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The Walking Dead Game What Ifs: What if Lee, Lilly, Duck, and Clem were the only survivors of the St Johns?

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What if Lee, Lilly, Duck, and Clem were the only survivors of the St Johns? Prompt Submitted by BetterThanBrainiac on AO3

Lee grunted as Danny knocked him down. Kenny burst out to tackle the cannibal, only for the other man to whirl around and shoot Kenny in the chest. Lee watched his friend gasp and fall back, before he could get up, Danny turned back to Lee, only for Lee to hit him below the belt. Quickly grabbing Danny’s gun, Lee cracked him over head with it. After making sure that the cannibal was out cold, Lee left the barn and ran into Ben and Carley.

“Lee, what’s going on?” Demanded Carley, “You and the others have been gone for too long.”

“They attacked us,” Said Lee, “Larry and Kenny are dead, and they cut Mark’s legs off and tried to feed them to us!”

“Jesus.” Muttered Carley, “What about the others?”

“Clementine’s with Lilly in the barn,” Answered Lee, “but they’ve got Duck and Katjaa.”

“Shit.” Muttered Carley, “I’ll go get Lilly and Clementine, Ben, go with Lee.”

Ben gave a shaky nod, as he and Lee started towards the house, they’d just reached the gate when they heard Carley let out a gasping scream. Lee spun around and saw Carley with the prongs of the pitchfork sticking out of her back. Without thinking, Lee rushed towards Danny, just as the cannibal wrenched the pitchfork out of Carley’s gut and drove it into her chest. By that point, Lee was level with him and tackled him. Lee spotted Lilly and Clementine, as well as Kenny slowly getting to his feet.

Growling, Lee hauled Danny up and shove him towards Kenny, with the Walker tearing a chunk out of Danny’s neck. Lee looked at Lilly and Clementine, “C’mon.”

Pausing when he reached Carley, Lee picked up her gun and looked up. He saw Ben struggling with Andy, the man keeping a grip on Duck. Ben was punched in the face and thrown onto the fence, Lee raised Carley’s gun and shot at Andy. Andy ducked and rushed over to the generator and turned it on, Ben’s dying screams piercing the night. Lee took aim again, only for Lilly to shoot Andy in the face.

Lilly looked angry, “Go get Katjaa.”

Lee nodded, rushing towards the house, only for a gunshot to emit from inside the house, with Brenda coming out with blood on her face. Levelling Carley’s gun, Lee shot Brenda in the chest. Hurrying forwards, Lee found Katjaa dead on the floor of the house. Sighing, Lee grabbed their weapons, as well as some of the St John’s supplies, and left.

Lee met up with Lilly, Clementine and Duck, “Let’s go.”

The group of four left the farm, as Walkers started to climb over the fence and into the fields.

WLF

They’d managed to get into the forest safely and gotten back to the motel, after explaining what happened to Kenny and Katjaa to Duck. Lee had noticed that there were tyre tracks in one part of the forest but decided to ignore it.

“Lee.” Lilly’s voice got his attention, “Got a minute?”

Sighing, Lee looked at Clementine and Duck and stepped out of the room.

“What—” Lilly slapped him, “Okay, I deserved that.”

Lilly glared at him, getting another sigh from Lee, “Anything else you want to do?”

Lilly, after a moment, sighed, “What do we do?”

“What do you mean?” Asked Lee, folding his arms.

“We’re not exactly in the best position to defend ourselves,” Said Lilly, “I, I know I’ve kept saying we’d stay here, but… we don’t have the numbers to protect ourselves or keep this place secure if we go on a supply run.”

Sighing, Lee looked around, “I think we should take our chances on the road; we can get stuff downtown when we pass through it. Hell, maybe we’ll find a working vehicle and get around in that.”

Lilly gave another sigh, “Where do we go?”

Lee sighed, “I don’t know.”

