#baatar junior

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5, 6, 11, 22 for Baatar Jr.

Hi!!! Thanks for the ask! I've actually been missing Baatar lately!

5. Best personality trait

If someone asked Baatar directly, he would probably say intelligence without giving the question much thought. Growing up in the Metal Clan as a nonbender, he was often defined by what he couldn't do, so in opposition to that, he tried to build his identity around what he could. And Baatar could study and build and calculate, so being "the smart guy" is how he tried to carve out an identity in his family and in Zaofu as a whole, though even in that, he still existed in the shadow of his father.

If you asked me, though, I think Baatar's best quality is his devotion. Whether it's his work as an engineer or his relationship with Kuvira, he gives all of himself to whatever he chooses to pursue, and I think that's a rare and wonderful way of being.

6. Worst personality trait.

I'd have to say spitefulness. This man's mean streak is a mile long and you really see it in his interactions with his parents during book 4. I think it stems from him feeling slighted and overlooked throughout his childhood, years of unspoken resentment building up until it came to a head in a really ugly way once he was in a position of relative power.

11. Faceclaim for the role

Ooh, this one is tough! The only LOK character I've fancasted is Jargala.

But maybe Suraj Sharma?

(I think Baatar is better looking than people often give him credit for, so in my opinion this could work!)

22. Best physical feature?

Baatar would probably say his height, but I think his eyes (and his eyebrows, for that matter) are lovely.

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Her me out!

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Becaue I have it and because I do it mostly on every show I watch, here are my opinion that besides Korra (cause everyone now she has PTSD) my both favorite characters have their mental health issues . I talking about Kuvira and Suyin.

About Suyin Beifong :

Suyin is known as a person with a lot trouble in her childhood. She hanged around with a bunch of criminals, stolen stuff and supported them doing their robberys. She already told that she and Lin fight for their mother's attention and love in their own way. Its a thing I often did as child , doing bad things to get attention, cause my biological mother didn't gave me enough. Toph was really busy being a cop and I would bet she often let Lin watch over Suyin when they was little kids. I can imagine that Lin was often overwhelmed to handel this. Cause she had to deal with her own problems, getting attention and love from Toph. I guess that both have mental issues but I will here talking about Suyin. The results of this childhood make her to a overprotective character. Yes she always supports the steps of her children but on the other hand she can't really let them go. It's a sign that she is scared to losing people she cares and loves. That fact that she lock down the whole city and her estate is for me a sign to that she is pretty scared that bad things could happen and they will happen like getting betrayed from Aiwei, Baatar Junior and Kuvira. But she is still a person who give others a second chance or more and see always the good in someone (an other behavior I have with BPD to see always the best in people and hope they will change, cause I don't want to lose them) She also have really often a scared facial expression ( in my opinion it's even more worse in RofE) that something always is their that scares here and make her feel overwhelmed . So I believe that Suyin have mental issues like PTSD, anxiety disorder and maybe a bit BPD (cause Toph wasn't their in ger younger years and we all know that especially in the years when kids are toddlers they need a lot near and love from their parents and when this isn't given that's a trigger to get mental issues)

About Kuvira:

Kuvira's life starts already with a situation I can really relate a lot. Being rejected from her biological parents, cause they couldn't deal with her anger issues. But thats not all they looked Kuvira in her room when she had done bad things and don't let her out before she saw her mistakes by herself. Well wie never saw it and its more my opinion but I bet that her parents also punish her with violence. That would explain why Kuvira is scared when Korra touch her and keep distance to her. It's a normal reaction someone gives when they don't allow that they deserve good and think they have to fight for their own, plus wearing that gloves is a since too she don't will touch others cause she have this sensitive issues (I had really long problems to hug others, cause I was on the opinion I don't deserve it) . We also saw she is growing up as "adopted" child in a othe family. Again she is the different one, the one who get raised separately and not really part of this family, try again to fight for love. (I am grown up as child in a forster family after my biological mother couldn't handle me. And it was and it still is hard to see my foster parents and their biological son's as family, cause I often don't feeling part of it and I have issues to allow me that because I learned as toddler to fight for my own after my birth mother did violence stuff with me ) Kuvira is also scared like Suyin to lose, what she loves and in the other way she push away what she loves to protect her self getting hurt (try to kill Baatar Jr). It's a typical reaction of a person (like me) have with BPD. So yes I believe that Kuvira also have BPD, PTSD cause of that what happened in her childhood. Plus she is scared like Suyin to lose everything important in her life so it is also an anxiety disorder.

