#atsv spoilers kinda

[y2kbugs-moved]

Alright have some Miguel headcanons from someone who read the comics and wants to apply some things to his movie self (I am aware his backstory will diverge somewhat)

Named his alt-universe daughter after his brother Gabriel (I think this is obvious though)

Former alcoholic, he stopped when he did the universe-hopping, then relapsed shortly after that universe was destroyed. He knew it would impede his efforts as leader so he set up prohibition of any alcoholic beverages within Spider Society.

Actively tries to not get too attached to any Spider-person after the whole incident. Hates close physical contact. He's afraid of fucking up again.

Truly cares about Mayday despite the above, you can see how he becomes stiff and avoids eye contact yet prevents her from falling in the movie. He cares about her, but again is afraid of screwing up since he did so badly last time.

Has pretty serious OCD that went untreated after the incident, excerberating his behavior later on and in the movie (I have OCD, and I can get like this too).

Barely sleeps. It's a miracle if he gets 4 hours in. Keeps himself awake with energy drinks and protein bars.

Has a sweet tooth he won't admit to anyone.

Makes casual suicide comments that makes other people uncomfortable.

Shockingly, isn't always a deeply bitter and angry person. Peter B calls him his friend and says he isn't that "scary" and genuinely looks terrified and in disbelief at Miguel's violent behavior in the movie.

Hates himself more than anyone else. Doesn't want therapy (even though he brought in a Spider-Therapist for others.)

[lildoodlenoodle]

Have we talked about the Miguel Burger yet?

I just wanna know if it was his idea, if he authorized it, or do the other spiders just think it’s rlly fucking funny and do it to annoy the guy?

I need to know WHY

[reverse-hermit]

TRANSGENDERISM!!!

[crowiin]

Putting him in a blender

[nadia-cannot-think-straight]

Hobie and Miles doing their thing

[collieii]

someone probably said this already but in spiderverse i think it's interesting how when pavitr was first introduced everyone thought something bad was gonna happen to him bc of how confident and optimistic he was. and then in the actual movie we see that something bad was supposed to happen to him (police chief dying!) but it doesn't! miles stops it! and miguel berates miles for this, says it's going to cause the universe to collapse or whatever.

there's this idea that tragedy is inherent to spidermans growth, and while it's true that some spiderpeople learn important lessons through loss, no one stops to ask, is it really necessary? yeah, maybe the chief was supposed to die. but why does spiderman have to be formed through tragedy? why do we (as heroes) have to let people die? pavitr didn't lose anyone, and he's still a good spiderman! maybe, if he doesn't suffer, he'll end up better off for it!

so while miguel is arguing for all this big picture stuff about saving the multiverse he's lost sight of what it really means to be a spiderman, he's not looking out for the real individual people. yeah it's just one person who would die, but that one person means something to someone. shrugging and saying "stuff just sucks sometimes, we can't do anything about it" is the opposite of what superheroes do. pretty obviously, miles arc is also a reflection of the struggles people face in real life, working within unequal systems, where it's easy to shrug and say "that's just the way it is" and not ask "but why does it need be this way? can't we do something about it?"

miguel is arguing that you can't have your cake and eat it too. presumably, miles and co. are going to find a way to get around that and change things for the better (and maybe that's why miles has that line about two cakes in the advisors office!)

[spooksier]

miguel o'hara is such a good antagonist because like. he isn't cool or suave. he isn't sexy (on purpose). he isn't calculating. he constantly gets dunked on by teenagers. he hates every person he PERSONALLY INVITED to work with him. he's literally just mad as hell and thinks killing a 15 year old will fix him.

[bicodeofhonour]

[bold-embrace]

Conversations with your other self

[crowzenyogurt]

SPIDER-BYTE!

[omnypresent]

Thinking about how he’s on Miguel’s team

[suncrat]

Maybe I’m just dumb so if someone has an explanation for this pls help me out but it’s kinda odd to me that Gwen, one of the spiderpeople whose universe is extremely visually distinct from Miles’s universe, doesn’t keep her world’s watercolor/color-changing aesthetic in other universes. Like she basically looks like someone from Miles’s universe when she’s not in her own universe, whereas other spiderpeople from visually distinct universes (like Hobie, Noir, and Peni) maintain their universe’s aesthetics regardless of what universe they’re in. So why doesn’t Gwen?

(Also I get that her universe’s art style is a bit inconsistent in that it changes and “ripples” a lot, especially with the characters’ emotions, but it would be cool if they utilized that to have Gwen shift into her universe’s art style during emotional moments)

[sporuss]

hobie and gwen practicing together and gwen has another moment like at the start where she’s just whacking at those drums and losing herself but instead of cutting her off hobie just. lets her play. and she goes on for a while, and she’s losing herself and hobie just sits back. and eventually she finishes, and she’s breathless and her hands hurt and the room feels deathly silent. she sighs, and she drops her sticks and stares down at the kit. and she’s apologizing because the song was over ages ago and she probably totally ruined it but hobie stops her. because clearly there’s a lot of something built up in there and frankly if you’re gonna let it out best to beat up the shitty old drum kit in his basement. gwen glances up finally and hobie has that “you good?” look on his face, and she nods. and the drums definitely take a few more gwen beatings over the next while, but at least she knows it’s a safe place to do it.

[royal-they]

i love how awkward she is in this movie lmao

[spicypepperjack]

Hear me out, but what if the Spider-verse constantly killed off Gwen Stacy not because she fell in love with Spider-Man, but because she fell in love with the wrong person?

Like what if Gwen survives only when she falls in love with a Miles Morales? That’s one reason why the multiverse created this soulmate-thing between them in ATSV. Furthermore, it was heavily hinting that Peter Parker wasn’t her true partner, and when Gwen chose incorrectly, it killed her every time, like Death from Final Destination. Indeed, one of the few times where she lives and is with Spider-Man is where she has her happy ending with Miles on Earth-8, allowing her to have her cake and eat it too.

In other words, what if the Spider-Verse was actually a toxic Ghostflower shipper?

[sir-adamus]

it's amusing and frustrating seeing people complain about how some characters have been presented in Across the Spider-Verse because like

a) it's a multiverse movie, so any complaint of 'X isn't Y in the comics' (eg Hobie isn't English, Ben Reilly isn't a wangsty edgelord, Peter isn't allowed to be 37, Gwen isn't trans, etc) is inane because... this is the alternate universe where they are - your point is meaningless per the very conceit of the movie

b) a major theme of the movie is addressing the people who get unnecessarily angry over things not playing out 1:1 like the original and demanding things be railroaded down the same path every time (specifically targeting the bullshit hostility towards Miles there was at his introduction and declaring him not to be a 'real' Spider-Man - and y'know, being general pieces of shit about it) and showing just how bullshit that reasoning is along with it being creatively stifling