WLF

Lee managed to find a couple of backpacks in the motel, then they’d left. They were currently in a clothing store in Macon, Lilly was getting some warm clothes for them, with Lee keeping an eye out for Walkers.

“Right,” Lilly threw a bag at Lee, “I found that in the back, let’s get to the pharmacy.”

Lee nodded, watching out for the dead as they went. Making sure Duck and Clementine were close by, Lee and Lilly started gathering supplies. They’d just finished packing up when they heard screaming.

Lilly glanced at Lee, before he jerked his head to the side, the man signalling for them to leave. By the time they got around the front, the Walkers had gone towards the drugstore. Sighing, Lee started leading the others towards a road going out of Macon. They’d managed to stock up on some food, medicine and clothes, Lee managed to find a couple of guns and a set of hunting knives, which he’d given out to the group. Lilly walked ahead, making sure there weren’t any Walkers up in front of them, with Lee bringing up the rear. Giving Macon a final look, Lee sighed and silently bid goodbye to everyone they’d lost.

WLF

They’d been walking for about a week, Lee and Lilly took turns on watch. Clementine had her first Walker kill, Lee and Lilly had taken it upon themselves to teach the kids how to defend themselves. Lee used the knowledge he had from his brief time in the army to teach them how to use a knife properly.

“Lee.” Lilly got his attention, “Up ahead.”

Frowning, Lee looked in front of them and spotted a train blocking the road, “Huh.”

“Kind of glad we didn’t drive here.” Said Lilly, looking around, “Might be a good place to camp for the night.”

“Especially if we can get into the train car.” Said Lee, looking around, “C’mon, let’s see what’s here.”

They scouted the train out, Duck and Lilly looked around the perimeter, with Duck dealing with a Walker that was trapped in a car that had crashed against the train and finding a box of crackers. Lee and Clementine checked the cab, finding a dead body, Lee found that the body’s head was caved in. The two then went down to the boxcar and found an old man staring at them.

“Are you gonna kill me or steal?” Asked the man, making Lee lower his gun.

“Er… neither?” Lee glanced down at Clementine, “Clem, go get Lilly.”

“Okay.” Clementine left through the door, leaving Lee with the man.

“So,” Lee looked him up and down, “You got a name?”

The old man shrugged, “Chuck, Charles if ya fancy.”

“Okay… Chuck.” Lee nodded, “I’m going to talk to my group, don’t… don’t go anywhere.”

Chuck shrugged as Lee left, before looking through his things.

Lee winced as the light hit him, before he walked over to Lilly, “Clementine told you about the guy?”

Lilly nodded, “What’s he like?”

“You could ask me yourself.” Said Chuck, making Lee turn around, “Since you’re stomping around my home.”

WLF

Lee silently watched the road and tracks for Walkers, Chuck let them stay, even gave the kids some candy. Duck had been left in the cab and had pressed a flashing button, which led to them discovering that the train still worked. They had decided to work on it in the morning, Lee volunteered for first watch. It’d been just over a week since the farm, just over a week since Duck lost his parents, since Larry, Mark, Ben and Carley were killed. He should’ve gone with Carley, he should’ve killed Danny before the left the barn.

“Penny?” Asked Lilly, joining Lee on top of the boxcar.

“Thinking about the dairy.” Said Lee, quietly, “The people we’ve lost.”

Lilly sighed, “How’d you decide?”

“Decide what?”

“Decide to help Kenny.” Clarified Lilly, “I knew about your past, about that senator. I want to know how you decided to help kill my dad.”

Lee sighed, “I didn’t want to take the risk, sure, we could’ve saved him, but he wouldn’t have survived much longer. The cannibals would’ve triggered another heart attack, or the stress of walking through the Walkers or even the walk back to the motel.”

“You couldn’t’ve known that.”

“Maybe, but in my place, with Clem and not knowing your dad well, what would you have done?” Asked Lee, looking at Lilly, “I get not getting to say goodbye, I didn’t get to say goodbye to my parents or my brother. The closest I got was putting Bud down. I would give everything to not go through that pain again.”

