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xoxomyseriesxoxo · 2 years ago

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Hello!

Sorry to bother you, but you seem to be one of the more informed Bleach fans.

So the thing is, since Bleach started airing its new anime, my Twitter feed has over-filled with it (apparently liking any manga/anime equals liking Bleach...) and the waves of IH fans, who seem to enjoy it exclusively through bashing IR. I know my first mistake is having Twitter, but the author of the absolutely fantastic manga I'm into is posting extra material there, so I'm ready to bear the consequences XD

Tbh, I've never finished reading Bleach. I think I made it to Fullbringer arc, but at that point, I've finally realized that I can just stop reading something that doesn't bring me enjoyment and for a while at that.

I did ship IR back then (for obvious reasons), but I have long since moved past Bleach to better pastures, though I still love the aesthetic. (And Rukia, I probably would've finished Bleach if it was at least 30% more Rukia, no Ichigo necessary XD)

But recently, I've encountered the post that discussed how Kubo himself didn't like the old anime. I remember fandom drama being large enough that it affected him, though I know no specifics as I've always inhabited the peripheral areas of the fandom.

So my question is, is there like a big meta post, following the evolution of Kubo's relationship with his work or just some large meta posts analyzing the events of those times? I definitely don't want to dive deep back into the fandom, but I've always enjoyed reading those large meta analyses.

Again, only if that won't be too bothersome for you, you just have a lot of interesting posts yourself, so I thought you may know something like this or point me in the right direction.

Have a good day!

Hi! To be honest, I kind of feel like a dinosaur in the fandom now... I've started reading it as a kid and joined the fandom when I was in middle school and now I'm in college with a part job but to sum it up, I've seen most of the drama of the fandom back then.

The thing is that the dudebros on Twitter who act like they know everything about B/each and what was going on in the fandom back then fail to realize the fandom was made of an overwhelming majority of IR shippers (and for good reasons) or just neutrals (who didn't really ship anything in particular) but understood IR's appeal.

But lmao, not the dudebros and these stans making up things to feed their own lies AGAIN when no, K/ubo didn’t have issues with the old anime, it was rather the “fan” who asked the question who was bitter about it from the way they asked their question. He supervied it and he even gave positive feedback, including this tweet about ep.342 (which features filler stuff made by the studio) where he said the episode was really pretty (he had also reacted to IR trending worldwide on Twitter back then while the anime episode aired).

K/ubo also said he was very involved in the anime in an interview in 2006, including the filler arcs for example with the character designs of the zanpakutos later on in the anime etc.

K/ubo also did say concerning that the H/ellverse and D/iamond D/ust R/ebellion movies aren’t canon (which makes sense, especially for H/ellverse after that recent Hell oneshot) but rather parallels to the canon story while Fade To Black IS canon (and the movie was promoted as “a movie you should go watch with your S/O" lol) so it tells you how invested he was in the old animated series. There is a whole thread on Twitter showing you K/ubo appreciated the anime, musical and live action adaptations and how IR were portrayed there if you want to check it.

Also, the “omg IR shippers are bullies and bad people!!!!” narrative which includes these accusations about IR shippers making K/ubo run off Twitter is FALSE (it happened 6-7 years ago), he deleted his account because a p*rnstar was impersonating as him there. SJ and him took legal action and that led to him deleting his account (he made a new account a while after), so it was not due to IR shippers and fandom drama as those people claim.

Apart from that, the manga’s cancellation official announcement from SJ was sudden which explains how rushed the ending was (well, at least the part where it doesn’t answer to many questions aka if U/rahara, G/rimmjow, N/el, Y/oruichi, I/sshin, R/yuuken were alive and some of the plot holes) but the fact it was that bad was K/ubo being petty and doing that out of spite because SJ cancelled the manga. I don’t know if you can say it’s a meta about his “relationship with his work” exactly but rather how his writing went downhill because he lost the plot of his own story: you can read this pretty interesting post (this blog has pretty interesting B/each analysis posts, including this one about the ending itself). B/each’s sales started to dip at one point but it got really bad at L/ost A/gent arc and and it got worse and worse after that because he spent way too long on unimportant plots and fights (the way we all way too many chapters with that fight of his favorite character against a giant hand...) while dropping important subplots/character arcs that had pontential such as K/arin becoming a s/hinigami (which was heavily hinted in the L/ost A/gent arc and which probably explains the fillers focused on her and H/itsugaya) or R/angiku having a piece of the S/OUL K/ING in her soul before A/izen stole it from her. He also got physically sick and tired of writing this story but SJ had initially given him enough time to end the story and what did he do? Waste time until SJ had had enough and made the cancellation announcement. You have a summary of that whole mess in this post.

