#arthuriana asks

[ripmyfictionalfriends]

💚🥰 for the arthuriana questions!

💚 Favorite Quest/Story Arc

Hmmm I feel like those are two different things? Favourite story arc would be The Wedding of Sir Gawain and Dame Ragnell 100%. I always describe it as a Shrek like take on Beauty and the Beast where the lady is cursed to look like a "beast/ogre" or whatever ugly names she was called in the story but is accepted and loved for who she is by the person she marries AND gets to pick what she wants to look like herself.

Favourite Quest... i have read a couple quests for sure. I do really appreciate Yvain's story (Knight with the Lion by Chrétien de Troyes) where he has to better himself to win back his wife after abandoning her while questing. But I adore the middle dutch story of Morien whose mother, a princess of the Moorish lands, was left by Anglovale, Percival's brother, before they could get married. This abandonment had consequences for Morien and his mother, getting disinherited from their lands. Thus he knights himself(!!) and goes on a quest to find his father and he meets Lancelot and Walewein (Gawain) as they're looking for Perceval. A medieval story about a black knight who gets to kick ass and deal w daddy issues, my kinda story 🫶

🥰 Arthuriana Headcanon

My oh my. Truly what are headcanons in a "canon" consisting of a vast collection of media which often contradict each other?

I love some lgbtq+ headcanons for sure

Mordred: genderfluid, gay

Arthur: bisexual and/or trans

Bedivere: gay and def had something going on with Arthur. it's Arthur x Bedivere supremacy in this house!!!

My headcanon is that Arthur and the other deceased ladies and knights who ended up in Avalon party with the fae all day long as he deserves, my beloved son.

anyway...

all hail king arthur

[queer-ragnelle]

arthurian women kissing each other call that arthyuriana

CALL THAT ARTHYURIANA!!

[sickfreaksirkay]

Lancelot is a feminist because he really be capturing knights and peasants and sending them to Guinevere. Who tf is Arthur?

im intrigued by the idea that lancelot sends captured people to guinevere purely because he's a feminist. cant even send captured people to the king anymore. because of woke

[the-kingshound]

Is there a reason you made Lancelot a non romance? Just wondering since Lancelot and Guinevere were a thing in arthurian tales. No shade or anything just curious. :)

The main reason is that, when I first created the characters for the game, Lancelot was not included. I am taking loose inspiration from Arthuriana, and in many ways my lore differs greately from the legends, with many more fantasy elements. If you take, say, Bastard of Camelot, it is much more grounded in the Arthurian legends than TKH.

Even my ROs names are taken from lesser known characters, from which I didn't take the lore or familiar links to Arthur either. So, yeah, Lancelot came later.

Also, Lance has gradually been taking her own place in the plot, one that is linked with other Round Table Knights rather than MC, with Arthur and with Uther.

Sometimes I regret not choosing her as a RO, same for Morgana, but what's done is done

[lancelots-squire]

god you can't even challenge all passing knights to a battle and then lock them up in your dungeon anymore. because of woke

[caer-gai]

~Arthuriana August ~

(i'm posting this a biit early because I don't trust myself to remember it before August first and I want to give folks some time <3 Y'all feel free to get started early if you need to - I know August is busy, especially for those of us still in school - but I won't start reblogging until August)

An arthuriana art writing song making gif-ing or whatever else challenge for the month of August!! I know the format isn't anything new but I tried to get original with the prompts lol

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Blood or No(1-5)-

Sibling and family week! The perfect time for Orkneys any sibling or family dynamic be it birth, adopted, or found!

Sick Leave(6-10) -

My personal favorite prompt! Be it whump, hurt/comfort, hurt no comfort, or angst, sick in bed or covered in blood it's time to hurt your faves!

Warm+Cozy(11-15)-

Now that we've whumped everyone it's time for some fluff! Bonding, cuddles, hurt with heavy comfort, just all the warm feelings.

Getting Heated!! (16-20)-

An argument, a romance, *cough*smut*cough*, a busy day in the kitchens.... or all four! Is it just me, or is it getting hot in here! :flustered:

Lady of the Hour(21-25)-

Enough of the knights, time for some ladies!! Everyone from Guinevere and Morgan to Adrivette and the Lady of Lys.

