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đ: What is your biggest unpopular opinion about the series?
uhhh I have many. I would say my most unpopular are probably:
I don't care that the show had no big "endgame" ships. I actually appreciated it being left to interpretation on where we want the characters to go. And throwing them into relationships given where they are at in the end wouldn't have made much sense anyway. (beardjane was terrible but i don't count that as a 'big' ship lol. no one was shipping them. TOMATOES!!! -500/10). the show's focus was never romantic relationships to begin with fwiw so it's weird how much people center that in their conclusion about whether the show was good enough.
Ted going home to Henry was also Really Good and the Whole Point/Natural Conclusion of his arc.
I liked that RoyKeeley broke up. Didn't love where they went with it necessarily, and both of their characters deserved to be written soooo much better in s3, but I do think the breakup itself was a Good Thing that Needed to Happen for these characters to progress.
Given the season and events as they are written, I think Keeley is far more likely to get back together with Jamie immediately post finale than she is Roy. (I don't think she should get back together with either of them right away, mind you. My girl needs some time to not exist as part of a relationship, because she has clearly spent most of her life being in relationships and it has caused Problems to her sense of self worth that i am desperate for her to healthily address. And then I would ultimately very much like her to end up with both of them, lol. But I'm just saying finale Keeley totally WOULD get back together with Jamie).
In a very similar vein to all the above, a criticism i see ALL the time that absolutely drives me UP THE WALL is when people claim the writers fell into the ol' GirlBoss Slay trap with Keeley, where in order to make her an Independent Confident Businesswomenâ˘ď¸ they had to remove all romance from her storyline and claim that's why they broke roykeeley up. The writers wrote Keeley very extremely terribly in s3, do not get me wrong. But this argument that writers just hate romance and don't see how a woman can be successful and also be in love (when Rebecca, a very successful businesswoman with a major arc about wanting to find love is their lead female character, mind you), just feels like baseless ragey criticism from people mad about there not being a roykeeley endgame. Look, if that's what the writers were trying to do, they don't even come close to fulfilling the other end of that promise (trading her romance to make her a Caricature Slay Business Woman) because 1. they don't show Keeley becoming independent with her business at all (Rebecca just swoops in and saves the day) 2. they do a very poor job of showing her overcoming imposter syndrome and coming into her own and 3. after the breakup with Roy, they literally show her immediately jumping into another relationship. sooo. I think it's much more likely that the writers were attempting to show Keeley spiraling in the same patterns of self-destructive behavior she exhibited in s1 and s2. rather than attempting to wash away all her flaws I actually think they were trying to highlight and reflect on those flaws. Unfortunately they just did it very, very badly and left out the necessary other half of the arc that makes it compelling and successful: actually giving Keeley the space to recognize and reckon with those flaws. the problem is they too rarely let their own characters talk and have it out in meaningful ways. anyway.
đ: What does everyone else get wrong about your favorite character?
Roy isn't like THAT but he's also not like that. you know. people are always falling in love with completely different made up versions they've got of him and then acting like their Roy is canon Roy. Idk who that guy is but he isn't Roy!!! ughhhhhh. sorry.
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An analysis on MePhoneâs complicated feelings about Bow.
Now, obviously, MePhone has a lot of distaste towards Bow in s1-- she did sort of force her way into his show mid-season, despite never having signed up. He didnât have any control of this situation, which we know now to be a very sensitive thing for him. As much as i adore Bow, itâs very reasonable that he didnât like her.
So because of her established tendency to wedge herself into his game/join despite not being allowed to, he takes extra measures to make sure she doesnât escape Idiotic Island.
This... does inadvertently contribute to four total deaths. Iâve written a whole analysis on why MePhone seems averse to causing harm himself! While this WASNâT entirely MePhoneâs fault (Marshmallow was the one who trapped her a second time- she wouldnât have died if she was only trapped once, but Marshmallow remembered it made her act wild), i canât imagine he doesnât realize he did play a part in that domino effect. Â
All of this was the catalyst for the four deaths in the finale (along with the general intervention of Meeple Inc.). Bow dies with MePhone4 and 5. I feel like that is significant-- while contestants die every now and then, MePhoneâs deaths are more serious (he isnât recoverable, heâs a robot), and Bowâs was, too, as it was permanent. This also led to the death of MePhone4S, as he allowed his own termination to bring MePhone4 back.
That all marks an incredibly dark spot in the history of II! It was the day he lost the only brother aside from MePad that heâd ever managed to bond with, as well as the first time MePhone has actually experienced death (as the first one was reversed with time travel), and it was with HER! That HAS to feel pretty weird.
And i donât think that his later dismissive references to her being dead actually challenge this-- MePhone notoriously ignores anything that makes him feel bad. He tries not to think about them at all, so it makes sense to me that he would try very hard to brush this off.
This is highlighted best here, i think-- this scene implies that MePhone had actually attempted to revive Bow on his own time.
[IDs: Image 1: Fan points angrily at MePhone4, holding an egg. Captions: Fan: âYouâre just saying that because you hate her!â (in reference to him being unable to revive Bow) Image 2: MePhone4 points back. Captions: MePhone4: âOh yeah? Weâll see about that.â Image 3: MePhone4 stands next to Marshmallow, pressing the MeLife icon for Bow. In front of him is a glitching, static-y silhouette of Bow. Captions: â[beeping noises]â Image 4: MePhone stands next to Marshmallow and Fan. All 3 are frowning. Captions: MePhone4: âSee? I didnât wanna disappoint you guys, but sheâs gone, for good.â]
He most likely wouldnât have known about this without trying, and this is pushed further by him admitting he didnât want to disappoint them. It implies he attempted to save her, failed, and then tried to cover up the fact that he just wasnât able to by not saying why he wouldnât bring her back.
As my friend Willow points out so wonderfully in their own analysis, MePhone takes his job as the only means of recovery very seriously. He DOES NOT want anyone to think he would allow someone to stay dead just because of his own personal dislike for them. (Please read their analysis! Itâs so good!)
Anyways. This is all a very long and wordy way to say i think that, at this point in s2, MePhoneâs thoughts and feelings towards Bow are really best described as âweird and complicated and kind of darkâ.
BUT! Even with s3â˛s more lighthearted themes, i actually think this MAY have a little to do with how quickly he turns around on BowBot.
So, like i pointed out, MePhone tends to hide his feelings. This also means heâs almost NEVER very open or vulnerable with anyone. There are only about two examples- the conversation with MePad in the cave (season 2 episode 14, after MePhone shows MePad the gemory of him escaping and rescuing MePad), and the conversation between MePhone and BowBot in season 3 episode 3- where he admits to feeling silly, and they comfort him over it. Being vulnerable with MePad makes sense- theyâre brothers. But BowBot makes a little less sense. Theyâre a contestant, and at the time, one he supposedly doesnât like. Still, he lets his guard down with them for a moment. I wonder if it has something to do with already having been with him at a very low moment. Whatever the case, his opinion on them seems to do a sort of 180 after that, and he quickly becomes much kinder to them.
[IDs: Image 1: A picture of BowBot, visibly distressed as Cabby questions her off-screen. Captions: Cabby: âHow are you alive? Why are you here?â Image 2: A picture of MePhone4, also visibly distressed by this. Captions: Cabby: âWHAT ARE YOU!?!â Image 3: MePhone4 stands next to Cabby with a disinterested expression, while she looks surprised as she was stopped mid-rant, still pointing at BowBot. Captions: MePhone4: âHate to break this magical moment but oopsies look at the time!â]
[IDs: Image 1: A picture of BowBot, with the camera zoomed in on the damaged part of their robotic shell to show that MePhone4 is looking at it. Captions: BowBot: âPlease, MePhone, donât make me go back out there.â Image 3: A picture of MePhone4, with an understanding look. Captions: MePhone4: âDonât worry. Iâll take care of it.â]
He both defends BowBot when Cabby is clearly upsetting them, and then also protects them when they donât want to go back out. Now- i think a lot of the second one has to do with the fact that BowBot is a robot, and MePhone seems to feel some bond for other robots, as a robot himself. But he doesnât know any of the details of this yet, just that he sees wires, and immediately agrees to help. This may be partially because the last visibly damaged robot he had seen would have been MePhone3gs, a departed sibling he was unable to help, but BowBot is here, theyâre alive, and he can help in that moment.
But without any context for whatâs happening with BowBot, he still mostly knows heâs helping some version of Bow. He is showing care for some version of Bow. And i think that has to have at least a little to do with their complicated history.
#inanimate insanity#ii mephone4#ii bow#ii bowbot#object show community#osc#object shows#long post#character analysis#SORRY FOR THIS. I HAD TO WRITE IT BECAUSE I REALIZED THIS WAS MUCH TOO#LENGTHY TO MAKE A REPLY TO SOMETHIN LOL
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megâs obx s3 thoughts (donât read if you enjoy jiara or donât want to read spoilers)
overall thoughts:
plotâiâve said it once and iâll say it again, i do not care about the gold plot. i like obx for the fun and goofy summer teen vibes with some messy romance and that silliness that we havenât really seen since season 1 despite tiny one or two line teases of it every so often. i donât care about the gold and i donât think anybody should be that rich to have that gold and seeing the kids at the end with all that money just felt SO weird in like a fanfiction i wrote at 13 sort of way. secondly, too much adults this season. yeah iâm an adult and i usually enjoy a good adult pov in a teen show but these adults are off the rails so itâs not like a splash of maturity and groundedness itâs just straight up murder and child ab*se. the only good adults on this show are the heyward parents and we barely got to see them but iâll give the writers what we did see was so warm and inviting and felt like the only safe space of this entire series. finally, although thereâs so much to touch on, the poguelandia bit really broke my suspension of disbelief bc where was the body hair and grease and sunburn?? i know this show is written purely to be a male fantasy but letâs be real.
characters:
popeânumber one character third season ina row!! he was amazing and is always amazing. it hurt seeing how pope was hurting because of his breakup with kie but iâm glad they didnât brush it all over and pretend it was nothing to him the way they wrote it for kie. it also felt realistically in character for the academic burnout and perfectionism to spiral when pope got back and temporarily drops out of school, but iâm so happy that it quickly got resolved of course with the help of popes loving support system. slay baby!!
sarahâbabygirl was a standout to me this season. i enjoyed her in s1 and was extremely bored of her in s2 but she came right back around and basically took all the screen time and did not disappoint. i mean, she did cheat on john b and thatâs icky but iâm not saying sheâs a good person her character was just really fun to watch if that makes sense. iâm still waiting for us to learn ANYTHING about sarah (or kie or any woman on this damn boat show) because right now sarah cameron is just an enigma and not much a human person. but madelyn can act!!
kieâwell, i really enjoyed kie in season 1 and i kind of felt meh in s2 and this season iâm just not able to enjoy her character anymore. the rich girl who wants to be edgy thing is getting old and like yeah i get feeling connected to your friends but babes being a âpogueâ (i cringe every time i hear it especially at this point in the show) is about growing up with all the cards stacked against you and being a poor kid on a super rich touristy island and like yeah the âkookâ kids are rich assholes but kie needs to stop getting so heated when people call her a kook because she is. anyway. iâm sorry but kie is just such a missed opportunity because the writers refuse to give her any sort of dimension besides being a not-like-other-girls girl and literally all of her scenes were either being an unhinged 16 year old trying to go dangerously flee to south or central america or jiara or with rafe cameron and i just couldnât enjoy any of her scenes. iâve given up on obx writing even one decent female character.
jjâi canât stand him anymore. i know, i know, heâs the boy of the moment but at this point heâs gained zero character development and all the other characters are off the rails so he feels so much less banana pants as he did the first season. and again, with no time for goofy silliness his character just faded into the background for me. i wouldâve loved to see literally anything in the way of character growth, like he couldâve have a good going back to school ark alongside pope or maybe gotten at job at heywards or anything but all of his scenes were either jb side kick or jiara and his actual character just fell flat for me.
cleoâi want a flushed out female character SO badly!!!!!!!! i canât wait for fanfic writers to give her some personality of her own because she and pope have fabulous chemistry and iâm rooting for them but i barely know who she is.
john bâhe got absolutely played this season. heâs grown on me a lot since season 1 but then he started to beat topper into oblivion and it really brought me right back to not liking this kid. i mean get that heâd just seen his dad murder people and thatâs super traumatic but like this show is already enough toxic masculinity and i just need him to find a different way to express himself. i know obx writers are not at all concerned with being socially progressive or conscious in any way shape or form but watching this show as an adult woman is just ~shakes head~
relationships:
sarah and john bâare they married? lmao i donât remember this at all. the wiki page says not legally so i donât even know but that seems on brand for the level of chaos that is this show. i feel like theyâve reached a point where they donât need to be together. like, iâm sorry but if sarah or john b were my friends iâd give them the advice to break up. like jb she cheated on you with an ex at the very first fight. and sarah, please just get with a guy whoâs stable and kind and not physically or verbally violent with you or anyone else. plus the chemistry was all off this season so even in their good moments it just felt like a sinking ship to me.
jj and kieâif you follow my blog you know my take on this ship. i tried to go in open minded but the writing was so poor that it didnât feel natural at all. the thing that really got to me was the âjayjâ nickname. i know it was all fanservice and the nickname is popular in the fandom but kie nor anybody else has EVER called him that prior to this season and it just felt so forced and weird. like sheâs always called him jj and thatâs already a nickname. whatever. i also wonder what actual jiara shippers think because i thought any natural chemistry was crushed with how awful the writing was. donât get me started on the entire weird dynamic with jj breaking her out and driving her around on his dirt bike in a high speed chase without a helmet on.
pope and cleoâfantastic natural chemistry and probably the most likeable couple this season imo. i wish cleo was flushed out and had her own characterization and layers because they have a lot of potential. theyâre fanfic-trope heavy as well but with tropes i like so iâll allow it. cleo getting along with popes family was so cute to watch and the way she and popes dad joked around was so natural and sweet.
final thoughts:
this was pretty negative and yeah i didnât know if i was going to even watch the new season because it feeling kind of bored and meh after s2, but i needed something lighthearted to watch and i wanted to see where they were going to go with the story, especially for pope because he really is one of my favorite characters atm. regardless, at this point i donât know if iâm gonna stick around for the next season or not. itâs really hard to watch a show that is as strong of a male fantasy as this one. like there are no fleshed out female characters, no queer characters, and itâs so hard to relate to what any of these characters are going through because theyâre living on deserted islands with shaved legs and bumping off of yachts to and from central and south america to go fight mob bosses and find an ancient city that was so easy to find i was shed of my suspension of disbelief. last thought, the dynamite scene was so wtf because whyâd he bring it (1) and (2) for that much money people could just absolutely mine that mountain, so itâs absolutely not âgiving up the gold for his sonâ kind of redemption arc that isnât possible for his character after all big john has done.
those are my thoughts. argue with me if you want but if you follow my blog you likely agree with some of these takes.
