#beta cacturne

[pokemonbattletournament]

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Round 2 matchup 59

Propaganda for Buffamoo:

"Gentle by nature, can be milked"

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[landiosreal]

beta cacturne

[ninebaalart]

Beta Cacturne

There's a terabyte of leaked stuff from Gamefreak going around right now, and one of the coolest things in it is a bunch of concept art of Pokemon that are rendered in a much darker, edgier art style than the normal one we're so used to.

[exaltsrose]

Some pokemon designs from the silly thing that i reaaally loved

[catboycyrus]

HAVE YOU HEARD THE NEWS ABOUT CYRUS BEING CANONICALLY AUTISTIC

well sure but I figured we all knew that for years due to his nature? One of the most obvious autistic characters ever invented right behind Fegan Floop of Spy Kids fame.

[honoratacarnage]

ALRIGHT EVERYONE BUCK THE FUCK UP CAUSE THE

BIGGEST

LEAK OF THE WHOLE POKEMON LEAK HISTORY JUST HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!

Tons of beta stuff from the gen 3-5!!!!!!!

lets see some pokemon!

Zorua line! looking all fired up!

talking about fired up, look at this fox Reshiram!

... soup rotom?

beta zweilous and hydreigon! god they look awful

beta riolu my sweatheart!! and rollout licketung!

snoty bear and cheeky shelmet :p

NOW ALRIGHT DO YALL WANNA SEE SOMETHING ACTUALLY CRAZY????

time for gen 3 leaks!!

precious bunny omg we were robbed!!!!!!

WHAT ARE THEY?!?!?!?!?!?!?! WHO ARE THEY?!?!?! they are so scary omg

beta rayquaza and cacturne!!!!!!

omg this leak is WILD yall, ill keep updating you with the newest ones!!

[jadeazora]

Even a beta of the Gen3 RS UI was leaked, which shows an early design for Camerupt!

Edit: beta Gen3 starters, including the reveal Mudkip used to be a rabbit in an inner tube and PWT (supposedly) MAXIE???? He looks cool!

Also, concept/beta art for Rayquaza, Deoxys, and Cacturne, plus unknown scrapped designs. Guys. Guys, it's not just HGSS and Gen5 shit. It's everything.

[csolarstorm]

Yeah, I don't know what to post about the Pokemon Teraleak yet. There's just so much, I haven't sorted it out in my mind yet.

And to tell the truth, some of the big revelations about Gen 3 and 4 are just confirming things the Pokemon theorists already thought. Theorists already mapped the three trios in Gen 1-4 to the Arceus circle - it's just really neat to confirm that GameFreak intended it this way. And that there are Pokemon in the circle that we didn't know about, some that haven't been translated yet. And apparently the circle confirms the idea of psuedo-legendaries though, which is cool.

I think one thing it proves is that GameFreak developers can be a lot more hardcore and weird than the easily predictable, pattern-based company we've browbeaten each other into accepting for decades. The...um...furry fics...? Canalave "extended lore"?...proves that. And then there are the more monstrous Gen 3 concepts that I wouldn't even connect to Pokemon if not for the Unown rock monster (the first Regi?) and the Cacturne. I kinda hope this is the origin or Cacturne and Metagross, and they were just refined down to versions that fit the other art style.

That's what I'd like to think of each generation being: a collection of very different designs from different perspectives that they came together to brainstorm before refining them into one coherent artstyle.

I'd also like to think of the Unown rock monster as the first inspiration for the Regis, with the Unown evolving into the Braille used with the Regis in the final build.

I'm seeing a kind of synchronicity phenomenon here, where the vibe of the beta Pokemon is still communicated in the final build somehow. Not only do the betas reflect the style of their era, but because the fans are inspired by the games, their fakemon somehow synchronize with the vibes of the betas through the final build. I'm not sure how to explain it better than that? The fakemon that my friends and I worked on during Gen 3 and 4 resemble some of these Gen 3 betas. I think there was a style of the time, and I think that a lot of GameFreak's intentions for the design elements of the game are successfully implied through the experience, so fans tend to reconstitute that as their own headcanons. Does that make sense?