As we can see again Suyin and Kuvira pretty similar to each other. A reason more why I ship them. Because they need each other more than every thing else. Or did you can tell me why Suyin allow to get Kuvira back at Zaofu (especially after Junior clearly says he won't see Kuvira again) That's enough a sign for me that Suyin can't live without Kuvira, loves her and hope again with a second chance everything will be okay.

[zuzus-ponytail]

broke: “suyin is sokka and toph’s daughter.”

gross. they are siblings. that’s like saying kya is katara and sokka’s daughter.

what even is the reasoning behind this claim? suyin has darker skin, therefore her dad MUST be sokka? they don’t even look alike, nor do they share any traits. suyin was made from clay, she doesn’t HAVE a father. and sokka would never be an absent father, dude’s been a father figure since he was twelve & he would never stand for toph sending su to live with her parents. also, how on earth would sokka’s genes create something so dreadful as suyin?

woke: “baatar jr. is sokka’s grandson.”

they’re identical & have similar energy. logical geniuses with a thing for more than slightly fruity women who put duty above all else. also overshadowed by their dads & younger siblings.

bespoke: “baatar is sokka and suki’s son.”

i’ve seen sokka and baatar junior’s resemblance used as an argument for why sokka is suyin’s father, and i think that’s just a very… weak point to make. he’s baatar jr. and takes after his father, bataar, in almost every way.

& that includes his looks.

if anybody is going to be sokka’s kid, it’s baatar.

anyways, that’s my stance on the subject :-)

i don’t really think that sokka and suki would have had kids, they’re the most responsible & logical members of the gaang and i reckon they would’ve gone ‘hm. let’s focus on actually fixing the world before we even think about bringing a child into this.’ also, they’re definitely the Cool Aunt & Uncle. they get to have great fun with their nieces and nephews, and can spoil them rotten & teach them all their non-bending fighting techniques that the rest of the gaang can’t, but at the end of the day, they can give them back to their parents.

[tamras-shieldmaiden]

I’m taking my shipper hat off for a moment to delve into an aspect of Kuvira’s personality that I would typically overlook since, admittedly, as common knowledge for anyone who has been following my blog for a while, I don’t care much for Kuvira’s and Bataar Jr.’s relationship beyond what pertains to the facts of her story. However, since I've been recently paying a closer look to her childhood by analyzing key moments of her upbringing that Ruins of the Empire provided, I think that the way those events shaped her personality may have led her to the choices we see her taking regarding her personal life. Given the parallels between Baatar Jr.'s parents and him and Kuvira, we can joke, saying that he might have chosen Kuvira as a romantic partner because of “mommy issues," but what about Kuvira? What if Kuvira's choice of Baatar as a partner reflects her own issues, specifically regarding her relationship with her father?  Did Kuvira choose Junior to compensate for the absence of a caring and loving father? Kuvira’s insecurities have been discussed at length before, but I think this is an angle worth exploring, so let’s see if this notion holds any water. 

So I wondered if Kuvira’s traumatic experiences with her biological father may have impacted the traits she wished for in a romantic partner and if Junior fulfilled those traits. Before getting into the specifics, you may notice that I’m avoiding the term “daddy issues” because, after a quick search, I found out that there is no such psychological term but rather what she might experience could fall under attachment disorder.

So back to the topic at hand, if Kuvira’s traumatic experiences primed her to seek a partner to compensate for the absence of a healthy relationship with her father, perhaps what Junior brought to the table coincided with what she sought. It would’ve been difficult for Kuvira not to appreciate the unwavering way (to a fault) that Junior supported and believed in her, in stark contrast to the total loss of confidence her father had in her, manifested in her abandonment. This abandonment led her to crave stability, loyalty, and trust, and we can assume Baatar Jr. supplied all of these things in abundance by the way he talked about her to others and through his behavior. She wanted someone who would support and believe in her, something he had done since they left Zaofu, when he defied his mother's wishes and de facto elected Kuvira over his family. Ironically, it was Kuvira at the warehouse who ended up doing what she feared and abandoned Baatar Jr. via spirit weapon blast for her goal of uniting the EK.

