#atsv peter

[yvainart]

cat miguel again

[madaman0]

Peter B. being lawless and depraved.

[mariees-love]

morning sex with peter 😣

lowkey yes !!

AN: not really feeling a whole fix so ima just do hc !

he def holds your hand while doing it

and prob wakes you up bc he’s just so hard thinking abt you 😣 who wouldn’t tho

will start pouting like a little baby if you tell him no or tell him to go back to bed but would understand because your pretty tired yourself

prob has the wildest wet dreams and poor baby wakes up and thinks it real

especially if you guys are cuddling and you grind on him in your sleep

once he fell asleep while you where sucking him off in the morning

AN: i’m sorry that all i can think off but i might go back and add more if i can think of anything else 😭

[kipptazon]

thoroughly enjoyed atsv

shame i can’t articulate my emotions like a normal human being and instead do this shit

[averinna]

We call it old men yaoi but they're not even in their forties come on

[metalichotchoco]

Early mornings aren’t really for spiders but responsibility and power call.

I wanted to draw them in pjs, though it’s hard to picture futuristic sleepwear. There’s no reference for it after all

[pacificwaternymph]

My Take on the Gwen Stacy and Peter B Parker Discourse

So I’ve seen a lot of hate towards these two characters, and especially Gwen Stacy (because as we are all aware, the internet tends to be much harsher towards female characters than their male counterparts), and so I thought I’d toss my two cents into the ring. 

Please keep in mind this is just my opinion, if you disagree with me that's fine, but don't try to argue with me about it.

The main argument (from what I’ve seen) seems to be that Gwen and Peter A: didn’t visit Miles when they had the chance and B: Didn’t help Miles out despite the fact that Hobie, someone who had only known Miles for a few hours at that point, did. So let’s break it down piece by piece.

We’ll start with the first argument. This one I think is kind of dumb since it literally gets explained IN the movie? Gwen explicitly states that the spider society carefully tracks what dimensions she visits through her watch. She says that she really did want to come and visit sooner, but she would have gotten in serious trouble if she did. 

If you'll remember, Miguel was incredibly hesitant to let her into Spider Society due to her connections to Miles in the first place, and we see that despite his reluctant acceptance of her, he was still incredibly wary of her and considered her a liability. So she was still on the fringes of Spider Society during the months that she was there. She was just a few missteps away from being kicked out and sent back to her dimension where, for all she knew, her FATHER WAS STILL WAITING TO ARREST HER. 

I mean consider it from her perspective. She’s a TEENAGER who was just almost arrested by her own dad on suspicion of murdering her best friend, immediately after trying to be vulnerable with him by revealing her biggest secret. She was in a position where she felt that she couldn’t return home anymore because home wasn’t safe for her. And the only place that would take her in had a few very strict conditions on her being allowed to stay there, namely that she have no contact with her one and only friend. AND DESPITE THIS THREAT, she STILL disobeyed her orders and went behind the back of her mentor in order to visit Miles the SECOND she had a chance to do so. She cares about Miles SO MUCH, to the point that she would risk her only refuge just to be able to see him again. 

As for Peter B? Are we all forgetting that this man was raising a BABY in the time between the two movies? That man is bound to be EXHAUSTED all. the. time. And even without considering that, he was likely treated with the same wariness that Gwen was due to his connections with Miles as well. It’s not unreasonable to assume that he had the same restrictions as her. 

Moving on, the second point is that they didn’t help Miles when Miguel trapped him and then sent the entirety of Spider Society after him. This one, I feel, has a bit more weight to it. But when looking at everything altogether, I’d still argue that this one isn’t true either.

Because let’s think about it for a second. Everyone in Spider Society (with the exception of Hobie), including Gwen and Peter, are under the impression that these “canon” events are literally the only thing holding the multiverse together. By that logic, they WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE that if Miles breaks the canon, the ENTIRE MULTIVERSE is going to come crashing down around them. 

People say that when Miguel tried to trap Miles, nobody but Hobie tried to help him out. But the thing is, Peter and Gwen DID try to help. It’s just that their idea of helping Miles looks very different from Hobie’s (and subsequently, our) idea of helping him. You can HEAR them both audibly protesting to what Miguel is doing all throughout the chase scene, trying to calm him down and keep Miles from getting hurt because this is NOT what they talked about. But keep in mind that while this is happening, they still believe that Miles’s dad HAS to die for the sake of the canon. So in their minds, they’re trying to keep Miles safe from Miguel while also trying to keep the multiverse safe from MILES. They really think that miles possesses a threat to the stability of the multiverse, and they’re trying to protect him anyways. Which is why it makes no sense to me that people try to argue that Gwen and Peter didn’t care about Miles in the movie.  

Even back at the beginning, when Miles is first introduced to Miguel, both of them stick up for Miles the best that they can within their current belief system. They both immediately try to shield him from Miguel’s anger by saying that he can’t be blamed for his actions because he is uninformed and poorly prepared, and thus didn’t know the consequences his actions would have. 