“Is that why you left Carley?” Asked Lilly, making Lee bow his head.

“I didn’t realise how much she meant to me,” Confessed Lee, “until that bastard shoved a pitchfork into her.”

They were silent for a moment, then Lilly spoke, “I wouldn’t.”

“Wouldn’t what?” Asked Lee, glancing a Lilly.

“I wouldn’t be able to put my dad down.” Answered Lilly, “And… I probably would’ve done the same as you.”

Lee let out a sigh, “Clementine’s parents are dead.”

“What?” Lilly looked at him.

“Clementine’s parents are dead,” Repeated Lee, “her dad got bit on the first day and her mom was with him. They left voice messages for Clem and her babysitter.”

“What happened to the babysitter?” Asked Lilly, getting a sigh from Lee.

“She got bit.” Answered Lee, looking in the distance. The pair sat on the roof of the boxcar in silence for the rest of the night.

WLF

They got the train and boxcar free from the rest of the cars, Clementine had a piece of chalk and managed to make the instructions for how to start it visible. From there, it was just a matter of knocking things about and twisting and flipping the switches and knobs. Lee and Lilly were taking turns to drive, not wanting each other to risk falling asleep at the controls. Lilly continued with the lessons with the kids, Chuck suggested cutting Clementine’s hair, which Lilly had done, before cutting her own.

Lee took over teaching the kids while Lilly drove, setting up a plan for when they got to Savannah, Lee promising Clementine that they’d look for her parents. Then the train came to a stop. Frowning, Lee poked his head out the side of the boxcar, and saw the tanker blocking the tracks, “Great.”

Hopping out of the car, Lee walked towards the front of the train with Lilly joining him.

“I don’t suppose you have a saw on you?” Asked Lilly, after a moment.

“No.” Sighed Lee, “I saw one, but I didn’t pick it up.”

After that, Lee had got up to a ladder and climbed to the top of the bridge. He met a couple up there, Omid and Christa. The two went down and introduced themselves to the group, while Lee and Clementine went to a nearby station to see if they could find anything that’ll cut the tanker down. They’d managed to get in and deal with the Walkers, Lee had struggled with one, prompting Clementine to kick the Walkers leg, sending it to the ground and allowing Clementine to easily stab it in the head.

Lee spotted a blowtorch and boosted Clementine into the cage to get the keys, which, of course, were in the cage. There was another Walker in the cage, that Lee dispatched with his gun. He and Clementine were just leaving with the blowtorch when Christa ran up to them.

“I heard a gunshot.” Said Christa, in way of a question.

“Had to deal with some Walkers.” Said Lee, looking at Christa, “We’re fine.”

Christa looked doubtful, before turning away with the three walking back to the train. Lilly had Chuck keeping watch on top of the boxcar, while she took Duck and Clementine into the cab. Lee took Omid and started cutting the coupling of the tanker, when Chuck alerted them to a massive herd of Walkers. As soon as the coupling had been cut, Lilly started the train, yelling at Lee and Omid to jump onto the roof. Lee kicked the still ignited blow torch down, before running to the other side of the bridge with Omid. The two braced themselves, before jumping onto the boxcar, Lee landed safely, but Omid hit his shoulder and rolled off the roof, injuring his leg when he hit the ground.

Lee swung down into the boxcar, as Christa jumped out and helped Omid up. The two ran alongside the train, with Lee grabbing Omid and hauling him in. Omid started to get angry with Lee, only for the man to reach out and haul Christa into the boxcar as well. Lee gave the two a look, before walking up to the cab.

WLF

Lee sighed as he watched Clementine and Duck sleep. They’d been travelling for a little while now, leaving the Walkers and the tanker behind.

“So, what do we do when we get to Savannah?” Asked Lilly, leaning away from the controls, “I mean, aside from keeping the kids safe.”