In Zaofu, despite having been taken in by Suyin and her husband Baatar Sr., Kuvira lacked proper parental figures to replace the ones she lost since she never felt truly part of the family. It’s not a stretch to believe she yearned to relive the experience of feeling she belonged to a family in the proper sense, even if it was an imperfect one. Bonding with Junior could’ve been the next best thing, especially during the formative years of their adolescence, when they began noticing what Suyin did and said more closely, leading them to analyze her ideology and her actions, realizing that her words and her actions didn’t necessarily align when it didn’t suit her interests. It cannot be a coincidence that of all of Suyin’s children, the ones who wound up ideologically radicalized in the household were Junior and Kuvira, and I have my own theory as to why this happened. As the eldest children, they were allowed access to the day-to-day ins and outs of administering the city and were entrusted with important positions within the administration. They were part of Zaofu’s circle of trusted people (this can explain how they knew and were connected to the influential people who left with them when they deserted Zaofu). Baatar Jr. worked closely with his father on everything related to the city’s infrastructure. Kuvira, as guard captain, was a key component of the security forces safeguarding the city from internal and external threats. As far as we know, none of their other siblings were involved in any capacity in running the city like they did, so they had a privileged view of Suyin, not only as their mother but also as the administrator and political leader of Zaofu. 

I've posited before that either by conscious or unconscious choice, Kuvira emulated Suyin, and one of the ways she manifested this pattern was in the choice of Baatar Jr. as her romantic partner. He brought the built-in advantages of his knowledge and skills as an inventor and engineer to her grand plan, similar to Suyin and the skills that Baatar Sr. had, which allowed Zaofu to be the city Suyin envisioned. Kuvira wanted the same unwavering support Suyin had with her husband and also the ability to wield power without questioning as Su did, and Baatar Jr. provided this to Kuvira. This is not to say she didn't love him because I think she did, or at least she believed she did, since besides their bond growing up in Zaofu and developing similar ideologies, he provided the validation to counter the insecurity borne of her parental trauma, so it made it easier for her to develop feelings for him. She loved the way he validated her and her choices, and probably it was something she reciprocated since he had his own insecurities to deal with, so they became each other’s supporters, cheerleaders, and enablers. These aren't the things she might've actually needed from a partner, because we can assume that part of the unequivocal support he provided meant shielding her from accountability and from confronting her with the harsh truths of the dictatorship they led, something that in the end became a fatal flaw that affected both their relationship and their rule over the Earth Kingdom.

So, does this answer the original question? Kuvira’s trauma left an indelible mark on her psyche, so I think this could have predisposed her to seek and develop romantic feelings and attachment to someone who could make her feel validated and secure, and to me, Baatar Jr. fulfilled these needs for her. I’m not saying she didn’t have genuine romantic feelings towards him, but I do believe these factors weighed heavily on her choice because, for once in her life, she finally had someone who made her feel loved and cared for.

[ourimpavidheroine]

Where did you come up with the idea of Ikki and Bataar Junior anyhow?

I was thinking about my answer for this and then I forgot it was in my inbox, so my apologies for the delay in answering!

I have, on occasion, set myself goals when I've been writing. I wanted to write a successful epistolary story, which is where Please Excuse My Penmanship came about. I also wanted to do a 30 day prompt collection, and I've done that more than once.

That being said, sometimes it's fun to write crack. Writing that Ginger (Bolin's co-star) was a secret assassin was nothing but crack, it was just nonsense that @scarlettfire mentioned that I thought was hilarious and immediately wrote it down. I have absolutely enjoyed reading plenty of crack in my day, including crackships.

Could I write a crackship that was just fun, that I didn't need to justify? Of course. I've already done that. Zuko's little sister Kiyi and Bumi II, for one. There are others, if you care to look for them. Why can't I have fun when writing, right?

But the challenge I set for myself with I Do Not Ask the Night for Explanations was to take what was certainly a crackship, something that had zero basis whatsoever in canon, and justify it into something readers would accept as canon (or at least canon-adjacent).