#meg watches obx s3#obx spoilers#might go back and delete this but needed to get my thoughts out bc nobody in my life watches this show and i need to vent on the web#so many typos but itâs the middle of the night and im on my phone whatever#meg shut up
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Since I did say "more on this later"Â but now itâs later and iâm not sure i remember what exactly i wanted to say....... so this might be kinda rambly, sorry
But an idea that @animate-mushâ brought up in in her liveblogging, and that Iâm definitely feeling in my watch, is that in season 1 of leverage the framing is very much that Nate is the Protagonist, the Serious Character with a Serious Backstory, and the rest of the team are Silly Criminals with their Amazing Talents but also Silly Quirks. You do get occasional sense of dramatic depth -- e.g. Parkerâs concerns over the orphans in Serbia, and Hardison comforting her, digging into their histories growing up in foster care. But itâs mostly played for laughs -- Parkers âkleptomaniaâ in the 12-step job (if thatâs even real, Iâm of 2 minds there), Sophieâs highly variable acting skills, Elliotâs heartbreaker history (also that âwhat were you doingâ âliberating Croatiaâ joke -- not strictly impossible, but pretty implausible to me that Elliotâs old enough to have participated in the Croatian war for independence!! Maybe the line was meant to refer to the Balkan conflicts of the 90s more generally??)
anyways, I think this a bad framing, because Nateâs backstory and characterization come off at least as silly as the rest of them. Not the bare summary of it -- his son died, his life fell apart in recrimination and guilt, thatâs pretty tragic, heâs still running instead of facing his grief and mistakes in handling it -- but a lot of the details donât really add up, and the actual presentation on the show has a lot of narm. I think it would be easier to stomach if the show wasnât trying so hard to convince us to take Nateâs pain more seriously than anyone elseâs.
Season 2 seems to be taking steps to address this -- first, by having Nate show some signs of progress, and second by giving him a bit more of a back seat. Well, not the opening ep, that was very Nate-centric (and in very silly ways -- the flipping over exploding car?!), but the Tap-Out Job and the Order 23 Job had more serious character beats for Elliot, and the Fairy Godparents Job had some real good moments for Sophie!
Specifically on Elliot -- I mentioned before that this is a show Iâm coming into with a lot of âfandom contextâ -- while I didnât read most of the discussions very carefully but Iâve been seeing a lot of fandom things for this show since I really got into online fandom in 2020. One of the things Iâve picked up by fandom osmosis is that Elliot is a fan-favorite, with some major angst.Â
âThereâs a lot of good Eliot Spencer meta going around (which is what has inspired this) and the take home that he is not redemption seeking. He is assured in his damnation and is choosing to do good anyway, because at this point why not?â
and this is BIZARRE to read with only season 1 for context, because there is NOTHING angsty about Eliot in season 1. Heâs a tough guy, heâs been involved in a lot of violence, but itâs always played for jokes, like Parker stealing the Hope Diamond and putting it back because sheâs bored. It really sounds like the fandom is talking about a completely unrelated character. But weâre starting to see hints of... something... in s2, e.g. with Elliot explaining to Sophie in the Tap Out job that heâs sees fighting as a way to get back some control over your life. Iâm eager to see what happens in the later seasons that leads to the fanon understanding of Elliot.
#yes i'm linking the same meta twice#even though it mostly isn't about eliot#b/c i'm lazy and already had it open#leverage#analysis#kinda#this is really disorganized but i'm too lazy to fix it#long post#sorry
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Okay so once again, 3 am thoughts have gifted me with yet another au. It is by no means original but screw it: SmithSwap
The only things Iâm switching is their ages, so now Nya is the older one, but it. Gets. Fun.
For specifics, as of the Pilots/S1 Nya is 15 and Kai is 11, because I want bebe kai
Now, prior to Wu showing up, itâs pretty much the same as canon only with roles reversed. Nya mostly runs the shop while Kai is trying to everything he can to make things easier for his big sister, and I mean everything. The only one Nya doesnât stop him from doing is cooking because Kai is the better chef, though neither can figure out why. Nya also likes to tell Kai stories of their parents since he canât remember them too well, much to his disappointment.
ANYWAY, Wu shows up, Kai gets upset heâs insulting his sisterâs work, then Skulkin show up. Kai does get snatched, much to Nya worry and canon continues.
Okay but also tiny spinoff, it also wouldâve been hilarious if Nya still got kidnapped because then when the guys meet Kai theyâd be like âwho is this sassy lost child?â
So then while Nyaâs training, Iâm actually going to say what happened when Kai is captured.
You see, a side affect of being really freaking old is that your perception of time changes, specifically how long periods seem shorter. Garmadon decided that because of the prophecy it would be best to snatch the Master of Fire, who he thought would be Ray.
So you can imagine his surprise when his Skulkin bring in a kicking, screaming 11 year old child.
He is, understandably, not happy and very confused.
He sends the Skulkin away and tries his best talking with Kai. Like, as little malice as he can in a gentle voice, and he actually learns a few things. 1) both Ray and Maya went missing years ago, 2) these kids have no idea about anything regarding the Elemental Masters, 3) Kaiâs sister has been raising him since their parents went missing, and sheâs only four years older than him
Understandably, he is concerned, but also sees this as an opportunity. If he raises the Master of Fire to be loyal to him, then heâll never want to fulfill his role in the prophecy, thus ensuring his victory. also he really misses lloyd and now when he returns heâll have two kids!!! how amazing is that
So yeah Kaiâs stay in the Underworld isnât that bad. This Garmadon guy is pretty nice, tells him awesome stories about his parents, teaches him a bunch of things(mostly how to fight), and really just acts like the paternal figure he never had(Garmadad is canon, no matter what form you can fight me on this). The only part that sucks in Samukai, but heâs just a jerk and Garmadon makes sure heâll never actually do anything to hurt him. He does miss Nya a lot though.
Anyway back with Nya and the guys.
They donât actually know the exact reason why she was here at the beginning. All they know was that Wu originally left for the Master of Fire and came back with her instead. They know she has a brother, but arenât quite sure how he falls into it.
They learn her full story the night theyâre heading to the Temple of Fire, at which when theyâre winding down Zane brings up how she never actually told them how she met Wu.
They are very concerned when they find out the whole story and swear theyâll help her get him back, which is nice.
Then she sees Kai But Actually Garmadon, follows, and bam Sword of Fire time. She isnât able to fully use it, but sheâs able to get a few sparks. However, things then start to take a turn for the worst.
Kai is actually here, very confused why Garmadonâs having him tied to the ceiling, but hey Nyaâs here! But then oh no he then realizes that Garmadon is the bad guy, which gets him upset and more then a little betrayed.
Seeing him hurt his sister, the one of raised him, actually has Kai pick up the sword and use his powers. Under normal circumstances, it probably wouldnât have been bigger than a few sparks, however Kai has his big sister in danger, dealing with the betrayal of an almost father figure, holding the Sword of Fire, and being surrounded by his element.
So yeah. Not that small of a fire.
The guys and Wu are actually able to to witness the truly incredible fire blast he lets out from the camp, put two and two together, and start heading over. Wu didnât follow NyaâŚ..because plot and was the able to help them fight off the Skulkin.
Anyway, itâs more than enough to dissipate the shadows, however it also wakes up the dragon. Garmadon, who is sort of panicking because That Was Not Supposed To Happen, ends up scooping up an unconscious Kai and the Sword and retreating to the underworld, leaving behind a very pissed Nya and an equally pissed Fire Dragon.
But yeah, Nya deals with the dragon, they get the other ones and head to the Underworld with Wu this time, and heâs actually the reason theyâre able to get past all the Skulkin.Â
But yeah, Samukai gets vaporized and Garmadon about to leave when a feverish Kai makes his way in and begs Garmadon to not do it and that they can fix things.
And GarmadonâŚ.actually pauses for a second and you can see the conflict in his eyes before he shakes his head and says âthereâs no going back for meâ and walks through. Kai then collapses and the end up heading back home.
As for whatâs up with Kai, who wouldâve guessed tapping into a kind of power you arenât supposed to have access to yet in a high stress situation would be bad for the body. He has a really bad fever but heâs fine after a few days.
The few month timeskip in between the Pilots and S1 is mostly spent training Kai, so they have quite a bit less free time. However when S1 starts and Kai hears about Lord Garmadon, he actually wants to check it out himself first.
So yeah, he meets Lloyd by himself and it actually doesnât go that badly. Kai actually buys some candy for them to share and they leave the town, and Kai actually starts talking with him. Eventually the topic comes up about Garmadon and Kai gives a rough basis about how he sort of got kidnapped, and then his work in progress plan of making him good again. Lloyd is completely down with seeing his dad again and says how they could probably get his dads attention if their got their own evil army.
And because theyâre both stupid kids, neither of which have had parents before, Kai thinks itâs a great idea.
So yeah. Thatâs why they find the Serpentine here.
Ofc, it isnât a right away type thing. It takes them about a month before they find the Hypnobrai Tomb, and Kai just plays off all his time spent out as him having made a friend, which they canât exactly argue with.
Ofc, canon still happens and when Kai was busy training Lloyd ended up finding the tomb and releasing the Serpentine, and they do their regular Canon Nonsense.Â
However, Kai is not too happy about the whole Attack Villages things and after a bit comes clean to the ninja about their original plan. They very much arenât happy, but admit his heart was in the right place and they doubt heâd pull something like this again.
Fast-forward a bit more, Kai is mostly chill with Zaneâs âweirdnessâ and unfortunately stays home when the Hypnobrai burn down the Monestary. Itâs only because the dragons were able to get out and protect him that he was still alive. Nyaâs actually the one who yells at Zane this time around because again. Kai almost died, but itâs all cool later and they find the Bounty :D
Anyway, Canon again continues. Kai is still really good with the dragons and is a little upset they need to leave. He also gets along really well with Ed and Edna. Then when Lloyd joins Kai is a littleâŚ.well he doesnât hate him but he does spend a while avoiding him.
Eventually Nya has enough of their dancing around each other and locks them both in the same room so they can talk it out. Turns out the reason Kai was avoiding him was because Lloydâs betrayal really hurt since they were supposed to do it to find Garmadon, not hurt people. They have a tearful apology, then Kai learns how much of a jerk the Serpentine were and is like âthe next time I see any Iâll protect you, since youâre like my little brother and as a big brother itâs my job to keep you safeâ
Now itâs Samurai Time :)
You see, this time around Kai has double reasons for being the Samurai. 1) Yeah, he hates being left behind and wants to be involved but also 2) he wants to keep his big sister and big brothers safe
So yeah, that happens. He does think itâs pretty funny when they keep trying and failing to one up him though.
But then :) He gets captured with Lloyd :)))
So yeah, that sucks but it only gets worse because while Kai was able to âsummonâ his Samurai Mech, he had to send it off to get the ninja away. So that sucks.
Garmadon eventually shows up to help since the Serpentine stole both his kids, much to Nyaâs chagrin.
Then comes the freaking Volcano Scene and this one is from Nya when she rescues Kai, then has to choose between Lloyd or the Fangblade. She ends up unlocking her True Potential by essentially leaving behind all negative feels she had for Lloyd and accepting him under her protection just like she did Kai.
The sheer torrent of water easily cools all the lava and thoroughly soaks them. But hey, even Kai has to admit being wet is better than being burnt alive. Also when the ninja start wondering aloud why the Samurai didnât help Kai bashfully admits he was the Samurai, and this thoroughly impresses the ninja since Kai is like, 12 at this point.
Uhhhh, S2 isnât too different. Kai is super happy that the dragons are back and is easily Ultraâs favorite. He isnât hit with either Garms spell nor the Tomorrows Tea, but is there to comfort Lloyd and says that even though he got hit with some magic stuff Kai is still going to protect him since heâs still his older brother. On the Dark Island Kai is heartbroken Nya got corrupted and swears heâll help fix her. When Garmadon gets purified Kai looses his shit and gets so excited since letâs goooooo not only is his dad not evil anymore they can go out in public together :DDDD
S3, also not too different. During the whole Love Triangle nonsense Kaiâs just sitting there so confused. Also Pixal joins team Kaiâs Older Siblings. Him getting captured was just him being at the wrong place wrong time. He has a really fun time time in space though, which was nice.
But uh. Then Zane hecking dies, which hits everyone really hard, especially Kai. Only this time, Nya ends up taking Kai back to Ignacia and opens up the forge again, pretty much cutting all contact with the other ninja, Wu and Garmadon. While it mightâve been boring and lonely, at least in Ignacia they were safe.Â
Kai isâŚhonestly really miserable, but hides it well. He can barely get up some mornings, but does so anyway since heâs desperately trying to act like things are normal, despite how Nya doesnât talk very much. He misses the other ninja a lot, even Pixal despite not knowing her for very long, but doesnât want to tell Nya since again, trying to make things normal again. Nya also doesnât let him out of the house too often, only really if sheâs there to watch him.
This routine goes on for about two months, until Lloyd shows up to try and get everyone back together. And Nya.....Nya doesnât like that.
She and Lloyd end up having a bit of a passive aggressive argument that is progressively getting louder until Kai just. Snaps.
He yells at them to stop fighting, how theyâre acting so horribly and that he wished things could go back to normal, how Zane wouldnât want this and that heâd be disappointed in them.
The two visibly flinch.
Then Kai realizes exactly what he just said and who he said it to. And he runs.
Nya and Lloyd both spend some time in silence, mulling over what Kai just said because he was right. Zane would hate whatâs become of the team and how they separated.
Nya ends up being the one to break the silence, asking Lloyd where and when to meet.
When Kai doesnât return from the woods, she ends up leaving a note before she leaves, explaining where sheâs going and how sheâs sorry.
Meanwhile, Kai is having a slight breakdown in a Tree Base he made years ago.
But yeah, fast forward a bit and Kaiâs getting ready to sneak onto Chenâs Island, but in a slightly different way than canon. Instead he takes a slightly experimental ship thatâs basically a smaller Bounty which he calls the Destinyâs Wish. Think of the comparison like a Car vs a Go Cart. Comfortably, it can fit 2 people long term, but for quick trips can carry as many as 10, but itâll be a tight fit and the Wish might have some trouble flying.
So yeah, heâs on his own and he doesnât arrive until a few hours before the EMs all get dropped from the plane. Shade is actually the one to find him first, but has a moment of pause since Literal Child and gives Kai enough time to kick him into a tree and run. The whole chase actually lasts about two hours but unfortunately Kai isnât able to get back to the Wish and gets caught.
Now for the fun part :)
So all the EMs(and I do mean all because he wanted to âthank them for their contributionâ) are in the throne room, their powers snatched, when Chen said aloud âBut it is such a shame that we donât have the Master of Fire, the weâd be able to complete the spell.â and for the briefest second the Ninja Fam are relieved but then Chen does a whole âSIKE, WE GOT HIMâ and has some of the guards bring Kai out.
The Ninja are, understandably, freaking out. The EMs kinda are too since Child but only a little bit and itâs not personal
But then just as Chenâs about to snatch his fire, Kai starts saying how Chen cheated since Kai never got to play in a match. Chen refutes it since His Game His Rules but then Kai says that age old statement to get siblings to do Stupid Shit: âWhat are you, scared?â
Chen is not scared, thank you very much. And you know what, since youâre so confident fine, you now get your own challenge!
So yeah, now Kai has his own challenge.
What is it you might ask?
A vertical obstacle course with a time limit. If Kai doesnât grab the Jade Blade, the exit closes.
Not that bad you might think. After all, Kaiâs been training with the ninja for the past year, heâs probably got this in the bag.
Yeah welllllllll, a little bird told might have told Chen that a certain Master of Fire couldnât swim.....so he uses Nyaâs power to gradually fill up the room and forcing him up.
Surprise surprise, it was rigged against him. Iâm talking platforms having false bottoms, ladders being oiled, high pressure water jets to knock him off, the works.
Kai is so close to making it. So close..... but Chen canât have that happen now can he :)
So yeah, Kai ends up falling in and Nya almost drags all the EMs into the water trying to get him.
Luckily itâs at that moment Lloyd bursts in with Garmadon, frees the EMs and gets Chenâs staff. The EMs bust out and just as Nyaâs about to dive in the whole thing starts draining, like an enormous whirlpool.
