#berenscrit
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I guess I just don't particularly understand how Berens remains so popular (or at least gets way less criticism vs buckleming) when he's responsible for the creation of Kaia's character and brought back Missouri only to kill her off. Both of these happened in twenty seventeen ffs. This wasn't the 00s! Which, to be clear, this would not have been okay in the 00s either but there was a lot more awareness around the treatment of bipoc characters by the late 10s.
Does the confession mean that much to the fandom that we continue to largely gloss this over?
Please note: I'm not letting everyone else in the writers room off the hook (Dabb & Singer in particular as co-showrunners) since jfc someone should have caught it. But I do think Berens had more independence with creating Kaia's character & story since she would have been on Wayward which he was set to be showrunner on. And tbh I think Wayward getting nixed was a blessing in disguise. If it went ahead in its original incarnation I highly doubt we'd be talking about it the same way. Also? Bringing back Missouri in Wayward as some sort of magical spirit guide to Patience? Get all the way fucked, buddy.
#i was going to make a snappy poll and still might bc apparently those can actually change ppl's minds but like#this isn't something i *only* want to put in a snappy poll and is a serious discussion to be had#i haven't watched kung fu but there's the fact that it's a predominantly asian cast and not native american or black#ppl have particular blind spots on biases so i'll lay off when he can actually prove that he's put in the work and changed#by writing solid native american and black characters. which is why i'm a bit easier on dabb now: resi handled a predominantly#black cast very well and while i don't forgive him for 07x22 or the bullshit he pulled with asian characters i think he's shown growth#we do not yet have that data for berens#i should really have a tag for#berenscrit#spn
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is it still berenscrit hours
it's always berenscrit hours, my friend
#replies#anonymous#although i do think ive mellowed on this a lot#now that ive gotten over my initial OH MY GOD IT WAS THE SECRET ANGRY DEAN THAT LIVED IN BERENS' HEAD realization#and now that rachel has convinced me that berens was the one true late seasons sam understander#i have a lot more love for him#he will never be robbie though and for that he must pay the price
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#also the extremely questionable handling of Black and Native characters#but that's a very different and more serious topic#but yes you are 100% correct about this#also hot take the only member of TFW Berens writes with a characterization that rings true is Sam (@ilarual)
#so much sense was made today#i’ve never been able to place it but#the extreme wordiness and how bernen reads like a well meaning sam#believe it or not o disliked his claire#could not figure out why!!! (@shallowseeker)
and if i said berens is basically just every deancrit casfan destielblr blog except he did it first? that he's not self-aware enough to realize he's a samfan and that's his writing lens? that he thinks bc he has one marginalized identity, he knows how to write characters of other marginalized identities? (i've heard he did better with kung fu but... kaia. patience. missouri.) is a member of the traveling slash fandom who got the opportunity to write for an iconic ship that he doesn't actually like? still mad at the straight guy who led him on in college and projecting all that baggage on dean? the epitome of "i think you'd be happier as a sastiel, or at least your sam would make more sense"?