And of course I hear people saying that it’s not enough, that they should have broken away from Spider Society entirely, and while I’m not saying I DISAGREE, I am asking you to remember that Gwen is still under threat of returning to what she believes to be an unsafe environment, and Peter actually has something to lose now, that being both his wife and his daughter. Even if they did see through the flaws in Miguel’s logic, which if we’re being entirely reasonable here NONE OF THE OTHER SPIDER PEOPLE DID EITHER, they both have things that they aren’t willing to risk on the off chance that Miguel is wrong after all, especially when they have both seen the fallout of what happens when the “canon” breaks.

And I don’t want to hear a WORD of people calling them selfish for trying to look after their own interests either, because then you’d have to call MILES selfish as well. After all, MILES is the one risking the entire multiverse just so that he can save his dad. I'm not saying that he's WRONG to do so, but keep in mind that the characters in the movie don't have the same information that we do.

But then what about Hobie? As I said before, Hobie’s idea of helping Miles looks very different to Gwen and Peter’s. This isn’t necessarily a matter of one party being right and one party being wrong, (although we as the viewers know that there IS a right and wrong just by virtue of knowing that Miles is the protagonist of the story), it’s a difference in perspective. 

Hobie is very firmly anti-establishment. Because of this, he already views the Spider Society through a more critical lens than the other spiders. As such, he has a much easier time poking holes in Miguel’s logic, because it’s always easier to spot something’s flaws when you are actively looking for them. He’s clearly not a fan of Miguel and his strict, authoritarian leadership because it’s against everything he believes. The only reason he’s even in the Spider Society at all is to ensure that he can look out for Gwen and Pav, and he quits immediately after helping Miles out. He’s also rebellious and, from what we see, doesn’t have something to lose like Gwen and Peter do, which makes him more willing to take the risk that comes with helping Miles. 

All of this isn’t to say necessarily that what Peter and Gwen did was OKAY. Believe me, I still believe that they messed up BIG TIME. Miles had every right to feel hurt and betrayed over this. That’s kind of the whole point of the movie. But what I am saying is that people seem to forget some of the context in which these decisions were made. It's important to put them back into context, because people are purposefully misinterpreting these characters so that it fits this narrative they've constructed in their heads which completely misses the whole point of the film. 

I know there are other things that Gwen in particular does (which I am skeptical about because once again: misogyny) that make people mad at her. I mean I haven’t even gone into the whole “love square” thing that’s IMPLIED to be going on between Margo, Miles, Gwen, and Hobie. But this isn’t about me trying to defend those more minor transgressions. This is about me trying to offer my perspective about the MAIN source of conflict both within the movie and the fandom. 

You are of course welcome to disagree with me on any of these points, but I ask that you don’t try to start an argument with me over this. This is not me trying to invite discourse onto my blog, I’m simply sharing my own opinion since I really love the movie and it irks me to see people talking about these characters the way that they do.

[petermurphysmugshott]

And stop only shitting on Gwen for lying to Miles. Guess who also lied to him? Peter.

Your misogony is showing 🥱

[angel-of-the-moons]

Peter B Parker Masterlist:

Marvel Masterlist

❤️‍🔥 -- Means NSFW

💘 -- Means eventual NSFW

🍰 -- Means Fluff

🥀 -- Means Angst

❤️‍🔥 Fun Before Diaper Duty (Peter B x Wife!Reader)

🍰 Bunny Slippers (Peter B x Reader)

[angele-midnight]

Okay but Miles’ mentor Peter finally decided to fix his shit and combat the narrative and ended up with a wife and a beautiful daughter because of it, which ultimately disproves Miguel’s theory

So even our Peter is beginning to realize that what Miguel’s doing isn’t a good thing or remotely correct and I can’t wait to see it play out in BTSV

Miguel is Fine, Actually (Being Spider-Man's Just Toxic As Hell)

Before I watched ATSV I said that I would defend my man Miguel O'Hara's actions no matter what, because he's always valid and I support women's wrongs. I was joking, and I did not actually expect to start defending him on Tumblr.edu. But I'm seeing a lot of commentary that's super reductive, so I do want to bring up another perspective on his character.

Miguel wasn't acting against the spirit of Spider-Man, or what being Spider-Man means. Miguel isn't meant to represent the antithesis of Spider-Man. Miles is the antithesis of Spider-Man. Miguel represents Spider-Man taken to its extreme.

Think about Miguel's actions from his perspective. If you were a hero who genuinely, legitimately, 100%, no doubt about it, believed that somebody is going to make a selfish decision that will destroy an entire universe and put the entire multiverse at severe risk - if you had an over-burdened sense of responsibility and believed in doing the right thing no matter what - you would also chase down the kid and put him in baby jail to try and prevent it. He believed that he was saving the multiverse, and that Miles was putting it in danger for selfish reasons. Which is completely unforgivable to him, because selfishness is what he hates the most. And then he goes completely out of pocket and starts beefing with a 15yo lmfaooo he's such a dick.