You see Chen actually thought ahead and realized that âhey, if the kid dies heâll loose his powerâ so he made a plan that when Kai was going to fall in, he would use one of the tubes that shot water but in verse and suck him in. Luckily he was able to pull it off before the gem was smashed because if not MMM.
So yeh, Kai is now captured, but still on the island. Skylor reluctantly copies his powers(she got sort of close with Nya and this is the little brother she was gushing about), and Anacondrai happens. However, the two are able to escape, Skylorâs actually able to figure out the Summon Dragon thing, and then they head back to the main group.
Then comes the inevitable question of âhow did you get here anyway?â and then Kai shows them The Wish. He actually ends up flying back with Garmadon before all the EMs learn how to Summon Dragon so they can warn people about the ensuing danger.
So yeah, they head out, the Pythor thing happens, canon then Sad because Garm still needs to do the whole sacrifice thing D:
That one hits Lloyd and Kai really hard, but they both use each other for comfort so it isnât as bad as it couldâve been.
But yeah, this is getting long so tbc for a part 2 :DDD
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Thoughts and Reaction to ROCKETEAR!
It's a long post, but when are these ever really short? xD Seeing Carapace first made me so excited. I've been sad we haven't had much of him in the show. And then I saw that it seemed like Ladynoir was doing pretty good as they only had Carapace helping them this time. More S2 & S3 like. So I was like cool, cool, this is great. But what the heck scientist WHY ARE YOU BRINGING TYRANNOSAURUS REX'S BACK! Obviously she's going to be something big later on, she's too nicely animated not to be back. Not to mention Bob Roth's plans. Anyone else both intrigued but also scared at what that could do later? Big upcoming plot point, I think.
I screamed awwww because this is everything. I've wanted a LB/Carapace and Marinette/Nino friendship bond in this show since season 1. This scene made me incredibly happy! I'm a huge Nino fan, for those that don't know, so you can imagine how much I love this episode. Even though sad Nino.
"Alya, everyone has to believe that you will never use the Miraculous again!" End of episode: So anyway... So what I'm seeing here is, Alya's not fond of the idea of being just a spy, not being in on the action. Even though it's Ladybug's plan. Chat Noir isn't fond of what's going on right now either, where he thinks what's going on is all Ladybug's plans. Alya makes the decision to not do what Ladybug wants and tells Nino she's still Rena Rouge. So what's Chat Noir going to do to go against her? Because that's coming up on the horizon. Despite everything being easier for Marinette since everything's not just on her shoulders now, she's still been unable to play video games with her dad, and we know how much she loves doing that. :c That's really sad she doesn't even have time for her family anymore. DJWifi over here being all adorable. "You don't love me anymore!" Me: *Chat Blanc flashbacks* Alya suggests her new content could be Chat Noir edits and Marinette's like YES DO THOSE. Then those edits helped push Nino into thinking she was into Chat. Big oops. Not gonna lie, the rewind freaked me out for a moment. Last time I saw that was Chat Blanc so I thought something big was up. But nope, it's just like that scene in Puppeteer 2. Ugh poor Nino! He knows something's bothering Alya, but she won't say what it is and her behavior's too off from how she normally is. Poor guy. x.x Grumpy Nino that Carapace doesn't get attention and then they wrote his girlfriend with Chat Noir. I remember when Alya was grumpy for a bit about Rena Rouge not getting a party to celebrate her. Movie Ladybug telling Movie Chat Noir that he's better with Movie Rena Rouge. Is this a reference to the episode in Avatar, The Ember Island Players? Getting strong vibes when Play Aang and Play Katara were like, we're just friends nothing more and it's great! Play Katara was extremely into Play Zuko. I can see why Ladybug dismissed the movie (or was it the previous one since it's been awhile? Maybe?) because Rena Rouge and Chat Noir???? The writers (of the movie) just wanted to be different because everyone can see Ladynoir, unless they're blind. Alya and Nino are Andre's favorite couple. YES THANK YOU. I mean they're not my favorite because Love Square. BUT they're my second favorite next to them. Those kids are super adorable but definitely that kid playing Chat wasn't doing Nino any favors. First picture Alya shows. Chat with a heart tail. Yeah that's not doing her any favors lol. Nino: UGH CHAT NOIR'S COMING IN BETWEEN ME AND MY GIRLFRIEND. I KNOW, I'LL CALL MY BEST FRIEND TO VENT TO ABOUT IT. Best Friend Chat Noir: Best Friend Chat Noir: Welp maybe I should see what's up. Maybe I went a little to hard on the cat charm and she's fallen in love with me. Me: Oh oof here we go. Also can I ask, if anyone knows, who animated this episode? The fluidity is great and it looks really pretty. But it doesn't quite look like SAMG's work either. Whoever did it, I love it. S2 Chat Noir: You're not replacing me with a turtle, are you? :c S4 Nino: Who would want a reckless turtle as a partner? BOYS STOP. But yeah this whole scene had me laughing so hard XD Very dramatic and I love it. Nino's hilarious even when he's worried and sad! I would've absolutely loved to have heard this in English with the old English voice of Nino, but the new one worries me on whether or not he'll do a good job sounding like Nino and less high-pitched and whiny. :/ New York Nino was great but S4 Nino....x.x THE TRANSITION BETWEEN HIS INNER MONOLOGUE AND SPEAKING REGULARLY AGAIN đđđđ Brilliant! It doesn't really feel like Miraculous Ladybug this episode, and I love it. Not that I don't love the show as usual but wow this is great. Okay, I want to point out that Chat Noir
probably was more worried about it than he would've been otherwise because of what happened with Marinette in Weredad. It probably made him more cautious about this sort of thing.
LOL Chat's sulking because Alya's laughing at the idea of being interested in him. đđ I know that's a blow to one's ego and all, and he's dealt with this kind of thing a lot so I do feel bad for him, but that is his best friend's girlfriend and he definitely doesn't want her to like him. Alya: With him it's not just â¤ď¸it's *makes massive hand gesture indicating she loves him deeply* SO SO SO CUTE OKAY ALL THIS DJWIFI đ Alya: And I don't even know your secret identity! I would never fall in love with someone I don't know. Chat Noir, literally fell in love with Ladybug, whose identity he doesn't know. Well Alya, I wonder if you saying that matters for later somehow.... o.O Nino running away crying is honestly one of the things that hurts me most in the entire show. Ugh. Adrien over here being all, I'm having a good day. I'm happy and smiling and it's great. And then it wasn't. Adrien, if Nino let him and didn't interrupt, would've told him about how Alya really doesn't love Chat Noir, and that would've seriously led up to his identity being exposed since Nino was watching and filmed them. o.o Did you notice how he was going to tell him about it? S4, the basement is where it's at. Adrien: Uhh, when did you arrange all this? Nino: *pounds fist on desk* I ASK THE QUESTIONS! đ So like. Why is Nino interrogating Adrien when he's after Chat Noir? He doesn't know they're the same person. XD He's looking at him like Adrien has info he's keeping or something omg.
Also again this animation is so nice. Adrien, feeling uncomfortable and so turns the music off. Nino, wanting his dramatic music on while he interrogates Adrien, turns it back on. Adrien, feeling even more irritated and uncomfortable, wants the music OFF and turns it off. Nino, turns the music back on. This may be a reference to something, I don't know, but lolol it's so funny. This episode is both super hilarious and super angsty! Honestly they've done such a good job in my opinion. Nino: I'm talking about something that I shouldn't tell you! ...but I'm going to tell you anyway! Alya's Rena Rouge and I'm Carapace! Okay but the way Adrien went from shock to utter anger, knocked his chair back and grabbed Nino's shoulders like "Tell me the truth. You two know about each other?" Aw man, my poor sunshine boy. A lot of the stuff bothering Adrien is all circumstantial, none of it is to purposefully keep him in the dark. And yet from his perspective, that's how it looks. "I thought secret identities must be protected at all times! If that was the truth, you would never tell me this!" Alright so three things. If he's referring to him saying that Nino and Alya know about each other, that was situational and important info for him to know now that this is out. It wasn't important to know before this. The time it happened was dire and was really no time to get around it. If he's talking about Nino telling him the secrets, well yeah that's not supposed to happen and Nino broke that trust. But also, I get the feeling pretty strongly at this point Adrien's going to be breaking some rules too and one of which is he's going to tell Nino who he is. Adrien's being too emotional in this scene to not be involved in it all, I'm wondering if that's going to be questioned later by Nino. He's acting like he knows too much to be a random viewer of the heroes like the rest of Paris. Also Adrien's best friend just totally dissed Chat Noir and went off about how he throws himself at Ladybug whenever he sees her with roses and love confessions. đđđ This is just too funny! "But he's always rejected because Ladybug finds him annoying! And she's completely right!" Omg Nino, that's not the reason anymore, shush! "And then Rena Rouge appears and he goes *tickles under Adrien's chin* hey pretty lady! You look elegant and you have great perfume." OMG does Chat Noir actually say and do stuff like that to Rena Rouge or is he just exaggerating here XD "If I could I would shut his mouth forever!" Yeah Nino, say what you really think about your best friend in the entire world. Yikes poor Adrien though. I never imagined he'd hear all these bad things about himself from his best friend directly like that. :/ That's a major misunderstanding of him. Which kind of pushes me more towards the "he's going to tell Nino" theory. Sad Adrien transformation DDDX Alya: *explained everything about why Chat Noir went over to her house in the middle of the night* Marinette *facepalm* Ugh that Chat Noir... Well at least there will be no misunderstandings there! xD "Chat Noir, you stole Alya from me! I will steal your life from you." Good lord man calm down. You can't just kill a man! Fanon: Chat Noir gets attacked by a guy over Marinette. Canon: Chat Noir gets attacked by a guy over Alya. Time to go back to the basement! lol Nino's music's still playing xD And the video is left with it paused on Chat Noir hugging Alya. Marinette looked a bit sad, but it was probably more about the situation being a mess rather than being sad he'd hug her. Meanwhile, Chat Noir's fighting Nino and would rather get beaten up by him than fight. x.x "I can't believe that I doubted you." "I can't believe I chose to do anything but be with you!" She wiped away akumatized Nino's tear just like how Ladybug wiped away akumatized Chat Noir's. ALL THE PARALLELS đđđ But that hug is so sweet!! Nino broke off the akumatization just like Alya did :o Dang, I wonder if that means something later too. "Love and secrets do not go well together, Ladybug. And I'm sure you have a lot of
them!" Secrets = from Chat Noir. Love = for Chat Noir. Yeah even Shadow Moth knows at this point. xP Thanks for that foreshadowing. Nino's charm is my favorite charm so far! It's my favorite shade of blue. Chat Noir: Everybody has doubts sometimes...even me." Ladybug: Is everything okay, Chat Noir? Chat: Oh yes...pound it!
So um. The placemet of Adrien's poster in between Chat Noir, Ladybug, and just with this entire situation feels very strange. Very intentional. But no clue exactly what that could mean..... Nino and Alya are happy over there watching those two, like they're waiting for them to figure things out or something. But really, Adrien should've talked to Ladybug when he could still do so calmly and be reasonable. I doubt that's going to be the case later on. And honestly Ladybug doesn't even know what's going on. Every episode we've seen really either has them working together or she's unable to be Ladybug when he's unable to be Chat Noir most of the time. I've said it before but these two really need to communicate. Nino and Alya are like a less adorably romantic version of what they'd be. "But they're a couple and they know their secret identities, so why does that rule exist for us but they can know?" Very simple. Because they were temporary holders and the Miraculous they had, Hawk Moth hasn't made it his life's mission to obtain, unlike them, who are permanent holders and Hawk Moth's been after them fiercely to make a Wish that could destroy everything. But. The fact he's asking this, and Marinette's Chat Blanc nightmare, really points in the direction that he's going to eventually find out that while she's thought about telling him all along, Chat Blanc's kept her from doing so.
Okay, so while it looks like he's staring up at the moon, if you notice, it really is just one of the pink bubbles.
Now, they could be making it seem like it's the moon though to give it a double meaning. But poor Kitty, he's feeling so awful right now over in that dark corner Dx Nino felt bad for only two episodes? and it got resolved, so hopefully this all won't last too much longer for him! Marinette had a few shaky episodes so hopefully he'll have a few before it gets resolved. But somehow I think that may be wishful thinking. This episode was so amazing, honestly. Wonderful writing, made me laugh a lot, aw a lot, and hurt a lot. It focused on the core 4 characters which I've wanted more of for a long time. The animation was beautiful. And it just felt so different in such a good way. Chat Noir's having a hard time right now, and I know there's a lot of anger and hate about it going around. But please, think of this as him hitting a rough spot in the road to a much better and brighter future. He's going to end up okay, he'll understand it all someday. And that day's honestly not that far for him if you think about it.
#ml#miraculous ladybug#ml spoilers#ml season 4 spoilers#chat blanc#rocketear spoilers#ml spoilers season 4#toujoursmiraculous thoughts and reaction#ladybug#chat noir#carapace#rena rouge#alya cesaire#nino lahiffe#marinette dupain cheng#adrien agreste#miraculous tales of ladybug and cat noir
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This is my 4x12 review - skip if you havenât watched yet.đ
In my opinion the whole Treasure Hunt thing, had a S2 bank mystery vibe about it. Like the silly calm before the storm, again in parallel to right before when Buck was hurt.
I knew the Author jerk is alive the second I saw the actor who played it, the was not one show where he guest starred and wasnât a jerk đđ
So since I did my own version of live writing, I apologize if this is a bit disorganized.
We got so much buddie bread crumbs, that eventually felt like a meal at the end of the episode so letâs start with: Both boys in sunglasses - oh WOW! đĽđĽÂ Â
Bobby sending Eddie with Chimney and Buck looking thoroughly unhappy to be separated from Eddie. They nod at each other and while Buck frowns at Chimney, Eddie crosses himself before going to get geared up.
It was a small gesture but very significant because Eddie has already crashed in a chopper (in 3x15 and watched Hen and Strand crash in the crossover) he knows what could go wrong.
Chimneyâs âcheer up you can go next timeâ doesnât really reassure Buck. I think a âweâll be fineâ or âIâll keep him safeâ would have calmed Buckâs nerves a lot more.
Can we discuss for a second how HOT!! Eddie looked doing the aerial rescue? I mean WOW, I watched it several times. đĽľđĽľđĽľ
The 118 sitting together trying to figure out the riddle was funny, everyone thinking how itâs a bad idea to even consider this to be a real thing, except for Buck, of course. đ
And while the others are already considering how freaking horrible the rest of their shift is going to be like, because itâs all over the news thanks to Taylor Kellyâs story.
Eddie called Taylor - Buckâs âgirlfriendâ, but we donât see his face, we do get to see it, when Buck stresses (for what feels like the millionth time from the sigh and tone of his voice) that she is his friend not his girlfriend.
Eddieâs âYeah, sure, right.â face is priceless!!đđ Â
Buck and Taylor plotting together again, is always hilarious, those two are disaster magnets, it makes for good fun. What bothered me was that Buck offered Taylor to pair up, but re-watching, everybodyâs reaction didnât exactly originally encouraged a teaming up vibe.
However the problem with human nature is - everyone love to obsess over riddles. đđ
Eddie jumping through the window into the fire truck? epic!
Eddie did suggest to team up to Buck and I love that even after Buck told him heâs working with Taylor, the look on Eddieâs face melted Buck almost immediately and had him suggesting Eddie joins the two of them. đĽ°đĽ°
The scene in Buckâs apartment, with the three of them Eddie is right between Taylor and Buck in the shot and kind of âtalking to himselfâ was so funny. - Gave me a BBC Sherlock scene between Irene Adler, Sherlock and John.
