldn’t have the power to ruin the band for the rest of us.
Yes, I was hoping he would be more careful, but when the fandom is overflowing with shit, 99% of which is focused on him right now, I figured it was only a matter of time before he stepped in it. Especially when you factor in the enthusiasm with which he’s jumped in. He replied rapidfire to an astonishing 450 comments in less than 4 days (the first 4 days). Daesung is brand spanking new to this kind of direct, one-one-one interaction with fans in this setting and on this scale and, in the beginning at least, seemed wholly unaware of the minefield he was sprinting through at full speed.
Give it time. Maybe he’ll figure it out and stop replying to those kinds of comments. Maybe he won’t. In the end it doesn’t really matter because it doesn’t mean anything except that after so long without, he’s excited to join in the fun and receive love and praise for his group again, no matter how many members, past or present, are mentioned.
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I Want It, I Got It: Chapter 8
Summary: Phil Lester was a worker for the BBC in London. Working in the advertising department, he was content being alongside his friend and fellow coworker PJ during every shift. However, the BBC is temporarily being used as a film set for a new movie staring Hollywood ‘It’ star, Daniel Howell. Being stuck as an extra on the set, Phil finds it’s hard to ignore the famous star. And maybe, just maybe, Dan finds it hard to ignore Phil as well.
Word Count: 2.3k (this chapter)
Warnings: Occasional swearing
Rating: Mature (for right now)
Updates will be every Wednesday at 4pm and Sunday at 1pm EST
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Work returned to normal within just a few days and it was like nothing had ever happened at the BBC. Phil wouldn’t ever hear the whispers anymore from the people who were once so infatuated with the idea of big stars like Mimei Lake and Dan being in the same building. 
And although the filming had played such a massive role in the BBC the last few days, it was almost like it never happened. But of course, it had to have happened. Because if it hadn’t, Phil wouldn’t currently be on Skype with Dan Howell who is currently 8 hours behind him in Los Angeles. 
Phil almost didn’t agree to the Skype call when Dan asked for his Skype name. Mostly because Phil was extremely nervous to be seeing Dan again face to face after their day in London that didn’t go as planned. But Dan was pretty adamant that he’d like to speak with Phil in a way that wasn’t over text and Phil decided to comply. 
“I feel like there is a lot I need to explain.” 
Those were the first words out of Dan’s mouth as the grainy laptop camera focused on Dan’s face. “You really don’t need to explain anything.” 
Dan looked down at his lap and let out a sigh. “But I also have to because I feel like it’s not fair to you that you didn’t get to show me around London like we planned because my anxiety got in the way.” 
“It’s not your fault.” 
“But it feels like it is.” 
“Dan.” It was the first time that Phil had really used Dan’s name directly to him and it felt a bit odd. “You never have to apologize for the way something bothers you. If that situation was making you uncomfortable, you had every right to want to go back to your hotel and be alone.” 
Dan let out another sigh. “This life isn’t what it’s cracked up to be.” 
Phil felt the sadness coming from Dan through the screen. 
“When I was young, I dreamt about these days of my life where I could sit back in my Hollywood hills mansion and look at my awards and think ‘damn, I fucking did it.’ But now that this is my life, it’s so much more than I’ve ever thought it to be.” 
There is a stall in Dan’s words and Phil can see that he’s trying to think over what to say next in his head. “I’m not saying that this isn’t the life I want―it’s just that maybe this life isn’t for me? I mean for God’s sake, I couldn’t even handle it when a few fans found out I was on the London Eye.” 
“They shouldn’t have followed you.” Phil said, finding his gaze staring directly at the brown eyed male’s. “That’s a breach of your privacy.” 
“They don't care about that.” There was a sharp pang in Dan’s words. “Most of them do in fact care about my privacy but others are looking for a peak into my life when they don’t need one.” 
“Kind of like how a bunch of them tried to figure out who I was?” 
Dan nodded and smirked. “To be fair, they did a good job. But I’m not too fond of them all assuming that you’re my new boyfriend. Like granted, theres nothing wrong with that, but not every person I’m seen with I’m dating.” 
“Isn’t that how it always works though?” Phil asked, genuinely curious. “I mean look at Ariana Grande or really any celebrity out there.” 
“Well, of course. But that doesn’t mean I can’t be annoyed when it happens to me.” 
Phil shrugged. “Fair enough. It’s been odd to see people try and write up a story about me and I’m not even a known person. I’m just Phil from the BBC.” 
Dan flashed a smile at him and cocked his head to the side. “Just Phil from the BBC?” 
Phil laughed. “Does sound kind of lame, doesn’t it?” 
Dan let out a hearty laugh and fell backwards onto his bed, his laptop falling down with him. As the camera fell with it, Phil couldn’t help but notice how soft, yet pillowy, Dan’s comforter looked underneath him. 
“I’m exhausted.” Dan says, turning on his side and positioning his laptop to lay next to him on his bed. “My flight got in last night and then I was expected to be on set early this morning.” 
“Go get some sleep then.” 
Dan snorted. “As if you can talk. Isn’t it like 3am in the UK right now?” 
Phil looked at the time on top of his laptop. “It’s only 2:38am, thank you very much.” 
“You should be the one going to bed.” 
“I don’t have to work tomorrow.” Phil argued. That wasn’t a lie. He really didn’t have to work tomorrow. 
“You shouldn’t be staying up because of me.” 
But I want to. 
“I don’t mind.” 
“But I do.” Dan quipped. “You should go to bed and I should too even though it’s only 6 and I should be eating dinner.” 
“Go eat dinner and then get some rest.” Phil felt himself yawn and Spike shifted on the bed next to him in protest. 
“Okay.” Dan didn’t protest any longer, but Phil could see he was struggling to keep his eyes open. “Can I just say something before this call ends?” 
“What is it?” 
“Thank you for being my friend, Phil. I don’t have many of those nowadays.” 
Phil felt his heart jump in his throat but he didn’t have a long time to process Dan’s words because suddenly Dan’s phone rang and he sympathetically cut off the Skype call to answer it in private.
