#avatrice shippers

[moreorlez]

AVATRICE FIC

Chapter 8: Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 (The one before the end)

Ava and Beatrice can't keep their hands off each other. Camila's sixth sense is on alert. A sudden visitor threatens to ruin the peace of the lovers... and someone else adds to the pile.

Fanfiction Summary: Ava returns 3 years later to a still very much in love Beatrice, but there’s a little detail they have to work out first. *Avatrice-centric. Canon divergent. Mini love triangle. Avatrice endgame. Smut.

Moreorlez

[trickarrows-bishop]

most of the time the "adriel is haunting and gaslighting camila in her subconscious" is angsty as shit. it can also, however, mean:

beatrice: you can hear him? is he saying anything now? adriel: gay gay homosexual gay camila: camila: no

IM CRYING YEAH HE WOULD ??? HELP SJSHDHSH

[this-blog-needs-a-new-name]

We don’t talk about her enough 🥰

[mountainsinaboat]

THIS HAPPENS TO ME ALL THE TIME

Me: *reads through an incredible fic on Ao3 experiencing every emotion possible in the span of about 5000 words*

*clicks 'Kudos♥️'*

Ao3:

Me:

[geekgirlspoetryproject]

How my love for Warrior Nun ended up getting me a published novel

So like many of us, i am a huge fan of Warrior Nun. Like a somewhat smaller number of us, I am a big Doctor Superion shipper. Can't be helped. Mature ladies getting it together is my jam. I have written fic about them and of course a lot of Avatrice and Lilshotgun.

Anyway, I saw this picture of Thekla Reuten and

I thought "oooo, detective!"

Not long after, I encountered this photo of Sylvia Defanti:

And I thought, "ooo, detective wife! Wait no! DETECTIVE EX-WIFE!"

And then I thought, what if ART Detectives?? Picture them chasing an art thief around Europe while bickering and lowkey sniping at each other and falling back in love despite themselves and their whole opposites-attract yin/yang thing?

Plus, you know, Europe:

The more I thought about the idea, though, the more I realized I needed to change the characters too much for it to work as a fic. So because I was writing a lot of screenplays at the time, I wrote it as a screenplay. Let me tell you about these women...

Fleur van Beekhof

So yeah, you can see the shades of Jillian, obviously: cool, pragmatic, strategic and unflappable on the outside. Inside, a total disaster: heartbroken, career stagnating, struggling with a gambling addiction and still not over her ex-wife,

Renata Cellini

Renata quit the bureau after their divorce and went to manage a friend's art gallery in Bologna. She's passionate, sometimes harsh, wears everything out on her sleeve and is 100% in it for the drama, leaping into danger and looking annoyingly hot while doing so. She's Fleur's sole choice for all 3 options of "f*ck marry kill."

The only thing that could bring her back to the bureau is the "Fabulous Gustave," the one thief who got away from them, whose escape precipitated Fleur's gambling problem and the unraveling of their marriage.

What's more, he stole a painting by her favorite painter, the one she did her Master's thesis on: "Susanna and the Elders," by Artemisia Gentileschi.

(Artemisia btw was a badass, a baroque master not fully recognized in her day. She painted women like nobody else... with fury and agency. "Yo check out the head of the Assyrian general who was creeping on me, I just saved my people, you're welcome."

Anyway, ahem.)

So I had this movie written. The thing about movies, is they take forever to get made, if they do at all. And I adore these women and this story too much, so I adapted it into a novel, and on a hail-mary pass, sent it to one of the bigger sapphic publishers I knew of.

THEY SAID YES.

Look! In all its pre-orderable glory!

The women of Warrior Nun have been and continue to be an inexhaustible fountain of inspiration.

And also, if you feel like it, please support my novel.

[sisterdivinium]

You know, for a show with so many female characters that so many of us love given how they all get time in the spotlight one way or another and they fill that time up rather wonderfully since they are deeper and more developed than what we're used to seeing in general media, it is peculiar (to say the least) to see so few "alternative" ships to the main one.