The way Martin Freeman stole the scene just by dropping small comments. I gotta give it to Eddie, out of all of everything in that scene, Ryan performance is what Iâm going to remember. - Acting choices were made all throughout this episode by both Oliver and Ryan.
Also can we talk about the fact that Eddie is now stating little bits of knowledge like Buck now -Â âI can know weird stuff tooâ from 4x03 is so haunting me, these boys have totally rubbed off each other. (get your minds out of the gutters... for now anyway đ)
I love how Eddie and Buck sit down and scratch, just thinking about the fire ants đđ
Buck being lowered into the septic tank - notice, Eddie is the one handling the rope, again, his expression worried while Buck is still down there, especially after having to drop him into the water.
I have noticed that Bobby sent Eddie up in the chopper, but is reluctant to send him under ground still đđ
Buckâs âcome onâ when Eddie and Bobby made a face and walked away from the stench was so funny. Also super adorable on Buckâs part.Â
I love how Taylor keeps shutting Buck down, itâs amusing to watch now that I know how the episode ends.
Athena being done with idiots the entire episode was hilarious! Angela is a queen!
I loved that 9-1-1 dispatchers were running a bet of places where the treasure may be. (Joshâs âWho thought that was a good idea?â and someone shouting ânot it!â had me in stitches đđ)
Letâs take a break from buddie for a second:
Hen and Chimney joining the race and Bobby trying to hide his research from Athena was so funny, I mean, she is a police sergeant, there was no way she wouldnât figure him out.
Bobby planning a future together, a life after the job, and Athena shutting him down. I do think this is what will come between them eventually. Athena making a unilateral decision, without considering even talking about a future with Bobby that doesnât revolve around them working until theyâre either forced out or buried six feet under ground.Â
I find it interesting because itâs usually the other way around, my mom has been working on my dad to retire for years now so they can travel before both of them are too old to do it. So I kinda get where Bobbyâs coming from.
In parallel though, Athena making the unilateral decision like Eddie did when he re-enlisted in 3x15. I do hope Bobby and Athena manage to work things out, I love them together.Â
Back to the hunt:
Of course Athena worked out where the treasure is, Karen built an algorithm, and Taylor apparently helping Buck and Eddie figure it out bringing all three teams together.
Athena looking to Buck and Eddie asking them if they seriously brought their gear with them and Eddie pointing at Hen and Chimney to divert the attention from them about their med-kits. - like children trying to justify themselves to their parents. đđđ
Wasting time negotiating about the money was hilarious, especially with Taylor in the chopper hovering over them lmao.
And then there was probie - Jesus! I laughed so much. đđ¤Śââď¸
Also Buckâs âIâm not doing anymore mathâ, as a reference to âshe taught me mathâ, Buckâs not doing that shit. He calculated enough for one day and he is done! đ
I do like that Oli and Ryanâs marks are closer together again âŁâŁâŁÂ Â
Eddie: âWe didnât kill himâ Buck: âWe just wanted toâ Bobbyâs âShut upâ face killed me.
Probie selling them out âI donât know these ppl.â You donât say shit like this as a probie đđđ
Also Rick saying âI didnât actually think it wasâ and I'm just enjoying the moment, was awesome. I like it when he shows up in episodes, he and Athena make a good and amusing team.Â
Back to buddie bread crumbs:
Everyone in Bathenaâs house, including Taylor, who took the place next to buck, leaving Eddie to sit directly in front of Taylor and next to Chimney. - The âAt this point I donât trust anyone.â cuts to Eddieâs face, that looked as if heâs saying âSeriously dude? hurtfulâ - The fact that Buck stopped and met Eddieâs reproachful gaze even though they are not directly in front of each other says so much!Â
Also the âStop for a second and think about what you said.â looks from Chimney and the others are very meaningful. (#everybody knows đ) Buck sticking his foot in his mouth and him backtracking are shot directly from Eddieâs perspective. - hmm, I wonder whyâŚ? đ§đ§
And to complete the meal:
Taylor placing Buck directly in the Friend-Zone category, was genius. And while Buck and Taylor have a fun energy together it never really felt romantically oriented. Also I have a certain feeling that seeing Buck and Eddie interact, at Buckâs place and at Bathenaâs house and not for the first time either, she knows it will not work between her and Buck.
Buck, trying to feel something more for her, even if in a gentler and way sweeter way than the cursed ship I will not name, it feels forced on his end too - and Taylor lets him off the hook in a gentle way too, I like her for that even more.Â
I really hope we keep seeing Taylor in a friend capacity for Buck, I think itâs good for him to have support and someone to talk to outside the 118. And I will absolutely worship Taylor if she will be the buddie catalyst, I mean Megan does ship buddie too, it will only be appropriate đđ
The episode in itself was pretty nice, I would have probably enjoyed it more if I watched it before LS who absolutely kicked me in the feels today. But I do know that just like 9-1-1 2x15 Iâll go back and watch it like a million times because it is a fun episode to pass the time, and the buddie crumbs were delicious.Â
The promo kicked me in the feels too, I will not discuss it here right now, but I do hope that that last part wonât be a cliff hanger and weâll have to wait an entire week for the rest, two weeks of frayed nerves are a LOT to suffer through đ
Sending big hugs out there to whomever needs it đ¤đ¤đ¤
#9-1-1 4x12#118 firefam#evan buckley#eddie diaz#buddie#the buddie crumbs were yummi#i want more of those#everybody knows#bathena#Henrietta Wilson#chimney han#taylor kelly#love her for friend zoning buck#now somebody get rid of the other pesky LI#i don't usually say this but#jealous!eddie#was everything#can't wait for the next episode#someone sedate me
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His Dark Materials S2 Ep 6 - Rambling/Thoughts
I really cannot believe that weâre at the penultimate episode already, oh my gosh. Itâs gone by so fast??
Again, because Iâve reread TSK in the last couple of weeks, the book is fresh in my mind but Iâve probably still missed stuff
Also last week was so intense and seeing the âpreviously onâ section made me remember just how intense that was, so itâs a hard job to top that!
ANGELS AHH RIGHT AWAY IM GEEKING OUT
âThe last time they were seen was to make warâ - ITâS HAPPENING ASDFGHJKL
Ruta going off to see Asriel and me just remembering what exactly went down between them while she was there with him... heh
So Willâs hand looks AWFUL oh my god poor Will đ
Pan is REALLY into his Red PAN-da form oh my goodness
So the other kids out for revenge terrified the living SHIT out of me, dear god I donât think it could be any creepier than dozens of them appearing out of the shadows like that, like itâs genuinely terrifying
Serafina just dropped right in to rescue them and I was both relieved and a little disappointed? Because in the book the whole chase sequence is so much longer and more important, like it takes up most of an entire chapter I think, and here itâs like two minutes?
Serafina: What does this edge cut? // Lyra: Everything (Will at the same time: Nothing.) - đ
I missed Lee and Jopari tbh so yay to seeing them once more! And theyâve crossed into the next world!
Oh hi again Mary!
^ I wasnât expecting to see Mary again this series because in TSK book, her last appearance is going through the window (which was last episode), so Iâm a little curious as to whether weâre going to get a TINY little peek into The Amber Spyglass here (itâs been years since I reread it, I apologize). Because last series they did a bit of TSK (namely introducing Will + him crossing into Cittagazze), so it would be interesting!
âGood, something I can understand for a changeâ - LOL Same
Serafina wants to take Lyra back to her world?? Really??
Not gonna lie, the two girls spying on Mary was kind of low-key creepy
Lyra mentioning that she crossed worlds to find out about Dust and mentioning Roger đ
Also Iâm so emotional over just how much she wants Will to be safe, like she would really do anything to keep him safe and I love it
Lyra asking the Alethiometer where Willâs dad is and âheâs in this worldâ - ahhh itâs going to happen!
Also I really hope that the BBC/whoever decides to sell replica Alethiometers because the design is so beautiful?! I would fork out serious dough for one, and it would go nicely with the one I have from the film
No but seriously, words donât describe just how badly I want a replica
âI wanted to fly so I summoned you here, now Iâm flyingâ - LOL OKAY THEN JOHN
Ooh damn, that outfit Marisa is wearing is FINE. Iâm slightly gayer than I was before, ngl
I was like ânooo Mary donât be nice to these kids, theyâre awfulâ
But itâs very sweet that she offers them food?? Like she pulls a chocolate bar out and is like âitâs no good for you, itâs full of sugarâ... I love her
The way that Mary was so happy and excited when they mentioned Lyra, only to tell the girls off for trying to kill her - more of a mum than Mrs Coulter tbh
âMiss, can I have a hug?â - AWWW OMG WHY AM I SAD
They asked Mary to stay and look after them omg đđđ
âCome with me, Iâll bring you to your adultsâ - ooh okay this could go any number of ways... Either she actually reunites them with their families and allâs well, or she takes them up there and their parents/adults are all dead (for lack of a better word)? Or the Spectres attack after Mary leaves them with the adults??
Jopari talking about meeting his dĂŚmon and also a little bit about trying to get back to his family :(
âCan you magic us up a fire?â âOne momentâ *presents a box of matchesâ - LMFAO
Wait did Serafina seriously just imply that she thought Will might hurt Lyra?!?
Serafina saying that if protecting Lyra means protecting Will as well... Yes, protect Will please! Protect BOTH of these children, I literally BEG you, theyâve gone through far too much
Ooh okay so the witch ritual/spell was kind of cool to see!
Lyra saying âplease tell me heâll be alrightâ đâĽď¸
The fact that Lyra curled up close to Will and then Pan (in ermine form) curled up CLOSER to Will is so cute, they both love Will so much
Pan: âWe feel safe her... donât we?â / OOF OKAY THIS IS F I N E
I already know what Lyraâs âother nameâ is because I read the book but the hints are anything BUT subtle tbh. âMother of us all, cause of all sin, tempted by the serpentâ... Iâm not even that religious but I think itâs pretty obvious.
Also, if Mary is playing the part of the âserpentâ within Lyraâs destiny, does that mean that Mary has tempted Lyra? Or that she will?
Boreal being nervous about being in the city and Marisa is just so unimpressed by him... Mood
That smirk she had when going up to that Spectre victim was so chilling, we have to stan Ruth Wilson and her incredible acting
Also, fun fact, Ruth Wilson went to my sixth form college and is from Surrey (like me), and she grew up in Shepperton, which is where my Nan used to live when she was alive (my uncle and aunt live there still), so thatâs super exciting!
âWe could learn from thisâ - PLEASE DO NOT MAâAM
God I hate the Magisterium so fucking much, the patriarchy is so strong with them
Oh great, now theyâre gunning to kill Lyra :/
Also, off topic, Iâve only just connected that Will Keen, who plays Father MacPhail, is Dafne Keenâs dad?!?
âSheâs lost a lot for one so youngâ - AND SHEâS STILL GOING TO LOSE PEOPLE, WHY IS THIS FAIR PHILIP PULLMAN đ
âShe must be protectedâ - AGAIN, they BOTH need protecting PLEASE
The Spectre noises reminded me of the noises of the Smoke Monster from LOST, so thatâs definitely trippy for me
Thanks, I hate it
I nearly shouted âWHAT THE FUCK IS SHE DOINGâ out loud in front of both my parents, I seriously thought she had a damn death wish
I have never been so damn tense in my entire life as I am watching this show - and I KNOW what happens
HOW DID SHE DO THAT WITH THE SPECTRES SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN
Leeâs so worried about Lyra - 11/10, Father of the Year
The Magisterium airships... NO. FUCK. WEâRE AT THAT POINT ALREADY AND IM NOT OKAY BECAUSE I KNOW HOW AND WHERE THIS ENDS AND I HATE IT
I deadass thought Marisa and Carlo were about to kiss when he ran up to her and I actually said out loud âNO please donâtâ
Look I must just be so dirty minded but when she said âletâs celebrateâ, my immediate reaction was âNO NO NO NO EW EW EW NOâ and âI hope she just means having a drink and not doing the frickety-frackâ
I was so close to tearing up as Will was talking about his mum, her illness, and the boys who were mean to her because of it. His love for his mum is so beautifully written and the way Amir Wilson is playing Will is so wonderful
I was also close to tears when he was talking about his dad and how he used to imagine about his dad, so maybe Iâm just emotional anyway
âCould go to school... have friendsâ - okay yeah no Iâm definitely crying đ
âI couldnât trust anyone.â âUntil you met me.â âYeah.â - EXCUSE ME âĽď¸đ my HEART
I love one (1) soft boy, and one (1) feral girl and her dĂŚmon
The relief I felt when I saw Marisa and Carlo were literally just having drinks đ
âThey consume what makes us human, so I just suppressed that and hid itâ + *cut to the monkey looking kinda sad/uncomfortable* - Umm fUCK OKAY THEN
Why am I feeling sorry for the monkey?!?
âYou think weâre equal?â - LMFAO RIGHT
EWW THEY KISSED. No, just... nO
When I saw his snake dĂŚmon moving towards her monkey, I thought one of two things was about to happen: 1) the monkey was going to pet and paw and the snake as Marisa seduced Boreal, or 3) the monkey was going to strange the snake and kill Boreal
OKAY THIS TOOK A SHARP BUT NOT UNWELCOMED TURN
âYouâve NEVER been my equal.â âYouâd only hold me back.â - OH MY GOD YES THE SHADE
Sheâs not wrong though letâs be honest here
So she poisoned him Iâm assuming? She poisoned his drink because the monkey didnât actually touch the snake... damn.
Her just sitting there and continuing to drink with his dead body there is... damn.
âInto that valleyâ NO NO, please no
Jopari really just summoned a whole damn storm huh
Also the fact he fully trusts in Leeâs abilities to land them safely :3
Lee: âCan we trust him?â // Hester: âDo we have another choice?!!â - LMFAO I love them so much
THE WAY I NEARLY SCREAMED WHEN THAT WITCH GOT ATTACKED BY A SPECTRE OMFG AT LEAST WILL WAS THERE TO SAVE HER
Okay but did Marisa REALLY sit there for HOURS with Borealâs corpse sitting opposite her?!?
Her burning her hand on the flame in front of the monkey, and the monkey clearly whimpering and in pain was so agonizing to watch, I canât take this show
Also, you have to wonder just how many times sheâs harmed herself (and him) for her to keep doing it with next to no problems (like separating from each other all the time)
I was so excited to see the birds attacking the zeppelins, like it was one of my favourite details in the book, and I worried that they wouldnât have the budget for it but yay!
I do kind of wish that weâd had Sayan KĂśtor as the âeagle Queenâ leading them though - she probably was but I wish weâd actually seen it or heard Jopari say it or whatever
THEY SHOT THE GAS CANNISTER OH SHIT THEYâRE GOING DOWN HARD AND FAST IN THAT BALLOON
HOLD ON BBC YOU CANNOT END THIS THERE?!? EXCUSE ME?!
The last episode is next week and on an hour earlier, so thatâs exciting! I have no idea what Iâll do once this series ends, or when weâll even get the third and final series because of COVID and filming delays, but Iâm excited for it nonetheless and hoping itâs next November/December or something!
