#antitonystark

[tonkysexist]

In Endgame were supposed to believe that T*ny’s arc comes to an end with this big sacrifice that contrasts with the selfish war monger he “used” to be. But, everything up to that final act completely negates that idea. T*ny, compared to his fellow Avengers, lost very little in the snap. He still had his wife. He got to have his daughter. And he was very explicit that he was unwilling to participate in Scott’s plan because he didn’t want to lose anything. Which is ironic considering how he deliberately put Clint’s family in danger during CACW by exposing them to Ross. Starting from his unwillingness to take responsibility during his moronic tirade at the beginning of the film to this moment where he pushes back so hard on sacrificing anything for the greater good proves that T*ny’s “arc” is nonsensical and nonexistent. He’s not a hero. He never was.

[barbara-gordons-glasses]

I legitimately don’t know what to say to this....other than....wow.

Like, yeah Stark encourage Peter to make fun of Steve’s trauma and hit him below the belt. Honestly, anyone anti-cap, pro-irondad/starker cannot be in a 3 mile range of me or I will delete them

[tired-of-tonystans]

Steve Rogers and Stephen Strange have literally never interacted in the movies so why the fuck do all the Tonky stans who hate Steve use Strange as a prop to voice their opinions????

[spoiletalertimnotstraight]

Batfamily > irondad. You can't change my mind

[manyandmanyayearago]

I don't really like to post negative stuff, but like I really struggle to understand why people actually like Tony Stark.

Even discounting a lot of his shadier stuff, like selling weapons and essentially war profiteering which happens pre and during Iron Man 1, he does some pretty shady stuff. One of the things that still leaves a sour taste in my mouth is the whole Peter Parker thing in Civil War.

I wasn't a Tony Anti when Civil War came out. In fact I actually liked him at the time, but the scene where Tony locks the door when he's trying to recruit a 15 year old Peter really made me feel anxious, mostly because it mirrored a not so pleasant memory for me.

Also the fact that Tony uses Peter's anxiety about telling aunt May about his powers to blackmail him into fighting team cap in Germany, and then essentially abandons him afterwards? Yeah that's not good.

Tony was never a father figure to Peter, he simply used the kid like a tool against Steve and threw him away once the fight was done, because that's how Tony has learned to treat people, like objects to be thrown away once he has no more use for them.

[archivedsamwilson]

The thing is Peter isn’t nothing without the suit. He’s a smart, caring, inventive, talented and super powered, but instead of Tony stopping him and saying “hey little buddy, you’re actually all these amazing things you don’t need a suit to be a hero” like an actual mentor/ father figure, he just fucking confirms Peter’s worst fears, and fucks off and plans on never talking to him again. Some “dad”.

[seeksredempticn]

Hey this is genuinely just curiosity, I'm not looking to fight, but what do you have against Tony Stark? Is it just mcu Tony?

Hey! Thanks for being so polite! I only hate MCU Tony, because I dont really know any other version of him - except for some amazing roleplayers. Well, I think the whole Peter thing is a shitshow. Tony takes a 16-year-old boy who just discovered his powers to another country to fight Captain America, without ever giving him any explanation to what was happening (also breaking the Accords he was so fussy over), and what they were fighting over. I didn’t watch SM:H, but I’ve seen a lot of people saying Tony seemed neglectful towards Peter, installed a fucking kill mode in his damn suit, and had a lovely line about how he couldn’t have Peter’s death on his consciousness - which feels like the problem wasn’t Peter dying, but Peter dying and it being Tony’s fault. Tony rarely seems to care about things until they directly affect him. You can’t tell me he didnt know what his weapons were being used for before he witnessed it and felt bad about it. Same thing with CA:CW. I doubt he would have been pro-Accords if that lady hadn’t shoved her son’s death into his face. Going back a little, I hate how condescending and mocking he always is, how every time he’s sharing a scene with a woman, he’s leering. Bonus points for the rape joke in AoU. In AoU, well, he makes Ultron. “Oh, but Wanda-” yeah, she did that with everyone, and nobody reacted like that. Tony deliberately doesn’t tell anyone, exactly because he knows they’ll stop him. In CACW, or, as I call it, Iron Man 4, it’s a shitshow from start to finish. It’s naive to trust the UN to actually put people over the interests of state, and the G5 countries rule it anyway - aka Germany, France, UK, USA, Russia. The UN fails every time it’s needed, usually because money, and poorer/developing countries pay the price inevitably. Our governments suck. And I bet Tony “I have 3 PhDs” knows this. Also, the whole amendments suggestion? Can’t be done, because no Avenger was part of creating the Accords. Furthermore, signing the Accords won’t stop destruction, won’t stop innocent people from getting killed. Tony just wants to have the excuse of just be “following orders” so he won’t feel bad. (Oh, he also calls Wanda a WMD. Good one, buddy.)I won’t even get started in how registering people for being different is the first step to genocide, and there’s enough hatred against mutants and enhanced people in the MCU. Then there’s the airport scene. Tony - and the whole team - flat-out refuse to listen to Steve, only delaying them from stopping the real villain of the movie. He also shoots Sam close-range in the chest for… nothing, I guess, because all Sam did was dodge a blast that would have definitely killed him, if the fall was high enough to paralyze this super-protected Rhodey (who’s only paralyzed for further Tony’s manpain.)When Tony visits the Raft, he talks to Clint like it’s Clint’s fault that he’s there. Sure, he broke the Accords, to stop Zemo. What did he want, for everyone to stay still and wait for their passports so they could go to Siberia? Oh, he leaves everyone there to rot, too, when he could have broken everyone out with a snap of his fingers. Then there’s Siberia (aka, Tony breaking the Accords the moment he needed to). He sees the video of his parents being murdered, and doesn’t immediately attack Bucky. Instead, he talks to Steve first. Attacking Bucky isn’t his gut reaction, so this is further evidence to what the directors say about the scene: that Tony is trying to kill Bucky partially to get back at Steve. To quote the directors: “You like this thing so much? I’m gonna take it away from you.”He also doesn’t care that it wasnt Bucky’s fault. After Steve tells him Bucky wasn’t in control and that killing him won’t change what happened, Tony just says “I don’t care. He killed my mom.”“Oh, but Evie, everyone would have reacted the same!” In that same movie, we see that no, not everyone. The woman from the beginning of the movie looks the man responsible for the death of her son in the eye and doesn’t even raise her voice. T'Challa hasn’t had any time to grieve from seeing his father die in front of him like 3 days ago, and when he learns who’s the real murderer, he stops Zemo from killing himself. Meanwhile, Tony blows Bucky’s arm off and shoots him in the back when he was pretty much already down for the count, and later, when Tony’s got Steve cornered, Bucky taps Tony’s foot to distract him and Tony kicks him in the face with his metal-clad foot. That’s not a fight, that’s just good ole’ cowardice and, as the directors confirmed it, “he wants to see Bucky suffer. That’s why he asks him if he remembers killing his parents.”Basically, Tony doesn’t think shit through. He reacts with his feelings without caring how is it gonna harm others, or if it’s fair, or anything. He’s a self-centered dick who has the most annoying fanbase I’ve ever seen. Also, I’m just really tired of everything in the MCU revolving about his feelings. And theres enough Rich White Billionaire Manpain in the real world. I want to see a hero.

