#been avoiding talking syscourse lately

[chaos-in-one]

Since apparently there's a rise in people saying how diagnosed systems don't like/don't want to be around self diagnosed systems: Self dxed systems ily and you are 100% welcome here, and will never be judged differently for your diagnosis status. I personally believe whether or not you are diagnosed does not say anything about if you are misinformed or not (I have seen plenty of diagnosed systems spread a shit ton of misinfo), or whether you are exhibiting "anti recovery behavior" (recovery is a very personal thing that looks different for different people- and being in earlier steps in recovery also doesn't equal being "anti recovery"). You are loved and supported here, and you will always be treated as equal to diagnosed systems here.

-Sincerely a diagnosed system <3

[t4tpumpkinduo]

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• i am not good with replies smtimes :'[ i adore dms i love talking to people but i don't often have the energy to keep up with things so please don't take it personally 🙏 you are my dear beloved pals. have been getting much better about this lately though!

• c/qtntduo hater SORRY LOL. also number 1 cdrm despiser they should've brutally killed him with hammers i'll tell you that much. tags are #tnt neg and #cdrm neg so things can be avoided but know my stance

• jic this needs to be made clearer, i enjoy mcrp Characters seperate from any Real Life cc/actors. i don't know these people.

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[sophieinwonderland]

What's something you fear or hate that your host doesn't?

(This was an old draft.)

2021 Sophie: I feel natural the existential issues are a given.

Beyond that, I hate internet trolling. I might argue with some people sometimes, but it's usually in the interest of a good faith dialogue. My host has no such qualms. /2021 Sophie

Current Sophie: Kind of interesting to see how my opinions changed on this. I mean, I still don't generally argue with people to troll. I try to avoid arguing with anti-endos at all anymore though. Debunking them, yes. But arguing doesn't seem fruitful. Nor does dialogue with people who aren't willing to change their minds.

Amazing what a mass attempt to get you banned and years of malicious rumors being spread can do to one's perspective.

At this point, I view anti-endos as another arsenal in my toolbox. I don't care to try to convince them that I'm valid. Only to use them to prove them wrong publicly and advance my own goals.

...

So... let's think of something else... and preferably something not syscourse related...

Is it weird that I can't think of anything?

I mean, even the existential issues I mentioned in the beginning aren't there anymore. I can't remember the last time I had an existential crisis. It still occasionally happens, but it's rarer and shorter now than it used to be. Really, I've never really hated much of anything.

...

I guess I do fear becoming my host a bit.

Especially looking back on this post and seeing how my own approach to syscourse changed over time to mirror more how my host would approach these topics.

I remember talking long ago about my source memories. And I said that I liked being a fictive. That I would rather be my source than be my host, even if my source wasn't a good person. Because she was me. Because my memories of that life were my memories. But those source memories and that other life feel so distant now as to be little more than a dream, and I find myself falling into the same patterns as my host, and sharing many of the same interests. (Except My Next Life As a Villainous. He hates that show and doesn't understands how I can enjoy it.)

And did I change because of a natural reaction to syscourse and how I was treated, or is it that the more I front or the more I proxy, the more we absorb each other's traits and I become like him? Including adopting his worst traits.

Lately, this is what I've been afraid of.

[thattreeistoobig]

In complicated feelings time about who knows about Us and who doesn't. I want to go back and join a syscord with other traumagenic systems who Get It (because in all honesty when I'm around endo systems I feel like I just can't relate to them at all and I just want to be able to talk about disordered plurality without "there's nothing wrong with you or how you are!!" like we usually get, because there is something wrong with us and it's called dissociative identity disorder) because we're having a lot more problems lately with system stuff again.

However, our previous forays have been filled with stressful af syscourse and rules which feel alienating to us (make sure you always state who is fronting so everyone knows who they're speaking to, have a system name which isn't just a collective name but has to be like the (x) system, don't discuss """irredeemable media"""", no rules which require image descriptions which sucks when your visual processing is shit, such extensive lists of triggers to avoid that it's just impossible to avoid them and then you get a warning because you forgot to tag one of 200+ triggers you're supposed to keep in your head at all times) and random fakeclaiming and screenshots turning up on r/didcringe, and we've always just left pretty quickly because it's not fun for us. And I think, from the stories I've heard, it's only gotten worse over the past like four or five years.