But why did Miguel believe that? Why did he believe that Miles choosing himself and his own happiness over the well-being of others was the worst possible thing? Why did he believe that tragedy was inevitable in their lives, and that without tragedy Spider-Man can't exist?

Because he's Spider-Man.

Peter Parker was once a fifteen year old who chose his own happiness over protecting others. It was the greatest regret of his life and he never forgave himself. Peter's ethos means that he will put himself last every time, and that he will sacrifice anything and everything in his life - his relationships, his health, his future - to protecting and helping others. Peter dropped out of college because it interfered with Spider-Man. He destroyed his own future for Spider-Man. He ruins friendships and romantic relationships because Spider-Man was more important. If Peter ever tries to protect himself and his own happiness, then he's a bad person.

That is intrinsic to Peter. Peter would not be Peter without it. A story that is not defined by Peter's unhappiness is not a Spider-Man story. If Peter doesn't make himself miserable, then he's just not Peter.

That is a Spider-Man story: that not only is tragedy inevitable, that if you don't allow yourself to be defined by your tragedy then you're a bad person. If you don't suffer, then you're a bad person. If you ever put anything above Spider-Man, then you're killing Uncle Ben all over again. Miguel isn't the only one that believes this - as we saw, every Spider-Man buys into what he's saying. There's no Spider-Man without these beliefs.

Miguel attempted to find his own happiness, and he was punished in the most extreme way. He got Uncle Ben'd x10000. He tried to be happy, and it literally destroyed his entire universe. It's the Spider-narrative taken to the extreme. Of course Miguel believes all of this. Of course he believes this so firmly. He's Spider-Man. That's his story. And the one time Miguel tried to fight against that story, he was punished. And like any Spider-Man, he'll slavishly obey that narrative no matter the evil it creates and perpetuates. Because if he doesn't, the narrative will punish him. The narrative will always punish him. It's a Spider-Man story.

I don't think the universal constant between Spider-Mans, the thing that makes them Spider-Man, is tragedy. I think it's the fact that they never forgive themselves. And Miguel is what that viewpoint creates. He doesn't believe this things because he's an awful, mean person. He believes them because he's a hero. He's a good person who hates himself.

Across the Spider-verse isn't really a Spider-Man story. It's a story about Spider-Man stories. Miguel's right: if this was a Spider-Man story, then Miles acting selfishly really would destroy the universe. But Miles' story isn't interested in punishing him. It pushes back against Peter's narrative that unhappiness is inevitable and that you have to suffer to be a good person. It says that sometimes we do the right thing from love and not fear, and that Peter's way of thinking is ultimately super toxic and unhappy. ITSV was about Miles deciding that he didn't need to be Peter Parker, that all he needed to be was Miles, and ATSV is about how being Peter Parker isn't such a good thing. Miguel shows that. Whatever toxic and unhealthy beliefs he holds - they're the exact same beliefs that any Spider-Man holds. He's a dick, but I don't think he's any more awful a person than Peter is.

TL;DR: Miguel isn't a bad person, he just has Spider-Man brainrot.

[yvainart]

eepy and tired of work miguel need rest too

[soranatus]

[orangeispice]

I'm back with another crack meme, let's see how well this one does

If it does as well as my New Yorker Post then I'll make a navigation list for the memes :D

Bonus:

[usaigi]

I hate the implication that the Spider-Man in our universe is the goddamn popsicle

[pbnmj]

THE NOIR-HOBIE INTERACTIONS THAT I MADE UP IN MY MIND ARE VERY REAL TO ME. SONY PLEASE PICK UP WHAT I’M PUTTING DOWN!!!

[crabrangoonluvr]

alright so during into the spider-verse's introduction to peter b. parker, we see his wedding, and he stomps on the wine glass right? this is a jewish wedding tradition, which makes this version of peter parker jewish (further confirmed in interviews -- however, i believe this is enough by itself). it's a nice nod to the jewish roots of the character.

we get to see a bunch of peter parkers throughout the spider-verse films, and none of them have any explicit religious associations like peter b. parker. except for one!

here we have gwen stacy's peter parker and aunt may, from earth-65, saying grace over a meal. from my understanding, this is generally a christian practice -- in judaism, we prefer to say short prayers before eating, and save the long, in-depth ones for afterwards. so to me, this was a clear example of the character being coded as christian. i was a little disappointed that they didn't make peter parker jewish here too, but since across the spider-verse discusses variants and the differences between instances of the same person between different universes, i interpreted this as a continued commentary on peter parker's ethnicity -- although he was initially jewish-coded and one of his two creators, stan lee, is jewish, this is often erased, especially in more modern interpretations of the character.

and then i remembered that this peter parker also literally turns into the lizard.

and y'know what? good call on that one guys.