#his dark materials#hdm#lyra belacqua#lyra silvertongue#marisa coulter#mrs coulter#will parry#serafina pekkala#ruth wilson#dafne keen#amir wilson#pantalaimon#john parry#lee scoresby#hester
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alright here i am with my love victor opinions no-one asked for
- i was gonna originally do episode by episode commentaries but i'd seen a few spoilers and was scared i'd say something good about a bad character or something so didn't end up doing it asfgcjhvfkhj
- rahim is great but making him a love interest for victor was NOT it. a love triangle was not needed at all and it would've been really nice to have two gay guys be platonic friends with nothing more. also why did victor need a date to the wedding when felix and lake were broken up anyway??
- to extend from that, i don't hate benji as much as i expected to from people's posts and i think it's mostly bc both he and victor are?? flawed people?? who i actually think should end up together but they either need to work on communication OR take a break and work on themselves without bringing in other love interests into the equation
- furthermore, victor obviously wants to be with benji but i think the best thing for him rn would be to be single while he and his family go through the process of his coming out and their acceptance. he doesn't need to handle a relationship rn but he could do with a friend who understands what he's going through, aka rahim
- benji also clearly is too accustomed to being accepted and they touched on that a little especially in that he has white liberal parents but it wasn't talked about enough. they didn't really have him acknowledge the difference himself but also they didn't acknowledge that he has simply been out longer, and that not everyone wants to re-closet themselves. hence why maybe it's not the right time for either of them to date rn
- i found myself relating to a LOT to what victor was going through, not in terms of culture/ethnicity or religion specifically but the dealing with a homophobic mother and a partner who isn't experiencing it the same way, and just with a variety of things he dealt with throughout this season. however, and i found this in the first season, i just don't connect with his acting the way i do with every other character. idk why
- i really wanted felix x pilar to happen in season 1 and even at the start of s2 but after watching this season i wish it didn't honestly. i get why felix can't be with lake rn of course, and i also like that it emphasises how much of a risk she took in the decision she made. however, they reduced pilar's AWESOME character to be literally just a girl with a crush in this season and while there's nothing wrong with that, i found it really disappointing and also kinda doesn't work with the storyline. had felix been with pilar instead what would she have done?? and would she really have been there the way lake was, or at least different to lake? i don't know. i feel like it would have made more sense for felix and lake to break up properly in the finale and for felix x pilar to happen more as a slowburn in season 3. that being said they clearly just put them together to please fans and i'm worried they'll continue doing this
anyway i'm excited for bi lake with andrew's ex (lucy?)!! i wish we had more scenes of them pre-finale but i can't wait for more!!!!!!
- speaking of, i like how they made andrew this season with everything and i'm glad to see him and mia finally together. but i hope he doesn't just become ~the boyfriend~ with no other character to him. i also am so angry at mia's dad for taking that job and feel so bad for mia bc she's been through a LOT this season like damn:/ that being said i feel like everything about mia is what she's dealing with and not so much who she is?? so would be nice to see more of her as herself in season 3
- they don't show victor playing basketball enough. but i REALLY like how they talked about stereotypical 'gay' hobbies and how sports isn't one of them, and sort of touched on what MAKES a gay person, really. i just wish it wasn't "you're the best player on the team, of course they'll accept you" in every show that does this bc like?? why do you have to be the best player on the team to be accepted lmao
- i loved the PFLAG thing and it was great to see ormando being a supportive father!!! so refreshing and great to see and also to contrast the differences in how parents react. it was also great to see simon's dad running it and being super involved long after his son had moved out
- i did hope bram would at least be in the background of the simon scene but i guess we can't have everything
- the mum walking in on victor x benji fucking THE WAY I LITERALLY SCREAMED and then i couldnt even watch the next episode bc i had to go to work LMAO like THE CLIFFHANGER. benji was 100000% in the wrong there, it is NOT homophobic for a parent to be traumatised walking in on their child having sex lol and especially when adrian was home??? it could've been him that walked in sooo
- did my memory fail or was adrian kinda 'feminine' last season ??like he liked frozen and stuff and the grandparents made a comment about it?? what happened to that he literally wasn't anything like that this season it was kinda sad
- also why on earth were victor and benji kissing at work sorry but no matter what sexuality you are and how comfortable you are with PDA that is just?? weird?? like sorry but as a customer i would feel so uncomfortable like am i intruding lmao. a kiss hello and goodbye when you're starting and finishing is fine and cute but in between serving customers and making coffees and shit is so unnecessary lol
- where was victor and felix's friendship this season?? like he stayed in his house after a traumatic life event and they didn't talk about it?? they only talked when they were going through love triangles like thats it??
i saved this as a draft the other day and forgot what else i was gonna add so i'll end here lol!!
#the way no-one is gonna read this but i felt like i couldn't post it in multiple posts lmao#love victor#love victor season 2#love victor spoilers
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So here's my personal ranking of DMBJ adaptations, thanks @mejomonster for the idea :D
(but psst first if anyone seeing this post haven't seen it already, there's an interest check for a pingxie gift exchange! over here.)
1. Ultimate Note (2020)
So I wrote a long ass post about UN here, where I mainly talk about the Iron Triangle because they're the heart of DMBJ and their relationship is what makes or breaks an adaptation for me, all else equal. But thankfully UN also has good pacing, faithfulness to the original story (and honestly a smoother and less confusing way of portraying it, but thats not saying much), no exceptionally cringy added romance plot lines, female characters treated as well as they can be given they were fridged in the source material, and a cast and crew with a deep appreciation and love for the characters and story, making the most of what they could with a tiny budget and no promotion. (UN is now the most highly-rated DMBJ adaptation on douban!) The main cast is a bit green, no doubt, but the longer it goes on the better they get. (If you scroll through my #translation tag far enough you'll find stuff XYL and ZSX have said about their characters. XYL especially, really understands Zhang Qiling and I will always respect him for that, which is why he's my favorite Xiaoge.) I'm just eternally sad about the ending and that there probably won't be a S2 for the main story finale because NPSS won't sell the rights again.
2. The Lost Tomb 2 (2019)
Before UN came out, this was my favorite Iron Triangle. The Pangzi and Xiaoge friendship was also super cute here! A sorely underrated friendship, for sure. And I absolutely adore TLT2 Xiao Hua. He and UN Xiuxiu would make a great team. The entirety of the first half (undersea tomb) was remarkably true to the source material (despite being unnecessarily draggy at points), and I do like that they made the Bronze Tree arc more of an Iron Triangle thing than a Wu Xie solo mission like in the novel. But uh, the second half of this drama was just...really confusing lol with so many long shots of them trudging through snow endlessly. But it's a cute Pingxie and Iron Triangle. (Saw someone once say TLT2 is the fluffy Pingxie but UN is the angsty Pingxie, which......accurate tbh.) But...man...will TLT2.5 (Heavenly Palace) ever be released from jail ;;;;;; its supposedly already filmed (different cast) but can't air for...legal reasons? idk? ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
3. Time Raiders (2016)
A wacky movie that makes no logical sense whatsoever but God it was such a fun, wild watch lmao. Pingxie were so unnecessarily gay in this, and also TLT2 Pangzi is great as always. I liked A-Ning being a total badass as well. Movie gets a bit sad when you realize there's a deleted scene canonizing the movie as book!Wu Xie's wishful thinking and fanciful story he told because he misses his friends. In reality, Pan Zi and A-Ning are dead, his San-shu is missing, and he doesn't know if he'll see Xiaoge again (which is why TR!WX is always taking photos of him, I'd say).
4. Qinling Sacred Tree Donghua (2021)
So uh this still doesn't have official English subs (you can find it on a streaming site somewhere but I can't vouch for translation quality). But it's a pretty faithful adaptation of the Bronze Tree arc, but with a slight twist to make Xiaoge more relevant. (I'm still squinting at Liang-shiye.) Still largely a Wu Xie and Lao Yang duo mission, though. But the scenery in the donghua is gorgeous and the food looks really good too...and, like, it's a good and solid adaptation. I just wish it had been an Iron Triangle adventure đ
5. Sha Hai (2018)
Qin Hao is an amazing Sha Hai Wu Xie. I love him, and the fact that ZSX posted a photo with him ;;;;;;;; my favorite Wu Xies ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; (fun fact: to this day, QH's Weibo pfp is of himself as Wu Xie!) But anyway. Yeah I mostly just love Wu Xie here and everything he's gone through and turned himself into now that Xiaoge is gone. There are several UN parallels because they were done by the same company (which is also why a lot of the actors are the same). Unfortunately, the whole plot was....??????? and I wasn't a fan of any of the romances, or any of the side characters in general đ
Skipped...so much of it lol. Why did they do *gestures vaguely at the entire show* Man at least they had Three Days of Silence. Small mercies.
6. The Lost Tomb 1 (2015)
They did Pangzi so dirty, I'm sorry sweetheart. That aside, the OCs were also a big ?????? and the fact that they had the iconic Iron Triangle hotel fight so early...WITHOUT THE FULL IRON TRIANGLE????????? But TLT1 Pingxie were literally a case of love at first sight soulmates so that was sweet. Also the blood feeding. Nice đ This Xiaoge is probably what most of the tomb-robbing world (or very casual dmbj fans ig lmao) see when they think of Zhang Qiling: aloof, mysterious, terrifyingly strong, (and kinda 2000s emo-boy-looking for some reason???)
7. The Lost Tomb Reboot (2020)
Confusingly wild deviations from the original story, really cringy romances + fridged women, and unnecessarily dragged out plot aside, I just wasn't feeling the Iron Triangle in this one đ
Nor was I a fan of the treatment of Xiaoge. (He was stolen from his mother as a baby and abused by the Zhang family ever since, used as a convenient bloodbag to get around tombs and he didn't even understand he was a human being with a heart who could want things until he met his mother again in Three Days of Silence, where he finally regained the "heart" given to him by his mother that the Zhang family had taken from him...and then the first thing he experienced was the loss of his mother. I think this was the only canonical instance of him crying. After that, he lived a life full of mostly loss and more trauma, being kidnapped, kept naked in a basket, and used as zombie bait when he lost his memories...and knowing all this about his past, Pangzi tells him to use his blood in a tomb, enthusiastically, without hesitation. Like...you don't tell your best friend to cut himself because you think his blood might be useful. Especially not your best friend who you know in his past has been abused just like that since birth by his blood-related "family".) I do, however, think all the actors did amazing jobs with what they were given and are very talented. The effects were also good and the music is fantastic too. I don't think I need to praise Z1L's acting because everyone knows how good he is, and he pulled off that hallucination scene where he saw Xiaoge die for him just beautifully đ And Xiaoge smiles! Also very cute.
So yeah that's all the adaptations I've seen! It's past 1:30am so I'm a bit rambly but đ¤Şđ¤Şđ¤Ş
#shouting into the void#dmbj#give me a chance to talk abt dmbj and it WILL end with me being sad about xiaoge#i write fic for the sole purpose of being sad abt xiaoge#which is why all my current whopping total of two (2) dmbj fics are me being sad about xiaoge#long post
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#JUSTINDESERVEDBETTER talk & 13 Reasons Why S4E10 thoughts
So ... Iâve already watched the series finale, did it right after episode 9 but it was hard for me to watch and write my thoughts simultaneously because I was ugly crying the whole freakin time. Thus, Iâm posting this now. Havenât cried this much in a LONG while. My heart is fucking broken. Iâm gonna start by talking about my favorite character whom the show did SO. FUCKING. DIRTY. JUSTIN FOLEY DESERVED BETTER. (obviously, OBVIOUSLY, it was gonna be MY favorite character who gets screwed over and dies a horrible death, just my luck, why did I expect a happy ending, I donât even know).
Justin was the most tragic figure of the show. Raised by a junkie mother who never gave a damn about him, sexually molested as a little kid by one of her many drug addict & violent boyfriends, he often went to school dirty and hungry because of the neglect. He never had a positive influence in his life. He only managed to do better with Bryceâs help (Bryce was a bastard but he did care about Justin in his own way, thatâs for sure).Â
After the events of S1 with Hannahâs suicide and the tapes and everything that happened with Jessica and Bryce, he left his abusive home and lived in the streets where he barely ever found food and what money he got from charity or the men who paid (and hurt him) to use his body, he gave to drugs.Â
In S2, Clay and Toni, found him and saved his life, helped him get back on his feet and he tried his best to set things straight with everyone. He even saved Clayâs life who came so close to killing Bryce and even worse himself. He didnât hesistate to face the legal consequences if it meant helping the girl he loved. And Clay eventually became his brother as his parents decided to adopt him.Â
In S3, he started going to school and doing well, got a job, tried to start his life over, this time in a safe environment with a real family and friends who supported him. He was doing exceptionally well, he looked much happier, he finally felt what itâs like to be loved by a mother and father and a brother and he got some sense of normalcy in his life. He was there for Clay when things got bad, believed in him and he had his back ALWAYS. (still emo about their scenes together where they told each other âI love youâ & âIâd do ANYTHING for youâ), Plus, he was one of Tylerâs biggest supporters stating Tyler deserved a second chance to be better.
Come S4 ... heâs fresh out of rehab, looking better than ever. His friends welcome him when he gets back but everything is different. EVERYTHING. And everyone has changed. THE ENTIRE SEASON, NOBODY, NOT A SINGLE PERSON gave a fuck about him except for the coach and to a point his adoptive parents. He had done so much progress, he wanted to make his new family proud so bad, he was clean, he was doing great at school, he even got accepted into college!!! And what did he get in return???? NOT ONE OF HIS FRIENDS HUNG OUT WITH HIM ONCE, NOT EVEN ONCE. Every time he tried to approach someone or help THEM deal with their problems, he was turned away and even insulted. They would tell him he shouldnât be giving advice and that he would never change who he used to be. He confessed to the coach that he felt like nobody believed in him and frankly?? NOBODY SHOWED THEY DID!!!!!!!! Jessica brushed him off all the time because she was MAD he broke up with her so he could FOCUS ON HIS HEALTH!!!!!!!!!! WHAT??????!!!!!!!!! She kept parading everywhere with Diego when she knew this was hurting him deeply. Clay was so fucking MEAN to him and I didnât understand WHY after their great bonding their previous two seasons. Sure, he had his own problems, but there was NO reason for this, absolutely none. He was jealous of the moments Justin shared with his parents and how he was doing well at school and sports and got accepted in college. He even told in his FACE that Matt and Lainie are his parents ALONE, not Justinâs when he knew Justinâs biggest need was to feel the love and warmth of a family. Justin wanted to go to a free college so that Clay could have the money go to the BEST one and so the Jensens didnât have to spend any on him. And Iâm 100% sure he never told them how sick he was until it was too late because he didnât want to be a burden so he decided to die quietly and slowly without upsetting them. Clay had the NERVE to pin the positive drug test on Justin when Justin was fucking CLEAN and then went on to smoke POT at that party. It broke my heart in 1000000 pieces when Justin asked him why he hated him so much. Zack wasnât better either, basically telling Justin that heâd be a junkie his entire life and he could never change. The others mostly didnât give a flying fuck, focused on nobody else but themselves and stayed far away from him the entire season. His mom died of OD and he didnât tell anyone but the Jensens and Jess and he had to deal with everything all on his own again. He only had the coach to listen and there was a limit to what help he could give. So, he finally broke. He stopped caring since nobody was giving him a chance, he started using again, he lost his job, he didnât care about anything. Jess and Clay knew he was using again and did NOTHING to help except tell him âHey, I thought you quit! I thought you were getting better!â. Wow, BIG HELP, ASSHOLES. They all left him alone on prom night, and Clay SAW how sick he looked but he preferred to go to prom rather than stay with his brother who needed him.