I don't think Ikki and Huan is necessarily a crackship. We do, after all, see them interact in canon. Granted, Ikki is still a child in canon, but none of us remain children forever, after all. I took their relationship forward 10 years, took their canon characters - we know a lot about Ikki, not so much about Huan, but we do know something - and aged them up in all ways. Ikki, who is the one canonically the most like her grandfather and Huan, who is in his own world, the outcast of the Beifong siblings. They were not a stretch as a couple, or at least not for me.

But Baatar Jr. He was a tricky one. For one thing, he and Ikki never interact in canon - she's there in Asami's factory with him at the end but she's in the background and I think it's safe to assume that in the moment he would not be chatting up an unknown eleven year old, and she certainly would not have been allowed to talk to him.

When I wrote IDNAtNfE, it was long before the comics came out; the last we knew of Baatar was that he had helped bring down the Colossus (despite his murder!fiance) and his mother had forgiven him. He's not at Varrick and Zhu Li's wedding (no great surprise there, ahem) and his fate was never specified in the show itself. I assumed he and Kuvira would both be imprisoned (apparently Bryke feels that military dictatorship, wholesale murder and destruction of a city means house arrest for him and parole for her, but uh, whatever). I had thought about him after the show, however, especially since I had written so much about the Beifongs. That being said, in all of my earlier work he was just The Brother In Jail That We Don't Talk About.

He clearly wasn't as culpable in canon as Kuvira (whom I would toss in a special prison that kept her from bending for the rest of her life but I guess what's good for Zaheer isn't good for Kuvira) so I thought, what would happen to him if he were released from prison? Where would he go? Republic City? Eh. No. Zaofu? GOD NO.

So I sent him to his brother, up in the Northern Air Temple. And then I just let the story unfold through a few ficlets, and how it unfolded was that he caught feelings for his brother's lover, a woman who did not like him and only put up with him being there because a)she loves his brother and wants his brother's happiness and b)is an airbender and actually believes in airbender tenets, which include peace/forgiveness/compassion.

To be clear, I absolutely pantsed those ficlets, rather than plotted them. Baatar and Ikki was never the plan. I just let it happen as I went.

On a normal basis I don't feel a great need to justify crackships. Why? That's exactly what makes them crack. Would Kiyi sleep with a man young enough to be her son, despite her position in the Fire Nation (and perhaps an expected marriage)? Who cares. Crackship.

But what if I didn't want Baatar and Ikki to be a crackship? It wouldn't be canon, for sure (I certainly never thought it would be; if Bryke weren't entrenched in gay-specific homophobia Wuko could conceivably be canon one day, but obviously not Ikki and Baatar) but I thought, could I possibly make it something real? Something that readers would buy as plausible? Something that they would actually start to ship? (None of my long-term readers did when I started. In fact, all of them were pretty up front that they were not buying it, read the comments as the IDNAtNfE goes on, they are hilarious.) That was my goal when I actually started to write IDNAtNfE, and I do think I accomplished it.

[empirelead-a]

why do you ship baavira?? dont you know that's inc*st? and problematic??

1) I have many reasons why I ship them together, but really, most of them are based from my own headcanons so I’ll spare you some of the details. Anyways, I like how soft Kuvira gets when she’s around Baatar, allowing herself to let her guard down and be vulnerable, like she was the first one to tell Opal they’re getting married without hesitation. I just like how they’re not all over each other like how most couples are on television, like there is already familiarity between them. Also, I am a bit of a sucker for childhood friends to lovers trope.

2) Context matters and context has already shown Kuvira NEVER once felt like she was a part of the Beifong Family...nor did they ever treated her as such; both the comics and the show has already made it very clear Suyin literally failed to raise her and how she has NO problem throwing her aside all the while welcoming Baatar Junior back because he is her son and they will get through this together as a “family”, so why wasn’t the same given to Kuvira? Hmm...oh yeah...where was she in the family picture? Why wasn’t she introduced as one of Suyin’s kids when Korra and her friends were being shown around? They were literally in the same room for a second. So pardon me for literally having comprehension skill.

I’m just going to assume you’re the same anon from earlier. You don’t have to like me and I don’t really give a damn if you throw a little fit in my inbox, go ahead and do it because I thought it was funny the first time and I still think it’s funny now, but it really doesn’t take much to block me, ya know? Or blacklist me. This isn’t Twitter. 

[toranoya]

Wei was going to push Junior back down again, but he was already up. So much for not tearing his new wound. “Relax, you’re home. How long you’re staying may be another matter.” Wei said as he studied his older sibling. His concern seemed genuine, but then, he had lied before.