i read fic with Best Ally Ever Sam and i wonder if berens has an ao3 account
Probably like 90% of the reason I don't fuck with Berens is that he thinks he's a cascoded casfan destiel shipper, but he's actually a samcoded casfan and member of the traveling slash fandom
#i recognize the ppl i grew up with. i could get more scathing. i also have empathy for him. terminally online cringe man.#the thing is i don't think he's necessarily a bad writer on the whole. i think he's a bad writer for *supernatural* and destiel#the 'you have one marginalized identity ergo you think you can write all others' is a blind spot with a LOT of spn writers#unfortch he wrote the kaia/patience/missouri stuff ~2017 and not the late 00s/early 10s so i come down on it harder#wayward sisters was canned for the wrong reasons but that was such a blessing in disguise tbh#not to start shit but is it any wonder all the deancrit casfan mean girl hellers from 2021 lionized berens so much?#spn#berenscrit#i'm so glad it's no longer 2021 destieblr and i don't feel like i'm going to get crucified for saying i don't like berens/the confession
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note: i'm limiting myself to only one ep per writer/writer duo
#there's a common theme to these episodes....#i may be a dabbfan but i can also admit that he's written some fuckin crimes#it's like therapeutic bloodletting to be berenscrit after holding it in so long#spn
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The absolute disrespect I have to see to the Great Robert (r. thompsonis)
#this is a vague. this is a direct criticism. this is an overarching critique of the fandom.#every day i become more berenscrit just to balance out the sheer number of ppl who act like he's god's gift to destiel#ironically there is no writer in s12-15 who did more to make destiel unappealing to me bc of how he characterized dean#actually i'm gonna make a separate post about that later that ppl will inevitably ignore or misinterpret
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there's such an irony to berens being tapped as a possible showrunner for a show with a cast of predominantly female characters when apparently the only personality trait he can assign to mary in 14x18 is mommy mary in spite of multiple flashbacks focusing on her relationship with other characters
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the secret bad supernatural that lives in berens head
#i know that i am extremely berenscrit contrary to most of the fandom but! it's like every time something happens that's kinda crap#in later seasons 9 times out of 10 it's a berens or buckleming ep#if we're gonna talk dabbcrimes maybe keeping berens on as a writer is one of them alksfjdakjdf
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brain is just mii waiting room music as i consider where i've ended up in my supernatural fandom journey
#that is to say: a berenscrit dabbfan and glynn stan who considers s1-3 kripke and dabb era to be the best eras of spn#which means i'm sad bloodlines wasn't picked up as separate from spn and think it's a blessing in disguise that wayward wasn't greenlit#also i'm going to be watching an adaptation of a YA novel that i have zero interest in just bc glynn is the showrunner....#i wasn't in the fandom when wayward wasn't picked up but everything i've heard really sounds like it could've been a firefly s2 situation#i feel like the issues with kaia's character are well-understood at this point but killing off missouri to make her a spirit guide(???)#for patience is uh. questionable. and depending on how it was handled could have fallen badly into the magical negro trope#the shitty thing is that we all know it wasn't picked up bc execs thought an all-female cast with middle aged women as leads#wasn't marketable to a larger audience and that part is bullshit but i think maybe it was best it didn't go forward as it was planned#like unless they were intending to have a very diverse writers room i cannot imagine what berens might have come up with#the creation and treatment of kaia as a character says a lot and i think the blame falls more on him than dabb or other writers bc she was#created with the intention of being on the show he would be showrunner for so i think he had more independence/less oversight#dabb is complicit tho and so are the rest of the writers tbh since it doesn't seem like anyone saw any huge issues with it#also: davy perez wrote a better confession in stuck in the middle with you vs 15x18 and does not get nearly enough respect for it 🙄#tbh *none* of the other writers get enough respect like my god you're gonna stan berens and NOT ms meredith glynn????#thee all-rounder and Understander of late seasons and top 5 writers on the show *ever*?#glynn could do 05x04 the end but bedlund could never do regarding dean#hashtag Takes that would get you cancelled in 2021#spn
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This means when I start posting polls I'm relying on followers/moots to spread them like wildflowers bc none of my posts show up in tags rn 😭
I MAY BE SHADOWBANNED BUT I FINALLY HAVE POLLS
#i am ready to be soooo annoying about dabbnatural and glynnatural you have no idea#also the berenscrit. i've got a good berenscrit poll brewing in my brain.
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I refuse to keep my berenscrit on the inside anymore
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I love your takes on Cas's complexity and wilfullness. I love that you consider the characters, not from what the audience knoes but from their own perspectives and from beneathe duress of war.