Justin, with what little strength he had left, got dressed and went to the prom towards its end, he looked so beautiful in his suit, like Prince Charming. He lived one last carefree moment with the girl he loved and then he collapsed. And THATâS when everyone said âOH, NO! Letâs go see our sick friend!â. Well done, now he IS DYING, YOU IGNORANT IDIOTS. Now that heâs at deathâs door, you want to be there for him but WHERE WERE YOU WHEN HE WAS SO DESPERATELY TRYING TO LIVE?????????? Yes, it was proven that he had HIV, probably from the time he lived on the streets and without the proper care it went on to become fully AIDS and he had numerous other issues with his health as a result of that and the drugs to the point that he could no longer breathe on his own. BUT. Had he shared his problems and told the Jensens how sick he was feeling for so long, his death could have been prevented. I know someone in real life who got HIV in his 30s and heâs now in his 60s and his life is perfectly fine. He has friends, he has family (didnât get married), he travels, he does what he wants. Justin could have been saved if someone had NOTICED. Like HANNAH could have been saved if someone, ANYONE was paying attention. Needless to say, I fucking died during his scenes in the hospital, it was so hard to watch him waste away in that hospital bed. When they took the tube out so he could say his goodbyes to Clay, Jess and his adoptive parents ... I LEGIT havenât cried so hard in SO long ... I still have a headache from all the crying. My poor CHILD, he was scared but he told them all how much he loved them and eventually died in his sleep, holding his brotherâs, Clayâs hand. The episode was meaningless after that for me. I only watched to see how everyoneâs stories would end, even though I didnât care and knew that theyâd get their happy (mostly) endings. The one character who TRULY deserved the best and happiest ending, got royally fucked and buried six feet under while everyone went about their lives like nothing had happened.
I really donât have much to comment on the rest of the story. Clay did one final extreme act by walking in the police department, saying he had a gun. Not convinved he didnât really want to die too after Justin but perhaps his psychologist was right and he was just trying to make people notice he was hurting. Iâm happy for Toni for doing whatâs best for him and deciding to accept the scholarship and go to college, same goes for Tyler, he deserved to be happy and Iâm glad he ended up with Estella. Relieved that Jess and Diego tested negative for HIV but disappointed they were ready to get back together so soon after Justin. Winston decided to not use what he found out about Bryceâs death against Alex and the others and that made me respect him a little bit. (Winston and Ryan btw? hehe, I kinda saw it coming ever since I saw Ryan and Courtney at the graduation-did anyone also notice Bryce and Monty in the crowd too??lol). Liked the graduation and Hannahâs little cameo (although it was archived footage) but it left me with a sour taste because Justin wasnât there among the rest, only as a ghost in Clayâs mind. Also that Heidi girl talking to Clay, uh, SO cheesy and unnecessary. Clay reading Justinâs college essay with Justinâs ghost in their bedroom and seeing how it was all about him and Justin calling him his brother ... IT DESTROYED ME. UTTERLY AND COMLETELY. WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO ME. WHY WOULD YOU KILL THE MOST BEAUTIFUL CHARACTER OF THE SHOW. THE MOST COMPLEX AND DAMAGED ONE. WHY COULDNâT HE HAVE A HAPPY ENDING LIKE THE REST OF THEM. ITâS FUCKING UNFAIR.
Iâm glad the final scene was just Clay and Toni driving away, always enjoyed their friendship. Having no word exchange between them was pretty powerful because you only needed to read their expessions to feel the emotions.
All in all, a powerful season who dealt with so many important issues, well directed and full of action but disappointing for me where it mattered the most ... Right now, I donât want to even touch another show for a long time, I need a break to recover from this, it was too much. I wish I didnât get so attached to certain characters, but I do and it hurts me deeply when shit like that happens to them. Anyway ... Goodbye, show ... it was (mostly) good while this journey lasted ... I sure hope I see all these HUGELY talented actors and actresses in other projects in the future, especially Brandon Flynn (Justin), Dylan Minnette (Clay), Katherine Langford (Hannah) & Justin Prentice (Bryce). I also hope Brandon & Dylan get ALL the awards for their performances in S4. THEY DESERVE EVERYTHING. Iâd love to hear other peopleâs thoughts on all this, it was such an intense experience.
#Justin Foley#13 Reasons Why Spoilers#13RW Spoilers#13 Reasons Why#Clay Jensen#Brandon Flynn#Dylan Minnette
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Ok, so I haven't been able to comment much on my Riverdale rewatch mostly bc i'm watching it with my boyfriend and we have an agreement of no cell phones when we're watching, otherwise we can't pay proper attention to it. But I wrote down some notes about the episodes I did watch (I watched up until ep 6, which is very ironic bc apparently today is its anniversary, so yay for my perfect timing). I actually remember most of the stuff that happened in s1, so here's mostly a few things I paid more attention to or noticed about the characters and the ships, or things i'm able to look at through a different view now that i've watched all the seasons. Strap in if you want to see my notes, if not just scroll please, no ship or character hate here please. Also, feel free to ignore, this is really just a personal look in some stuff I didn't notice in my first watch.
- Betty's character used to be much happier and lighter in season 1. I know we're introduced to "Dark Betty" right in episode 3, but still, I feel like the way Lili played Betty in season 1 did not hold the same "darkness" as it does in the following seasons. The scene where she is dancing happily in her bedroom because she's going to homecoming with the boy she likes? The scene where she introduces Jughead to the Blue & Gold and gets him to work with her? Her genuine innocent happiness at seeing her sister again after so much time? The way she interacted with Kevin and Veronica? Those were all chef's kiss because she actually feels like a teenager in them. In all her girly glory, she radiates youth energy and it's a thing that was sadly lacking after s1. Btw this is not a critique at Lili's acting at all, I blame it entirely on Ras and his obsession with dark Betty.
- There's actually so many indications of Cheryl being a lgbt character in the first episodes that I have no idea how I missed it the first time. But then again, there were many indications with Veronica as well, and sadly that's not the path Ras chose for her.
- Jughead in s1 is truly so superior in so many ways that it's not hard to see why he quickly became such a fan favorite. I think even if he wasn't played by Cole Sprouse, he still would have conquered many fans' hearts. Sadly, the things that made Jughead such a loving and interesting character for me also fizzled out in s2 when the writing team decided to make him a woke serpent leader instead of allowing him to sticking to his true personality as a passionate mystery lover, a dedicated friend and very nerdy, which was very cute. I feel that we got some of that back for him in s4, which was good, but sadly s1 is where my love for him really stayed to stay. But I still care for him, and s5 has a promising storyline for him which i'm excited about, so let's see if s5 Jughead can become better than s1 Jughead.
- Going back again to Cheryl for a sec, I just noticed that the red lipstick actually wasn't that common for her in s1? At least not in the first five. I wonder when did it start becoming her trademark? Anyways, it's actually a really good look her and allows you to appreciate Madelaine's natural beauty even more.
- Also, did anybody notice how Alice lowkey figured out who killed Jason in ep 2 lmao, like... in episode two she legit says she wouldn't be surprised if the Blossoms themselves had killed Jason, which... is what happened LMAO, considering we know it was his father. And even more hilarious and tragically ironic note, in ep 6 she's laughing at Betty suggesting that Hal killed Jason because "do you think your father has the stomach for it?!"... Ma'am... i'm-.... đđđđ.
- This rewatch has reminded me of how much I adored and how I much I miss Josie and the Pussycats. The girls were such a nice addition to the cast, and their songs were so beautiful. I truly wish we get to see them again someday, but at the same time I also think the actresses deserve to be at a work place where they're given the treatment they deserve and not completely ignored and treated like extras.
- Archie/Valerie was super cute and is very underrated in the fandom, but i'm glad Valerie stood up for herself and didn't take any of Archie's or Cheryl's sh*t. Still sucks because they were really good together, though.
- Why was Jason not allowed to talk, lmao? Like, i'm sure it's become a running joke in the show at this point, but back when season one was airing what was the excuse for it? He appeared in so many flashbacks and scenes and we still never heard a single word â ď¸â ď¸â ď¸â ď¸. I just want to know what was the reason lol.
- I liked s1 Reggie, but I feel like Charles Melton's Reggie is better because he actually feels like a douche with good intentions lol, and he has more of a personality. Most of the time I even forgot about Reggie in s1, but after s2 he definitely made me more aware of him. So for that, I like Charles Melton's Reggie more. But the actor from s1 still did a good job with what he was given.
From now on I will be talking about the ships, so bear with me, and know that I am a multishipper. Yes, I have my preferences. No, my word is not law, it's just an opinion, so please respect it.
- Bughead is still super cute in s1. I feel like from s1 they will always be my otp, even if I no longer feel as strongly about them now and have a different insight as to where I would like their story to go, and now I definitely see the problem others had mentioned before of how they kind of took over the show, which is something I kind of closed my eyes to before... But I really loved them in s1. It felt like a very juvenile teenage relationship, they didn't give much thought on why and if they should be together, they just went for it like teenagers usually do, and they were very very cute together.
- I feel like if you don't count Beronica (because they really were the best no matter what you say or ship), if there's a ship that deserves "best chemistry" award for s1 is probably Varchie. I lost my interest in them years ago, but this rewatch reminded me of why I actually loved them once. They never really became an otp for me, but Kj and Camila's chemistry in s1 was VERY GOOD, and I really liked them. Their kiss in the pilot was electric and the s&xual tension was OOF, and that chemistry carries on through the season. You can easily tell something will happen between them eventually. It makes me sad bc I don't know what happened after s1, but their chemistry from s2 onwards was just... not there for me. Which is ironic bc it's the season they truly started dating and they got a lot of smexy scenes, but I just... didn't feel it. But I'll leave that comment to my s2 rewatch. For now just let me enjoy Varchie's chemistry in s1 while it lasts because it was really good.
- Now we get to Barchie, who I made clear was the reason for my rewatch, so let's get to it. I LOVED the way Barchie was written in s1. I remember when I first watched Riverdale, I was curious about their dynamic but didn't put much thought into it because I loved Bughead too much and wanted them to be together, and I thought Barchie would be the traditional "first og ship" thing and wouldn't have a big follow up, but boy was I WRONG and am I GLAD for it. I'll talk more about their development in the next seasons when I get there, so for now let's focus a bit on s1. Just in like the first two episodes, there is so much Barchie foreshadowing, like, it's legit insane how it was right there in my face and I missed it the first time! "I have never felt what i'm supposed to feel with betty", "it's not my fault he doesn't like you", "I can't give you the answer you want"... Omg, those are obvious eyebrow raising "this will come back to bite you in the a$$" moments and it's incredible how they actually DO! I would call it clever writing, but like... it's Riverdale lol. So I really am just glad that the ship was done this way, i'm glad Barchie has the back story that they do, they've really come a LONG way and i'm happy I get to experience their whole growing storyline. It's also especially good because s1 actually provides you with scenes that show you their friendship and how they're so close, you see them hanging out, talking, their pictures together, everything was just really done well with them. Still have a bit of critique with the way Archie contradicted himself sometimes regardinf his feelings for Betty, but let's be honest, we've watched enough Riverdale to know that's just a problem with the writing.
- Kevin/Joaquin is still my favorite Kevin ship, i'm sad it's completely impossible to go back to them someday so for now i'll just be really glad it existed and that I got to see them even if it was short-lived. They had great chemistry and their kiss scenes always outsold.
- Beronica... sigh. Beronica. The most wasted chemistry i've ever seen on CW and I've watched a LOT of CW shows. There was so much potential there, s1 was practically overflowing with them and it's one of the reasons it became some popular. I remember when the Beronica fandom was the biggest one, ah, good times. Veronica and Betty were easily the best part of season 1, their friendship, their lowkey romantic moments, they were just superior in every way. This ship deserved better, not even just as a ship, but as a friendship.
- Veronica's s1 hair >>> Veronica's hair in seasons 2-4. I loved the side part and I am glad it's back in season 5, it looks so much better like that.
- Cheryl, as always, deserves better. Can't wait for her to meet Toni so I can watch again Cheryl finally get to love someone and be loved back, which is exactly what she deserves.
For now, that is all! I will probably make another post soon when i'm done with season one and from season two on I will be live-blogging the episodes since I will be watching it alone. Once again, pls, no hate, my thoughts are my thoughts. Peace.
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i will never be over the way this show has continuously tried to frame bellamy and clarke as heroes and good people, or the way the fandom has almost completely embraced and supported that narrative
the amount of times iâve read â[clarke] saved everyoneâs ungrateful assesâ makes me seriously consider turning evil. like arenât yâall bored? donât you have a different sentence you would like to say for a change?
i want to talk about this but i probably donât remember a lot of the details of this show so if im forgetting something or get something wrong i apologise, but i never have any desire to rewatch past s2.
clarke isn't even the hero of her own side, she took power of them using the military force of the grounders, someone elseâs people, sheâs forced them into alliances without their knowledge that werenât in their best interest (while she literally had no idea what they were even going through because sheâd abandoned them after upsetting their entire political structure, and this leader sheâs bowing to is responsible for the slaughter of their children, has broken an alliance previously with them, has hung the threat of genocide over their heads, and who isnât even wanted in power by her own people- dragging skaikru into that conflict, too), sheâs sacrificed them and whatâs best for them in order to cater to/concentrate on the grounders newest demands or pursue her own personal mission, sheâs lied to and patronised them, sheâs abandoned them and surrendered them to die while they were under her protection and responsibility, and in Book 2 (and these arenât her people but in canon sheâs their leader anyway apparently despite trying to blow them all up a few days before...) sheâs abandoned them again, and is speaking for them without consent or any connection to whatâs happening with them again,.........her inner circle/her âfriendsâ have to be extremely careful to remain important to her or on her team or theyâll be sacrificed, harmed or become acceptable losses to whatever her newest goal is too (but hey at least she says she cares about them) all while acting very âwoe is meâ about the whole crushing weight of responsibility she shouldnât have.
but sheâs the hero, sheâs beloved, sheâs special, she has relationships that were never built, she and only she saved everyone again and has all the lines telling us so no matter how dishonest those statements are.
like this is where i personally see what you said in your ask most: when it concerns clarke.
bellamy on the other hand...i donât place him at all on the same level as clarke when it comes to this. clarke has privilege that bellamy just never had as a character. and i think that does probably play into why i like him.
him being a hero to the delinquents/the 48 is completely believable to me. he was the original leader, he got them through a tough time, he chose to put himself on the line for them, and heâs the one who stayed. i also think itâs reasonable that fandom might romanticise him this way because he is one who has been shown to value the one life as well as the many of his people, a guy doing his best and making big mistakes along the way, a mixed complex bag of good and bad, i find him very likable and i love the toxic/pained/vulnerable ones lol but more than anything i find him to be one of the more interesting/entertaining characters on the show (Book 1).
we also see him torment himself with his own mistakes instead of just having other people do it for him/remind him like we see happen with clarke- and we all know fandom loves equating that with a âredemption arcâ and as much as i personally dislike seeing pity parties i do like self-awareness and responsibility in characters that goes beyond a 3-second-long puppy dog look or straight dismissal of someone elseâs pain, and for the most part bellamyâs expressions of this donât come across as demanding sympathy from others but from genuine self-loathing and an honesty to himself, internalising the effects of his actions/childhood.
i know i personally prefer The Flawed Protector over The Tortured Saviour nobody asked for (same white male hypocritical moral hero in a womanâs body).
i donât believe in assigning âheroâ to any of them though like thatâs the whole entire point of the show lol âthere are no good guys.â and i also think a major chunk of fandom/shippers have warped bellamyâs character so much that it isnât even him anymore, so this man theyâre celebrating as a hero/good person isnât even bellamy sometimes.