But Phil laid awake for a while that night, trying to decipher Dan’s words. He could only just barely see where he fit into everything.
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@Danielhowell 
I could sleep for the next ten years zzzzzzz
The first thing Phil saw when he woke up the next morning was the notification for Dan’s tweet from the night before. He found himself smiling and opening the tweet, letting his phone take him to Dan’s Twitter. 
It was posted only two hours ago, but given that it was nearing 10am in the UK, that meant it was only 2am in Los Angeles and he was sure Dan was sleeping by now. But something inside of him still moved his fingers for him and suddenly he was typing out: 
to@danielhowell 
amazingphil: hopefully you’re finally sleeping by now! 
The moment that Phil’s fingers subconsciously pressed reply, he had a sinking feeling that this was going to backfire. But he didn’t bother to delete the tweet. He quickly exited the app and threw his phone down beside him. 
Spike was curled into a ball at the end of his bed, snoring in a way where his breath hit Phil’s feet and made them a bit too warm for Phil’s liking. But Spike was sleeping and clearly comfortable so he wasn’t going to bother him. 
He closed his eyes, beginning to feel like he might sleep for an hour or so more when his phone buzzed and he picked it up out of instinct. Seeing what was there caused his eyes to bug and he let out a shocked noise. 
to@amazingphil 
danielhowell: I still can’t sleep :( 
And with that reply set off a minefield in the replies. Phil’s Twitter began to be spammed by people replying to him or to Dan. He suddenly had people following him that he had no idea who they were but they had Dan’s name in their Twitter handle. 
People were screaming in the replies about the interaction and many more were screaming about how they ‘shipped’ him and Dan together. Phil didn’t even know what that meant. 
He was starting to panic, anxiety rising in his throat. From the end of the bed, he could hear Spike whimper and suddenly, his pup was running to him. Phil wrapped his arms around him and held his dog close, burying his face into Spike’s short fur. 
He took deep breaths. Everything was going to be okay. He had to keep telling himself that. Dan has mentioned his fans multiple times. He’s apologized on behalf of his fans multiple times. 
He was going to be fine.
Phil let go of Spike and picked his phone back up, daring to look at everything. It still looked bad…but not as bad as it was before. He unlocked his phone and went back onto Twitter, assessing the damage. 
Well, there wasn’t a lot of damage per se, just a lot of random people suddenly @‘ing him and following him. He even had a few dm’s but he wasn’t going to open those. He was sure they were from fans who just wanted to know more information about him that he wasn’t willing to give. 
In a freak moment, he went into his settings and privated his Twitter, making it so no one could follow him and no one could message him. He didn’t need that in his life. Not now. 
He was trying to continue to calm down when he got a text from Dan that came through. 
Dan: OH MY GOD i’m so sorry! I didn’t mean for that to happen. 
Phil: It wasn’t you. I’m sorry for even replying. 
Dan: You shouldn’t be sorry for that. 
Dan: Point blank, my fans can be intrusive and they can be dicks. I’m really sorry. 
Phil lets out a breath and reaches up, rubbing his hand across his face. If it wasn’t for all that had just happened, he might have felt that his eyes hurt from leaving in his contacts over night. But he’s not concentrated on that. He’s concentrated on this entire…mess. 
His phone suddenly vibrates and Dan’s name pops up that he’s calling him. 
Phil answers without a hesitation. 
“I…I can’t believe that happened, Phil.” 
“I’m not sure I can either.” Phil answers honestly. 
“Did anyone bother you? I saw you privated your Twitter really quickly.” 
“I had quite a few mentions and also I think some dm’s?” Phil felt his breathing pick up. “I’m quite nervous to read them.” 
He heard Dan let out a loud sigh. “Please just―don’t let them bother you, okay? I know that I let them bother me sometimes but you don’t deserve to be bothered.” 
“I’ll try.” 
Phil could almost hear the smile that he was sure Dan now had. “I feel so bad. You have no idea.” 
“It’s not you.” Phil repeats. “I just never thought about the backlash of me replying to you.” 
“This is all a right mess, isn’t it?” Dan laughed. 
Phil found himself laughing too. 
Dan let out another sigh before beginning to speak again. “I have a question and I feel like this is probably coming at a really bad time but I’ve been meaning to ask.” 
Phil feels his heart pick up it’s beating and his hands begin to shake. Spike begins to whimper again and Phil reaches out to pet him to feel better. “Yeah?” 
“Would you care if I came back to London next week between filming?” 
***
“When did you get chummy with the movie star?” 
Phil looks up from his laptop to his brother sat at the small kitchen table in his flat, working on his own laptop for the clothing business that he owned. “What are you talking about?” 
Martyn scoffed. “You know what I mean. Everyone saw what happened on Twitter this morning.” 
“I just replied to him and he replied back.” Phil shrugged. “It can happen to anyone.” 
“Don’t pull that shit on me, Phil.” Martyn laughed. “Are you and Dan dating?” 
Phil quickly shook his head. “No! We’re just friends.” 
Martyn cocked an eyebrow. “Are you sure about that?” 
“Martyn…come on.” 
Martyn shrugs and Phil lets out a loud sigh. “We’re not dating. We’re barely even friends.” 
“Do you want to be dating?” 
Phil has to admit that his dating life wasn’t something he had thought about in a while. If he was being fully honest, he was kind of assuming that he was going to remain single for the rest of his life. Mostly considering that he was newly 32 and hadn’t been able to keep a relationship for over a year before it fell apart. 
Phil did find Dan attractive, but who didn’t? Dan was stunning with his brown curls and honey eyes. Phil will never forget how beautiful Dan looked the first time that he met him in person. 
He couldn’t wait to see Dan again next week. 
They had spoken for a while on the phone this morning before Dan complained that he couldn’t keep his eyes open anymore and Phil told him to go to bed. Dan wanted to come to London but he said he wanted to keep it a secret best he can. So he asked to stay at Phil’s flat and Phil agreed. 
He was nervous for it. But he was also excited but he felt like this would be a really good time to really develop a friendship with Dan that he wanted. He really wanted to be friends with Dan. And if it led to something else―well, he wouldn’t be mad if it led to something else. 