The post-ending claims (from K/ubo himself and from those stans) about K/ubo planning the manga’s ending since the start (chapter 1) are also false.

K/ubo is great at characters design btw (though he had the same face syndrom at one point in TYBW when drawing his characters... especially when he was drawing T/oshiro in his bankai form) but as for the storytelling, he was only good if you stop at SS, after that... Well, we know how it went. It doesn't mean we didn't get good things from the following after that tho, it just means that things gradually started to go wrong until it became too much.

I hope this answer helps you to understand the situation better. Have a good day as well!

#answered #hidinginthebog #anti bleach ending #anti bleach fandom #those fans are so loud rn but lol let's not forget THAT poll from 2007 aka when the manga was at its peak 👀#also his changing answer about live action is funny but that shows how he can change his version on some stuff #b/each twt was a mistake bc the things i see there... that's why i don't interact with the fandom there #also v/iz post their own agenda with mistranslations etc. lol

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jellyribbons · 1 year ago

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So this somehow ended up in the ichiruki tag despite the anti tag and I was going to ignore this but its one thing to not ship a couple and another to spread blatant misinformation or half truths. Whether it’s because you’re just regurgitating things you’ve heard/been told or you truly believe you are right I’m not sure but based on your reblogs, you are clearly someone who either ships ichihime or simply favours them and are repeating their favourite talking points. This is not an attack on you but rather a criticism of that fandom and their constant need to spread misinformation so I’m going to address each of your points that are partly incorrect or just completely incorrect.

I KNEW ichigo would end up with orihime, because kubo made it obvious.

Just wanted to point out that ichihime translators were NOTORIOUS for purposely mistranslating the manga to further their agenda .

with the actual translation being

R:そのままでいいのよ R: You’re fine just as you are right now. R: 。。。あんたも朽木も R: …You and Kuchiki R: 一護はまだ一人で立てないガキだから R: Ichigo is still a kid and can’t stand alone, so R: 今のあの子にはあんたも朽木も必要なの R: Right now, that child needs both you and Kuchiki. R: 妬いて何がカッコ悪いの R: What’s so bad about jealousy?

This is the most egregious but there are more that downplays ichiruki’s relationship. I’m not going to comment more because everyone has a different interpretation and honestly we can argue till we’re blue in the face and neither of us will change opinions. Moving on to the misinformation:

“The anime cut a lot of canon ichihime moments and included tons of filler ichiruki moments, so its no wonder why so many people believed at first ichiruki was a thing.”

I agree it did cut out canon ichihime moments but guess what it also cut significant ichiruki moments including when Ichigo activated his fullbring thinking of Rukia, significant amounts of scenes from memories in the rain, cut out part of farewell swords. These are just to name a few. I only included ones that I think are particularly meaningful to their relationship but there are other little interactions that were cut, particularly early on in the first arc including everyone at school thinking they were dating.

Furthermore, Kubo has repeatedly talked about how he liked the ichiruki fillers the anime added.

Even ep 342 which people like to call out for being almost completely ichiruki filler was one that Kubo praised.

Unlike the first two movies where he only designed the characters and Hell Verse where he actually demanded his name to be removed from the credit, Kubo was involved in Fade to Black from beginning to end.

There are more instances where Kubo praises the bleach musicals and the bleach live action, both of which are heavily ichiruki centric. In particular the live action has Renji saying Ichigo and rukia are “emotionally involved” and that he killed her boyfriend. Based on interviews we know that Kubo told the staff "don't change the characters' relationship". Director Sato Shinsuke confirmed that Kubo checked the script beforehand and approved it.

Finally when asked, Kubo did not see the anime pushing ichiruki. This entire narrative that the anime pushed ichiruki and that Kubo hated ichiruki fillers has no basis and digging even a little deeper completely rebukes them.

And to be fair to kubo, he made clear statements back then about ichigos and rukias relationship being pure platonic YEARS BEFORE the manga ended, but the shippers ignored that and played victim afterwards.

This is also untrue. The common translation of the fade to black interview where Kubo talks about their relationship is "More than friends, less than lovers" however this is in fact a watered down version of what he actually says.

