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ohnomausey · 3 months ago
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Okay, so I was asked (thank you @schafpudel for allowing me to talk about my favorite academic research field LMAO) to post my elaboration on how Mytho is a combination of and commentary on two hero archetypes, namely two opposing pre-existing Siegfried-characterizations and how that is referenced in the show (mainly through the music).
Sooo in the first half of the show Mytho is mostly characterized by being the prince that stands between the black swan and the white swan, Odile and Odette, Krähe and Tutu. The according scenes are accompanied by the music from the ballet „Swan Lake“. The prince of the ballet (he is called Siegfried) is notorious in the world of ballet for being extremely passive in his role as a prince, having his decisions made for him. All influence he has on the story itself is also by him NOT doing something (for example while hunting he chooses NOT to shoot the swan etc.). He’s kind of infamous for that and created the archetype of THE *ballet*-prince many others were modeled after.
Officially Mytho's character theme is from another Tchaikovsky ballet suite: the Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy from „The Nutcracker“. The reference falls kinda flat and i am not 100% sure what it means but the Sugar Plum Fairy is not much more than a kind, soft, benevolent princess-fairy. It sounds the part too and i think the softness fits season one Mytho regardless.
The Siegfried-references that are a lot more interesting however come from the Wagner operas being referenced. WHENEVER (and by this I really mean every single scene) where the main focus of discussion is Mytho’s identity of the prince from Prinz und Rabe, or his returning emotions and agency, the music that plays in the background is Richard Wagner’s “Siegfried Idyll” which isn’t directly from any of Wagner’s „Ring of the Nibelungen“ Operas, but stands in close relation to them! It plays when he is waiting for Rue in the „On the Evening of the Fire Festival“ episode and dances with Duck instead and she notes how “this must be the real prince” and also „he danced with me because HE chose to do so!“, it also plays in a lot of scenes in between, e.g. one where Mytho himself talks about wanting his heart back in episode 14 and then most importantly during his transformation into Prinz Siegfried in episode 25, shortly after which he calls himself “Siegfried”.
Wagner’s Siegfried is the hero of the composers biggest work. He is also the “ideal man of the future” as coined by Wagner in his more sociological, revolutionary writings. He stands for heroism, revolution, standing up to the gods and bringing with him literally a new era of time (Wagner literally named his SON „Siegfried“ and wrote the „Siegfried Idyll“ for him when he was born. That is how much faith he had in the idea of this very masculine hero figure that will lead us all to peace and the future…). Wagner’s Siegfried is the ideal hero archetype as we still reference in stories today. He is fearless, strong, intuitive and reckless as he slays the dragon and gets the girl but also oblivious and easy to manipulate. He is also not much of an empath…
Raven!Mytho is characterized by „Siegfried's Death March“ from the last opera in Wagner's cycle („Götterdämmerung“) — the work that plays when Siegfried dies in the opera. Raven!Mytho is the subversion of the ideal hero, the prince that is confused by his ideals and twists them around: "If i am supposed to love the entire world, then everyone should love me in return". So the second season is Mytho being super close to reaching this ideal state of himself, but being corrupted before he can which as some kind of silver lining leads to him questioning the expectations that come with being a hero, or a prince and why he even wants this for himself in the first place. At least, that is what I think.
At the end, we look back on Mytho having grown from a passive, emotionless puppet that still held an almost intuitive protectiveness over those weaker than him (jumping out of windows and running into burning houses to save birds…) into the hero he is supposed to be: He becomes strong, assertive, forges the sword and slays the dragon (the Raven) like Siegfried does in Wagner's operas. But he is not fearless, or brash or wild like Wagner's Siegfried. He keeps the emotional, compassionate, even tormented ("feminine") side that the swan lake prince Siegfried carried. He cries when he finds out that a small, fragile bird was the one who brought him his heart back all this time and kneels in front of Duck RIGHT before he transforms in episode 25. And he also knows that there is a part of himself that will differ from the hero he is supposed to be, the selfish Raven-blood side that makes him more human than his existence as a sort of archetype would usually suggest.