But that’s only an if. 
“I wouldn’t mind if we did but I also just want to be his friend right now.’ 
Martyn scoffs again. “You’re lying.” 
“Not every guy I’m friends with is someone that I want to date.” Phil comments with a laugh.
“Well, no.” Martyn says. “I’m not daft enough to believe that. But you’re really going to sit there and tell me that you don’t want to date Daniel Howell?”
“I―I wouldn’t be opposed to it.” 
“Wouldn’t be opposed to it?” Martyn mocked. “Just admit it, Phil. You find Dan attractive. It’s okay.” 
Phil felt his face flush and finally, giving in, he muttered a quick. “I think Dan is really attractive.” 
Martyn let out a little laugh again and went back to typing on his laptop and Phil went back to his own work. 
It felt good for Phil to say that for once. It felt almost as if a weight had been lifted off from him. 
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The Understate of Underspace, 2019
With 2019 getting underway, I’d like to give a recap of all the things that happened in 2018, and a sort of indirect roadmap of Underspace’s development.
Underspace began development about a year and a half ago, and originally, I had planned to have released it at this point in time. But plans are a fluid thing. No big, life changing revelation happened to cause this delay. There was no seed money stolen or New York game studio we opened up that ran out of money or sun god telling me to burn the game away. It’s merely a large endeavor and, while that original deadline could have been met, it’d mean cutting a lot of corners and features (including big ones like multiplayer). Underspace has a clear vision in mind, and I want to stick to that vision.
To that extent, I’d like to give an overview of the game so far, since by no means is it in some unplayable state.
So, what’s currently done?
On the gameplay side, things are what I’d like to call “action-complete”. Every base thing the player is expected to be able to do (fly around, dock, talk to other ships, use weapons, cloak, repair their ship, etc) functions. Players can level up, take missions, equip their ship, and so on.
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Every station and system can be docked on and visited. These areas are connected, and have gas clouds, asteroids, minefields, spawnpoints for ships, etc. All these stations sell ships and equipment that are appropriate to their owning faction. Stations also buy and sell tradeable commodities.
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On that matter, every piece of equipment and every fighter exists. Every fighter can be bought, and most every piece of equipment can be acquired in some way.
Every faction exists, spawns ships, and reacts appropriately to one another. Factions also react to player actions, and their reputations change accordingly. Factions also offer missions and various activities for the player to complete.
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The framework of more advanced features, such as quests, dialogue, and bosses, is fully implemented. A few examples of these are already implemented, but, as you’ll see, there’s a lot more to go there.
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Finally, multiplayer is close to parity with singleplayer. This feature by far has the most to be done on it, but in that sense it’s the difference between something being 85% done and 99% done. Most of these to-be-done features are small changes or features: not being able to see other players when they cloak, dealing with sudden disconnects, or smoothing out synchronized movement between clients. For the most part though, if you can do it in singleplayer, you can do it in multiplayer.
What’s still to be done?
The stage that development is in now is sort of a multi-part endeavor. I wouldn’t call it the last leg, rather, it’s the leg where the game really shapes up and content starts really coming out, and existing content and features are further polished.
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Starting off, there’s the remaining content. A few ships (namely bombers and freighters, plus some NPC ships) are missing, and still need to be modeled and implemented. On the side of modeling, we have quite a few solars (celestial bodies including stations, wrecks, and other special things we can’t talk about) that need to be modeled.
On that matter, stations need a rework: both inside and out. This involves taking those station models (if you haven’t noticed, our stations are basically white cubes at this point) and placing them down, while interiors obviously need both structure, decoration and population. This means each station needs to be able to be walked around in, but also have unique NPCs one can interact with in a variety of ways.
Similar to stations, star systems also have more to go. While plenty is in, systems are in a constant state of rework: tweaking colors, population density, hidden jumpgates and jumpholes but more than that, systems need detail beyond just what’s on the beaten path: points of interest, side stories, wrecks, etc.
I call these vignettes, and most always every system has a few of these to tell. They can be simple as a decrepit train in a scrapyard with some leaking coolant, to a fighter squadron caught inside light sensitive coral.
On the questing side of things: most bosses, quests, and both campaigns (singleplayer and multiplayer) need to be implemented. There’s a lot of neat scenes and moments here that I’m not going to spoil, you’ll have to play the damn game yourself. In some ways this is the bulk of the work.
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And of course, we have a few remaining features. These are never large things anymore, they’re mostly internally technology: saving features, support for extra keybinds, alternate control schemes, etc. You won’t see too many updates on these,
The last of these steps is polishing what’s already there. Graphical improvements, optimization, rebalancing and such. This is, of course, always an ongoing process, and even after release there’s obviously tweaks and bugfixes and patches to be expected. Ultimately the goal with this stage right now is to look at the game and say “Is it fun?” (The answer is yes) and “Does it play without filling your computer with wasps” (The answer is sort of). This is probably the most important step, and though it’s not the biggest part, it might end up being the longest.
Where do we go from here?
So, ultimately as you can see there’s still a lot to be done. As always, I’ll try to give regular development updates, both here and on my Twitter. There are however, more major milestones and updates coming up. In addition to more graphical overhauls as the game advances, I’m going to start doing larger posts and media bits about the game. Expect more trailers and development videos as the year starts up. At the same time: expect long dark periods of postlessness, there’s a lot of deep deep work I’ll be doing here and there.
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And, most importantly, we do have a Kickstarter coming up! This will be early this year, expect it late February to early March.
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jacaranda-bloom · 5 years
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WIP Wednesday
I was tagged by these amazing writers to post a snippet of a WIP fic - thank you to @lululawrence @sadaveniren and @lightwoodsmagic !! I thoroughly enjoyed reading all your snippets! 💜
I appreciate that it’s no longer Wednesday, but if anyone wants to do this now, or even wait until next week, I’ll tag @sweariwouldnt @runaway-train-works @beau-soleil-louis and @taggiecb !