Lee looked at Lilly, “Clementine mentioned that her parents stayed at a place called The Marsh House, we could head for there and then plan our next move.”

Lilly opened her mouth to respond, when music started playing from Clementine’s radio. Frowning, Lee picked up the radio, just as the music cut out.

“I… I thought that was broken.” Said Lilly, looking at Lee.

“So did I.” Responded Lee, looking down at the radio.

WLF

Lee was glad that they were heading towards the Marsh House, instead of braving the streets. Omid was limping behind them, while Lee and Lilly were keeping an eye on Duck and Clementine.

“See anything, Clem?” Asked Lee, as the girl frowned.

“There.” Clementine pointed at a sign that read ‘Marsh House’ with an arrow pointing upwards.

“Not much further.” Said Lee, as they rounded the corner. There were a few Walkers, but Lee noticed Clementine freezing, “Clem?”

Following Clementine’s gaze, Lee’s eye settled on a pair of Walkers, “Oh, man.”

“Those are…” Lilly trailed off, getting a short nod from Lee, “Clementine. Clem, look at me.” Clementine looked up at Lilly, “I know you’re upset, but I need you to focus, okay?” Clementine gave her a shaky nod, “Good.”

They quickly guided their small group into the hotel, with Lee blocking the doors with a couple of chairs. Sighing, Lee turned around, finding Christa had gone off to search the place, while Lilly talked to the kids.

“I’ll be back soon.” Said Lee, taking out his gun and walking into the halls of the hotel.

WLF

After a couple of hours, Lee and Christa returned to the lobby, having not finding any Walkers in the hotel. Lee checked behind the reception desk and grabbing a set of keys, within the hour, everyone had claimed a room, with Lee and Lilly quietly sitting in a room, watching the Walkers mulling around outside, while sharing a bottle of whiskey.

“So,” Lilly looked at Lee, “what’s the plan now? I mean, Clem’s found her parents and we’re at a hotel…”

“I have no idea.” Confessed Lee, as Lilly took a swig of the whiskey. Lee gave her a shrug and wandered over to the bed, with Lilly following and holding the bottle out to him.

Dropping onto the mattress, Lee took a swig from the bottle.

“It is nice that we don’t have to worry about someone keeping guard over the place.” Said Lilly, swaying close to Lee.

Lee hummed, before looking at Lilly. The pair stared at each other, then, in a moment of drunken impulse, they both leaned towards each other and kissed, before they both fell onto the bed.

WLF

Lee frowned as he and Christa walked along side the river. They’d been out on a supply run, ducking into stores and houses, looking for food and medicine. Lee and Lilly had woken up together, their clothes scattered around the room and themselves entwined with each other. They hadn’t talked about it, they’d just gotten dressed in silence and went about the tasks they had.

He didn’t know what he’d call what he and Lilly had. He knew that he had feelings for Carley, part of him wondered if he was using Lilly as a rebound, but another part of him dismissed that. Sighing, Lee looked across the water.

“That’s the seventh time you’ve sighed in five minutes.” Said Christa, getting Lee’s attention, “What’s on your mind.”

Deciding to throw caution to the wind, Lee spoke, “Lilly and I slept together.”

Christa paused, before frowning, “Okay…”

“And you know about… how we ended up on the road.” Said Lee, getting a sigh from Christa.

“I know that you and some other guy killed her Dad after he had a heart attack.” Responded Christa, “I can see how that would make things awkward.”

Lee nodded, just as they rounded a corner and came face to face with a blonde girl working on an RV, “Er… hello?”

WLF

Lilly frowned as Chuck checked on Omid, while Duck looked up at her. Omid’s condition had started to get worse after Lee and Christa went on the supply run, then Duck told her that Clementine had snuck off somewhere.

Part of her was angry, some of it because Lee helped kill her dad, the rest of it because Lee left without saying anything. Another part of her was happy to feel something other than loss, and a third part wondered how they’ll move forward from this. She and Lee had to look after Duck and Clementine, they’d only known Chuck a few days and Omid and Christa even less. Sure, they’d proven that they could be trusted, but they had practically nothing. They had a couple of rifles and some handguns, plus the knives that Lee found, and their meagre supplies were almost used up.