So I'm good without doing that to myself again. But god I wish there could be just somewhere we could simply be without having to deal with the stresses of like every fucking syscord I've been in even the ones who claim are "sooooo chill"

[cluster-b-culture-is]

hi, sorry, whats pro-endo and sysmed?

cluster-b person here. love your blog ♡

Thank you!

For an older answer to your question that talks a little more about the articles I mention later on, I urge you to read this post, although it is pretty rambly and just a tad angry/exasperated in tone. I will explain here in a way that is hopefully easier to read and more concise, along with less rambly and emotionally-driven.

Tl;dr, "pro-endo" refers to being supportive and accepting of endogenic systems, i.e., systems that did not form (exclusively) from trauma. This also (usually, and at least for us) includes supporting mixed origin systems. Sysmeds refer to system medicalists, who gatekeep systemhood, which causes damage and harm to the plural community. Pro-endo also does not mean "actively engaging in syscourse", which is a common and, frankly, exhausting (and sometimes even triggering!) misconception to deal with.

System medicalists, or sysmeds, are people who try to gatekeep systemhood and medicalize plurality, and most (if not all, as i have yet to meet or hear of a "pro-endo" sysmed) believe that systems must form from trauma, and all believe systems must be disordered. This is false, as has been shown time and time again by multiple studies (link goes to a document that contains multiple studies on plural people, both traumagenic and not; note, at least one of the links is broken, but if you search the title, the study is the very first link that comes up).

The reason this is relevant is because Mod Reef is a non-disordered endogenic collective, and feels deeply uncomfortable with sysmeds, due to some of these very common beliefs held by sysmeds:

That all endogenic and/or non-disordered systems are faking for attention

That all endogenic and/or non-disordered systems are actually traumagenic and just don't realize it

That all endogenic and/or non-disordered systems are harmful to the community

That all endogenic and/or non-disordered systems are invading disordered systems' spaces

Some combination of the above

Sysmeds have also perpetrated harassment towards endogenic and non-disordered systems in many cases, and many who don't do it themselves have justified it in their minds through one or more of the points above (or through some other thing that I may be missing). Even if they haven't, sysmeds often remain close-minded and refuse to listen to the experiences and stories of endogenic systems.

The ironic thing is, they believe that they are protecting the community, when they are very much doing the opposite. There are many horror stories out there of exclusively medicalized communities being vicious and controlling, and often ripping each other apart at the slightest sign of someone not fitting their expectations. This is blatantly dangerous and makes the community inaccessible to questioning systems or to systems who don't fit within "the box".

The term sysmed is often called transphobic, due to parallels with the term transmed. However, they describe different things, and the suffix "-med" is not exclusive to transgender medicalists. It must also be noted that sysmeds and transmeds often use similar arguments to try and make their points, although smarter people have detailed these similarities than us, and seeing as it is late, I am very tired, and this post is already long, I will not attempt to do this myself.

Note that pro-endo does not necessarily mean "actively engaging in syscourse". I myself try to avoid syscourse as much as possible, as it is entirely too exhausting and anxiety-inducing for me to handle; I simply do what I feel I need to in order to make the spaces I am in safe for me and those around me.

[theoliviaset]

The Olivia Set

I guess we should do an introductory post and all that.

About the Set

We are an adaptive plural system of about 8 members (it depends on how one draws the lines between us, and which of us really count as members). We're autistic, dealing with CPTSD, and none of us are binary.

We are very pro plural and inclusive (to spell it out, that means we are inclusive of all plural system origins). Two of our frontrunners have plurality as a special interest, so expect syscourse here.

Do Not Interact (DNI)

If you would need to violate your own DNI to interact with us. Seriously, don't abuse your DNI to shield yourself and then go out and interact with others that you specifically request to avoid. It a) has a negative impact on the use of a DNI similar to how "triggered" got watered the hell down; and b) it's really unhealthy to go out of your way to interact with those that cause you distress.