So, long story short: Mytho is a wandering hero-subversion and commentary on the archetype and, in true Princess Tutu fashion, challenges traditional roles and gender norms while he is at it. The music has A LOT to do with this but it becomes evident even just in the story itself. Understanding the Wagner references just makes it evident beyond ANY doubt. It‘s a shame that a lot of it gets pushed back if you do not get the Wagner references (and to be fair, they are even more extensive than they should be — not everyone is going to understand them because they are so. goddamn. obscure.). It makes Mytho seem like a lot more of wasted potential than he really is. He should have had more time to develop in the series, directly. But giving him that would have led to other characters being pushed back. I think an additional one or two episodes to kind of stretch the second half of the series would have done the narrative a service, but that is critique on a really high level. I still think Princess Tutu is one of the best pieces of narrative media ever created.
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charlie-rulerofhell · 5 years ago
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Hey everyone!
For all those who wonder why i‘ve only been sporadically active on here recently: work has swallowed me up, both my job and my Bachelor‘s thesis (but i‘m working on new stuff atm, most of it fanvideos, so be prepared :))
Anyway, for said Bachelor‘s thesis i‘ve been working on a survey the past week which is now up for everyone to take part in (or to share. or to do both). in short, it‘s about language and emotion and how both influence each other.
You would all do me a huge favour if you could fill out the survey (it should take around 20 minutes, but it will be up until Jan 10, so don‘t worry, still plenty of time) or if you could at least reblog this post so more people can see it!
link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1MRHoiGTKZ1fzJJxOUmVOwiglvNUA8Ijqb8IaX9NwMYM/edit
Thank you already in advance! Have a beautiful day everyone and a wonderful christmas time for all those who are celebrating! ✨
— Charlie
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buy-me-a-color-tv · 4 years ago
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hello ✨
i‘d really like to continue our conversation but i can’t think of anything else except that interview. i‘ve been trying to wrap my brain around how the royal family is so full of elitist and racist assholes and how there were literally only ever two good people in that family, diana and her younger son. i just know she‘s looking at them from up there and that she is proud of harry and meg!! jesus. i watched a short synopsis of the interview this morning and it left me speechless, seething, shaking with anger. i feel so so sorry for meg and i have a very strong urge to burn down buckingham palace and i feel like every single person on tumblr would help me. jesus i just - there are no words. fuck lizzie and her entourage.
anyway
i hope your dinner went well!! i‘m adulting very hard right now as well, had a practical course the last two weeks about histology and identifying different types of cells like cancerous growths and i LOVED it (was very exhausting tho which is why i‘m only just writing you now). plus i got to see my friends and even with masks and distance, we were all so happy to see each other!! it‘s been a while since my whole life was pure happiness but the last two weeks definitely were!
i‘m sure you‘ll do just fine with your bachelor‘s thesis - even better probably!! i decided to wait until the next winter semester since i‘m still short a few credit points and i don‘t want to overwork myself too much - especially since most of my lectures have already confirmed to be online next semester too and this is something that drains me so much, i can‘t even say. i have never studied so much and retained so little information than the last two semesters. it‘s been a whole ass nightmare and i dread doing it again (and again, who knows?)
i feel you so much! winter blues? who is she?? the sun‘s been shining almost everyday where i live with temperatures up to 20 degrees celcius so i even studied on my balcony a little which was AWESOME.
the situation with covid is a bit of a mess right now. the numbers are going up but restrictions are going down and i‘m kinda angry about it. i don‘t get it. why couldn’t they have waited until mid april or so because by then at least half the population should have had their first vaccine shot but well, old white men in places of power, y‘know?
i found out that surgical masks, especially the ones with the metal pieces on the nose work best to avoid fog!
aaaah i‘m so happy for you!! congrats on passing your exams!! i am really proud of you and i‘m crossing my fingers that you‘ll get your thesis done well and find an excellent well paying job ✨✨ you absolutely deserve it!
oh jesus, my posts from my first tumblr years would just make me cringe, i‘d rather not look at them 😁 i was just a heart broken little baby teenager with parent-issues and lots of insecurities and i‘m SO glad i left that little dude behind. they were a mess and while i still adore them for making me who i am, i‘d rather not see all the shit their brain came up with 😆
i‘m once again off to study because as you might know, uni never rests and exams just keep coming 🙈
wishing you a good week full of happiness and good vibes!! take care of yourself 💕
yours,
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Hi there 💗
Oh god yes I feel exactly the same. The sad thing is nobody is really surprised by any of this not after how they handled Diana and also how they didn't speak out against the press 2 years ago. I'm just so happy for H&M, they can start a better life now and I wish them all the positivity they need.