Sighing, Lilly looked towards the stairway door, just as Clementine and Christa appeared, with a blonde woman, “What the hell? Who the hell is this?”

“Her name’s Molly.” Said Christa, glancing back at her, “Lee and I stumbled across her while we were out getting supplies. Found her working on an RV.”

Lilly frowned, before looking behind them, “Where’s Lee?”

“We got ambushed by Walkers,” Said Christa, “the rest of us got to higher ground, but Lee had to go through the sewers.”

“Molly gave Lee her icepick.” Said Clementine, getting Lilly’s attention, wilting slightly when the woman looked at her.

“Clem,” Lilly crouched down, “what were you thinking? We don’t know how dangerous the streets are.”

“She’s actually the reason I didn’t kill your friends.” Said Molly, “Crawford doesn’t allow children.”

Lilly gave Molly a blank look.

“Crawford’s a community, apparently,” Supplied Christa, “they’re not big fans of children, the elderly, or anyone with a medical condition.”

Lilly frowned, before sighing, “Right, Chuck’s looking at Omid, other than that, nothing’s changed.”

Christa nodded, stepping past Lilly to see Omid. Molly looked around, “You know, I don’t think Crawford’s raided this place yet.”

WLF

Lee silently sighed as he and Vernon walked into the Marsh House. He paused at the number of dead Walkers lying in the lobby, “That’s… not good.” Lee looked at Vernon, “You might want to—”

Chuck suddenly appeared, heaving a Walker out of a door and dropping it on the pile, before he spotted Lee, “Oh, you’re back. That’s good, Lilly and the others are cleaning out some Walkers in the kitchen.”

Lee nodded and strode past Chuck, leaving the two old men behind. Lee drew his knife and went into the kitchen, stopped when he saw Lilly beating a Walker over the head with a frying pan, with Molly using a cleaver to put down the Walkers. Clementine and Duck were watching them take out the Walkers.

“I… guess things are under control.” Said Lee, as they dealt with the last Walker.

Lilly looked over at Lee, “Yeah, turns out we’ve got a lot of food.”

WLF

Vernon had taken a look at Omid, while Lee and Lilly talked. He told them that Omid needed medicine, and the only place they could get it was in Crawford. So, they’d decided that Lee and Christa would go to Crawford, with Molly and Vernon showing them the way. Chuck, having found out that he was a doctor, was going to stay at the hotel with Lilly and the kids watching over Omid. Molly said her RV needed a battery and gas, which Lee was going to help her get.

After seeing them off, Lilly went and checked on the kids, they’d been given the task of putting down some of the smaller Walkers, ones that didn’t have full bodies, and she found them covered in Walker guts. With a full Walker standing near them motionless, until Lilly walked in, when it turned and started limping towards her. Sooner than she’d’ve liked, Lilly found herself grappling with a Walker, before it suddenly fell to the floor and Clementine and Duck drove their knives into its head.

“What,” Gasped Lilly, “the hell happened?”

“Walkers can’t see us if we’re covered in them!” Grinned Duck, “And Clem and me kicked it’s legs making it fall!”

Lilly sighed, “C’mon, let’s get you two cleaned up.”

“I’d like that.” Said Clementine, “I smell gross.”

WLF

Lee and the others got back a few hours later, with Lilly filling them in about the kids’ discoveries. Christa had gone straight to Omid with the medicine and Lilly going with Molly to the RV, watching her back as she fitted the parts.

“How much longer until it’s ready?” Asked Lilly, looking at Molly.

“We just need to fill her up,” Said Molly, “and you can drive us outta here no problem.”

Lilly frowned, “Why am I driving?”

Molly suddenly looked embarrassed mumbled, “I don’t know how.”