So this is a bit of my Rare Pair fic. The working title is The Cyber Sphere and the pair is Louis/Dermot O’Leary. (I hear the sound of a scratching record...) Yes. Louis and Dermot. The thing is, having only ever written Larry I didn’t know what to do with a Rare Pair and I really liked their interactions on XFactor. So...
The premise is that Louis is the author of The Cyber Sphere, a best-selling series of novels which have spawned a movie franchise, comics, spin-offs, television series, and is supported by a rabid fanbase who call themselves Cyber’s. Louis lives in a fortress-like penthouse, and guards his privacy, limiting his interaction with the outside world. He still keeps tabs on what is going on the Cyber world and sometimes listens in to one of the many radio programs dedicated to exploring all things Cyber related. The Cyber Times is one of those shows. When the regular host is ill, the replacement host is Dermot O’Leary. Louis decides to interact on Twitter. Chaos ensues.
The set up for this scene is that Dermot has put a call out on Twitter for the topic of discussion for the evening's program and selected the question “What does a day in the life of Louis Tomlinson look like?”
Donny babbles on. “And yeah, he’s probably got a staff of people, all with NDA’s and stuff, like super top secret. And he’s working on military and government code, all for the good of humanity, ya know? He probably has these conference calls with the leaders of the world and stops evil schemes to destroy the earth or summat. Yeah. Yeah, really cool stuff.”
“Well, that’s certainly a unique take. Thanks for your input, Donny. Lots of interesting theories coming through on Twitter too, I see. I’m just curious though listeners... Does no one think he’s just kicking around in sweats, drinking tea, eating junk food, and shouting at the ref on television like a regular person?”
Louis sputters, a few drops of tea spilling onto his sweats. Well, fuck.
“No? Just me, then? Alright, when we come back from the break we’ll take a few more callers, so don’t go away.”
Louis pauses and then decides to throw caution to the wind. He gets up and goes back to his console, bringing up his Twitter feed.
Social media is a minefield sometimes, but he kind of loves it. He has fifty-six million Twitter followers and thirty-two million Instagram followers. God only knows why. He just tweets nonsense about football and debunks myths about The Cyber Sphere. He rarely posts on Instagram and when he does, it’s mainly pictures of tech gadgetry. Cool, artsy, well-constructed images, but tech gadgetry nonetheless. The conspiracy theorists like to think he’s speaking in code and dropping hints about his upcoming work or about hidden messages left behind in his other novels. He’s not. He could, of course. But he isn’t. Maybe one day he will. His contract is iron-clad in his favour and he can pretty much do whatever the fuck he wants, but The Cyber Sphere is a brand. He’d never want to risk damaging it, and there are a lot of people who make their living out of it, off it, around it. But yeah, he isn’t opposed to having a bit of fun if the mood ever takes him. And it appears that the mood has, in fact, taken him.
Louis types out a new tweet and posts it.
Actually, I don’t eat junk food - healthy body, healthy mind and all that. Also, that ref deserved to be shouted at! #sweatsarecomfy
He sits back and waits for the carnage that is sure to follow. He wonders whether Dermot is ready for the avalanche of new listeners that are about to tune in and bombard the show’s Twitter feed.
The ad break continues, longer than it normally would have, probably. He envisages the chaos that is no doubt unfolding in the studio. Scrolling through the replies to his tweet, he chuckles as he sees people trying to work out what the fuck is going on and what he’s talking about. #sweatsarecomfy has just started trending worldwide, so has Dermot O’Leary. Nice. He should get some attention. He seems like a good lad.
“Welcome back. And, uhm, welcome to all the new listeners that have just tuned in. Seems like things have taken quite an interesting turn in the last five minutes. For those who have yet to see, we got a cryptic mention on Twitter… Was is it cryptic, though? Seemed pretty obvious to me. My very sweaty, red-faced producer in the other room and the station director and head of legal on the phone are saying that I need to say that. Anyway, we got a cryptic mention, feel free to add the air quotes for yourselves listeners, from none other than Louis Tomlinson himself. Thanks, man. I hear I’m trending on Twitter worldwide. My mum will be so proud.”
Louis laughs loudly. This guy is good.
“So I guess we now have a partial answer to what a day in the life of Louis Tomlinson looks like. Seems as though he watches footie and kicks around the house in comfy clothes just like the rest of us. I like that. Begs the question though, what other normal things does he do? Is he a tea or coffee man? Cats or dogs? Does he sleep naked? Does he brush his teeth in the shower? Does he dress to the left or to the right? Does he scroll through social media on the loo? Whoops. I’m getting a lot of waving arms and mouthed expletives from my poor producer. Okay. Uhm... “ Dermot laughs, the evil tone crystal clear. “Now there’s shouting. A lot of shouting.”
Louis cackles again and brings up a new tweet, typing in the text and posting.
Tea (come on, man). Both. Yes. No, ew. Left. Doesn’t everyone?
There’s a pause, Dermot presumably reading the answer. This is fun. He’s enjoying interacting this way. Creating a bit of harmless chaos and hysteria. Dermot’s joyous laugh rings out, a guffaw, followed by a throaty chuckle.
“Well, that’s… good to know. Thanks, Louis. I’m going to go out on a limb and say there was absolutely nothing cryptic about that, so everyone can just take a seat. That includes you, Graham. Graham is my producer, everyone. Hi Graham! You can’t see it, but I’m waving at him. He’s really quite cross. I think he should get his blood pressure checked, and lay off the coffee. Louis said so, after all. I’m a tea man myself. Actually, not that anyone probably cares, but my answers to those questions are exactly the same. Weird, right? Anyway, we’re going to try to and get back to the show after this next song. Any requests from our listeners?”
Louis types out a new tweet and posts it.
Go Let It Out
Dermot laughs again. He’s got a great laugh. Deep and genuine. Louis would like to hear it on the regular.
“So apparently, Louis and I not only have the same caffeine intake methods and, uhh... dressing preferences,” Dermot clears his throat. Cheeky. “But we also have the same taste in music. Good to know. All of it. Okay, here’s Go Let It Out by Oasis, as requested by our very special listener, and self-professed naked-sleeper.”
Louis smiles. He should definitely do this more often.