We will probably yell at you and block you if you violate your own DNI to talk to us.

Boundaries

In addition to anyone and anything that just happens to be bad for our current mental health, we will block for the following things (also probably chew you out):

Misgendering (mistakes happen we know)

Insulting people's intelligence or general mental capabilities (which is ableist as fuck)

Calling us parts or alters (the term we use is headmates)

Assigning any of us alter roles (our only job is the one we get a paycheck from)

Fakeclaiming

Otherwise, we block on a case by case basis. Seriously it's so easy to hit that block button.

The Members

We don't quite know how many of us there are, but mostly because we aren't sure how to do the counting.

Faye (she/they/fae) - Faye was our primary frontrunner/host for around 5-8 years prior to discovering plurality. At least that's what it feels like. Her personality really seemed to pop up when we got out of college and into the work place, but her theological beliefs seem to stem from far earlier. Who knows?

Moxie (she/her any/all) - Moxie is the member who discovered our system. One morning she said from the back "Hey, what if we're a system?" And since Faye couldn't let go of the thought, she asked Moxie to introduce herself. Because of her love of philosophy (specifically metaphysics) we're pretty sure she was the us that went to college. She's also a frontrunner.

Foxy (she/her) - Foxy is an amalgam. One part fictional entity, one part soul cast from a world we found through our imagination, one part suggestion, one part tulpa, one part autistic mask. Her spiritual beliefs regarding her existence have conflicted with us a lot (traumatized girls scared of being ostracized, surprise surprise they have trouble letting me talk or even think about it). We're trying to get better about violating her autonomy and letting her express herself as she pleases. She's become one of our frontrunners since arriving and is fiercely committed to the well being of this set. Expect a lot of cussing out of her.

Jack (any/all) - Jack just showed up after Moxie discovered our plurality. He's relatively chill and has been helping out more lately. None of us are terribly sure if he's been around a while, or if he formed recently, but we're happy he's here.

Nyroka (she/her) - Foxy's wife from their life before. Her view is that her and Foxy are paratives. Glad she's here regardless of how (we were kinda getting worried about Foxy's homesickness). She doesn't front much.

Octavia (she/her?) - Octavia doesn't come forward much, let alone front, but when she does its... weird. She's a self-proclaimed placebomancer using her will working to trick our minds into accomplishing our goals. Honestly, in spite of all of the dressings of magic and the occult she likes to use, she's managed to do things others can't, so hey, placebomance away!

Harper (he/they) - Dont know if we should count Harper. They consider himself to be a part of Faye. He hasn't been around lately, as he would rather "just be an impulse". Hope they're doing alright in whichever brainfold he's hiding in.

Eeveelyn (she/her) - She's our little one. Don't expect to hear much about her, and expect nothing from her.

The Others - There are more people one could call headmates. Maybe they're imaginary friends, maybe they're fragments, maybe they're characters that took on a life of their own. It's probably a mix of all of that and other stuff, but they aren't around enough to introduce.

Our System Name

We went by Olivia collectively for years before discovering we were gender fluid, and then realizing those weren't just genders. So we feel a nice connection to that name. Any of us will answer to Liv as well still.

The "Set" part comes from a few places. First, it's the same kinda convention as the Julia Set or the Mandelbrot Set. And we view ourselves as somewhat fractal. We as a collective pretend to be one person, and as individuals are many faceted.

We also like the idea of viewing ourselves as a set (as in Set Theory). We are a set of sets. Some of our elements can be shared or passed between the subsets.

There's also some philosophical aspects to this. One argument for the existence of sets as real things comes from their usefulness. David Lewis (in his book On a Plurality of Worlds funnily enough) says of possibles:

By what right do we call possible worlds and their inhabitants disreputable entities, unfit for philosophical services unless they can beg redemption from philosophy of language? I know of no accusation against possibles that cannot be made with equal justice against sets. Yet few philosophical consciences scruple at set theory. Sets and possibles alike make for a crowded ontology. Sets and possibles alike raise questions we have no way to answer. [...] I propose to be equally undisturbed by these equally mysterious mysteries.