I'm not saying the canon ship doesn't deserve its attention -- I'm wondering instead why the canon ship and it alone seem to guide the WN fans who just so happen to enjoy writing/reading fic or fanart or whatever.

You'd think all these cool women would inspire more ships or combinations thereof, but those of us who aren't invested in avatrice just... Float along, around one another, ignored (and, yes, mostly undisturbed too; being unpopular does have its advantages and that includes a lot less weirdos leaving you strange or awkward messages -- it does not, however, shield us from people flooding our goddamn tags on AO3 with fic that has nothing to do with our little ships and I do wish such negligence of the pairing itself meant we didn't have to deal with this spam...)

I am also not saying that fandom activity should be based solely on shipping (and recently someone on Reddit was rather confused by the fact that a lot of it is, which is quite an interesting topic to discuss in itself -- after all, there is more to fan creativity than shippy fic... Or there used to be), merely that, here, it appears that a canon relationship can outshine interest in the other, non-canon ones. It's already there and it was doubtless well-done by the show, so it's natural that it should claim people's attention, sure. It's just that being canon was never the parameter for whether people were interested in these or those two (or more) characters maybe being involved and trying to explore what that could mean through fanwork.

There has always been a complaint haunting fandom spaces concerning the minuscule amounts of f/f fic, art, discussion, w/e based on how few (interesting or sympathetic or relatable) female characters there are in media at large. So what I'm curious about is why fan creations made around WN -- a show that finally gives us a whole cast of female characters that are what we have been craving for decades -- don't also reflect its diversity.

There are alternative ships (I'm here, all happy in my tiny Doctor Superion bubble, and I know there are Camila/Lilith, Ava/Lilith, Mary/Shannon, Mary/Lilith shippers out there, so a warm hello to you if you're reading this), but go on AO3 and compare the numbers of things tagged with these proper pairings to the grand total of WN stories. Better (or worse) still, do so with the "otp: true" trick or simply by excluding avatrice from the search to see how many are left.

It's... A considerable difference. And a mystery, at least to me.

[selkiemaidenfae]

this is something i want to go deeper into in a video essay but it can't be understated how fucking weird it was as a deeply-oblivious-to-my-feelings-for-girls baby bi to be on tumblr during the time when every popular straight ship was healthy and sweet and every popular wlw ship was abusive and toxic.

i envy the gen z kids who grew up with avatrice and calliette and lumity. or even older gen z kids who grew up with korrasami and catadora. they got wlw ships that were not only canon but warm and sweet and based on genuine affection.

when i was a little baby bi on tumblr, the big sapphic ships were swan queen (regina was canonically a rapist and her most consistent character trait was torturing people who tried to help her) and emison (allison spent years bullying emily for her sexuality and only stopped when she decided she wanted to fuck her).

these are the ships that tumblr tried to sell me as high sapphic romance.

hetero couples were given grand love stories and confirmed soulmates. gay couples were rarely canon, but fanon told the story of star-crossed lovers, destined to be apart yet deeply embedded in each other's souls.

and the lesbian romances were... women yelling at each other and gaslighting each other as an audience of mainly grown women insisted one character's abuse would just go away if they were given the green light to fuck the other into submission.

as a teenager, i was just starting to understand that i liked girls. but i didn't want the kind of relationship that was being romanticized. i didn't want a girl to hate me but also want to sleep with me. i didn't want her to hurt me and then maybe feel a little sorry afterwards, but then do it again.

i wanted the grand love story i saw for straight couples. i wanted fairytales and friendship and devotion and affection. i wanted women who healed together, women who protected each other, women who built lives together.

that isn't what i saw in fandom, though. so i thought that maybe wlw relationships were just... like that. maybe they were mainly physical, always tumultuous, never soft. if i didn't want that, i probably didn't want to be with a girl. i buried the feelings deep.

also, the amount of swan queen shippers that called me an evil straight person for not liking the ship probably didn't help that particular journey of self-discovery.

i wish i could go back and tell baby me that the sapphic love stories i wanted exist and they are beautiful and canon and beloved. a couple of them are even written by me.

i guess i'm just feeling reflective. and i've never seen anyone share this kind of experience, so i figured... why not? someone will get it.