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Hit Refresh: Landing the Damn Job
We’re back with another episode of our podcast Hit Refresh. You can listen on iTunes, Soundcloud, Stitcher, Overcast, our site, or wherever you get your podcasts.
There’s so much at stake when it comes to finding a job—it’s your livelihood, how you spend your entire days, the amount of money you make, and a major way to contribute to the world.
And, the job search has so many minefields: Where do you even look for jobs? How do you know if you’re qualified? What should you put on your resume? And how do you handle the interview? For this episode, we partnered with the biggest name in job hunting—Glassdoor, whose editorial director Amy Elisa Jackson walks us through the nitty-gritty of landing a job. (And, check out our reading list for a guide with bonus information from Amy Elisa on nailing the job hunt.
And in Act II, we address the part of the job search that nobody likes: networking. The inimitable Jen Dziura of Get Bullish convinces our most stubborn producer that networking isn’t just a necessary evil—it’s actually fun.
Please let us know what you think of the podcast! We’d LOVE it if you could write us a review on iTunes. We’ll read every single one!
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Landing the Damn Job Transcript
Amy Elisa Jackson: It is very much a job seeker’s market right now: The unemployment rate is low, companies are hiring like crazy and they want talented, engaged individuals to join their ranks, and this is true from Alabama to Austin to—you know—Syracuse. Everywhere is hiring right now. So the ball is really in the job seeker’s court. It’s a good time to be working in America.
Introduction: Let’s Get Technical
Instrumental theme music.
Adda Birnir: This is Hit Refresh, a podcast for anyone who’s stuck and needs a fresh start. I’m Adda Birnir, a self-taught coder, educator, and CEO & Founder of Skillcrush—an interactive learning community that teaches total beginners the tech skills they need to get into better, higher paying careers with real mobility.
Twice a month, we talk about what it look likes to work in tech and why I think that learning tech skills is the single best career decision any forward-thinking professional can make.
But when I say working in tech, I’m not talking about moving to Silicon Valley, or getting a computer science degree, or magically transforming into a young white guy wearing a hoodie and coding all night. Because at Skillcrush, we know that tech is for EVERYONE.
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Job hunting is…nobody’s favorite thing to do. There’s so much at stake. We’re talking your livelihood, what you do all day long, how much money you make, how you’re contributing to the world. . . Oof!
And there are so many moving parts and important, but small, details: Where do you look for jobs? How do you know if you’re qualified? What should your resume say? And what about the interview?! It’s enough to make anyone tear their hair out.
So if you are currently looking for a new job, I want you to know that if what you’re doing feels hard, it’s because it is hard. But you’re not in this alone.
As you might guess, I’m constantly talking to our students about looking for jobs. And whenever I get the chance to talk to a student who’s looking for work, I always tell them them my best piece of job hunting advice, even though I know it’s the hardest advice to follow: You should approach your job search like a learning experience, where you test and learn until you get it right. And most importantly, don’t judge yourself as you go through the process.
Try not to think about each new job you apply to as the one—the job to end all jobs, the job that will solve all your problems. Because even if it feels true at the time, there is no job that will solve all your problems. Nothing will solve all your problems. Let me just break it to you right now: Being alive means having problems, no matter what your job is.
Alright, now that I’ve lectured to you about your job-hunting mindset, it’s time for some nitty-gritty tactics on how to nail the job hunt. Our producers Julia Sonenshein and Haele Wolfe have the story.
Act 1: The Nuts and Bolts
Haele Wolfe: The job search can be overwhelming and full of anxiety. And it can be doubly so if you’ve been out of the game for a while, or if you’re changing careers. I’m relatively new to Skillcrush, and I remember that when I was on the job market, I couldn’t find concrete answers to my questions about what it looks like to land a job. So. . . I went and got answers to every question I had.
Amy Elisa: Awesome. Well my name is Amy Elisa Jackson and I am the editorial director here at Glassdoor.
Haele: Amy Elisa ran me through the specifics—beginning with basics. How do you even start to look for a job?
Amy Elisa: I do think that when before you kind of start your job search process, really getting clear about what you want is the first step. Do you want an open office environment? Do you want a closed door? Do you want a casual environment? And that’s true for the senior executive for the intern or new hire. You always wanna take a look at what interests you most—not just in terms of skill and job description—but also how you want to spend your days.
Haele: Like I said: basics. It’s important to note here that there are a lot of little, practical things to remember when beginning your job search. Like, when you’re reading job descriptions, how many of the qualifications should you fit? How much should you assume you can learn on the fly? This is particularly important for women. We usually apply to jobs only if we are 100 percent qualified for them. While guys, tend to wing it a little more—and there’s hard data to back that up. I’ll let Julia explain.
Julia Sonenshein: Just popping in to say that this is a real thing— an internal Hewlett Packard found that men tend to apply for jobs when they meet only 60 percent of the qualifications, but women apply only if they meet 100 percent of them. To quote Huffington Post editor Chloe Angyl, “Lord, give me the confidence of one white man who has read one book on the topic”. Back to Amy Elisa and Haele.
Amy Elisa: I personally really recommend that a job seeker try to match about 80 percent of the qualifications. I think that’s a safe zone where you’re confident that you could perform the job but you’d also be able to kind of stretch and learn that extra 20 percent. Some qualifications have a little wiggle room like the number of years of experience. However, some areas are set in stone. For example, if you’re applying to a sales manager position but you have no sales experience, you probably shouldn’t apply. But if it’s just a regular sales role, you can definitely wing it.
Haele: Okay so once you’ve found this listing, what do you with your resume? Do you just like send it in? Amy Elisa says not so fast. . .in fact, she has three key resume tips:
Amy Elisa: I’ve interviewed dozens of recruiters and hiring managers and they say that a winning resume has a few amazing qualities.
Haele: Okay, #1: Your resume needs to quantify your impact.
Amy Elisa: So you’ve gotta really make it obvious with data how you have impacted the business and work you’ve done previously. And so even if you are new to the field or job market, you can quantify your impact in college classes, or other work, volunteering, etc.
Haele: #2: Customize your resume for each and every job.
