#anyway - read stone butch blues and sons of the movement

[st-dionysus]

hey I'm hearing about cisbians first time, could you please explain what's the core in that term and what's wrong with it? /genq

all I got is that it's cisgender lesbians that feel oppressed for being lesbians.

It's just a shortening of "Cisgender lesbian", much like transbian is a shorting of "transgender lesbian", there is no moral or ideological connotation to either.

Cisgender lesbians are oppressed for being lesbians. All lesbians are oppressed for being lesbians because we live in a homophobic society.

That being said, terfs tend to really really really hate being called cisbians and consider it a slur or whatever because they consider "cisgender" to be a slur.

My post is just telling cisgender lesbians to read literature (Stone Butch Blues and Sons of The Movement) about the transmasculine and FTM people who helped build the lesbian community and culture since cis lesbians enjoy pretending like trans men and transmasculine people are invaders of their "sacred community spaces" (/sarcasm) when those spaces wouldn't have existed without the transmasculine people and trans men that sacrificed so much for the lesbian community.

However, since most cis people hate educating themselves about transgender history, they're sending me death threats on a post that's over a year old.

[lockandkeyhyena]

I have a few recs! Some of these are more biographical than theory based, but I tried to stick to works that have some larger commentary to be made on masculinity and trans masculinity in relation to Feminist theory. I will put the disclaimer that I too am only just dipping my toes into more analysis of trans masculinity from within Feminism and transfeminism, so I'm not well-versed in regards to if any of these authors are problematic or have any larger beef within academic circles (as academic circles are pretty notorious for conflict amongst each other). But I do know that these works were helpful to me on my own journey within this corner of the academic field as a genderfluid trans masc!

Becoming a Visible Man by Jamison Green

Self Made Men: Identity, Embodiment and Recognition Among Transsexual Men by Henry Rubin

Masculinities Without Men? by Bobby Noble

Sons of the Movement: FtMs Risking In-Coherence On a Post-Queer Cultural Landscape? by Bobby Noble

Men Doing Feminism edited by Tom Digby (particularly Tracing a Ghostly Memory in My Throat: Reflections on Ftm Feminist Voice and Agency by C. Jacob Hale)

Trans, Feminism: Or, Reading like a Depressed Transsexual by Cameron Awkward-Rich

Transfeminist Perspectives edited by Anne Enke (particularly Trans. Panic. Some Thoughts toward a Theory of Feminist Fundamentalism by Bobby Noble)

Stone Butch Blues by Leslie Feinberg (this one is historical fiction, but it's just such an extremely influential work that has left its mark on discussion within lesbian and trans masc communities; if you haven't read it, read it, but do take care because it contains a lot of potentially triggering stuff)

I think it should also be noted as you're delving into the academic side of gender studies that many of the authors who have been influential to the field since the early days have published updated or edited versions of their works or otherwise given some sort of statement as to the flaws they recognize within their older works. For instance, Julia Serano has spoken in the past about how much of what she said about trans mascs and intersex folks in Whipping Girl came from a lack of understanding of their experiences and her position now has obviously changed since back when it was first published. That is to say, it's important to recognize when wading the academic waters of gender studies that authors are not flawless (particularly when speaking to experiences they have not lived through), language and discussion is constantly evolving, and most authors grow and change as we all reach for a better understanding of each other. Anyway, hopefully this is helpful!

this is SO helpful and exactly what i was looking for!! thank you so much anon!