[lucytara]

Yo Erin been following you anon for years because of the bees, now avatrice. feeling so vindicated rn after reading all the hate bumbleby shippers got, that you got and the added confirmation that it truly was planned from the beginning like bumbleby's (and crwby - that one video leak) have been saying for years. Truly happy for you, favorite fic writer, hope you're having a blast!!!

AHHHH THANK YOU <33333 dude nothing has ever felt this gratifying like we were right. we were RIIIGHTTTT WE KNEW IT THIS WHOLE TIME AND WE GOT SO MUCH SHIT AND WE WERE RIGHT!!!!!!!!

you are too kind thank you, i hope you're having a great one as well <3

[whyislenaluthorsohot]

The grin on Camila's face as she glances between Beatrice and Ava. The first canon Avatrice shipper

[queer-and-nerdy]

so here’s me ig ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

𖤐 the name’s aaron! my preferred pronouns are they/them and he/him, but honestly any are fine :)

𖤐 bisexual; genderfluid/genderqueer

𖤐 ♓︎ pisces sun, ♍︎ scorpio moon, ♐︎ sagittarius rising

𖤐 19 years old; current college student (secondary english education major lol)

𖤐 adhd, anxiety, and depression diagnosis; peer-diagnosed autism

𖤐 recovering victim of superwholock </3

𖤐 hot topic/spirit halloween/spencer’s frequenter

𖤐 fanfic writer!! i post on ao3 but link them on this page :P

𖤐 cat stepdad

𖤐 emo

𖤐 neil gaiman is my writer father

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𖤐 favorite media: good omens (aziraphale kinnie; aziracrow shipper), the sandman (dream/morpheus, matthew kinnie; dreamling shipper; hob gadling, death lover), our flag means death (stede kinnie; blackbonnet, lucius/black pete shipper; badminton hater), the boys (hughie kinnie; homelander hater), supernatural (dean winchester kinnie; destiel shipper; cas lover; he/they pansexual sam truther); gravity falls (dipper kinnie); marvel (loki, bucky barnes, peter parker, scott lang kinnie; lokius, mj/peter, venom/eddie shipper; stephen strange, mobius m. mobius lover), the witcher (jaskier kinnie; casual geraskier shipper; yennefer lover), star trek (spock, scottie kinnie; spirk shipper; bones lover), dead poet society (todd kinnie; anderperry shipper), detroit: become human (connor kinnie; hank lover; father!hank & son!connor truther - NOT SHIPPING), lockwood & co (george karim kinnie; locklyle shipper; barnes lover); warrior nun (lilith kinnie; avatrice shipper; mother superion, jillian salvius, camilla lover)

𖤐 favorite music: ghost (prequelle lover; copia, aether kinnie; terzomega, aether/dewdrop|sodo, polyghoul shipper; terzo, cumulus, cirrus lover), sleep token, ice nine kills, avatar, system of a down, metallica, slipknot, lorna shore, repugnant ❄︎ hozier, bo burnham, anson seabra, gordon lightfoot, billie eilish, marina

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my ao3 fic masterlist lolol (will be updated as i post!)

𖤐 the band ghost 𖤐

our skin is the canvas (will you be the paint?)

papa emeritus III | terzo / omega | quintessence ghoul 1349 words | 1/1 chapters | complete --------------------------- While removing his ritual paint, Terzo is struck by how much he resembles Nihil, which causes him to break down. Fortunately, Omega is there to pick up the pieces (and open Terzo’s eyes).

two star-crossed lovers reaching out (to the beast with many names)

papa emeritus | terzo / omega | quintessence ghoul 5682 words | 2/2 chapters | complete --------------------------- Omega is a liability to the Ghost Project. He must be removed.

fourth of july

aether | quintessence ghoul / sodo | fire ghoul (dewdrop | water ghoul) 4804 words | 1/1 chapters | complete MAJOR CHARACTER DEATH --------------------------- Sodo has a chance to say goodbye.

all those things that you desire (you will find there in the fire)

papa emeritus | terzo / omega | quintessence ghoul 2953+ words | 1/3 chapters | in progress GRAPHIC DEPICTIONS OF VIOLENCE | MAJOR CHARACTER DEATH --------------------------- What if omega had been in terzo's place at game night?