“He is breathing and almost seems to be like having a fever.” Wei explained as Wing shifted and moaned. “Which reminds me, water and fruit.” Wei said as he tossed the two items to Baatar. “And yes, Opal told her, but you’re too late. We’re surrounded. We got word out to Republic City before they cut the radio lines though.”

Baatar's revenge

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[avatarconlangs]

CONTINUE THE PROJECT - P.2

EARTH-ESE DICTIONARY: http://lexicon.ga/344 NOTE: Varrick is fluent in Earth-ese in both the Northern and Southern dialects. Kuvira and Baatar Junior both have a Zhaofu Accent which I’ve dictated to be Southern because the show never actually tells us where Zhaofu is.

Kuvira: “Nuancha luga? Lu senya jeichong?” “What happened? Were we attacked?” “[What-completed] [happened]? [Yes.or.no] [attacked] [1st-plural]?”

Varrick: “Se! Low gong-nongfuwi jeichong! Mi sao lopan. Jei fao makacong suwi chom.” “No! We were spirit-vined! But don’t worry! I’m putting the kibosh on this project.” “[False]! [Who] [vine-spirit] [1st-plural]! [But] [command] [calm]! [1st] [put] [kibosh-outside] [project-this].”

Kuvira: “Se. Lu su rogen nuan-gu tong jeichong fanyeilong lalra zuling?” “No, you’re not. Do you realise what we could do with this kind of power?” “[False]. [Yes.or.no] [2nd] [realise] [what-possible] [that] [1st-plural] [use-for] [kind.of] [power]?”

Varrick: “Ghing! Ci jeichong yonyozingboameers ca! Sa sohkuru pesa ca?” “Yes! I do! And that’s why we gotta put an end to it! What if it fell into the wrong hands?” “[True]! [And] [1st-plural] [end-needed-therefore] [3rd.nonhuman]! [The] [wrong-hypothetical] [take] [3rd.nonhuman]?”

Baatar Junior: “Tu su long su su long yai mong-gu?” “Since when does that matter to you?” “ [Question] [time] [that] [you] [to/opinion] [that] [be] [important]?"

[sailorfables]

as someone who dislikes the theory of suyin being sokka’s daughter, I can’t describe the SELF BETRAYAL I feel whenever I confuse baatar jr with sokka in fanarts and stuff

[wishingforatypewriter]

1, 21, and 31 for Baatar Jr

Thanks for the ask! I actually really miss writing about Baatar.

Canon I outright reject

This was from the comics, but I vehemently reject the idea that Baatar became okay with people calling him junior again after he reunited with his family. It implies that he was only frustrated with living in his father's shadow because Kuvira manipulated him into feeling that way and that does his whole character a disservice. I cannot even describe how hard I cringed when Kuvira referred to him as "Baatar Junior" in the comics. I almost stopped reading then and there.

21. Drink of choice (not just alcoholic)

I'm not gonna lie, I think this man is a bit of a lightweight. Anything stronger than moonpeach wine and he's a little tipsy at least. Still, he indulges in Earth Kingdom soju every now and then.

On the nonalcoholic side, you'll always catch him with a huge thermos of chrysanthemum tea when he's going to be in his engineering workshop for long stretches of time.

31. If the had a tumblr what would it look like?

Ooh, I love this question! I think Baatar's page would be firmly on the science side of Tumblr. He'd post his designs and such every now and then, but his page would mostly be dedicated to answering asks people send in with random engineering/physics/architecture questions. He'd also reblog scientifically questionable posts with multi-paragraph explanations about how the phenomenon in question actually works.

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[blairarden]

Otter Penguin

SUMMARY: Baby Baatar Jr. loves his toy otter penguin

CHARACTERS: Baatar Jr., Baatar Sr., Suyin, Sokka

PAIRINGS: Baatar Sr./Suyin

Other notes: Baatar Sr. is Sokka and Suki's son

Baatar Sr. and his wife, Su, were enjoying some time with their 12-month-old son after lunch when there was suddenly a knock on the door.

"Oh, were we expecting anyone?" Su asked, looking at her husband in confusion.

"Not that I know of," Baatar Sr. responded, feeling as confused as Su looked.