Visiting Knights (26-31)-

Or ladies, I'm not picky! This includes characters who have origins outside of Britain ex. Palomedies, Feirefiz, the French knights/du lacs, Morien, ect.

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Each prompt has five days except the last one has six. (This took me far too long to figure out lol) Be sure to tag with #arthuriana august, and if you want me to reblog it @caer-gai so I see it <3

Gore/violence and NSFW is allowed but I will use discretion when reblogging explicit works. Please no AI generated content =)

Most importantly have fun! If you end up posting nothing but had a good time that is a total win

[wildbasil]

Your art is so cool!!! I love your funny little Welsh guys. Just out of curiosity- does Edern ever take his helmet off??

i think the real question is should edern ever take his helmet off. when his hair looks like this

[silverskye13]

Sorry to point this out but you misspelled grail as grain in the tags of the recent ask and. im just thinking abt the Grain Quest now. whatever that would be

Jokes on both of us anon I read your ask as "Grian" and "Grian Quest" and was ankle deep in thoughts about Grian as the fair lady in a courtly romance triad when I realized my mistake. Anyway, I think Grian is the kind of damsel to send someone after the Questing Beast.

[wulfhalls]

What’s the drawing in your header? Love!!!!

King Arthur and the Weeping Queens by Dante Gabriel Rossetti 👍

[filletedfennysnake]

I shan't cease my propaganda concerning bear kay. I'm right I just know it

[yiddishknights]

If it's not too much trouble, I would love to know about Old Yiddish Arthuriana! I had literally no idea that was a thing but it sounds so amazing

I'm always happy to answer questions about Old Yiddish! I wrote my M.A. thesis about Vidvilt, an Arthurian epic written sometime around the 15th century. It was written in Old Yiddish and adapted from an earlier German epic called Wigalois. It in turn established a small but enduring Arthurian tradition in Yiddish: two other Arthurian works, usually known as Artushof and Gabein, were adapted from Vidvilt in the 17th-18th centuries. Artushof was especially popular; it was printed in more than a dozen different editions over the course of about a century, one of which I wrote about in this post.

Someone else on here already did a good little overview of medieval and early modern Jewish knight stories here!

[queer-ragnelle]

Hi, I’m just curious. I know that the star/pentacle on a red background symbol for Gawain comes from the green knight but where does the double eagle on the purple background come from?

Hello!

This proved more difficult to find sources for than I anticipated. I didn't want to just say "French texts" and leave it at that. And good thing I didn't! I couldn't find a single textual description of Gawain's eagle device anywhere. Vulgate yielded nothing, no mention of an eagle shield in the stories of Chretien de Troyes. Not even in Le Morte d'Arthur does Gawain's device get a mention! Galahad's red cross on white is always described, Palomides's black armor and insignia is well-documented, but never Gawain's heraldry. Now I was determined to figure this out.

According to The Heraldry Society, many of the coats of arms we associate with the knights of the Round Table are believed to originate from illuminations made around Sir Thomas Malory's time and curated by Jacques d’Armagnac. From there, I was able to track down a book called The Manuscripts and Patronage of Jacques d'Armagnac which catalogues his vast collection. I edited the PDF to enable word-search as it's an 800 page volume and that will make using it much easier. Here's what I found:

Evidently, in an illustrated copy of the Prose Tristan, Gauvain is depicted with "rose arms with gold double-headed eagle." Later in the same text, Mordret's heraldry is described the same but with "a white horizontal bar through it," and Agravain's is once again identical to Gauvain's except with "a white diagonal stick over the eagle." There's no corresponding images present in the book, and what illuminations were included are completely illegible, the scan is atrocious. However each illumination is labeled with a corresponding folio and source text so whenever the British Library's Digitized Manuscripts are fully restored, maybe we can check that out.

And there you have it! As a bonus, here's yet another coat of arms for our friend Calvano, as he's known in Italian, inherited from his pops and described in La Tavola Ritonda.

Hope that helps, it's the best I can do with what I have. Take care!