We really like how this thought applies so well to our view of plurality. The experience of multiplicity is an internal one. It can be proven no more than any experience of singlehood. It has hard problems to deal with as does singlehood. It is extremely useful as a framework for us (and others) to view ourselves. And by that usefulness, we are justified in asserting the ontological status of our individual personhood of 'real'.

If you're willing to presume that bodies you meet in the world are in fact thinking beings, then it's no more implausible to believe that we are many thinking beings sharing a body.

-{O}

[thecirculararchive]

i used to be pretty anti-endo leaning, but that was mostly because i had seen people be pretty harmful and downright abusive while under the guise of being an endogenic system. there are absolutely some systems i avoid because of their harmful tactics, even now, but i've kinda come to terms that like... you're right! they probably do exist! psychology is ever-growing - we DON'T know everything about it! i don't fit the symptoms of osdd to a T, but i fit dpdr more and most people with dpdr don't mention HAVING a system, yet i do. we just... don't know anything yet! and that's okay! i don't really want to call myself pro-endo just because... the discourse community (as well as the non-discourse community for endogenics, though that is probably just because i, myself, have had bad experiences with said community (they're probably lovely, i just feel uncomfortable going there)) scare me a bit and have been really cruel to those who are just uncomfortable and have boundaries, but i def do align my views a lot with how you've talked about it!

also on the topic of disordered v non-disordered, it all feels like semantics to me :') also a lil icky! like! there's nothing wrong with BEING disordered, y'know... sometimes with how loud people are about how 'i'm not DISORDERED' it makes me feel like... idk... kind of an insult to those who are? idk, i don't think it's a part of discourse that needs to exist! instead of fighting over what is and isn't disordered, we... work together on destigmatizing being 'disordered'? i dunno!

anyways i hope you're doing good!!! is the school year almost up for you? i'm sure you'll enjoy a little bit of a break for the summer! (and i hope u do!)

(Thanks for the reminder about teaching!! I wanted to make an appreciation post and you indirectly reminded me!!)

1. That’s a really good way of describing it! Lately I feel like I’m best described as syscourse neutral, but also genuinely have just been moving away from labels. At this point it’s just not worth the arguments. What you describe here is a lot of my thoughts and beliefs though :)

2. I think I agree here too, though I recently got some more sources on non-disordered / disordered that I want to look into. Atm I’m of the opinion that a things like DID/OSDD and Autism are inherently disordered. I want to read those sources to see if my ideas and theories on life change. It’s always important to remain open to new information!

3. There’s about 18 days left of school (not counting weekends) (😱). I can’t fucking wait tbh. This year was hell in my personal life, and it made the school year much harder. I can’t wait for a relaxing summer and then next year 💜💜💜

[osdd-1bitch]

hey yall. half asking for advice half ranting here.

So. We're in a chat yeah? Been there for months, fun as sht. Helpful too, ton of great friends and amazing convos. Keep us company throughout the day, shoulder to cry on ect ect.

Lately, some older members have come back. One of which is the first mod, who is currently still a mod. Said mod has did, and has been making us incredibly uncomfortable.

Theyve had experiences in the earlier days of said chat with fake systems who hurt them a lot, and are now incredibly distrusting. They say the number of systems in chat is mathmatically impossible, and several members of said system are very...open about this. At least one, maybe two or more alters think we specifically are faking. We would be more alright with this if said alter wasnt incredibly aggressive about this, and apparently even the sight of us in chat is enough to make them want to front. The system has had multiple occasions of needing to leave chat for a while to keep said alter from fronting, and said alter has snapped at us before.

our experiences with mods who dont believe us have...not been good. one alter has already confronted us about syscourse, they were very chill about it and were okay with our system, but it was incredibly anxiety inducing to the fronter, who has issues with this stuff. I personally feel really bad for being uncomfortable around the system as a whole too, since they can have different opinions on whatever, but the general distrust and the fact that the alter who wishes to confront us is like that, we dont feel nearly as safe talking in chat with them around. Especially since like us they pop in daily..