Baatar Sr. opened the door to find his father, who he hadn't been expecting for a few more weeks.

"Dad?" Baatar Sr. exclaimed in shock, immediately pulling his father in for a hug. "What are you doing here? I thought you had chief stuff to do."

"I got off early," Sokka explained with a smile, as Baatar Sr. ushered him into the living room. "How are my beautiful daughter-in-law and handsome grandson?"

"We're doing well, Uncle Sokka," Su said, hugging her father-in-law. "Junior, say hi to Grandpa."

"Hi, Gwampa," Baatar Jr. greeted adorably.

"Hi, little otter penguin," Sokka said, picking his grandson up and snuggling him close before turning to Baatar Sr. and Su. "Isn't he a tiny bit young to be speaking this well?"

"Probably," Su chuckled.

"You're a little smartie-pants, aren't you, Junior?" Sokka jokingly asked his grandson.

"Junior smart pants," Baatar Jr. repeated with a nod.

"Junior go down now pweeze?" the small child asked his grandfather after a few moments.

"Sure, buddy," Sokka chuckled, placing his grandson down onto the floor. Baatar Jr. took a couple of shaky steps before falling down and ultimately deciding to crawl instead.

"He can speak in sentences, but walking's still a bit of a challenge," Su chuckled.

"No, no, no. Not in your mouth, Jun," Baatar Sr. said, hurrying over to his son who was attempting to put a slipper in his mouth. "Here," he placed a new set of stacking rings in front of the small boy. "Let's play with this instead."

"Pay this instead," Baatar Jr. repeated, looking at the toy in excitement, dragging his favorite otter penguin stuffed animal with him.

Baatar Sr. laughed. “He’s had that toy for four months and I’ve already had to stitch it back together twice,” he said. “He takes it with him everywhere .”

“I tried to throw it away after it broke the second time,” Su stated. “But he was so miserable when he couldn’t find it that I had to give it back.”

“Why not get him a new replacement one?” Sokka asked.

“Oh, we tried,” Baatar Sr. said. “He knows the difference.”

“Watch this,” Su said, picking up a new otter penguin identical to the one Baatar Jr. had in his hands except for the stains and tears and approaching her son who was sitting next to his otter penguin stuffed animal and playing with the stacking rings. “Hi, Junior. Can Mommy see your otter penguin for a second.”

Baatar Jr. reluctantly handed the toy to his mother.

“Junior’s turn now pweeze? Junior’s turn now pweeze?” the child asked desperately the moment his mother took the toy from him. 

“Here you go, sweetie,” Su said, discreetly switching the two toys and handing Baatar Jr. the new one.

Baatar Jr. quickly took the toy and cuddled it close for a moment before suddenly throwing the toy and bursting into tears.

“What’s wrong, sweetheart?” Su cooed, attempting to hand the new toy back to her son.

“No! No! Want otto penwin!” Baatar Jr. scream-cried.

“This is otter penguin, sweetie,” Su said gently.

“No! Not otto penwin! Want otto penwin!” Baatar Jr. continued crying.

“Here you go, buddy,” Baatar Sr. said, handing Baatar Jr. his old otter penguin toy. “You know which one is yours, don’t you?”

Baatar Jr. made desperate grabby hands at the toy. “Otto penwin! Otto penwin!” He immediately cuddled his toy close as though he hadn’t seen it in months.

“Told ya,” Su said to Sokka with a smirk.

“Well, he is a smart kid,” Sokka chuckled. "Someone had to inherit my genius."

[xdiana97x]

Why Kuvira is my most beloved and comfort character from Legend of Korra I have ever met and why I ship Suyin and Kuvira.

This breaks me every time cause I had an horrible childhood before I got adopted. I often had and after all have issues to see my foster parents and their biological son's as family.

Kuvira is some one who always try to help in her own way, that she's afraid lose people that she care for It's a habit I have, I try to find always a solution for the people around me to make them happy and I'm tired loose people. (YES she try to kill Baatar Jr, but she was under heavy pressure, overwhelmed by her own issues in the end and just wanted to find order. But especially in Runis of the Empire we can see more about the side she change and feel sorry for everything she did.)