友情とも違うし、恋愛感情でもないんですよね?、2人の関係は

“To say it is friendship is wrong, but to say it’s romantic / dating relationship is also not quite right don’t you think? Regarding these two.” He then proceeds to say this about fade to black:

Question: What bits do you want everyone to focus on? Kubo: “The relationship between Ichigo and Rukia. Their change in their own feelings

In another interview when asked

SJ: Do you have any plans to make Ichigo and Rukia a couple? Kubo: I'm not going to confirm nor deny that. [laughs]

These are both responses in interviews from back in 2008. Nowhere does Kubo say their relationship is pure platonic nor does he indicate that he will never write them in a romantic relationship. In fact he leaves it very much in the air and depending on who you talk to, it sounds like there is a very real potential that he was indeed going to go down that route. One of the key visuals in the guidebook of FtB has Ichigo calling out to Rukia, calling her his soulmate. I also can't find it anymore but I also remember him telling people to bring their partners to watch fade to black as well.

The best part was how not that long ago he completly destroyed an hardcore ichiruki shipper on social media who attacked him and insultet ichihime and kubo was just like: “you know what? FUCK YOU! From now on I will make even more ichihime content just to piss you off even more asshole!”

I honestly don't know or remember who that person was, they could've been an ichiruki shipper, they could’ve been a general reader. You seem to forget that Orihime was a polarizing character among general readers as well and barely placed in the top 10 in character polls. Regardless he did not say anything like that what he said was

“To Orihime fans and readers who nonchalantly enjoy BLEACH that unfortunately saw the abusive language when I retweeted it: I apologize. However, there is zero possibility that I'll change the way I draw to suit others, so please don't worry about it.”

And he also told the anti’s that if they have the talent they should draw something themselves. And nowhere can I find him ever saying that he would draw more ichihime.

He simply gives a fuck what people think and just does his thing no matter if people like it or not.

Pretty much the only accurate thing you’ve said. He’s always had a reputation of being a major troll but I wonder how he felt when his decision got Bleach categorized as a gag manga.

At the end of the day, he’ll do what he wants and the ending is the same but this collective amnesia and rewriting of bleach fandom history is absolutely ridiculous.

Isn't all of the rabid BKDK shippers similar to that one pairing in Bleach where the loud shippers want one pairing and the Editors suggest that the Bleach's author should do it, but he explicitly stated that he wanted this pairing instead because its his story? At best, the official canon ship for Izuku would be Izuchaco or implied of it or no ships at all.

At least Hori agrees with us that the BKDK relationship is abusive and that the two would be treating each other as acquaintances who just happen to grow up together. And the thing is for that BKDK contest, he acknowledges the skills of the artists but the relationship is not romantic at all. So it's really just people being extremely obsessed with the idea that any and all relationships should be romantic instead of platonic. I wonder if he was expecting a badass action scenes between the two working together instead of causal romantic times?

Do you happen to have a citation for the contest so that we can point towards the fact that BKDK is just for fun, not canon?

I remember I saw horis reply somewhere on twitter between 2 or 3 years ago. But I dont have twitter, well X know, anymore. Honestly, I dont quite remember if it was a bkdk fanart contest or just an exhibition. And I think it was only japanese artists. But basically, while he praised all the fanarts and the talents of the artists, he made clear that the way bakugous and izukus relationship is portaied as in these fanworks is not what their relationship is really or ever was like. There were tons of romantic bkdk and fanart of them as children playing happily with each other. He basically confirmed as unbiased as possible that this kind of interpretation of their relationship is completly fanon. Maybe someone who reads this can give us a link though, I tried to find it with google, but google only showed me reddit and quora posts about "why bkdk is canon" and such stupid stuff. 🙄

And yes you are right, the bkdk shippers are VERY similar to the rapid ichiruki shippers back then. Mind you I WAS THERE when the shipping war between ichirukis and ichihimes was at its highest and believe me it was UGLY and for me who never shipped ichigo with either rukia or orihime it kinda destroyed the manga/anime for me back then and its one of the main reasons why I dont like shipping in generell anymore. But despite never shipping it myself I KNEW ichigo would end up with orihime, because kubo made it obvious. The anime cut a lot of canon ichihime moments and included tons of filler ichiruki moments, so its no wonder why so many people believed at first ichiruki was a thing. And to be fair to kubo, he made clear statements back then about ichigos and rukias relationship being pure platonic YEARS BEFORE the manga ended, but the shippers ignored that and played victim afterwards. Hori on the other hand would never make this kind of bold statement, because he is aware of the backlash that would happen. I like hori and I can understand why he wouldnt want to upset people because he was attacked and got death threads in the past already from stupid shippers, but I have to say tite kubo is clearly the braver one of these two. He simply gives a fuck what people think and just does his thing no matter if people like it or not.

The best part was how not that long ago he completly destroyed an hardcore ichiruki shipper on social media who attacked him and insultet ichihime and kubo was just like: "you know what? FUCK YOU! From now on I will make even more ichihime content just to piss you off even more asshole!" Kubo is amazing and a legend!