Amy Elisa: You want relevant skills and experience on your resume. These days, it’s key to have a resume that’s customized to the role you’re applying for. You should include some of the same language from the job descriptions around skills and responsibilities into the resume that you’re using to apply for this job. So, of course you should be honest, but, you should make sure that the skills you have and that you’re presenting on your resume line up with the job description.
Haele: #3: Make SURE it’s easy to read.
Amy Elisa: All recruiters and hiring managers love a well organized and formatted resume. It should be very clear, very concise—don’t go crazy with etsy downloadable templates—I love them too but fight the feeling. You want it to be simple and consistent. And lastly, the thing that we all take for granted when we’re job searching is spelling and grammar and accuracy. Spell check multiple times and have a friend review your resume.
Haele: If you’re furiously taking notes right now, don’t panic—we partnered with Amy Elisa and Glassdoor to make a free, downloadable guide with all of this info. Just head to skillcrush.com/newjob.
Haele: Okay great. So, you sent in your resume, you heard back, now you have the interview. How do you prepare for the interview, especially if you are a nervous person like I am?
Amy Elisa: So we all get nerves. We are all anxious before the interview. But what recruiters and hiring managers that I talk to say is they really want informed candidates and those informed candidates: people who are well researched, engaged, and have the right qualifications. So you’ve done your research, you know what it is you really want, and you really do like this company. A lot of people fail to do this but it’s important.
Haele: Okay, but how do you get informed about a company? Good news. It’s as simple as a quick Google search and a little bit of time spent on social media.
Amy Elisa: Check out their Twitter handle. What are they saying on LinkedIn? What’s the latest article about them in the New York Times? And so making sure in your preparation before the interview that you’re as informed about a company as possible will make you a better candidate and more likely to be hired.
Haele: The other big thing in preparing for an interview is. . .
Amy Elisa: Practice, practice, practice.
You should also prepare anecdotes about you know, how you solved a challenging problem at work or about how you would talk about that gap in your resume or why your skills from profession are transferable to this new field.
Haele: Great. Now, what else should you be looking out for during your interview?
Amy Elisa: One of the biggest mistakes that job seekers make when they are in an interview is that they forget to ask informed questions of their hiring manager or the people that they’re interviewing with. Like, how does this position to the larger organization’s success? Or, can you walk me through your typical workday? How does employee feedback get incorporated into the day-to-day?
Haele: Amy Elisa is such an expert, I had to ask her opinion on how to deal with my own personal point of anxiety when it comes to job interviews. How the heck do you respond when someone asks: What’s your greatest weakness? Ugh.
Amy Elisa: Aghhhh! The what’s your greatest weakness question is one that gets everyone. It’s tricky because you don’t have to give a gimmicky answer about sort of “Oh, my biggest weakness is I’m a perfectionist or I’m a workaholic.” That is not honest, and the recruiter or the hiring manager will know that that is not it. So instead of softballing this, you really want to focus on what is a weakness that you really wanna work on. Perhaps a weakness is that you’re not as good at coding as you wanna be and so currently you’re enrolled in a SQL training course. You want to make sure that they don’t think it’s something that is a shortcoming you aren’t trying to address or don’t want to fix. And so identify that weakness and then say how you’re trying to remedy it or how you have been working towards improving. No need to panic when you get the what’s your greatest weakness question.
Haele: It’s all about balance. The best way to address these moments of anxiety, is to put them in the context of where you’re applying and what you want to do, and then attack them in a very logical way. Got it! So, I listened to most of this podcast, I fixed my resume, and had a great interview. I’m laying in bed coming down from that high, and I am trying to formulate the follow up email in my head. What am I gonna write?
Amy Elisa: If your grandmother did not teach you, a thank you note goes a long way. Okay, so when you’re in your interview, you should be sure to get the contact information of all of your interviewers at the end of the interview. I know that seems like overwhelming especially in a panel interview where’s there’s probably six people in the room, but don’t hesitate to ask because you want to follow up with each of the people that you’ve interviewed with. You really want to thank each interviewer and for the opportunity that they provided in taking time to speak with you and then don’t hesitate to include a reference about something you two spoke about. So you should send that follow up email either that night or the next morning. You want to stay on their minds and reinforce why you’re a perfect fit for the job.
Haele: There’s one more thing I wanted to address with Amy Elisa. But what about those of us re-entering the workforce? Let’s face it: There’s a lot of anxiety around coming back onto the job market after a break, or around transitioning from one field to another. What’s the secret to starting strong and setting yourself up for success?
Amy Elisa: One of the the first things i would suggest a transitioner do is really write down those hard and soft skills, those skills that you have, whether that’s good communication which is an example of a soft skill or a technical skill such as Python or you know being able to operate a certain type of machinery or a certification you’ve received. There’s nothing better than a boost when you’re kind of looking at a sheet of paper that’s got all your skills and you’re like, “You know what? I’m kind of a badass, like I do have something to offer!” Don’t hesitate to talk to other career transitioners. You know, you can see what other people have done either through social media or talking to friends or mentors.
Don’t think that you’re the only one in that boat. So many people are transitioning careers or are coming back into the career space, the professional space either from raising children or traveling or taking care of an elderly parent.
Haele: Feeling ready to get hired? Don’t worry, we’ve still got one more segment to get you prepped for finding your dream career. Right, Julia?
Julia: Hey. . .When we come back, we’ll tackle my least favorite thing: networking. Apparently, it doesn’t have to be painful at all. We’ll see.
Act 2: Ugh, Networking
Julia: Okay, so Amy Elisa mentioned reaching out to people, which sounds suspiciously like networking, which is blech. . . Haele: I bet in ten minutes or less I could change your mind about networking. Julia: Are we betting money?
Jen Dziura: Hi, this is Jen Dziura from Get Bullish, for feminist productivity badasses.
Haele: Jen has been giving her brand of aggressive lady advice for years now, as a writer, educator, speaker, mentor—you name it. She also writes Slay and Get Paid, a monthly column on Skillcrush’s blog, which is your go to for that freelance life.