Lilly blinked, before closing her eyes and sighing, “Just… just fill it up.”

There was a click behind Lilly, making her slowly turn around, coming face to face with Vernon and his group, “What?”

“This isn’t anything personal,” Said Vernon, pointing a gun at Lilly, “but we’ll be taking that RV.”

Lilly looked around the small group, finding that Vernon was the only one armed. Glaring at them, Lilly said, “No.” And pulled the trigger of her rifle, hitting Vernon in the gut, before pulling out her handgun and shooting the others. Lilly felt a pang of regret, only to get shoved by Molly as Vernon fired at her. Molly let out a cry, crumpling to the ground, while Lilly killed Vernon.

Rushing over, Lilly grabbed Molly and lifted her into the RV, before she searched the bodies of Vernon’s group and took what supplies and weapons they had and finished filling up the RV. The RV pulled up in front of the hotel, with Lee guiding the others out towards it.

“Christa, you’re driving.” Ordered Lilly, rushing up to Lee and Chuck, “Vernon’s group tried to jump us, Molly’s been shot.”

Thankfully, the RV was rather spacious, allowing Lee to put the kids and Omid a decent distance away from where Chuck was working on Molly. They watched as Chuck examined Molly’s injury, hoping the girl would be okay.

WLF

Molly bled out in the back of the RV. Vernon’s bullet had knicked an artery and lodged itself in her spine. Lee stabbed the back of Molly’s head to prevent her from reanimating, before Christa pulled over and they laid Molly to rest. Lilly didn’t say it, but it felt like they were laying the other members of their group to rest as well.

Lilly looked up at Lee from where her head was resting on his shoulder, before sighing and deciding to get some sleep. Omid was asleep while Clementine and Duck played a game, with Chuck joining Christa up front. Lee glanced down at Lilly, before looking around at the group, before finally settling on the massive stain of Molly’s blood. Closing his eyes, Lee decided to get some sleep, he’d need it if he was going to drive.

Next Story: What if Clem found out AJ was at McCarroll Ranch before she met Javi?

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stop-breaking-my-heart-telltale · 8 months ago

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favourite twdg villain?

I'm a fond enjoyer of the St. John's as villains. I don't know if they're my favorite just because they're only in one episode, but I love the concept of this family almost immediately jumping into cannibalism toward the start of the outbreak, dealing in human flesh to bandits, and casually feeding this group their friend's legs.

Like... what the hell was this family like before the outbreak that all three of them were like, "Hey now listen... nothing should go to waste, the dead are eating people so why shouldn't we? We gotta survive and in our defense, we only target those who were gonna die anyway... like y'all."

Dude, Mark was shot in this shoulder with an arrow. He wasn't going to die from that injury. It's so fucked that these seemingly friendly people took the group into their home and then fed them Mark's legs.

If we take the idea that everyone is infected and have the capacity within themselves to become walkers, to become monsters, then the St. John's were infected long before the outbreak, y'know? Not literally, but something was wrong with them and the outbreak just further spread that infection and changed them.

But again, are they my favorite? I dunno if I can say that since I have a lot more appreciation for Lily now. Yeah, some of her writing gets a little wonky in ep3 of TFS when she goes on her monologues and shit, but y'know what? I'm into it.

You have to remember who we're talking about and the fact that she's the antagonist; Lily isn't some anti-hero in TFS who secretly has a heart of gold that's brought to light because she reunited with Clementine... she's a fucked up woman who did fucked up things in the name of survival. She's full of rot now. She sees kidnapping children and turning them into soldiers to protect her home as a means to an end, but she doesn't actually give a shit about the people she's taking. They aren't people to her, they're as the episode title suggests, toys in her game. The only one she sees as a person is Clementine, and while that makes her hesitate at first, she sees Clementine's a prize to bring back.