My dinner went very well - and wow that sounds super interesting! I'm glad you loved it as well! And yeah I feel you with the friends thingy. I wish I could see mine but a lot of them live a bit further away and it's harder to meet during lockdown when nothing's open and all you can do is take long walks 🤭 but one of them made the journey two times during the last two weeks and I'm supper happy she did. We had a good time, cooked and watched a lot of football, so it was really nice ☄️.
God yes. Studying online over the last year was exhausting and draining and you're absolutely right I feel like I haven't retained any information so far. At least not anything useful. Thanks to a calculation error I've actually got all the credits I need so I'm really just missing my thesis right now 🙈 but there's news on that as well. Sadly the professor I initially asked doesn't have any spaces left for this summer semester, so right now I'm back to trying to find a new one while simultaneously gathering more information about my topic and writing a rough summary.
We've got a lot of cold sun in the last weeks and it's been pretty nice so far. I tried to go for a walk or run nearly everyday so I get some fresh air and movement which also helped a lot. 🦋 And speaking of covid, yeah it's been messy here too. Numbers going up and down and shops slowly opening - I don't think it's time for that yet but god I am tired of staying inside my flat the whole time. So yeah I went shopping this Wednesday, but it was super weird so I didn't stay long at all - it feels kinda wrong to just go back to 'normal' after such a long time. So more staying at home until I get that vaccination 🤭😅
I just went back to not wearing glasses 😂 sunglasses are fine but with my normal ones I guess I'll always struggle. But the ones with metal pieces are definitely working the best so far!
I'm super happy as well 🥺 just glad I got all of them out of the way now! I don't know if you remember but I told you about that lip infection a few weeks ago right? And I thought with antibiotics it would get better and dissappear in the end? Well no 😩 it got worse again and in the end they told me that it's a cyst that doesn't seem to go away, so on Wednesday they had to cut it out. It took wayyyy longer than expected because that thing was also bigger than they thought. I've got stitches inside my lip now and it's super annoying because they hurt and I still feel tired from the anesthetic. Sleeping and eating are also hard - so I'm being miserable since Wednesday 😂😪 I just really really hope that after next week I don't have to worry about that anymore.
Anyways you didn't ask for any medical information but it's been exhausting around here 🤭 I also have a kinda love/hate relationship with my past self? That girl only felt alone and needed somebody who would tell her that's everything is going to be alright and that questioning one's sexuality is absolutely okay - even if it takes you years or it never stops 🤍 but in the end it worked out and I am grateful as well. And I like to think my younger self would be damn proud of who I am today!
I wish you a wonderful week, lots of sunshine and good vibes ☀️☺️ and I apologise in advance for all the f1 content on this blogs but winterbreak is finally over 😅
🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍
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buy-me-a-color-tv · 4 years ago
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hello ✨
i‘m really glad you had a nice birthday and got new running shoes!! i‘m not much of a runner but before covid i used to play volleyball very frequently and i still remember when i treated myself to 250$ shoes for that - i felt like i was walking on clouds when playing 🤩 so i absolutely feel you, it might just be a small detail but the impact it can make is huge!!
ah i get that but the other way round. i used to spend birthdays and christmas with my parents but 2020 was the year i only spent it with my partner bc covid and we didn‘t want to endanger anyone as basically my whole family is high risk and it was SO weird. my mom still sent me cake but it felt different - a very good different though!! 😌
i feel you on the glasses. i could just not wear them as i technically only need them for driving but when i don‘t wear them for a day or two i get super nauseous when i put them on again for longer than an hour so i just keep them on and squint through the fog lol
it was very exhausting but it was a practical exam so we could go drink and eat when we wanted and i got an amazing grade on it so it was all worth it. i was very proud of myself after and i honestly don‘t think i ever fell asleep that fast than on the night after the exam. i literally could only just manage to take off my glasses and was gone 😆
i‘m really glad you’re feeling good!! i do hope that you can find happiness on your own. i did and i still fondly look back on that time of my life even though i have since moved on with my partner.