It's a miracle I got to sleep last night, after fiendishly tracking every leak I could from the afternoon to the early hours of the morning. I think I might be finally be ready to take a break from the leaks (besides sleeping). I mean, I thought I'd be one of those people to immediately post the leaks and my opinions about them as they came out, but for whatever reason I didn't feel like it, maybe because they haven't stopped coming out. So I'll get to sharing my opinions at some point.

Have fun with the leaks!

[bogleech]

What's your opinion on the massive beta pokemon leak, any favorites out of this batch of unused designs?

I got zillions of asks but sorting through it and my thoughts would be a whole big project! For the most part I agree with most decisions to scrap a design, in other cases I'm sad the concept was scrapped but I still think the design needs work. I wish cacturne actually had the freaky funky body shape of the scary concept art, and especially the eye placement! I wonder if they considered it as a third evolution.

[harleyridesagain]

anipoke in the timeline where harley had beta cacturne (Awesome)

[pokemonbattletournament]

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Round 1 matchup 70

Propaganda for Stonpanion:

"It's a rock."

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[calebwittebane]

ok im gonna be honest, while some of the leaked pokemon beta artwork, concept art, design notes, discarded sprites etc look very real (esp some of the concept art for the mons we got, i love the cacturne one, and some of the hoenn stuff ive seen before), a good 80% of it looks fake as hell. if im being honest. like absolute mickey mouse bullshit. i'm surprised it's being taken seriously. like, the "beta" designs that are very obviously just badly edited official art and sprites? come on

i dont know the validity of those character design info sheets but im tickled by confirmed latina skyla and autistic cyrus. Well, We Knew That. drayden's is interesting too

[milkpumpkin96]

Game Freak massive breach . . .

First, I want to say I feel REALLY bad for the poor Game Freak dev who got phished. Lots of personal employee information (including full names, addresses, and phone numbers) have been leaked. This is truly, truly awful.

On the other hand, Pokémon fans were blessed (and cursed) with never-before-seen beta Pokémon designs, unused sprites, maps, and BGMs, trainer concept art and biographies, small details of upcoming Gen X ("Project Gaia") and Legends: Z-A, wild bits of lore (including the origins of the Pokémon universe), past and present discussions about the Pokémon anime, and . . . uh . . . other things.

Lots of information, both genuine and false, is circulating throughout the internet. It is a bit difficult to find everything, I recommend checking out CentroLeaks on X/Twitter or the "Beta Leaks Megathread" on r/PokeLeaks.

Some examples:

BETA GEN V PROTAGONISTS

BETA GEN III STARTERS

CACTURNE CONCEPT ART (WTF??)

OTHER CONCEPT ART (???)

GEN III VERSION OF SCRAFTY

EARLY UNOVA MAP SKETCH

EVOLUTIONARY LINE CONCEPTS FOR GEN III

AUTISTIC CYRUS

SEXY PILOT SKYLA

And there is literally so much more. I will not DARE post some of the dev's "the boundary between Pokémon and humans was unclear" stories . . .

[refinedpet]

The thing I find so annoying about the Pokémon teraleak is people talking about it that clearly lack an understanding on development process.

Like they'll point at something and make wild assumptions.

A decent example of this is the cool spooky Cacturne concept art!

This one!

I personally love and adore this art and the rest in the set. It feels so non-Pokemon and is maybe some of the most inspiring and fascinating Pokémon related material I've seen in a long time.

However, in reality, this wasn't going to ever be Cacturne, it's art that was drawn to get an idea on paper that they'd then Pokémon-ify later.

Same deal as stuff like people pointing at beta designs for the Flabébé line and calling them cut Pokémon.

Or saying "Diving was cut from Kalos" when in reality I'm willing to bet they were just testing it for ORAS since Kalos is lacking in any major water areas. And we know that Soaring was cut from X&Y now, so if it was actually planned we'd likely be aware of that

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This next one, I'm gonna put an asterisk on how real it is as part of the leak, since now is the time a lot of people can just make stuff up and try to pass it around as part of the leak, and I haven't seen it from a credible sourse

But all the 'Zoophila' Pokémon stories written. To be blunt, if that shit is spicy to you, you clearly haven't read ANY mythology, that's all pretty basic and not something to freak out over. It's just writing stories that parallel real folk tales in our world but with Pokémon.

I'm fairly certain most people have just heard that they're a thing and are assuming the worst.