You're right that Cas is rebellious and goes his own way. He'd usually ask forgiveness rather than permissiom. In the distant future and if you have time, I'd love to hear thoughts on this dynamic resurfacing with the brain-fry of Donatello, how Cas literally sheds his coat to reveal angel underneath to do it! It was in 13x14 transcript / script
thank you <3
so. my answer is probably going to be disappointing because i don't really have any deep thoughts about it tbh. i think it's a pretty straightforward moment? cas takes off his coat so he can do the dirty work that needs to be done. you could probably make a pretty solid case that the trench coat represents something about who cas is continually becoming over the course of the series. i think the only other times we see him without it are in s7 when he has amnesia, s11 when he's possessed by lucifer, and then i thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiink when he's pretending to be jimmy for claire in s10. so having him take it off to revert back to being a "soldier" makes sense.
in the context of the episode, dean has told him they're going to do "whatever it takes" to get back to apocalypse world. cas is already feeling like he's failed jack. donatello kinda tries to kill dean. donatello himself seems to be a lost cause. so cas makes a decision and tries to do "whatever it takes." and much like the single shared brain cell gets passed around team free will, so do the moral compass and the high horse depending on who needs to be doing what in any given episode. in this episode, deans get to be on his high horse about cas' actions. even though he held a gun to a child's head like two episodes ago but i don't think we're allowed to be berenscrit on this webbed site yet so let me not talk about that. it is what it is. honestly, i don't think cas (or dean or sam) ever really stopped doing the beg forgiveness rather than ask permission thing? i mean, s12 was kind of all about cas doing exactly that: killing billie, stealing the colt, going with kelly, trusting jack, etc. he was doing what he thought was necessary. it just didn't involve turning a person into a vegetable. but like, this is just who cas is and we love him for that.
#replies#shallowseeker#i really feel like this answer is just so disappointing and im so sorry lol#i even rewatched the episode to see if i would have more thoughts but my head is empty#there is nothing going on up there and i sincerely apologize#i would love to hear your thoughts though#castiel#1314#s13
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Every time someone attributes destiel to Berens or fawns over him, I become more berenscrit. The refusal to acknowledge other writers (fucking especially the writers who preceded him) is astounding. Robbie wrote the OG confession in s8 and some ppl in the writers room were clearly behind it from at least s5. Berens was hired in for s9. Know your herstory.
the 15x18 confession isn't even that good imho
Also dear fucking god this fandom needs to learn what a rhetorical question is. I want to shake someone.
#posts to get you cancelled on spnblr in 2021#i would absolutely be there for a wayward spin off but idk if i trust berens as a showrunner
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honestly the funniest part of backreading the tag is getting to the beginning when i was still surprised by how much i liked his work but was still being mean. now i'm like. full-blown apologia.
actually, i credit a good bit of how much i've come around on him to resi tbh. he's clearly gone through a lot of growth since he wrote 07x22 and maybe that growth was just knowing when to step back, but when it comes to a showrunner who clearly still enjoys the hands-in-the-writing part of it, it's really important to know when to get a second set of eyes and/or cede that story to other ppl.
going through my dabbnatural tag is like... 50% me being The Most Annoying On Other People's Posts and 50% wild ramblings about the Themes
#also: atomika helped slot some pieces together tbh#i'm extremely berenscrit as a result of becoming more of a dabbfan. i doubt it was intentional but berens undermined a lot#of the Themes and characterization that dabb seemed to be stretching towards in s12-15#dabbnatural
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hahaaaa.... let's watch 14x18 and get berenscrit
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#i'm pretty sure my account is fucked bc someone reported me incorrectly....#i cannot think of another reason i lost all ability to interact with other ppl/am shadowbanned
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Glynn, Perez, Adams & Yockey: Dean is just a little guy with special interests and also a deep well of empathy and love and trauma
Dabb: It's about the authorfathergodnetwork and the nature of free will and fathergods and Dean is the vessel for these Themes
Fuckleming: [distracted by the Lucifer chew toy that got thrown into their enclosure] What even is consistent characterization?
Berens: What if I was still mad at the straight guy who broke my heart when I was younger and projected all of that onto Dean?
#i've been in a real berenscrit mood recently... it's like the more i've come to like dabb's work the more i realize i dislike berens' work#spn
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