i feel you though. i had my tumblr blog since 2011 and i‘ve my most vulnerable and most important moments documented here. sometimes it does feel like a diary but a huge messy weird diary 😁
i hope you had a good week, maybe already got some grades for exams you aced and just overall enjoyed the days. it‘s been very spring-y where i live so I’ve basically spent all day outside the last week to catch some sun and maybe see the first butterfly or bee of the year!! i‘m really looking forward to spring and summer with new beginnings and new friends and maybe even a finished bachelor‘s degree. who knows 😌
i wish you a nice rest sunday and i‘m crossing my fingers for good grades for both of us ✨
much love, happiness and chocolate to you,
your favorite anon 🍫🍫🍫
Hi there love 🤍,
I'd love to tell you that it's been a busy week but it doesn't feel like it somehow. Lots of baking happened though! I've got my first dinner invitation this week as well, and honestly next to all the uni related emails and working it feels like I'm adulting all right. I still worry about my bachelor thesis but I will continue to do so until it's done in June, so I'm just gonna accept that.
I also got a lot better with finding small things that make me happy (sun!!! I missed that shiny orb so much and it made me feel so much more alive its ridiculous. Winter blues? ✔️ No, seriously this week was great for tiny bursts of happiness. It's not gonna be like this all the time but it feels nice to know)
I'm still amazed with my running shoes so to anybody who gets excited about getting new shows for sports or stuff - I feel you! (never thought I would but here we are)
Cake is always a good idea and that's really really nice of her? I guess you're going to spend your next birthday in lockdown as well? Or has the situation gotten better where you live?
Hey glasses-twins 🤭 I also only need mine for driving actually but I've gotten so used to wearing them over the last 3 years that I don't wanna miss them anymore. It's a love-hate thingy because I adore their shape and everything but I still don't like the way they look on my face a 100%. Foggy glasses gang 👌🏻 no mask has been able to prevent that so far and somehow I don't think there's ever going to be one either.
I'm honestly still amazed you did this and it makes me even happier knowing you got an amazing grade!! Well deserved 👏🏻💕 speaking of grades I found out I actually passed all my exams!! It still feels a bit unreal, and obviously I couldn't celebrate it with anybody but I'm relieved that part of University is over for now. Knowing that I only have my thesis left and then I can start looking for jobs and move on with my life is scary but I'm sure it's going to work out somehow.
It does feel like a diary. Sometimes I wish they made being able to reblog your own old posts more accessible than it is now - I may have been a mess in 2011-2014 but I had some good reblogs I'd like to find again some day.
It's been kinda springy where I live as well! The sun is coming out more and more often and even tho I have yet to see a bee or a butterfly it feels like it's gonna happen soon anyways 🌼 I actually love the warmer temperatures were getting right now. Still around 7-10° but at least you don't need to wear scarfs and hats anymore.
I hope you have a wonderful Sunday and a good start into the new week! Please let me know how your exams are going I'm thinking of you 💕💕
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schafpudel · 3 months ago
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#anyways this was my bachelor‘s thesis #no actually #i love musicology #and princess tutu is literally like 70 percent references from ballets and operas#music and all #i fucking love classical music #this is my contribution to Mytho lore #there is so much more to say about musical references in princess tutu aaaaa so if anyone wants to hear: pls humor me
Okay, so I was asked (thank you @schafpudel for allowing me to talk about my favorite academic research field LMAO) to post my elaboration on how Mytho is a combination of and commentary on two hero archetypes, namely two opposing pre-existing Siegfried-characterizations and how that is referenced in the show (mainly through the music).
Sooo in the first half of the show Mytho is mostly characterized by being the prince that stands between the black swan and the white swan, Odile and Odette, Krähe and Tutu. The according scenes are accompanied by the music from the ballet „Swan Lake“. The prince of the ballet (he is called Siegfried) is notorious in the world of ballet for being extremely passive in his role as a prince, having his decisions made for him. All influence he has on the story itself is also by him NOT doing something (for example while hunting he chooses NOT to shoot the swan etc.). He’s kind of infamous for that and created the archetype of THE *ballet*-prince many others were modeled after.