All of the information we're getting from this is insanely cool, but gods, every time I see a person talk about it, they are misinterpreting something and confidently saying it like the leak itself said that.

I don't have all the answers either, but I'm not out here making bold claims as someone who can't tell the cut fossil Pokémon is a Dodo bird and not a vulture, or that the poorly drawn Diamond and Pearl sprites are placeholders and not early versions of the finals

[kob131]

So heard of the Teraleaks for Pokemon? NGL Feel really bad about that employee that got phished to have this released. The leak itself was whatever but the hacker outright doxxing them was shitty.

On another note, highlights include Cyrus of Team Galactic being confirmed autistic in his character bio (IIRC they flat out use that exact word too), Beta Lickylicky's full design finally being uncovered, a TON of unreleased Pokemon lore and background being unearthed especially around Arceus, scrapped GameFreak games, and possibly leaks for Pokemon Legends ZA

Also, apparently there's some Pokemon Concept art that's drawn in a very different style than what we know, a lot darker and realistic looking imo. It looks like Gen 3 or 4 was gonna have a different vibe than what we got initially it looks like.

I saw this in passing, let's actually delve into this.-

-Hulk Hogan is partially the inspiration for Drayden

... Not since James being a partial reference point for Homer Simpson have I ever taken such psychic damage in this manner.

-Huh, so Cyrus just might be autistic. Maybe. There seems to have been a community note but it got removed. I dunno. Assuming he is-

I'll take it. He's not a fucking moron like Archie/Maxie, he's not contradictory and boring like Lysandre and he's got some level of depth unlike Giovanni. And yeah, I get it. The conflict of thinking in an excessively logical way but feeling such intense emotions. This is a win.

-I guess those Fakemon designs aren't that bad, considering so many just look like Beta Pokemon.

-That uh...that creation myth was something. Someone in Game Freak is a HUGE mythology nerd cuz that whole thing had the same feeling as learning about the creation myth of Chaos. ALso somewhat implies the pseudo-Legendaries ARE in fact 'pseudo-Legendaries'

Though note- No Giritina mentioned. So this likely isn't canon.

-Yeah, those are some realistic looking concepts. Especially that beta Cacturne. Kinda glad they didn't go this route because A. looks good but doesn't fit Pokemon's style. B. The style we did get was far more cohesive with older Pokemon. And C. Would work better as an independent monster collector built around this concept. As in- Pokemon did NOT need to dominant ANOTHER aspect of monster collecting.

Also not surprising- Gen 4 had a lot of sharper, more adult-like designs like Gallade or Electrivire.

-'A game about raising and fighting bugs. You can also fuse them' Cool concept, Game Freak. If you do this, please do it without using Pokemon. Again, we don't need Pokemon consuming MORE of it's genre. ... Look, I value the distinction between Pokemon and SMT VERY heavily.

-So looks like Pokemon has been eyeing cutting the Pokedex since Gen 3. Reminds me of the Foxacade video where he said something similar (that their best bet to do this was back in Gen 3). Also shows ideas for what would become Mega Evolution, Dynamax and Gholdengo back in 2000.

P.S. 'They tried to make a game simple but included the REGIS?!' Dude, we went from themes of letting go of past glory and moving on to two dunderheads who failed fourth grade biology.

-So they knew people were gonna go crazy for Skyla. Always thought she was...specially made. Also explains why I keep seeing Shadow in my research.

-... And yet these stories are still better implementation of adult themes than Palworld.

On a serious note- What is up with that fucking Slaking story?

-I don't see any ZA info other than some passing info on Gen 10. Which really sucks for the developers- they're likely getting crunched still and now their hard work that they could deliver with maximum impact using good marketing is now just laid bare for everyone to mock them over.

-Lastly: It's not bad enough some poor grunt accidentally leaked a massive amount of info, likely getting him blacklisted from Japan's video gaming industry but they also had to get their info released so they can get blacklisted everywhere else AND mocked for it?

I don't care much for or against leaks but come on, have some decorum.

[skeletor-enjoyer]

MOTU-Themed Pokemon Teams - Part 4

Part 1 - Part 2 - Part 3 - Part 4

It's the finale! Last time, I posted the Pokemon teams of Eternia's mightiest heroes! Now we return to evil with some (mostly) independent villains!