Haele: How’s your day going? Jen: It’s pretty good. Yeah, how about yourself? Haele: It’s been really nice. I’m just kind of enjoying cozying up because the weather is so cold. Jen: Yeah, terrible. Not looking forward.
Julia: Haele, this is kind of a long intro we can probably cut it— Haele: Just stick with it! Give it a sec.
Jen: I actually bought some snow pants the other day, like actual ski pants with the little overalls attached. Haele: Nice.
Julia: Okay, yeah, we can keep rolling on that.
Jen: —and I have never skied and I have no intention of ever skiing. It does not sound like fun, but I’m going to wear the ski pants. I’m just going to wear them. And I’m going to make them look good. It’s going to be an awesome look for me, but I’m going to be wearing the ski pants all winter. Haele: That’s great news. I’m really happy to hear that. Laughs. Jen: It’s my new thing. Haele: After the ski pant segue, I think that’s a really natural segue to talk about networking. Both laugh.
Haele: Okay, so, Julia, you’re obviously not alone in hating networking—for maybe obvious reasons.
Jen: I mean, it’s awful. Of course people don’t like things that are objectively terrible. Like let’s stand around and have awkward conversations with strangers where we pretend we don’t want something from them but we kind of do and also like you’re drinking out of a plastic cup usually. And I think it’s totally justified if you acknowledge that most networking events are pretty terrible.
Julia: Yes! Okay. It’s terrible. Let’s throw the whole thing out. Haele: Enh, keep your ski pants on.
Jen: Um, But, I think there’s a really big difference between networking events and networking, and I think there are a lot of other options that are more palatable and more honest, more enjoyable, and involves sitting. More sitting. Haele: Laughs. Okay, Great. Jen: Okay. So, there are lots and lots of things that you can do. Let’s just start with social media. You know, you’re sitting at your desk, you’re probably doing it already, you’re on your couch, your phone, whatever. Have you ever heard of like, reading a book? And then, like, you know tweeting an intelligent question at the person who wrote it. You know like, that’s a great way to start networking. I would say compliments in general are a great way to network. It doesn’t have to be authors, it doesn’t have to be famous people, it can be people who wrote articles, people who wrote blog posts, just people who you saw speak at an event. Tweeting compliments and questions at people is a great idea. And of course you know people enjoy when you promote their things for them, or you tweet just about them and don’t even demand anything—you know you post on LinkedIn that you really enjoyed their book or something like that. All of that is networking. If you can, rather than just kind of cheerleading in the background, if you can you actually engage in some kind of one-on-one interaction with the person, and you know I really enjoyed your article, I have a question, would you mind if i quoted your article in my article, or, do you ever speak at an event in Chicago? Any of those kinds of things where you have a little bit of a one-on-one interaction, I mean frankly the person is more likely to remember that than they are to remember shaking hands with you at an event where they shook hands with 20 other people. So, all of those things count. And I mean that’s stuff you can do with no pants.
Julia: Stuff you can do with no pants is really speaking to me. Haele: I thought it might. Okay, so then, there’s ways to actually host your own networking event in a totally not awful way.
Jen: You know another thing I think is really underrated as a networking possibility is hosting your own event and I’m saying this from the perspective of somebody who’s probably not a social butterfly and doesn’t want to put on a party. My friend Jennifer Wright has been running an article club for a couple of years, and an article club is exactly what it sounds like: It’s like a book club but you read articles and often times the articles are things that are related to business or related to you know, generally like articles about feminism in the Atlantic, that kind of thing. And you know, that’s the kind of thing where I go to Jennifer’s apartment and maybe 10 people are sitting around her couch and there are mini cupcakes and there’s wine and we talk about articles in the Atlantic. You know? And that is so much more palatable to me, because there’s sitting, right? There’s people that I already know. No one shakes hands that would be weird, and it’s a great time.
Julia: Why aren’t we part of one of these? Haele: We’d have to put pants on. Julia: Fair point.
Jen: Hosting your own event can be a fantastic to way to network and honestly if what you host is a brunch at a restaurant, uh how many people do you need to have a good brunch? Like, three? You know? Five? that’s a great number. That’s all you have to do.
You know, if you are a big introvert, you really just need like one or two extroverts in your life that you invite to these things. You like, kind of send them an email every now and then. There are some people who live to send introductions to people and hook everybody up—that’s their thing. And, if that’s not you, you don’t have to make that you, but you want to just know a few of those people. If you invite somebody like that to your brunch or your article club, they’re probably going to show up late and leave early cause they have a lot of other events, and that’s okay—we can all be different. Laughs. Uh, you know, that your introverted friends and co-workers are going to have a long, leisurely brunch discussion about, you know, whatever the topic is, and your extroverts friends or colleagues are gonna pop in but then they’re gonna hit you later with emails with 100 contacts or something like that, and it takes all kinds.
Haele: I think that what Jen also makes clear is that something many of us hate about the idea of networking is interacting with strangers in this nebulous blech world of pitching ourselves to them. Julia: No, thank you.
Jen: Ughhhhh. The worst! The absolute worst. And you know, the elevator pitch thing. You know, I’m pretty good on my feet, if you ask me for an elevator pitch I’ll pull one out of my ass, you know, like sure. But I would much rather be in a room with people or sitting at brunch with people who already know who I am. Because they’ve read something that I wrote or they heard me on this podcast. Or we have been retweeting each other for years. And that’s really possible. You don’t have to be a famous person or a jackass. You know like, “Everybody knows my name before I walk into a room.” I think if you said that in 1995 you’re a jackass. or you’re just genuinely really famous. But in 2017 and beyond, that’s completely reasonable. And I just don’t think that the elevator pitch to strangers thing is as fundamental a piece of the mix as it would have been in 1995. Haele: The pathways between us have changed so in some ways, we’re way more reachable to each other. Jen: Absolutely. Haele: So, the idea here is that networking can look a ton of different ways, and it’s about finding the right one for you. Jen: Sure, you know I would say for anybody, network is something that should be somewhere on your calendar, and for some people that might be four conferences a year. For some people, that might be an hour a week on Twitter. So, you need to have, I would say, sit down and say “If I were going to add something to my calendar now that is networking, what would be realistic and what would I not hate?” So, if you’re gonna put like, “Yes! I’m gonna go to three networking events in the evening, in my town, in the winter, and I’m gonna shake hands.” If you hate yourself as you’re putting it in your calendar, then don’t put that in your calendar.