Officially Mytho's character theme is from another Tchaikovsky ballet suite: the Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy from „The Nutcracker“. The reference falls kinda flat and i am not 100% sure what it means but the Sugar Plum Fairy is not much more than a kind, soft, benevolent princess-fairy. It sounds the part too and i think the softness fits season one Mytho regardless.
The Siegfried-references that are a lot more interesting however come from the Wagner operas being referenced. WHENEVER (and by this I really mean every single scene) where the main focus of discussion is Mytho’s identity of the prince from Prinz und Rabe, or his returning emotions and agency, the music that plays in the background is Richard Wagner’s “Siegfried Idyll” which isn’t directly from any of Wagner’s „Ring of the Nibelungen“ Operas, but stands in close relation to them! It plays when he is waiting for Rue in the „On the Evening of the Fire Festival“ episode and dances with Duck instead and she notes how “this must be the real prince” and also „he danced with me because HE chose to do so!“, it also plays in a lot of scenes in between, e.g. one where Mytho himself talks about wanting his heart back in episode 14 and then most importantly during his transformation into Prinz Siegfried in episode 25, shortly after which he calls himself “Siegfried”.
Wagner’s Siegfried is the hero of the composers biggest work. He is also the “ideal man of the future” as coined by Wagner in his more sociological, revolutionary writings. He stands for heroism, revolution, standing up to the gods and bringing with him literally a new era of time (Wagner literally named his SON „Siegfried“ and wrote the „Siegfried Idyll“ for him when he was born. That is how much faith he had in the idea of this very masculine hero figure that will lead us all to peace and the future…). Wagner’s Siegfried is the ideal hero archetype as we still reference in stories today. He is fearless, strong, intuitive and reckless as he slays the dragon and gets the girl but also oblivious and easy to manipulate. He is also not much of an empath…
Raven!Mytho is characterized by „Siegfried's Death March“ from the last opera in Wagner's cycle („Götterdämmerung“) — the work that plays when Siegfried dies in the opera. Raven!Mytho is the subversion of the ideal hero, the prince that is confused by his ideals and twists them around: "If i am supposed to love the entire world, then everyone should love me in return". So the second season is Mytho being super close to reaching this ideal state of himself, but being corrupted before he can which as some kind of silver lining leads to him questioning the expectations that come with being a hero, or a prince and why he even wants this for himself in the first place. At least, that is what I think.
At the end, we look back on Mytho having grown from a passive, emotionless puppet that still held an almost intuitive protectiveness over those weaker than him (jumping out of windows and running into burning houses to save birds…) into the hero he is supposed to be: He becomes strong, assertive, forges the sword and slays the dragon (the Raven) like Siegfried does in Wagner's operas. But he is not fearless, or brash or wild like Wagner's Siegfried. He keeps the emotional, compassionate, even tormented ("feminine") side that the swan lake prince Siegfried carried. He cries when he finds out that a small, fragile bird was the one who brought him his heart back all this time and kneels in front of Duck RIGHT before he transforms in episode 25. And he also knows that there is a part of himself that will differ from the hero he is supposed to be, the selfish Raven-blood side that makes him more human than his existence as a sort of archetype would usually suggest.
So, long story short: Mytho is a wandering hero-subversion and commentary on the archetype and, in true Princess Tutu fashion, challenges traditional roles and gender norms while he is at it. The music has A LOT to do with this but it becomes evident even just in the story itself. Understanding the Wagner references just makes it evident beyond ANY doubt. It‘s a shame that a lot of it gets pushed back if you do not get the Wagner references (and to be fair, they are even more extensive than they should be — not everyone is going to understand them because they are so. goddamn. obscure.). It makes Mytho seem like a lot more of wasted potential than he really is. He should have had more time to develop in the series, directly. But giving him that would have led to other characters being pushed back. I think an additional one or two episodes to kind of stretch the second half of the series would have done the narrative a service, but that is critique on a really high level. I still think Princess Tutu is one of the best pieces of narrative media ever created.
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