Credit to ExoticPoke for official art recolored to match Shiny Delphox: https://www.deviantart.com/exoticpoke/art/655-Shiny-Delphox-873352299

Batros's Team!

CROBAT (Poison/Flying): Bat!

NOIVERN (Flying/Dragon): I think this is the only case I re-use a pokemon without swapping colors around, but I had to! Because bat!

SWOOBAT (Psychic/Flying): A magical bat, just like Batros!

GLISCOR (Ground/Flying): Bat ears and wings make Gliscor close enough to a bat!

GALARIAN SLOWKING (Poison/Psychic): Batros is an intelligent evil wizard who plotted to become king of Eternia by stealing all their books. Galarian Slowking is also an intelligent, sinister-looking wizard.

SHINY DELPHOX (Fire/Psychic): Both of these wizards share much of their color schemes, and there is a type of bat called a flying fox!

Credit to Rachel Briggs for official-style art of beta Noctowl, check out more of her art here: https://x.com/RacieBeep/status/1301892632667398144

Credit to Anarlaurendil for official art recolored to match Shiny Hoothoot: https://www.deviantart.com/anarlaurendil/art/Hoothoot-shiny-993796280

Credit to ExoticPoke for official art recolored to match Shiny Poliwrath: https://www.deviantart.com/exoticpoke/art/062-Shiny-Poliwrath-872644591

Enchantress's Team!

BETA NOCTOWL (Psychic/Flying): I think of all owl pokemon, this one most closely resembles Enchantress. I made it flying/psychic because of Noctowl's association with time and to match its trainer's abilities.

NOCTOWL (Normal/Flying): Enchantress is shown to be able to spy through the eyes of ordinary owls!

SHINY HOOTHOOT (Normal/Flying): Many of her scenes show her peering into a glowing golden orb, including while she is spying through owl eyes!

DECIDUEYE (Grass/Ghost): Enchantress dresses like an owl!

MUK (Poison): When do-gooders storm her fortress, Enchantress sends out her 'sludge creatures' to stop them. Muk is known as the 'Sludge Pokemon' and resembles the squished form of these creatures.

SHINY POLIWRATH (Water/Fighting): Poliwrath represents her green, frog-like henchman Drude who betrays her at the end of the episode!

Credit to zhao10192009 for official art recolored to match Shiny Vileplume: https://www.deviantart.com/zhao10192009/art/0045-Vileplume-Male-Shiny-1061589302

Evilseed's Team!

CACTURNE (Grass/Dark): Cacturne's nature as a villainous plant man with a triangular head makes him similar to Evilseed.

CARNIVINE (Grass): Carnivine's bulbous green head and tangling vines fit Evilseed.

VICTREEBEL (Grass/Poison): Victreebel is connected to villainy through the Victreebel of James of Team Rocket.

TREVENANT (Ghost/Grass): Trevenant traps people in the woods, just like how Evilseed tied up many of Eternia's heroes and villains to a tree with vines.

FERROTHORN (Grass/Steel): Ferrothorn's bulbous head, yellow eyes, and powerful vines are a good match for Evilseed.

SHINY VILEPLUME (Grass/Poison): According to the Pokedex, "Its big head is heavy and hard to hold up."

Credit to ExoticPoke for official art recolored to match Shiny Feraligatr: https://www.deviantart.com/exoticpoke/art/160-Shiny-Feraligatr-872772844

Fang Man's Team!

AERODACTYL (Rock/Flying): The purple color, wings, head shape, and pointed tail are similar to the dragosaurs Fang Man can control.

ARCHEOPS (Rock/Flying): Archeops is another ancient flying creature with a color scheme very similar to Fang Man's.

SHINY FERALIGATR (Water): Feraligatr's blue head fins are the closest match I could find to Fang Man's.

DRACOZOLT (Electric/Dragon): Fang Man's MOTU Classics action figure came with a taser-looking device called a 'force field rod' which supposedly comes from his original model sheets (which I cannot confirm or find ANYWHERE!). The color schemes are also decently similar, and it matches the ancient/fossil theme.

DRUDDIGON (Dragon): This dragon has a remarkably similar color scheme to Fang Man, who is related to dragons!

ROARING MOON (Dragon/Dark): This dragon has both a similar color scheme to Fang Man and a head/body shape similar to the dragosaurs he rides.

Icer's Team!