all of the genuinely âgoodâ and kind people are dead.
i don't think i'd say bellamy was ever framed as a hero. like he was just never important enough to be, heâs just not put into those positions (despite being the male lead), clarke is. as the protagonist ig. bellamy...heâs the protector/knight of the heroes, but not the actual hero himself (applies to octavia too i think, where she acts and he reacts).
like take mount weather, clarke becomes empowered by her âwanhedaâ status, bellamyâs (and montyâs) part in that is lost...clarke is âbearing it so they donât have toâ (rme) which simultaneously strips the other boys from claiming the âvictoryâ of saving the 48 while still leaving them with the guilt, like it suits how i see clarke perfectly that sheâs the only one to refer to the genocide (and shutting down the CoL, i realised) as âiâ while monty and bellamy say âweâ and it was clarkeâs actions that got them to that point in the first place, but this is one of those times sheâs clearly The Protagonist. if that makes sense lol.
bellamy is on the opposite side to clarke in s3 and s7 and he needs to be moved to her side in order to be on the ârightâ one. now i donât agree with that one bit mind you (when it comes to s3, idc about s7 lol) and i didnt see it that way but imo thatâs how the show wrote it, to the point he was either demonized endlessly by fandom or woobified in a way that denied him his own agency. during s5 i donât i think anyone was framed in a good light. i can see this applying in s6, though- where he was his absolute worst self yet, betraying his own development, failing at every point to âdo betterâ despite claiming it, but still was given that reasurring line that they did better and saved people and was in that âheroicâ position i guess? but is that because he was back to being clarkeâs âgood little knightâ tho? (but do we claim s6??? do we really??? do we claim it ladies???)
s6 was 100% dedicated to making clarke look good/like a 'good' or sympathetic person. the bodysnatching plot (and the s6 sheidheda plot because if it was supposed to be about bellamy and address his s5 actions he wouldâve been present to experience/observe those consiquences himself but he wasnât lmaoooo. instead it was to tell the audience âactually clarke was right last season and hereâs another reason to feel bad for her and how those ungrateful bitches were treating herâ) has no other purpose for existing. clarke's character has consistently been elevated at the expense of everyone else's. but im not sure the writing did a very good job convincing me she was a good person if it was trying to do that LMAO like my interpretation of her is so fitted to canon, and no amount of throwaway lines telling me how good she is did anything to change what i saw yk? and in s6, combined with being patronised by the writers, i found her to be at some of her most obnoxious.
i donât agree with placing bellamy and clarke in the same boat tbh. like they just come from completely different places and come across differently, especially in the way they interact with other characters.
in my experience this fandom (on tumblr) is extremely skewed in favour of clarke, like ive never seen a fandom so obsessed with their protagonist. thereâs A LOT of clarke stans who stan her for being one of those âdeserves better :(â characters, selfless and heroic, and support that view that sheâs the superior character, entitled to other characterâs devotion, love and validation yet doesnât have to reciprocate any of it. the CL/BC ship war was just a bunch of people fighting over clarke, who deserves her more, which character is more toxic to her, which other character would 100% be her bff supportive of that relationship, treating her as a passive whose actions donât take affect. im not sure how much i blame the writing for that because if so many of us are capable of recieving her character in this way then...why arenât so many other people? how is there such a massive disconnect between the ways we see her?
and imo a lot of the bellamy love in this fandom comes from shipping him with clarke too rather than being because of who he actually is.
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What do you feel about Kieu My actress' acting skills. I cannot decide weather it's her or the direction and writing that didn't do their best to extract a good performance from her overall. I did like her when she showed sad emotions though, but for the ice-queen or infatuated-with-Fatou part she simply wasn't convincing for me.
Fatou's actress is actually so good, I have a certain amount of anger towards the makers of s6 for not doing justice to her. Introverts and chilled out people can have intense moments that are in line with their personality (Matteo comes to mind, but that's mostly down to Michi's incredible screen presence.) I really liked that she was already out and her sexuality wasn't even that much of a topic, but overall the pacing and the pov were not very strong. The aspects where she felt dumb and was hard on herself were tugging at my heartstrings, but I like that they didn't completely tear her down and left her with some agency, I just wish it was clear on screen and not just in my mind. The Ava and Mailin story could've been left to Ava's season or done in a way where it doesn't overshadow Fatou. Or maybe it never did actually, but it was so widely discussed in fandom that it distracted us from the nothingness of the Fatou pov. I don't know I love the new gen, but they done fucked up with s6....
Also, I hear that they cut a lot of scenes... It was probably because even they couldn't make any sense of their own pacing and add to that some poor acting and directing choices that rendered those scenes unwatchable.
Hi anon! đ Thereâs a lot going on in your ask (which I love, I appreciate you guys sharing your thoughts), so Iâm going to try and tackle each thing bit by bit.
1. Nhungiâs acting skills: Itâs hard for me to judge acting in a language Iâm not fluent in, unless I have another performance to compare it to (like for instance Axel Auriant and Philippine Stindel destroyed everything Tarjei Sandvik Moe and Lisa Teige did in s1) or itâs so bad that it transcends language, like so much of wtfock. Nhungi originated her role and I honestly think she did a fine job (but I find Sira to be superior personally). I felt like she nailed everything Kieu My was supposed to convey in every scene, and she added small, hard to notice tics like rubbing her fingers together, that were cool to catch on rewatch and realize there was more all along to her apparent ice queen persona. Itâs that kind of small acting choices that make it so gratifying to rewatch a good Skam season.
2. I think it would be interesting to rewatch Fatouâs season without all the sm (I havenât done that yet), because I didnât think the pov wasnât tight. Like, there was maybe one scene where I felt like Fatou was more of an observer than participant in the storyline, and that was the clip where Mailin apologizes to Ava (and Fatou). I think that clip couldâve worked a lot better if they made a stronger connection between Karin firing Fatou because she thought Fatou was a thief (rather than having dyscalculia) and Mailin becoming aware of that. I think that the pov maybe doesnât feel as tight because there were many other storylines taking place over sm that grabbed our attention, which is why I think I want to binge the season and see. I do think the pacing in Druck could definitely be improved (their Friday clips can flop super hard), but thatâs not exclusive to this season, I felt the same about some Friday clips in s5.Â
3. I didnât think the Ava/Mailin storyline overshadowed Fatouâs, but I do come from Skam EspaĂąa where every season had subplots having to do with the other girls. I remember that during Crisâ season, people were really mad because they felt like Nora and Alejandro were taking over the season in the way Noora and William did in Sanaâs season in Skam. I think that Nora and Alejandroâs storyline in s2 had little to nothing to do with Crisâ storyline, and even in parts we stepped out of Crisâ POV to get some pomenora moments. Anyway, I think part of this idea comes from the fact that Isakâs season in Skam had a very tight POV because Jonas, Magnus and Mahdi were props to Isakâs story more than actual characters, the Magnus and Vilde stuff was really very minimal, and Julie Andem managed to make all of Nooraâs woes relate to what Isak was going through. Whereas Nora, Ava and Mailin arenât props, they are all mains or potential mains with their own storylines. (Just like Eva, Viri, Nora and Amira did in Crisâ season.) Anyway, I do think the Ava/Mailin storyline couldâve connected more explicitly to Fatouâs struggles at work, and I feel like maybe that wouldâve alleviated some of the complaints. But I absolutely do not feel that storyline shouldâve been saved for Avaâs season because thatâs nonsensical. As a black lesbian, racism is as important a topic for Fatou as it is for Ava. And like, no one is arguing that Kieu My/Fatou shouldnât have been set up in s5, and their story has even less to do with Noraâs struggles.
4. Jasmina Wesolowskiâs messages re: the reasons why they cut a lot of scenes, have for me less to do with pacing reasons, and more to do with budget reasons. While ARD/ZDF/Funk has time and again acquiesced to the teamâs suggestions, like when they pushed for David to be trans, and I imagine a lot of the decisions they made with new gen, it also feels like theyâre less supportive financially when the stories cater to more ânicheâ populations (which is how they referred to David being trans). I think this is the reason some seasons are longer than others tbh. The budget isnât there for certain seasons. I also completely understand why the team would want to push s5 and s6 out in short order, so theyâd have more time to regroup, incorporate feedback and potentially have time for more than 2 additional seasons after renewal. But I can believe that the actors were tired because itâs the first acting job for most, and they didnât have that much of a break in between. I would hope that, if and when they are renewed, thereâs a bit of a longer break between seasons, so everyone is on top form for every subsequent season, and they donât have to cut scenes for lack of money or time.Â
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hi, If you are still doing taking asks for the top 5 of whatever, I have one. Top 5 (or 10) scenes in the skamverse?
anon this is a really good ask and iâm unfortunately absolute trash for the skamverse so itâs gonna have to be my top 10 skjdnfskjdnfs in the interest of fairness though Iâm going to try my best to limit myself to one scene/clip per season [also cut on this one bc it got long oops]
1. Minutt for minutt [og skam s3]
Words cannot express how much this scene still means to me four years after i first saw it. Like this is the scene that made Even and Isakâs relationship so special to me, this is probably the scene or at least one of them that tipped this show from âoh this is really goodâ to âi will fucking die on this hill for skamâ for me. like, just the tenderness of Isak quietly watching Even as he sleeps. the soft physical affection a mentally ill character is allowed to have on screen. this beautiful yet grounded dialogue about coping with mental illness which cheesy as it might sound is also something iâve very often taken to heart in my own struggle with coping with mental illness since. like god. truly groundbreaking, honestly.
2. Davidâs coming out scene in druck s3 ep 8 - âi am a boy. i just have to try a little harderâ [druck s3]
this scene came very, very close to beating minutt for minutt and honestly on a different day it might have done so, just today i decided to put minutt for minutt at the top simply because itâs been with me for longer. but i think this was probably the most emotionally moving clip for me in the entire season, and i had the privilege to watch it in real time which makes it even more special to me. it was everything i could have ever wanted from davidâs coming out - soft, aching, quiet, devastating writing that broke my entire heart. and âi am a boy; i just have to try a little harderâ is probably a line thatâs going to stick with me for a very long time. i canât think of another trans personâs coming out scene in mainstream media that has touched me as deeply as this one.
3. Fatou and Kieu Myâs museum date in druck s6 ep 6 [druck s6]
this scene has everything. EVERYTHING. space imagery! soft and tender kisses! hands brushing in the dark! yearning looks! playful banter! serious conversations about feelings that move forward both their development! like it just reminds me so viscerally of falling in love for the first time as a teenager. druck in general i think does a very good job of portraying teen romance but the fact that this teen romance is about two wlwoc [one of whom is vietnamese like bitch!!!!] means EVERYTHING to me. like this more than anything else in the entire skamverse is something I wish my teen self had gotten to see. iâve probably seen this clip about twenty times because part of me still canât believe it exists.
4. The Carnival scene at the end of the last episode of skam austin s1 [skam austin s1]
honestly i think the entire last clip of skam austin s1 is just pure excellence [even if they made me watch Meg and Marlon have sex in a car wash smfh]. like one of my favorite things about og skam was how it really gave their characters room to breathe and take their time with their conversations and i think this clip is probably one of the ones that come the closest to capturing that energy for me [no wonder i guess since julie andem was so involved with this season]. but i love the carnival scene in particular because i love the energy it captures in megâs dynamics with the other characters and itâs just such a nice opportunity for them all to finally breathe after a difficult season. also i will never ever forget the pure euphoria of watching Shay become a confirmed lesbian on screen in real time [even if i still think the way it was done was kinda meh]. i think i was giddy for the rest of the fucking night after i saw that.
5. Nora breaking up with Miquel for good in skamesp s3 ep 8 [skamesp s3]
i actually think skamesp s3 is one of the best remake seasons of the skamverse. An incredible feat for skamesp to make me rank a NOORHELL season near the top, but honestly skamesp s3 is much more than a noorhell season, like i think the story it tells is hard to watch but very important to tell. i especially love this clip because itâs just such a well thought out culmination of Noraâs arc throughout the season. and itâs so devastating in how understated it is. the acting is phenomenal, the lighting is gorgeous, my breath was taken away by the way Nora said âdonât touch meâ with her hair blowing gently around her face. just very good.
6. Josh and Noraâs second break-up scene at the end of druck s5 ep 9 [druck s4]
what does it say about me that this is the THIRD BREAK UP CLIP on this list skdjdnfksdnfsdkn. i genuinely did have a really hard time picking one clip for s5 [other top contenders include the last clip of ep 8 and the cuddle clip at the beginning of ep 6] but i went with this one because a. i love to suffer and b. the way josh plays with noraâs jacket and then she gently pulls away and his hands still linger bc he canât quite bring himself to let her go just yet fucking HAUNTS ME. watching this scene genuinely made me feel like i was going through a break up myself, maybe because it reminded me so much of my own first break up in a lot of ways. kudos to the strong writing and stellar performances from the actors here.
7. Best of Islam [og skam s4]
Yousana the true og m/f relationship i was overly invested in... i miss they... anyway this clip is really good just on its own and i think itâs a good encapsulation of everything i wanted this season to be. i love that Sana got to talk about her experiences and her relationship with her religion; i love that yousef listens to her carefully and talks about his own experiences and feelings; i love their playful energy; I LOVE YOUSEF GIVING SANA THE FLOWER. truly it doesnât get better than this.
8. Amira and Mohammed get back together at the end of druck s4 ep 7 [druck s4]
i love this scene because i think it showcases the very best of Amira and Mohammedâs dynamic. the way they listen to each other, their playful manner with each other, how utterly taken they are with each other. i love also that Mohammed finally got to talk about his experiences as a refugee and how that connects to his religion. and the whole exchange about baklava still has me so ;-; ;-; the chemistry these two have is absolutely unreal. i will never get over Amira being cheated of the last few episodes of her season. the greatest injustice to experience after a clip like this, truly.
9. Life in Italics [skam austin s2]
aside from the first ep this might be the only clip iâve actually seen from this season but i stand by this choice sorry not sorry shay dixon performing an absolute bop in a pink wig is just too iconic
10. Crisana cuddle scene in skamesp s2 episode 6 [skamesp s2]
I think Iâve loved basically every remake version of the iconic s3 ep 5 cuddle clip iâve seen but this one has stuck with me in particular just because it was really special to me to be able to see two girls be so soft and gentle and loving with each other. no excessive make-up, no hypersexualization, nothing glossy or glamorized about it. i honestly often have a really hard time connecting to teen wlw romance but this was one of those times it actually felt real to me. also the song choice for this clip is simply chefâs kiss
Ask me my top 5/10 anything!
#the way this is showing my entire ass as a druck stan ksjnfskdnfds#FOUR DRUCK CLIPS ON THIS LIST#I'M NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT SORRY#if i had let myself i probably would have put even more druck clips on here#probably from s3 or s5#tbf if i had allowed myself more than one clip a season o helga natt would have absolutely made it on here too#it's just minutt for minutt means so much to me personally#but i think o helga natt is just gorgeously crafted#answers#Anonymous
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I LOVED season 1 and 2 of the crown but found season 3 quite dull and difficult to get through. I'm enjoying season 4 (still havent finished bc I watch with my family and we're rarely all together) but I think that the earlier seasons were a lot better in my opinion
hi! i completely agree w you!
I AM SO SORRY FOR THE LATE REPLY! I replied to this the day you sent it but my laptop crashed and I lost everything I wrote so I put off till now!
All in all, the writing for the first two seasons were WAY better. My ranking is s2 > s1 > s4 >>>>> s3. In my opinion, season three was kind of terrible.
hahaha this is so so long.