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mutuals, reblogs, comments, asks, etc. are welcome!!! i can be nervous meeting new people but i’m trying to get better lol ♡︎

[moreorlez]

Chapter 7:   Proverbs 7: 18 Our girls finally consummate their love. (Porn with feelings)

Fanfiction Summary: Ava returns 3 years later to a still very much in love Beatrice, but there’s a little detail they have to work out first. *Avatrice-centric. Canon divergent. Mini love triangle. Avatrice endgame. Smut.

Moreorlez

[trickarrows-bishop]

Camila's the first Avatrice shipper in canon. She knew what she was doing when she gave that story about a lesbian Warrior Nun to Beatrice. Trying to force Beatrice to confront her hidden desires

she is the captain of the ship and i’m so serious abt it .

[sodasa-was-taken]

I wanted to be a good sport and I don't like to call people out unless I can do it in a light-hearted manner, but I draw a line at blatant hypocrisy.

You can't say that the poll results have nothing to do with popularity and then say that making it to the finals proves the significance of Destial. Well, newsflash Sulemio also made it to the finals but I guess doing so only matters when it's your ship and not ours.

Furthermore, people expected Destiel to make it to the finals. It's not impressive in the slightest. Meanwhile no one saw Sulemio get to the Finals least of all several of us who ship them. That's something that's worth respect.

Also claiming that Sulemio only stands a chance against your ship is because people are voting against Destiel is such a show of ignorance.

We went up against Narusasu, Hannigram, Hanamusa, Avatrice, Ineffable Husbands, and Bubbline. Say what you will about how many people don't know about Sulemio several of these are some heavy hitters following your own argument and Sulemio won against those. Destiel is not an anomaly for losing against Sulemio despite supposedly being a bigger ship and older ship on Tumblr.

Yeah, the spite/meme voting is the reason for the landslide but it's so disrespectful to ignore that Sulemio won against ships that you do know about. Better yet, there are several people who did want Destiel to win who later changed their minds because of the entitlement of some of their shippers.

As the great @the-eeveekins has already pointed out Sulemio got more votes than Destiel in all the poles they were in. That would seem to indicate that we had stiffer competition than you. You had the numbers but you didn't have to use them. You had it easy. We fought to get to the finale while you didn't and you still think your ship should win just because.

Even if we couldn't beat Destiel without the help of people who voted more against Destiel than for Sulemio, what then? We're weaker than you because people who don't know Sulemio are voting for them? You can call Destiel the Tumblr ship as much as you want but evidently Tumblr is not on your side. What must people think of you that they want to vote for a ship they don't know over your ship?

I'm sorry if this came off as mean-spirited. I don't want to hurt anyone but enough is enough.

To my fellow Sulemio shippers I'll like to say that I've really liked your responses throughout this bracket and I wish you the best of luck but I'm checked out. It's been fun to follow along with this bracket and for the most part people have been quite respectful towards one another. Yet, while I'll still check the numbers on the poll, for the sake of self-care I will no longer engage with this bracket.

Thank you to everyone who made this a fun time for as long as it lasted.

Tumblr Top Ships Bracket - FINALS

This poll is a celebration of fandom and fandom history; we're aware that there are certain issues with many of the listed pairings and sources, but they are a part of that history. Please do not take this as an endorsement, and refrain from harassment.