GALARIAN DARMANITAN (Ice): A Pokedex entry for Galarian Darmanitan's zen mode form reveals it can melt its own body, similar to how Icer can melt down into a puddle and reform. Also, Icer was called 'Snow Man' during his design phase.

CRYOGONAL (Ice): Cryogonal has the ability to 'vanish' into steam and restrain prey using ice.

ABOMASNOW (Grass/Ice): Icer takes over a weather control station to freeze Eternia, and Abomasnow has the ability to control the weather to cause blizzards/hailstorms. Abomasnow's inspiration in the abominable snowman also matches Icer's production name.

BEARTIC (Ice): The weather station Icer takes control of is located at the 'top of the world', which would be the arctic of Earth. Beartic's white fur also matches Icer's white fur accessories.

BAXCALIBUR (Dragon/Ice): Ice

REGICE (Ice): Regice's carved ice-sculpture appearance matches Icer's face.

Credit to ExoticPoke for official art recolored to match Shiny Muk and Shiny Mega Sableye: https://www.deviantart.com/exoticpoke/art/089-Shiny-Muk-872676238 / https://www.deviantart.com/exoticpoke/art/302-Shiny-Sableye-Mega-875487115

Credit to TonOfDirt726 for official art recolored to match Shiny Stakataka and Shiny Hoopa Unbound: https://www.deviantart.com/tonofdirt726/art/805-Stakataka-824883423 / https://www.deviantart.com/tonofdirt726/art/720-Hoopa-Unbound-822637308

Plundor's Team!

DIGGERSBY (Normal/Ground): Both a rabbit and a construction worker who could assist in building Plundor's factories!

SHINY MUK (Poison): Muk represents the pollution that Plundor's factories have dumped into the waters of planet Trannis as well as the green liquefied life force of the planet which Plundor plans to sell off in exchange for incredible wealth and treasures.

GALARIAN WEEZING (Poison/Fairy): Galarian Weezing represent Plundor's evil factories.

SHINY MEGA SABLEYE (Dark/Ghost): Sableye's hunger for gems and appearance of being made of gold and emeralds represents Plundor's greed. The elongated ears of the mega form also make it vaguely resemble a rabbit.

SHINY STAKATAKA (Rock/Steel): Shiny Stakataka resembles a pile of gold bars, representing Plundor's need to endlessly hoard wealth. I also considered shiny Probopass, a partially golden 'easter' island head, but ended up deciding this better fit the theme of destructive greed.

SHINY HOOPA UNBOUND (Psychic/Dark): Possibly the greediest pokemon, Hoopa Unbound is said to have once stolen an entire castle in order to gain the treasure within. This suits Plundor's extreme greed well, and also helps explain how he could conquer an entire planet.

Credit to JorMxDos for official art recolored to match Shiny Raticate: https://www.deviantart.com/jormxdos/art/0020-Raticate-Female-Valencia-Shiny-Edit-987553132

Credit to TonOfDirt726 for official art recolored to match Shiny Tangrowth: https://www.deviantart.com/tonofdirt726/art/465-Tangrowth-Female-883530990

Credit to TrainerParshen for global link art recolored to match Shiny Yamask: https://www.deviantart.com/trainerparshen/art/Shiny-Yamask-Global-Link-Art-424945782

Shokoti's Team!

SHINY RATICATE (Normal): Shiny Raticate represents the giant red rat monster Shokoti keeps in her dungeon.

CRADILY (Rock/Grass): Cradily represents one of Shokoti's many green tentacle monsters called Darklings.

SHINY TANGROWTH (Grass): Shiny Tangrowth represents another of Shokoti's many Darklings (she has a lot of them!) SHINY YAMASK (Ghost): Shiny Yamask represents Lord Masque, an evil shadow wearing a white mask who serves Shokoti.

FROSLASS (Ice/Ghost): A cold witch-like pokemon focused on restraining and devouring the souls of humans, Froslass is similar in her strategy and disposition to Shokoti.

GUZZLORD (Dark/Dragon): Guzzlord represents the sleeping beast which Shokoti awakens, an eldritch abomination capable of devouring even stone.

And that's all the MOTU Pokemon teams I could think up! Let me know if you have any favorite teams, disagreements, or ideas for new teams! Or just comment whatever you are thinking about! And until next time... Good Journey!

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