[sickfreaksirkay]

so glad to find out that twitter culture has existed since the 13th century

[magicomens]

Hi! I saw the first installment of your comic a while ago, but I didn’t realize there was more! I’ve only watched Good Omens, and am vaguely familiar with the story of King Arthur. I think your comic is neat, and was exited to see there was more to this story than the first page.

Hi!! Thank u so much <3

Merlin took a lot of liberty with the source material, so keep that in mind if you ever get confused by this version's lore!

[gawrkin]

Why did gawain not become king of orkney after Lot died?

That's a simple question with a very complicated answer.

To be really, really, really short and concise**, it boils down to two things:

One: Lot originally didn't die fighting Arthur.

In the earlies stories of Arthuriana, like Geoffrey of Monmouth's Historia Regum Britanniae, Lot never warred with Arthur. The Sword in the Stone and the Mayday Massacre never happened in these older stories, so Lot has no reason to fight Arthur.

In fact, King Lot lives all the way to the end of Arthur's reign. Here's one example:

Didot Percival

So really, Gawain doesn't succeed Lot because originally, Lot was alive the whole time and Gawain dies at Mordred's rebellion before he can succeed Lot, who dies shortly after.

Lot's early death is actually a relatively recent Plot Point that was introduced in Vulgate/Post-Vulgate.

Its a retcon that only exists as a plot device to give Gawain a motive to be evil for revenge against Pellinore and his family.

There's also a bit Stations of the Canon at play here - Traditionally, Gawain is supposed to be one of Arthur's Greatest Warriors, so inevitably, he must join the Round Table... even when later stories change things so it doesn't make sense anymore.

By Post-Vulgate, Arthur is not only responsible for the death of his father but also seemingly the death of his newborn baby brother, Mordred. Gawain, logically, has no reason to like Arthur, much less join him.

So basically, its later retcons that don't jive with Gawain's positioning as member of Arthur's household. With Lot's early death, Gawain shouldn't be running around adventuring and questing when his homeland needs him to run things.

The medieval writers took for granted that Gawain is able to be present in Arthur's court for particular reasons.

Which leads us to the second reason

Two: Because then Gawain would be unable to adventure anymore

Basically, Gawain is a traditional hero of Arthuriana, and him not being in Camelot anymore would drastically change the cast dynamics and the story. It's like if Superman and Batman retired from the Justice League and didn't show up anymore.

Gawain can't meet Lancelot and join the Grail Quest if he's stuck up in the North, doing boring Kingly duties.

Ultimately, the Medieval writers just simply didn't care about Gawain's realistic feudal duties and obligations. To them, Gawain and the other knights are adventurer-protagonists: they're heroes first, feudal lords second.

That's why you don't see Lancelot managing Joyous Gard - that's boring real life crap the Medieval audiences wouldn't be interested in seeing. So, Lancelot goes around joining tournaments and beating up knights in random directions instead.

Arthurian Literature is essentially Chivalric escapist fantasy. It's about quests and fights, action and excitement.

And YES, it doesn't make any sense that Gawain isn't called "King Gawain"

**(I wrote an entire essay as an answer, only to stop I when realized its too long and overly wordy LOL)

[caer-gai]

Arthuriana ask game!!

bc why not

♘ Favourite Knight/King

🫅Favorite Lady/Damsol/Queen

💚 Favorite Quest/Story Arc

✒A Medieval Text You Like

📚A Retelling/Modern Work You Like

📽Recommend a book/movie/tv show etc

💛A Sibling Group/Dynamic That IS NOT The Orkneys

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿Okay Now You Can Talk About Orkneys

😤Your Most Specific Nitpick About Your Fave (anything from "Gareth would not have a beard" to "this is basically a different guy")

🥰An Arthuriana Headcanon

😏Gawain?

🥖Favorite French/du lac (Lancelot, Hector de Maris, Bors, Lionel, Galahad, ect)

👨‍👦Favorite Parent

🗡️Who Are You Betting On In This Month's Tournament?

🙏Pick A Grail Knight

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿Pick A Pelli Spawn (Percival, Aglovale, Tor, Lamorak, Aylane, Dindrane, Donar, ect)

💏Crack Ship (s)

🫂Platonic Ship(s)