I'm a person who got diagnosed in my early twentys with PTSD, BPD and heavy depression. May it's more my opinion but I see in Kuvira mental health issues too. Most because of her childhood. The fact that Suyin made also mistakes with her are reasons why it make sense for me and that she completely lock down her feelings before she fired that kannon (It's a thing what I do when I gave to make big and heavy decisions)

All of this is my personal opinion and my head canon but I think that Su had Kuvira maybe titeld as "daughter" for people that ask for and give statement for public but never seen her as one she more saw her self in Kuvira and try to give her everything . Suyin gave Kuvira the opportunity to join her guards, let her rank up to the captain position and I guess Kuvira was also teached for political stuff to lead Zaofu some day and she let Kuvira work in the end as her own bodyguard (because why the f.... Kuvira is around Su when she had that discussion with Tenzin and Raiko when she would be just a simple guard) and they both spend a lot time together with out family , before Suyin made the decision to not help the earth kingdom. (I mean Kuvira is in S3 never seen as part of the family and is not part of the family picture on her desk or when they have dinner she also isn't around to keep her out and that's make for me clear she is not her daughter ).

Opal ask about later in Runis of the Empire Su this and she didn't give a real answer to this. She just say it's not the right time now and is some where with her throughs. I mean look how sad she look here, or should I say worried about her beloved baby girl. And Su set everything on it to get Kuvira back at home and ignore the fact that Junior will never see Kuvira again. Cause Su just realized she can't live without her.

This here are also not away I would look at my "daughter". The simeles are to obvious that there is more.

AFTER ALL THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.

Plus:

I know many are disgusted because of the age gab and the "she raised her like a daughter" thing. But tbh If Kuvira would be a true part and adoptive daughter, she would not go with Baatar Jr in relationship and would see him as brother. So please go away with this arguments. Kuvira never saw Su really as Mother. The thing between Baatar Jr and Kuvira is for me more like an committed that Su wanted in the beginning before Kuvira did her own thing and take Junior with her , to give her a better spotlight in the publicity.

Oh and I can say there is a really good fan comic "Young Kuvira" made by @mashersan that explains a lot more why Suvira is something.

[sifuhotthem]

I think we, as a society, should hold that buttface of Bataar Junior more accountable than we do: he is not blinded by his love for Kuvira, nor he even seemed worried about their “hard truths” and whether he would have chosen Kuvira’s life or the Empire (I believed he would have acted differently than Kuvira), he was never “brainwashed” as Su said nor morally conflicted. I hate the retoric Su always brought up of the poor Bataar fooled by the evil Kuvira: she never lied to him, they always worked together. And Su was, unlikely what even Kuvira said in Ruins of The Empire, a bad mother indeed to Kuvira because throughout the entire season 4 she never showed her the same readiness to forgive her she showed Bataar. Su doesn’t love Kuvira as her daughter and it fucking shows and I hate that she is portrayed as a good mom. Su’a attitude towards Kuvira, of course, doesn’t not justify her action nor it puts them into a context (the way, instead, the trauma Ozai perpetuated on Azula does indeed explain the reason of every crime she committed), but Kuvira should had have the right to be mad at Su for the way she made her feel like an outcast. Plus doesn’t anyone think that “the rift” that was created between Suyin and Kuvira was a little bit rushed? Su is fierce and stubborn, so it’s not oof her outburst, but it seems like she never reached out Kuvira nor Baatar ane it does not sit right with me: I mean, Suyin was depicted in seasons 3 as a woman who believed in a person growth. I headcanon that she basically tried to reason with them for almost two years (plus their denial made her so sad, it broke her kids hearths: that’s why Opal and the twins hate them in the first place, even before the reality of the Empire came out) and only after them she understood that it was impossible to make them step down.

[tamras-shieldmaiden]

Heyo, Lady Oscar! I'm excited to see what you have to share! I'll do a separate ask for each character (six in total), to keep things simple.