She remembers what happened in S1; her father had a heart attack and as she tried to save him, Kenny smashed his face in with a saltlick and then expected Lily to just stand up and help him get back to his family because "he did what he had to, he made the hard choice." Yes, Larry was a piece of shit. No one liked him, and you can even question Lily on him and she'll tell you that he has a lot of pain. Yes, it makes him an asshole, but he's still her dad and he's all she has. I mean... the simplification is daddy issues, but in all seriousness, I don't doubt for a second that many of Lily's issues stem from Larry being a shitty father to her.

Then everyone thought she was losing it when she insisted there was a traitor in the group, which she was right about, but she was unstable. She was unwell, but how do you help someone like that when you don't have training to go about it? Then Lily ends up killing either Carley or Doug and the group turns on her, and either she's left behind or she steals the van and runs away.

Then we don't know what the hell happened to her until we see her again in TFS, but like... a lone woman with decay festering inside of her joining the delta? Exposing her to their methods? I mean, what else did she have to lose? She had nothing, she lost everything, and she has a lot of issues. Survival is easy when you're numb, when you don't care about the individual; they're all just cogs churning to make the system run, and if a piece doesn't cooperate, you get rid of it and find a new one.

Plus I think there's something to say about Lily not wanting to be perceived as weak again. That whole display she put on in the cells? Telling the story of what happened to Minerva and Sophie? I get the criticism that it feels like Lily did a 180 between episodes but like... yeah dude, because it's a performance. It's not just her and Clementine anymore. It's a display of power and authority. She's playing the part and thriving in it as she ensures everyone else is terrified of her.

But then when Clementine and AJ get the upper hand? Again, she's not afraid to play up the pleading to earn enough sympathy to spare her- hell, just to let their guard down enough to strike and get the upper hand again. I mean, she's got nothing else to lose, right? If she doesn't go for it, she'll be killed and sure, you can kill her anyway but at least she tried.

Honestly, I look at Lily in TFS and still see that scared little girl playing the tough bitch, just like Carley said in S1. It's just now escalated from "tough bitch" to a downright vile person. She's so... lost? I suppose? Lost within herself and the monstrous means she's taken to survive.

I get the criticisms of how she was used in TFS, but for me, it's like when people complain about Minerva not getting the redemption arc she supposedly should've gotten, y'know? There's no saving her. Lily was never on our side, and there was no getting her on our side. She wasn't ever going to redeem herself. Even if you spare her and she drifts away on her raft, can someone like her actually find redemption? Or will she just find another group that'll feed into her rot?

Truly, I say let her be horrid. Let her be the piece of shit villain with a few fleeting moments of humanity. Let her drown in the blood she's spilled.

#asks #twdg lily #twdg andy st john #twdg danny st john #twdg brenda st john #twdg clementine #twdg minerva #twdg mark #twdg larry #twdg kenny #i know i used to complain about lily in tfs a lot years ago but past cj complained about everything tbh sksksks #now i'm just like babe lily's interesting as shit like not every villain needs a redemption arc just because you think they're hot #and don't wanna feel bad or because you want her to be like she was in s1 when she was sympathetic like... it's been years #that's like being mad that clementine isn't the same person as she was in s1... the difference is we got to see clementine grow #but what happened to lily is a mystery... but that doesn't mean she didn't change especially for the worst #i dunno sometimes i look at lady antagonists in media and then look at people's reactions and i'm like.......... hmmmm #c'mon now- if kenny came back in tfs the same exact way then y'all would be foaming at the mouth insisting he's complex #and morally grey and he's just really sad about his family dying and really he's a sad widdle meow meow but also the best villain #who should be spared because he always cared about clementine and aj and he's just traumatized and sad and amazing unlike OTHERS #like.................... okay sure mmhmmmm #side note but the worst thing about kenny is the fact that he IS a brilliantly written character but his stans tend to just be the worst #anyway i like lily she's a great tfs antagonist like i recognize there are some weak spots and i wish she has more of a presence in ep4 #if she lived but y'know... gotta make room for minerva being the final bridge boss so... yeah

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