Julia: Okay, how would I decide what’s best for me? Haele: It depends.
Jen: You know, it’s a great question. I mean if I think a lot of times this really just varies based on where you live, what the environment is. When I lived—so I live in New York right now and when I go to something that’s called a networking event it’s often a party and dudes hit on you and they’re all are all women networking events which I like a lot more, but, there’s definitely more of a social life and work really blend together and that’s just a New York kind of thing. When I lived in Virginia, I used to run a web development company in Norfolk Virginia and networking events there were held in very well lit places at like 5pm and everyone was shaking hands and like exchanging business cards and you know sometimes dudes would still hit on your and like nevertheless…Laughs…there was a cheese plate and everyone left at 6:45 laughs it was really specifically more of a work event uh….wow that was a really evocative memory and I forgot what the question is quite frankly. Both laugh.
Jen: So anyways, people sometimes look at networking as something that you just should do just because it’s virtuous and it’s helpful to have a golden line. So if you’re in more of an unfocused part of your career, like you’re just kind of looking for new opportunities, you’re not sure what they’re going to be, then Ii would say you want to get out there and you want to probably want to go to events that have nothing to do with you and just try to meet a variety of people. If you’re looking to just build a sales pipeline, you don’t need to hide that. It’s perfectly acceptable to say to people you know you can hang out people and meet cool new friends and you can say “My ideal client is a real estate agent who is looking to put their listings online” or something like that. Just tell people that in a really direct way. Like, you’re not sneaking it in there.
Haele: Did you catch that? Jen just brought up a super interesting point about why you might hate networking. Julia: Because it’s pure misery? Haele: I mean yeah, but also for a reason you’re going to find super compelling: socialization.
Jen: Something that I’ve noticed over many years of you know what I have been doing in writing about careers and business and giving advice there’s just, I see a lot of—there’s something about being socialized female, I don’t know, but people who act sneaky about things that they don’t have to be sneaky about, like it’s a dirty secret that you’re selling something or that you have a business that you need customers for.
Julia: That is. . .so on point. We’re all told it’s gauche to talk about money, but especially marginalized people are told not to ask for what they want, not to take up space, etc. Of course networking feels gross—it’s a way of getting what you want, and we’re not supposed to. Haele: Totally. Julia: It’s like how when I was first starting out, I used to follow up on late invoices by starting with “Sorry.” Haele: It’s funny you should mention that. . .
Jen: In one case, I actually had someone I was working with at a publication and I had sent an invoice and the invoice was late and I said “Hey, can you check on up on this with accounting and make sure the invoice gets paid?” And she said “Oh, I went to the accounting office and like snuck the paper onto the top of the stack of papers.” You know? Like she was really doing me a solid by sneaking this piece of paper. And I’m like No! There’s no secret here! There’s nothing sneaky! Nobody’s doing anything wrong! Don’t act like you’re doing something wrong when you’re not doing something wrong. So it’s just behavior that I see a lot. And occasionally find myself doing something like that and I say “Cut it out,” you know like there’s nothing wrong with having a business and wanting customers who pay you money for value that you provide.
Haele: I mean, how can you not believe Jen? Networking actually isn’t the worst. Julia: Yeah, she makes a very compelling case and it doesn’t sound gross, I don’t know. She described things that sound like fun. Haele: Yeah, exactly. So do you believe me now? Julia: How much money did we put on this?
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Adda: So, as you’ve heard, interviewing for jobs is like dating. Networking is just about making friends. And just like dating and making friends it’s complicated and messy, but also exciting and fun.
And it’s okay to have lots of feelings about it. It’s okay to be nervous.
But try to think about every job interview like a 30 minute 1-on-1 mentoring session with a person currently working in the industry who has tons of knowledge. It’s an opportunity.
This way, even if you don’t get the job, you’ve networked and learned from them, which will make you better prepared for you next job interview.
The thing that I love most about working in tech is that it’s taught me to truly embrace the iterative nature of everything—we roll out new versions of our classes and website constantly, trying tiny tweaks here and big changes there to see what works best. Treat the job hunt—heck, treat your entire career—exactly the same way: something that you can test and refine until you find the perfect fit.
You always start small. Everyone always starts small.
Maybe you’re starting with no marketable skills. I honestly doubt that that’s true, but even if it were true, that’s totally okay! Start looking at jobs you’re interested in and use them as your guide for what to learn.
Maybe you go to a job interview and realize halfway through that you’re in no way qualified for the job. That’s totally okay, too!
Just make sure you leave the interview understanding what it would take to be qualified, and then use that information to make a game plan.
Maybe you don’t know a single person in the industry you want to go into. And guess what? That too is totally okay! Yes, you’ve got your networking work cut out for you, but as you’ve heard, it’s not as difficult as you probably thought.
We’re all one iterative work-in-progress. And don’t think about that like it means you’re not good enough. Think about it as keeping things fun. Trying new things and getting better is never boring. So go out there and start applying. You’ve totally got this.
Haele: We’re produced by me—Haele Wolfe—and Julia Sun-en-shine. We’re edited and our music is composed by Arlen Ginsburg. Our art is by Monalisa Kabos. Huge thanks to Amy Elisa Jackson from Glassdoor for walking us through the interview process—and you can get more of her critical tips at skillcrush.com/newjob. Jen Dzuira somehow convinced Julia that networking can be fun, and she has an amazing online store with patriarchy-smashing products over at shop.getbullish.com. I’m going to use the money I won off that networking bet to treat myself and to do some holiday shopping.
Shoutout to our whole crew at Skillcrush—especially to Laura and Libby who work so hard as career counselors to our students. We love you.
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from Web Developers World https://skillcrush.com/2017/12/13/how-to-land-a-job-podcast-interview-glassdoor/
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