[sisterdivinium]

In good faith, I don't consider WN ships I don't follow as "spam". I simply open the fics that catch my attention and the ship tags for it, I read a bit and if I don't dig it I move to the next ones. If you do not read fics I don't understand why it seems to bother you considerably. Ok that's the part where I don't agree with your post, however it's a fair assessment of what's going on. I do follow avatrice fics, so what I'm about to say next it's from that perspective. I think avatrice is like 95-96% percent of the works on ao3 for various reasons. The show being cancelled and ava going away at the end of S2, despite it being clearly implied she's back, people feel left out to dry because we didn't get to see them reunite. So there's this almost manic drive towards fixing that thru fics. We didn't get to see them as an open explicit couple, so that's also something people have taken to fix. Another reason is that Ava silva is just such an alluring character, people went and are still nuts for her. She's so genuine, so open in her affections, so loyal and unwavering. Another reason, she happens to have been played by an actress that did an outstanding job portraying her, and I believe that the fact that Alba is so conventionally attractive plays a huge role in the pull avatrice has. And I do not mean to diminish Beatrice or Kristina's talent or acting in any way. I merely want to point out I honestly believe that if avatrice were 2 non white women, we wouldn't be seeing the amount of works that pop up daily for them, nowhere near the numbers we have currently. So in that regard it's kind of a double mortal combo that ava was written as she was and that she was played by such a pretty and charming actress. Well a triple combo, because she's white. I personally think the wlw couples that dominate fandoms have almost invariably at least one white character. Ok that's the trifecta by which I explain the popularity of avatrice (outside of them being a legitimately solid and good pairing). As for the amount of AUs I think it's due to wanting to take these 2 characters and separate them from their original universe as a way to repel/protest/take them the hell away from the universe in which they had no resolution, to cope with the feeling of severe incompleteness that canon left. Ok now that being said I join you in lamenting that we don't have more shanon/Mary and other pairings, because I feel entirely alone in shipping Ava and Camila... listen the heart wants what it wants and in my cursed unlucky case, it seems my heart wants 2 golden retrievers/gremlin energy characters together and in love. But my crack ship exists only in my fantasies 😭

I've read and found some great doctor superion works. but at least here I have found zero posts/content about my wretched crack ship, null, none, naught. At least you guys do have some content. Also I think doctor superion not having more traction is straight up ageism. Which is so sad. Anyways these are my personal opinions about it sorry for the wall of text.

Let me clarify why I called that spam, first of all, so that you understand I wasn't being malicious (or not gratuitously so, anyway, lol): every now and again, even if I don't read fic, I do take a look at the pairing tag for the one ship I write about. And, without fail, there will be at least one story posted under that tag where that very pairing is nowhere to be found. It's a fleeting mention at most. I consider it spam to post what is, say, an avatrice smut fic on the Jillian/Suzanne tag if you won't do anything with the latter ship apart from a side comment like "oh, and the two of them are together now".

A few days ago, I read an interesting post about how people posting fic and adding tags should ask themselves whether people interested in those tags would indeed find what they wanted through your story when you used them.

Let me say, then, that a Jillian/Suzanne shipper is not looking for something that can barely be called crumbs at all when she sits down to read something -- so why lead her on? At the very least tag it properly and say it's minor/implied/mentioned or something of the sort. It's annoying to me in the sense that I also use the tag, I like to know who fellow tag users are and coming across this sort of thing is disruptive. People nowadays "overtag" and I get it depending on what they have written because they want a reader to know what she's getting herself into -- and, precisely, I think it would be fair for a Jillian/Suzanne shipper to be warned of the fact that her ship isn't really featured at all in something instead of seeing that tag tacked on just because they're mentioned as a couple en passant. I'm sure that might apply to other pairings as well, as I do recall @foulbearobservation mention some phenomenon of the sort for Camila/Lilith too a few months ago.

So, to reiterate, it's less "ew, this doctor superion fic has been tainted with another ship" (which, honestly, would never bother me) and more "ugh, this other ship fic said there would be doctor superion but there is nothing and I feel duped!" The fact that I don't read it myself doesn't mean I'm not in contact with other Jillian/Suzanne shippers who do seek out fic and who do experience these feelings which we do talk about amongst ourselves.

