#black knight captain Huw

[largemandrill]

I made another one

[littlezas]

messmer and huw 091124

[subzeroparade]

you don't "mourn" the Knight Captain who betrayed you unless he was a snack.

[sanaez214]

Elden Ring fan art. A heartbreaking story of friendship between Messmer and Huw... P.S. I want to make something different between Huw and Andreas, so I draw beard for Andreas

[antarcticlemonade]

"Be grateful for Sir Messmer's mercy, had I found thee first there would be no remains left to honor."

Messmer and Hoslow after the rebellion

[mytypeismohg]

I like believing the omen twins both have beej referenced in the dlc. Mohg is very obviously present, even if he is not physically there. The bloodfiends, Ansbach, the dlc is very much about all the old horned beasts, those hated by the Golden Order. The hanging giant figure in the shadowkeep looks very suspiciously similar to Morgott, despite him also tragically being long gone. However, I also noticed how much Messmer’s behavior resembles Morgott. Both are self hating "cursed" people that fight for an order that shuns them, and are brainwashed into hating others who are seen the same way they are. Messmer hates his fire, Morgott hates his accursed blood powers.

Just like with captain Huw and Andreas betraying Messmer-

"Ashen remains in which spirits yet dwell. Use to summon the spirit of Huw, Knight-Captain of the Black Knights. The Black Knights were the primary force of Messmer's army. Second to their first Knight-Commander was Huw, a man with agile command of both twinblade techniques and the powers of the Crucible, and whose spirit in these ashes dwells. Though a champion of the divine beast hunt, he followed his father, Andreas, into rebellion against Messmer, and like his father, he too was imprisoned in an underground tomb. Messmer mourned the loss of a brother-in-arms."

-there was also a cut questline involving a "loyal" follower that betrays Morgott, once he discovers he is an Omen. Viscount Shaneheight, you can watch his full cut quest by Sekiro Dubi on YouTube. He wants to destroy the omens I'm the Subterranean Shunning Grounds in Leyndel, is basically a Morgott fanboy...until he discovers he too is cursed. I wonder if Morgott could witness the damage caused by Messmer, he would see himself inside him. Wonder if he would become this cruel if he stayed his path, and then seeing the many people of this period who would've loved and respected him. He could see how Messmer, no matter what he did, was left behind by the Golden Order as well. Despite Messmer claiming to fight for Marika, the only ones loyal to him are all now without "Marika's grace", and Messmer has essentially created his own Order, his own army, none of which are honored by the Golden Order, but he delusionally believes otherwise. Morgott could make his own family, among the surviving Hornsent maybe, similar to how his twin brother chose to do. Find your own wings, Morgott.

[goattypegirl]

In the sense that it's full of looted artifacts from Enir-Ilim and Belarut and the mounted bodies of divine beasts killed in hunts by Messmer's forces*, I'm not like spooked by taxidermy in general.

This is in reaction to a specific reddit post about Messmer and specifically highlighted the specimen storehouse as a good thing he did, because it was a "huge library of documents and specimens for research and study".

Like the darker sides and origins of archeology and anthropology irl are present in game right? I'm not making shit up?

*see the Black Knight Captain Huw and Fire Knight Hilde ashes

The Specimen Storehouse is fucking insidious, right? I'm not the only one disturbed by it?

[largemandrill]

Alrighty girlies, I won’t let us ignore him any longer.

This guy. This fucking guy. He’s a great summon, good health, AMAZING damage, and most importantly: Messmer lore.

WARNING: This joke post got super out of control. Get ready for a mini-essay below

He was second in command to his commander father, Andreas. Both served Messmer until Andreas discovered his “serpentine nature”, this lead to a rebellion that the commander led. Naturally, his son follows him to the end, that end being imprisoned deep within a catacomb. All pretty standard lore, shows that Messmer’s troupes weren’t entirely cool with the genocide they were doing. What I want to talk about is this line that is only on Huw’s description, and not his father’s.

“Messmer mourned the loss of a brother-in-arms”

If this line was on both Ashes, I would assume that Messmer mourned the lost men in the rebellion, despite their betrayal. Yet it’s only present on the captain’s description, not the man who led the rebellion in the first place. You know damn well what I’m about to do with this.

The main reason I’m jumping straight to “they were probably like a little gay” and not that Messmer was close to the leader of his main offensive force is the fact that Huw is a second in command. I would assume that a lord would have a better bond with the lead commander, there are less steps of hierarchy in between their positions. Messmer would have also known Andreas longer, (Let’s be real Huw got that position via nepotism) thus there would be higher familiarity.

What should also be mentioned is that Messmer’s feelings about others (excluding his mother) are hardly lingered on. Rellana was his sword, yet we only know her motives, not his. He was friends with Gaius due to both of them being cursed and also being mentor figures for Radahn, but there’s much more about Gaius and Radahn’s bond than between him and Messmer. This is the only (?) time that Messmer’s feelings on the matter are mentioned so bluntly. “Comrade-in-arms” in the context of Elden Ring is used much more frequently. If I remember correctly, this is what Freyja calls you if you summon her for the Dancing Lion. I’d argue that using brother is a signifier of a deeper relationship. To view someone not as an ally but as family, someone you couldn’t live without, a loved one. There’s also the fact that it’s mentioned that Huw followed his father. That reads like he was hesitant to betray Messmer, but his blood came before any affection he had for his Liege. Isn’t that the most classic of Tragedy? To choose your flesh and blood over your heart’s greatest desire? I’d hate to get poetic here, but the story writes itself.

Huw’s coffin was more beautifully decorated than that of his father. There were active guards, flowers, the room was larger. It’s quite gaudy when compared to Andreas’ open coffin in what could be described as a closet when it comes to size comparison. One was buried like a champion, beloved by a lord. The other buried with minimum respect given his status, but with the bitterness of betrayal.

Brother-in-arms.

[littlezas]

im still working on this messmer and huw piece yes

[subzeroparade]

[littlezas]

wip of messy and huw having a post battle celebratory drink and chat

[littlezas]

i did a miserable huw x messmer mix based on things written and things being wrote... – listen on youtube

[largemandrill]

I’m obsessed with an item description, please don’t help me

Also I made these to help with the illness he gave me

Close-ups of the main illustrations (I’m never fully rendering them but I still like them)

As always, I’m willing to clarify my notes if asked! I know my handwriting can be hard to read sometimes lol.

[subzeroparade]

I also wanted to say I was so happy when I read chapter 5 and turned out that we see Huw very similar in appearance: short dark/black hair, dark eyes. Once I saw someone drew him blond or ashen with a Sephiroth-like long mane and my thoughts were like "you do you sister but for me, personally, naaaaaaaaah" haha.

ty! obviously to each their own, but i like the contrast of Huw being exceedingly normal/grounded in appearance (and class) vs Messmer’s distinct red rattle-boned god-mom’s precious fiery snek boy silhouette. 

[subzeroparade]

Thank you for the drawing Huw, he does look like a snack T^T "you don’t “mourn” the Knight Captain who betrayed you unless he was a snack." TRUE. WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE.

🥳 it will probably not be the last time.