So for this first ask... well, I have to start with Kuvira, of course~

Okay! Let’s do the thing starting with my main girl, Kuvira. *cracks knuckles*

1. Sexuality headcanon 

I've been headcanoning Kuvira as bisexual since I began writing fanfics about her. I personally don't see Baatar Jr. as a beard in their relationship because she seemed to sincerely care about him in canon (until she didn't, lol!) I also don't buy the comphet argument because IMHO, it doesn't fit her personality. I think she's demiromantic, and specifically with Asami and Baatar Jr. I can see her as sapiosexual. She surrounded herself with three intelligent people in the likes of Baatar Jr, Varrick and Zhu Li (and a token himbo, Bolin) on her inner circle so I believe she has a thing for intelligence. Fandom usually headcanons her as a top or dom but I see her more of a switch, especially with Asami and Korra, and between them it's pretty much an endless battle for dominance in the bedroom. 😏

I also lowkey ship her with Mako who I also headcanon as bi so it’s a Bi4Bi scenario, and in this case she’s more of a top because I do agree with the headcanon that Mako is more of a bottom. Fun fact: her voice actress Zelda Williams is bi, as it is Janet Varney, Korra’s VA.  

2. OTP

Oooh, this is a tough one because although OTP stands for “One True Pairing” I ship her pretty much equally with both Asami and Korra. With Korra, I indulge in the angsty, dramatic side of things. They have so many parallels that are ingrained in canon that it makes for an interesting exercise to explore the ways they resemble each other and in the ways their differences serve to complement and balance each other. It’s basically a lot of “the sunshine who can kill you and the badass who can kill you” relationship meme with these two. 🤣

With Asami I play on “what if” canon divergence scenarios which make for more lighthearted and flirty situations. They make for such an amazing power couple that is just too darned good. Plus their sexual chemistry is off the roof, a “can’t keep their hands off each other” kind of chemistry that's way too much fun. 😉

3. BROTP

Although he's the romantic interest in canon, I headcanon Junior as more of a second in command/partner in crime than as significant other material and they’re very much BROTP in my stories. Jinora is my other candidate as BROTP for Kuvira in a Republic City setting because Kuvira is a jock/dancer/soldier who is also cunning, smart, and well versed in strategy,  so I can see her bonding with Jinora over books and history. And of course, my beloved Lin Beifong and Kuvira would bond by swapping stories and gossip about Suyin, and boy I bet they both have a lot to talk about Su. I think they would realize they have more in common than they think since they’re both the type to bottle up their emotions and to put their work before everything else, and they both wanted to impress their maternal figures. Lin would be an excellent mentor and friend for Kuvira, since Lin won't take crap from anyone so shr would keep Kuvira in the straight and narrow with her no nonsense attitude.

4. NOTP

I basically don’t ship her with any of the Beifongs but the big NOTP for me is Suyin. I just can’t shake the mentor/protege relationship off my mind to see them even remotely romantic. From an objective standpoint, I can see the appeal with all their drama but it's a big nope for me.

5. First headcanon that pops into my head?

She’s a sleepwalker. Her childhood trauma manifested in sleepwalking which was pretty severe during her first years with the Beifongs but she grew out if it gradually as she grew up. Following the events of Book 4 and Ruins of the Empire which ends with her in house arrest, her sleepwalking came back but not as bad as when she was a child, which it’s fortunate because I can’t imagine the mess she would leave behind while bending in her sleep. 😱

6: favorite line from this character 

"I owe the Avatar my life. Her power is beyond anything I could ever hope to achieve. I'll accept  whatever punishment the world sees fit”. 

This is from The Last Stand. Although the entire scene with Korra and Kuvira in the Spirit World is amazing since we get to witness Kuvira’s emotional breakdown, it's in her surrender that we see what we can consider the beginning of her path toward redemption, meaning that her story is not over yet. 

7. One way in which I relate to this character 

We're both familiarized with military service and the concept of discipline and service to the nation since I also served. I also relate in the need to prove ourselves, something that is evident in the way she ends up emulating her mentor Suyin and in having strained relationships with siblings, like the one she had with Opal. Come to think of it, having strained relationships with siblings seems like a very Beifong thing to do. 🤔

8: thing that gives me second hand embarrassment about this character

The whole having her foster brother end up as her fiancee thing is kinda weird so I totally get Opal when she was all weirded out with the news of their engagement.

9: cinnamon roll or problematic fave?

Both! 🤣

[ourimpavidheroine]

I just want to say that I have been watching Delicious in Dungeon and Todd Haberkorn is doing some voice over work (the narration as well as some smaller parts) and as he was also the voice of Baatar Junior I have spent all 24 episodes also hearing Junior's snitty, superior, I need to kick him in his ass right now voice. And I have enjoyed it.

Thank you that is all.