With that out of the way, let me first thank you for getting in touch because I was very curious about hearing someone on the avatrice side of things!

It's not surprising to me, per se, that avatrice dominates and I think I mentioned it in my post that there is a reason to it. Or various reasons, really, adding to those I cited the ones you give here, being the "unfinished business" aura that the ship has acquired thanks to that damned cancellation. (I will, however, express my surprise at your passionate manifestation considering Alba as I see Kristina lovers gushing about her much more frequently -- I suppose that goes to show you how we none of us ever have the whole picture in mind, how we are always looking at things at an angle even when we try to consider them more fully! A very good reminder to keep in mind how fragmentary our understanding can be...)

What baffles me is not that avatrice is everywhere, but that there are so very little other ships around it. Historically, people in fandom have always played the "there aren't enough nice/fun/compelling/whatever female characters in canon for me to care about f/f ships" card and what's perfectly clear in WN is that this card simply cannot be played given how many wonderful female characters it has (lucky us!) And I suppose it adds to my surprise (again, this is merely me being a bit confused at the situation rather than "denouncing" it; far be it from me to tell avatrice shippers they're doing anything wrong, no, fandom is for fun after all and, as you say, it IS a solid and good pairing, I would never contest that!) that there are so many stories set in an alternate universe for what is a canon ship. It's a bit of a paradox to me, I suppose, although the idea of a "protest" against an unfinished, incomplete canon such as you mentioned might explain part of it.

On prejudice, I wouldn't want to accuse anyone of anything. There's also a predominance of white characters in a lot of media, so them being featured in a lot of pairings is a bit due to the maths of their presence as well -- going forth, as we begin to see more and more diversity (well, if the goddamn companies stop cancelling every one of our shows!) I figure the trend will begin to diminish as well. Or so I'd like to hope, unless the issue we're discussing persists, being that one ship gets all the attention and all others get zilch when the potential for others is right there staring us all in the face... Then again, it does bother me that older characters are more or less ignored by fandom at large, I won't lie, and I've seen some comments on disturbing depictions of Mary in certain corners of fandom as well. I'd like to make use of good-will towards people and not expect from them only the worse, but sometimes it can be... Challenging, let's say.

Do have my thanks for introducing me to the concept of Ava/Camila! It hadn't crossed my mind, I admit, but now I think it could be something fun to play with. I was interrupted so many times while typing up this answer that I used some of that time to write something for the pairing and I'll post it here soon-ish and maybe that can kickstart some more visibility for it! :)

Alongside my thanks, please also have my sympathies. I've always been on the rarepair side of fandom so I understand, even if your case really is a bit extreme if nobody else has ever done anything for the ship! Then again, that is the whole point of the post, the fact that it's so very hard to see anyone try something out outside of their OTP, if just for fun, just for a day, just for a drabble even!

See, my problem is not that there isn't a lot of doctor superion -- my problem is that there isn't much of anything else! I do my part, I write for my pairing that which I would like to read (and I encourage you, friendly anon, to consider doing something for Ava/Camila as well if you can! Sometimes we need to take the first step, sometimes that's what introduces people to the thing and inspires them to put their own spin on it as well. If it weren't for you, I wouldn't even have thought of maybe trying out your ship, even if it won't be a 890.000 word epic). It just strikes me as odd that the toys are all out there and there are few people who take notice of them apart from the two shiniest ones!

To end this, please don't apologise for walls of text. If ever you've been around my blog, you'll know I'm prone to them myself, as this answer attests to! Thank you for chipping in!

[grechkathekasha]

science and religion can definitely work together

science and religion may even fall in love. treat each other with unexpected loving warmth and respect, co-parenting a bunch of young chaotic nuns

[weirdo102]

Camila: Hey Ava are you free on Friday at like 7pm?

Ava: Yes-

Camila: And Bea are you?

Beatrice: Yes?

Camila: Great! Because I'm not, you two have fun on your date!!

Beatrice: Did she just-