Should we leave? Weve been thinking about it, the chat has been an incredible help to many of us but...its just not as safe feeling anymore.

Said system has acknowleged how their presence in really any way makes the chat much tenser and awkward, so I dont think anyone has noticed specifically.

Should we just avoid that person or leave? Im afraid a confrontation will lead to another "getting y3ll3d at for 5 min and then being banned" situation. Even the more accepting alters tiptoe around us and whatnot.

[antirealisation]

11 Question Ask Meme

I guess I was tagged by @karlacton​? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

1. What is your favourite kind of imagery/metaphor?

Fire. This is boring and predictable but like, lol, in my defence there’s a lot you can do with fire.

2. Is there a topic (or anything in particular) that you could talk about seemingly forever? If so, what?

BEST WORST SURVIVOR JAMES FUCKING LOWRY, APPARENTLY?

I think I’ve gotten to the point where I have enough to say about trauma/dissociation research, and more importantly, the ability to completely change my mind and argue against my past self, that I could do that forever, lmao. (Like, “Levine’s Somatic Experiencing is based on some weird assumptions that people seem to accept because they ‘feel right’, but also it’s legitimately helping people and it’s not like the rest of psychiatry isn’t based on some weirdass assumptions too, but also fuck “trauma is only about the body,” but also maybe there is an extent to which that’s an all-around better model than what we have now??”)

3. Are you a creative person? If so, through what medium do you express this?

Hahah, I’d like to think so? I think it’s been writing mostly, lately -- sorta alternate between writing poetry and drawing as the Main Two Things. 

Our Google Keep is full of all sorts of poems that I don’t really care to post. I should probably find a better way to organise those.

4. Are there any books that you currently want to read or movies/shows that you would like to watch? If so, what?

I keep thinking about Killing Eve (especially since we literally just saw on ad for it -- on twitch?) Watching a TV show feels like such a huge investment, though, doesn’t it?

We’re also gonna read more VanderMeer things. :V

5. Do you believe in fate, or in signs? To what extent?

Haha, ask again later? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I think half this dang blog is a deliberation on that, lmfao. 

6. What relationship dynamic/trope do you keep coming back to, again and again?

Heck.

Owner/Owned seems to be The Main One, especially where that relation (possession, if you want to play with the semantic slippage between ghostly possession and ownership, which of course you do) is leading to some sort of massive rearrangement of values, morals, priorities in -- I was gonna say the Owned one but lbr I like mutually destructive obsession spirals from both parties.

Actually, you could probably also say “mutually destructive obsession spirals” is its own thing, since it can happen without the power dynamic, lmao. Every so often, it’s just a “cry about the Alpha Couple” sort of night, you know?

7. Are you currently working on any projects? How is it coming, and what inspires you while you’re working on it?

Not reaaallyyy. Unless “Control and Lowry completely falling apart in Area X AU” becomes a goddamn project. I have lost control of my life.

There’s always the weird level where, like, okay there’s only so much time/effort I’m allowed to have for my own projects, sharing a body and all. But I also think that’s probably just an excuse.

8. What is your favourite poem and what do you think it’s about?

Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening by Robert Frost (And miles to go before I sleep)

I’m. Not even sure what I really think it’s about? It reminds me of Traveling/Wandering.

(Ace is pointing out that I get really into songs largely for the meaning in their lyrics, but then my favourite poem is just one I like on a more aesthetic/formal/sound sort of level, however you want to put it. lol)

9. Apart from the name(s) that you currently use, what would you like to be called?

I can’t think of anything? I don’t particularly avoid telling people what they should call me, and you all know the main names I use here (Serpent, Soldrin, Tristan), lol.

10. What discourse is currently raging through your community of choice, and do you care to weigh in with your opinions?

SHIPPING.