#long post #bleach meta #I'm fed up with the collective lies this fandom seems to tell themselves and spread #And the fandom amnesia as if ichiruki wasn't the most popular ship in the fandom #You want to talk rabid lemme show you my screenshots of IH repeatedly dehumanizing IR shippers by calling them rats or it or monkeys #Ive also seen people say we need to be culled over pixels #Ichiruki was and is popular Ichihime doesn't come close and canon or not won't change that

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mysterylover123 · 3 years ago

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Mysterylover Watches Bleach Episodes 310-342 "Our Leads are All Grown Up"

1. Man, interesting how the OP plays differently now that we know what so many of those cuts mean. Like why Rangi is crying onto Gin. Dammit Ichi why couldn't you have been like five minutes earlier.

2. Damn so much destruction to the city now. Anyway we get some confirmation that Una has saved the Blonde Twins or hopefully has. That's nice.

3. And Kenny and RukiBro are OK too! Kenny reunites with Tiny Pink Shinigami - Yachiru, that's her name. Yay! But those antics end as we cut to Ichigo.

4. Ichi and Ura get to talk and apparently Ichi's friends know the truth now, thank god. No more Memory modification spells.

5. And Ichi's bummed because he gave up his powers. i feel you man, anyone would be. But hey at least you saved us from more Aizen monologuing! (for now).

6. Ichi is theorizing that Aizen just gave up. And feeling bad for him. Because are you a real shonen hero if you aren't feeling bad for the supervillain?

7. ORIHIME!!!!!! And the whole crew is here!! Ruki Renji Chad and Uryuu too!!!

8.Orihime is like "YOU GOT A FAB HAIRCUT I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE YOU" and Rukia is grinning at her like "that's my girl". Ichigo then falls over. Orihime hurry up and heal him.

9. Dammit we're cutting away to something else. OOH AIZEN'S GETTING SENTENCED TO PRISON AND WHAT?! I thought he was sealed up dammit now he can monologue more. Which he IMMEDIATELY does.

10. Anyway we cut over to poor Rangi who looks depressed. Gee I wonder why. Eff you Aizen. Also Hitsuu who is very very cold. And Rangi has a sad Gin montage. To stab me in the feels. And she says THE L WORD OMG.

11. BACK TO ICHIGO AND THE CREW. Thank God. They're at Rukia's place. And Ichi's been out 10 days holy crap. And yup they all know he gave up his powers.

12. Oh and his hair is shorter now. Rukia exposits about what's happening. He'l pass out again and then lose the powers for good. Darn that's rough buddy.

13. But he's dealing with it! Yay that's our protag. He's just happy everyone made it out ok. And Uryuu's like "bae you're gonna lose your powers that is not ok"

14. Ichi's just taking it like a pro. Damn he's so mature. Proud of this guy. And now he wants to see all their friends. Like the mature, kindhearted shonen lead he is. Holy crap.

15. 342 HAS A NEW OP! Which I think has to do with the filler arc I skipped over. But hey, new oP! Anywy the filler arc I skipped appears to be part of this episode so I'm just gonna skip it and try to guess where the filler ends and canon begins.

16. OK seems to be the end of episode 342. We go back to the room we left behind at the end of 310. And the Crew is looking sadly at Ichi as he loses his powers.

17. And he says Rukia's presence is fading away. That's depressing. Without his pressure he can't see dead people anymore. So they have to say goodbye.

18. Ruki is a tsundere about it. And tries to cheer him up by promising to stalk him. OH SHIT SHE REALLY IS DISAPPEARING.

19. Wait Hime and the others can still see her right? DAMN THO THIS IS SAD.

20. And we end on Ichi staring at nothing. DAYUM THAT'S DEPRESSING. And a sad Rukia montage. BUT SHE'S NOT DEAD OR ANYTHING THOUGH BUT WHATEVER LET'S HAVE A FRIENDSHIP MONTAGE OF ICHIGO AND RUKI GOOFING OFF.

21. So yes I am going to see the next arc! People were asking about that. I'm fine with seeing what comes next. This was a good arc, but there's still, in my opinion, loose threads open. Aizen's not dead yet and I'm sure he's itching to get back to monologuing. The supporting characters have yet to have closure on their arcs - Rukia kinda has, but Uryu and Hime haven't. And now Tatsuki knows! I wanna see that world, where Tatsuki's part of Team Ichigo. So yep, still needing closure on Bleach, not gonna stop now.

22. And also, thinking about this arc. I think it was good, but definitely overlong and needed to give some more closure to the Arrancars. (WHERE THE HELL IS GRIMMJOW?! OR Nel for that matter). So hopefully we'll see that going forward. Onto the next arc!

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