In the first two seasons each episodeâs mini story for the day was actually INTERESTING. Like, I loved where one episode was about the Mountbatten name and then the next was about the Great Smog! But, there was always an overarching plot and it always added up in the end. S1, S2 and S4 all had an overarching plot that worked! S1 was balancing family and the crown. S2 was balancing prime ministers and her husband. S4 was the downfall of Margaret Thatcher and Charles/Diana. S3 LITERALLY HAD NO PLOT! It was just a bunch of stories put together. The finale for season 3 was about the end of Margaretâs marriage! And although, it is an important event in the familyâs history the fact that it was the finale episode????
Anyways, Season 3 genuinely just sucks. Season 4 is REALLY good. Yet, it still doesnât leave as much of an affect on me like the earlier seasons. AND LIKE I KNOW BECAUSE IâVE REWATCHED THE FIRST THREE SEASONS SO MANY TIMES. Iâve only seen the fourth once because Iâm too busy and itâs also too early for me to rewatch it. So, maybe my opinion of season 4 will change!
Now, because I am extra đđ and crazy I will talk about every single episode IN ORDER. hehehehehehe. feel free to hate me
SEASON ONE
101 Wolferton Splash - 10/10 this episodes just sets everything up! we see how happy the marriage is and how loving king george is and we also see the FORSHADOWING!! we see lilibet and phillip making their life thinking they had time when we know they donât and itâs just :( AN AMAZING PILOT EPISODE WITH AMAZING QUOTES!
102 Hyde Park Corner - 1000/10 this episode needs no explanation. the suspense and DRAMA right before lilibet finds out about her dad ALWAYS gets me!!
103 Windsor - 10/10 I hated this episode the first time I watched it! I didnât understand the importance of her uncle and I didnât understand the complexity behind the episode. I was 14 when I saw this episode for the first time! So, mind you I was quite ignorant. but, david basically represents the audience in the show for those who hate the monarchy and call them out on their hypocrisy. BUT DAVID IS A TERRIBLE PERSON! FUCK DAVID! i understand hating the monarchy and for him i know it was personal but the way he talks about his family in the letters UGHUGHGUHGUHGUHGUH this man is evil! thereâs also the other story in the episode about the mountbatten name which is so brilliant!
104 Act of God - 15/10 this episode was boring on first watch but I WAS FOURTEEN! this episode took a break from the monarchy and concentrated on a british national horrific event THAT WAS IMPORTANT and i liked how it connected throughout the episode and all that and the CINEMATOGRAPHY OMGGGGG! anyways, something that pisses me off about this episode is that the crown kind of has the same kind of audience as euphoria! they only care about a hot actor or iconic character or the aesthetics AND THAT MAKES ME ANGRY! bc those are the ppl who call this episode the boring fog episode and the latest episode of euphoria a waste of time! they donât understand the importance of what their watching. an event that killed hundreds by something that could have been avoided bc of science and for euphoria an ongoing pandemic of an ugly world and its affect on ppl not wanting to go on! IM SORRY THIS TURNED INTO A RANT but this episode is important in reminding audiences that disasters can be avoided but also once they happen anything can happen THIS WAS A SAD EPISODE OKAY AND I LOVED VENETIA SCOTT!
105 Smoke and Mirrors - 100/10 THE CORONATION EPISODE! Phillip tries to bring it to the common public and all the fighting between them just makes the coronation even more impactful when we watch it!
106 Gelignite - 8/10 I DESPISED MARGARET IN THE FIRST SEASON i saw her as a spoiled brat who wanted to marry her dadâs assistant! AND ALSO HOW DID SHE NOT REALIZE THERE WAS DEFINITE GROOMING INVOLVED! this episode is generally very good but margaret just pisses me off a lot! however, her not being able to marry peter boresend shouldnât have been because of his divorcee status but bc he simply was a predator in anyoneâs clear eyes IM SORRY IF YOU DISAGREE BUT SHE MET HIM SO YOUNG NO WAY THERE WAS NO GROOMING good episode but pissed off at margaretâs lack of critical thinking besides but I WANT HIMMMMM LIKE I WANT EVERYTHING
107 Scientia Potentia Est - 11/10 hated this when i first watched it! but now one of my favorites! lilibet feels dumb and needs a tutor! prime minister and wannabe prime minister have health problems and keep it from her! lilibet finds out by accident and they all get yelled at! I LOVE WHEN SHE YELLS AT MEN!
108 Pride & Joy - 10/10 this episode is just adds on to the overarching plot of the season: balancing the crown and family. margaret says disrespectful things to ppl who donât deserve it in place of lilibet while sheâs on the commonwealth tour fighting with her husband! then lilibet scorns margaret and we see an ugly papa loved me more argument! absolutely brilliant!
109 Assassins - 1000/10 hated it the first time but now I LOVE THIS EPISODE! itâs the painting and porchey episode and churchill leaving episode. Itâs so so so good! i honestly have no words to describe the brilliance of this episode besides the acting done by almost the entire main cast CLAIRE WOW! MATT WOW! STEPHEN (THE PAINTER) WOW! JOHN WOW! HARRIET WOW! when we see the painting getting burned coincided w the downing st dinner GETS ME EVERYTIME I LOVE IT SO SO MUCH!
110 Gloriana - 100/10 the climactic fight between the crown and family! which will lilibet choose?? and the foreshadowing to suez MWAH!
SEASON TWO
201 Misadventure - 100/10 LOVE LOVE LOVE THIS EPISODE the cutesy lilibet and phillip until it all goes down WOW! and the suez stuff i love it all
202 A Company of Men - 100/10 this is where i think mikeâs wife starts snooping or itâs the next episode BUT THIS IS WHERE SOMETHING BEGINS FOR SURE first of all it foreshadows the episode later in the season about philipâs childhood AND MATTâS ACTING!! itâs too good for words!
203 Lisbon - 100/10 i like it when they fight lol thatâs the only way i know how to describe why i love it LILIBET WAS EXCITED TO SEE HIM AND SO WAS HE but then mike ruined it by being a disgraceful and dishonest man RUINING EVERYTHING
204 Beryl - 10/10 i start to like margaret bc i feel bad for her! sheâs suffering sheâs sad that her lil predator boyfriend is no longer w her but look who it is MATTHEW GOODE! he not suspicious at all but the writers are like here take 20 minutes of perfect chemistry between the actors!
205 Marionettes - 100/10 I LOVE THIS EPISODE basically someone who loves the monarchy insults the monarchy and lilibet actually goes to listen to them! w resistance of course but she still took everything he said to fix the monarchy !
206 Vergangenheit - 1000/10 one of my favorites! i didnât know about davidâs nazi past so when i watched this episode for the first time i was completely baffled! another episode where she yells at a man!!!! iâm always annoyed in this episode tho by all the talk from the priest about forgiveness bc im like why would u want to forgive david for being a nazi?? but i think it was intentional by the writers to show the importance of understanding forgiveness and the grounds for it! THIS EPISODE IS JUST PERFECT IM ANNOYED BC I DONâT WANT TO FORGIVE HIM
207 Matrimonium - 9/10 this episode is amazing BEFORE youâve seen season three bc you root for margaret and tony! but, also throughout the episode thereâs all that tony and family and his gf and bf stuff that you think is going to lead somewhere but doesnât??? like what was the point of introducing his mother and his relationships if it was going nowhere and not even mentioned in season 3??? LIKE WHAT WAS THE POINT WHAT WAS THE REASON? but, also thereâs lilibet and phillip fluff in this episode I LOVE
208 Dear Mrs. Kennedy - 10/10 this episode is fun as an american bc i think jackie kennedy and jfk are so idolized here in america it was so interesting to see this other pov! BUT I ALSO REALLY LOVED LILIBET DANCING W NKRUMAH! I THOUGHT IT WAS SO CUTE AND THE MARTIN CHARTERIS STUFF LEADING UP TO IT WAS SO FUNNY!
209 Paterfamilias - 100000/10 no words. IT WAS SO SMART TO PARALLEL PHILIP AND CHARLES this has a lower rating than the previous episode which makes no sense but only goes to prove the idolization of jackie and jfk
210 Mystery Man - 100/10 EVERYTHING FROM THE FIRST EPISODE IS ADDRESSED IN THIS EPISODE THE SEASON COMES FULL CIRCLE JUST LIKE SEASON ONE DID AND SEASON THREE DID NOT DO THAT AND SEASON FOUR DID IT TOO BUT NO WHERE AS GREATLY
every single episode of seasons two has a 9+ rating from me!
SEASON THREE (worst season)
301 Olding - 5/10 weak starter but good for introducing olivia as lilibet and harold wilson and departing churchill BUT THATâS IT! like the whole spy thing just went bleh LIKE IT HAD POTENTIAL but it needed early seasons writing not third season writing techniques TOBIAS DID A GREAT JOB THO IN THIS EPISODE HE WAS A GREAT RECAST FOR PHILIP
302 Margaretology - 6/10 okay. just okay. margaret kind of bratty but you actually feel bad for her then she gets bratty again and then you feel bad for her again and the scenarios in the episode just didnât feel real like the whole lyndon b johnson was so jealous of jfk that he was rude to the queen so they sent margaret JUST DIDNâT MAKE SENSE like i know this show is fictional but the fiction tends to be believable until i research the episode afterwards BUT FOR THIS it just didnât make sense
303 Aberfan - 1000/10 ONE OF THE GOOD EPISODES OF THE SEASON! those first fifteenish minutes??? TEARS! i never knew about aberfan until this episode and seeing this episode made me cry!
304 Bubbikins - 10000/10 THIS EPISODE IS TECHNICALLY NOT AS GOOD AS THE ABERFAN EPISODE BUT THIS IS A PERSONAL PREFERENCE we meet anne and alice in this episode AND I LOVE BOTH OF THEM (erinsdoherty is my current url!) this episode is so sad and sweet at the same time and loving bc iâm a sucker for philipâs back story!
305 Coup - 8/10 this had potential I FEEL LIKE IF THEY WROTE THIS EPISODE DIFFERENTLY LIKE HOW THEY WROTE ONE OF THE SUEZ EPISODE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH BETTER the fact that it all went to nothing and nothing basically happened WHAT WAS THE POINT
306 Tywysog Cymru - 1000/10 this episode made me like charles! what a horrendous statement! but, like i thought his relationship w his tutor was so heartwarming and he actually seemed to care and all that and it just all in all MADE ME HAPPY like this episode isnât sad itâs a happy episode until the last scene w lilibet BUT YEA they gave us this one good episode until we hate him which i appreciate makes the story telling better
307 Moondust - -100/10 hate this episode LIKE GENUINELY HATE IT HATE HATE HATE and tbh im generally very very nice w my opinions ANYWAYS I WAS SO EXCITED FOR THIS EPISODE BUT IT WAS SO STUPID LIKE THE ASTRONAUTS BEING ASSHOLES WAS STUPID PHILIP BEING AN ASSHOLE TO THE PRIESTS WAS STUPID LIKE PHILIP IS AN ASSHOLE BUT ITâS BEHIND PEOPLEâS BACKS AND THEN THEY KILLED ALICE OFF SCREEN I HATE THIS EPISODE
308 Dangling Man - -1000/10 HATE THIS ONE TOO this episode convinced me that the writers for the first two seasons to this season has changed all of a sudden we forget that david was basically a nazi and the charles we met two episodes ago sees him as exactly like this uncle who he swore he would be nothing like to the people of wales??? LIKE WHO WROTE THIS THEY WERE DOING CRACK WHILE WRITING THIS EPISODE and i felt NOTHING during the lilibet and david goodbye WHACK EPISODE TERRIBLE JUST BAD TERRIBLE
309 Imbroglio - 5/10 episode started off good but then just went a lil too crazy by making it seem like a whole secret spy mission going behind lilibetâs back
310 Cri de Cour - 4/10 bad just bad HBC GOOD ACTRESS AMAZING ACTRESS given bad material like NONE OF THIS FEELS CONNECTED THIS STORY IS ALL RANDOM AND WE HAD A WHOLE EPISODE ABOUT MARGARET AND TONY AND WE DONâT EVEN MENTION ANY OF THE CRAZY STUFF FROM THE LAST SEASON BUT WE CONCENTRATE ON MARGARET BEING A SUGAR MAMA MAKES SENSE YALL
once again i hate season three
SEASON FOUR
401 Gold Stick- 8/10 written weirdly but had GOOD SCENES such as meeting thatcher and diana! BUT THE SCENE STEALER WAS OBVIOUSLY MOUNTBATTENâS DEATH AND PHILIP TELLING CHARLES THAT HE BECAME DICKIEâS SON INSTEAD OF HIM SAD STUFF so like the death was sad and dramatic and I FELT BAD but like i shouldnât bc im south asian and mountbatten did bad stuff to us BUT IT DOESNâT CHANGE THE RIPPLE WE FELT
402 The Balmoral Test - 9/10 funny episode but needed early seasonsâ writing
403 Fairytale - 9/10 good episode but needed early seasonsâ writing BUT ALSO THAT SCENE BETWEEN CAMILA AND DIANA MWAH CHEFâS KISS THEY BOTH DESERVE ALL THE AWARDS but needed early seasonsâ writing
404 Favourites - 7/10 this episode is good but frustrating bc u finally realize how terrible of a mother lilibet is BUT THE ANDREW STUFF WAS GOOD I AM GLAD THEY PUT THAT IN! i liked seeing thatcherâs non-existent relationship w her daughter NEEDED EARLY SEASONSâ WRITING
405 Fagan - 10/10 GOOD EPISODE I LIKE HOW WE WERE EMERSED IN FAGANâS LIFE AND I LOVE THE ACTOR FOR FAGAN TOO AND I LIKE HOW IT WAS CONNECTED TO THATCHER AND FUELED THE OVERARCHING PLOT OF THE STORY!
406 Terra Nullius - 100/10 GOOD EPISODE CLOSEST TO EARLY SEASONS WRITING THATâS WHAT MADE IT GOOD seeing them not get along and then get along and then not get along again through a series of montages made the episode brilliant!
407 The Hereditary Principle - 6/10 this episode. how do i explain? the material for this episode was absolutely perfect for the writers of the early seasons! POOR EXECUTION
408 48:1 - 100/10 i like the political episodes more than the family episodes SO THIS EPISODE IS SO BRILLIANT BC OF THE BACK AND FORTH AND I GOT TO SEE CLAIRE!!
409 Avalanche - 7/10 early season writers would have shown the arguing before the avalanche and dianaâs reaction JUST SAYING
410 War - 9/10 THIS EPISODE HAD THE YELLING AT EACH OTHER SCENE THAT WAS SO GOOD BUT ANYWAYS THE PROBLEM W THIS EPISODE WAS THAT IT DRAGGED I FEEL LIKE THIS EPISODE AND THE ONE BEFORE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ONE EPISODE TOGETHER
ALAS, what i would like to say is that i feel that season 4 shouldnât have been so diana centric! it was diana from the beginning of the season to the end! not, that i donât love the whole diana story but it was dragged and i think she should have been introduced around the third/fourth episode of this season the same way tony was in season two! camilla should have arrived at the beginning of season 4 so that the intensity between camilla, charles and diana was more believable! if we season three wasnât so spread out they could have had more brilliant episode.
OK HAHA I AM SO SORRY FOR THIS VERY LONG RANT ABOUT THE CROWN PLZ FORGIVE ME! AND IF U READ ALL THIS WOW! IDK WHAT TO SAY I THINK I TALK TOO MUCH HONESTLY :( anyways thank you for talking to me :)
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