We’ve kept well away from syscourse lately, lmfao, but shipping discourse finds its way through all sorts of communities, doesn’t it? Admittedly we do also follow freedom-of-fanfic and shipcourse on twitter, so we, especially I, do seek it out a bit sometimes. But like, even our dash sometimes contains jokey posts that also sorta point to some anti-shipping, anti-kink background (as in, literally one just now), and that’s more frustrating than just knowing there’s some self-contained population that want to cover their ears to your existence.

Goddamn, I’m not gonna do some sort of massive takedown or rant, tucked into some ask meme isn’t the place for it, but considering that I said earlier that my fave dynamics are literal ownership, guess what side of “problematic” my ships tend to fall.

I joke that, if anyone is allowed to complain about Bad Shipping, it’d be the fictives that introject from them -- in which case, I also still get to complain and say that shipping awful things is okay, lmfao.

11. What things do you personally associate with your general aesthetic/~*Image*~/etc.?

Uhh I try to reblog most things that feel ~aesthetique~ to me. Fire, canines, nature paths, sunsets, red. Certain sorts of angel symbolism, ouroboros.

You know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[super-rainbows]

uiytbrvecwe

Rainbow: okay 1: I’m glad to get to talk to you, lol. but 2: tumblr is bad. I’m not gonna say “delete this tumblr”, but like. seriously. 

Ethan: *shrugs* I’m following like a few thousand people (or more). It would take forever to unfollow everyone who posts discourse or anything.

Rainbow: yeah.

Ethan: Not to mention, I don’t want to unfollow someone who’s like 90% good posts but 10% upsetting things.

Rainbow: yeah, I know. it would be pretty impractical to unfollow everyone who’s ever transphobic/exclusionary/ableist/whatever. and that would be a little similar to the people who are like “if you ever reblog any post originally written by anyone who follows anyone who’s ever written/reblogged/liked a Bad Post then you are also Permanently Bad!!” etc. your death tumblr is like 99.9% fine though, lol. you should just make a completely positive blog or something.

Ethan: Yeah, I have considered it, but I don’t know if I could completely stick to the theme(s) or if I’d completely avoid anything upsetting.

Rainbow: most people tag “discourse” though, don’t they? so you could blacklist that or any variants?

Ethan: I’m pretty sure there’s a ton of variants. I only know of “acecourse” and “syscourse”, but there must be one for like every community or subculture.

Rainbow: well, a lot of them don’t get their own name, so it’s not “shipcourse”, it’s just “discourse” (I think), and not “transcourse”, just “discourse” or whatever. (there’s too many things that one could be, anyway) I guess just see what people tag things like that as? idk. anyway, are you okay?

Ethan: Yeah, I guess. Are you?

Rainbow: yeah, idk. I don’t like the weird feeling.

Ethan: Me neither. I think it’s at least partially due to being in America? As in, it’s new and different so it’s disconnecting me/us from reality. It was the same whenever my dad visited before.

Rainbow: yeah, that is likely it. I hope it wears off before we go back. I don’t want it to be like this never happened.

Ethan: It does kinda make adjusting to things easier. :P

Rainbow: yeah, but it’s annoying for fun things to have just effectively never happened. also, just, weird feeling. I don’t like it.

Ethan: I know. *shrugs* I can’t control it or anything. I am trying, but nothing makes a difference.

Rainbow: I know. don’t worry. anyway, didn’t you want to write things, or at least think about it? lol

Ethan: Yeah, I’ve been trying. :P

Rainbow: to like mentally get yourself to do it?

Ethan: Yeah. I’m getting closer.

Rainbow: lol. (I’m not laughing at you as such, I do think you’re doing great)

Ethan: Thanks. :P

Rainbow: do you think caffeine pills are actually making you feel more in reality, or just making you feel a familiar kind of fucked up? lol

Ethan: I have no idea. I kinda lean more towards the latter.

Rainbow: I feel bad for that robot in this movie. D:

Ethan: I think we’re meant to feel bad for him. I think he’s the one good robot, or something like that.

Rainbow: ^ 

Jamie: This movie is confusing. I just don’t know who’s good and who’s bad.

Ethan: I think it would be easier if we were properly paying attention.

Jamie: I mean it reminds me of every season of Digimon: “AI is Perfect and Rational and humans are Bad and Impure and so humans must be destroyed” but then the humans win because of emotions or something and because destroying humans is actually bad. :P

Rainbow: lol

Jamie: Just, if AI is “objectively better” then why is it bad to destroy humans? It’s only bad from the humans’ point of view because humans have the emotions thing. The point I’m making is that they present “AI destroying humanity and taking over the world” as the objectively good outcome and give evidence for that, but then they’re like “actually no” because humans don’t like that idea. It seems inconsistent.

Rainbow: lol

Ethan: We (the audience) are meant to assume that destroying humans is bad (regardless of evidence) because we are humans. That’s basically it, I’m pretty sure. In the same way as people are expected to want the main male character and main female character to end up together, or whatever. As in, that’s what people are “supposed to” think/want etc. Except “humanity shouldn’t be destroyed” makes more sense to expect people to automatically think than “the guy and his friend who’s a girl should end up together”. (Though I do like it when people end up together)

Rainbow: !!! let’s complain about that movie we watched last night!

Ethan: Yes!

Rainbow: like?? the one movie ever where the guy and his best friend (who are of compatible genders+orientations) don’t end up together in the end also just so happens to be the one movie ever where they’re gay? like seriously?

Ethan: Exactly! As you said, in a straight movie, the two main characters remaining friends instead of being together would be good to see, because the being together in the end thing has been done a million times already. But a movie with two gay main characters has barely been done ever at all, so it would make more sense to let them have the cliche ending thing since that hasn’t been done before. “Let’s just stay friends” stops seeming progressive and seems more like a cop-out.

Rainbow: yeah exactly. though to be fair I didn’t totally get what they were saying.

Ethan: I’m pretty sure it was “let’s stay friends”, as opposed to “we should stay friends but let’s be together anyway”, because they hugged as opposed to kissing. Even if it was the latter, it was too ambiguous, I think.

Rainbow: if it was the latter I think that would’ve been good since they’d be calling attention to the potential issues.

Jamie: The good robot is actually bad, isn’t it?! Is it? Oh, wait, what? Oh, there it is, there’s the speech, lol. “humans must be destroyed because they’re irrational”. Oh!!! He is bad! I think?

Rainbow: didn’t she reprogram him though?? so like that would be what caused him to become bad?

Ethan: I think that’s it. This would be much less confusing if we were properly paying attention. :P

Jamie: Wait what? Was he just pretending to be bad???

Ethan: Oh, yeah, he was! He pretended so that he could get them away from the actual bad robot.

Jamie: Oh, okay. How are they gonna kill the robot when she like... Is the building?

Rainbow: why did they program gender into robots?

Jamie: lol. I think it makes it easier for humans, idk. The other robot can do it! Yay!

Rainbow: why do they all just... conveniently turn red whenever they’re being evil?

Jamie: Didn’t the guy who programmed them know they’d do that eventually? So he probably did that in order to make it easier to defeat them.

Rainbow: self-destruct button. remotely-activated self-destruct.

Jamie: lol

Rainbow: I’m just saying.

Jamie: I think it was too late by the time he anticipated that? idk

[sophieinwonderland]

man it has been wild lately for the plural community 😵‍💫, ive been avoiding tulpa discourse like the plague because people saying things like: you're a terrible ableist/racist person and you should know better on who to trust (me, a autistic person, with paranoia, and trauma, and who is never sure how Im supposed to understand who is right and who is wrong, just because someone said im supposed to) have not been good for my mental health. but I can't really escape it because ill just be looking for positive plural stuff but its all people want to talk about. I feel like we could be doing more productive things instead of trying to rip each others throats out tbh.

Yeah, things have gotten pretty terrible awful.

If you haven't yet, I would highly advise blocking the #syscourse tag for the time being.

You know personally, when it comes to figuring out who to trust, I tend to not trust people who are namecalling me. 🤷‍♀️