[janeykath318]

Extremist Tony Stark fans tried to pull this same BS claim in order to call anyone who doesn’t like him a racist bigot!! They were shouted down pretty quickly.

Today on reylo fuckery: Kylo Ren isn’t a white male villain because Adam Driver looks “ethnic.”

[ircn-dad]

gifs not mine

I saw on the original post of these gifts the reblogs and...wow. Not the people saying "Tony reacts like that because that's what Steve tried to tell him before!! #antitonystark"

What actually Steve said: This job... We try to save as many people as we can. Sometimes that doesn't mean everybody, but, if we can't find a way to live with that, Next time... maybe nobody can be saved.

Peter is basically saying he can't live with the knowledge of not helping everyone, Steve is saying that they have to learn to live with it because it's better saving someone than not saving everyone.

While I think Steve is not an asshole and doesn't like when someone dies, I also think that Peter and Steve are not guided by the same morality. Steve accept the fact a lot of people die with his job, Peter and Tony don't. They can't accept the fact they cannot save everyone, they feel responsible for every damage they cause. That's why Tony had that look, because he related to Peter's words. That's literally the point of why he wanted the accords.

Tony blames him self and not just for Ultron. He blamed himself since IM1. When he said "I just finally know what I have to do, and i know in my heart that's it's right" and right before that he mentioned the soldiers who were killed by his weapons, even if it wasn't directly his fault. You can se the parallels between the two of them, they both blames themselves for everything.

Were the accords bad? Yes. Were they needed? Also, Yes. The idea of the accords was good because if I was one of the civilians like Zemo I would want them, and you cannot say otherwise if you were in their place.

So yes, I still think Peter would have been on Team Iron Man anyway because Peter would never turn his back on the civilians (He sacrifices his identity for them, he sacrificed his whole life for them). Even if he didn't like the accords, he would have accepted them and willed to change them. Peter and Tony have the same guilt, the same morale. Tony choose Peter because he saw himself in him, and Peter found comfort in Tony because he was the only one who understood him (Like confirmed in IW novelization).

Tony was the best person to mentor him.

[pissboycharles]

reminds me of when I was in the mcu fandom and someone took the antitonystark url n just used it to be a cunt about a fictional character 😭 it's that but max stannies to lewis fans lol do u not have jobs do go to? hobbies? you really have to interact with every post u disagree with 😭 couldn't be me x

[gringoslur]

whats the most dramatic way that u broke mutuals w someone? mines are always related to my pansexuality. oh, and one for being antitonystark lmao.

[barbara-gordons-glasses]

Alright, since I can’t sleep and I’m bored, I’m going to list a few things that I hate about Tony Stark/RDJ, and his “fans”. If youre a Tony/RDJ fan pls ignore this.

Tony Stark made weapons for the military and only stopped because he was nearly killed and no

It wasn’t because he “felt bad” for those that were actually being harmed by the weapons. It was for his personal benefit

He constantly flirts with and messes with women while dating pepper

In the first IM movie, he made a transphobic joke and in an interview for his Sherlock movie, made a joke about cross-dressing

In AOU he made a rape joke, saying that if he ends up ruling Asgard, he’d reinstall pre minocta (or however you spell it)

He made Ultron, and before you start with the whole “B-b-but Wanda mind raped him!”

Firstly, wtf is mind rape? Really? For anyone who says mind rape y’all need therapy—maybe more so than Wanda

Anyways, he made Ultron and in civil war, had the A U D A C I T Y to say “we need to be put in place” as if it was the avenger’s fault that he created Ultron.

And him being the Rich white dude he was, he knew the accords wouldn’t effect him. He could still break the law without any consequences.

So he a brought a 15 year old child into battle with professionals, lied about his age, and didn’t even tell him the full reason of why he was fighting

Also? He thinks? Him and Steve? Were friends? Last I checked, they couldn’t stand each other, and had a hard time working together

So when he says “I wAs YoUr FrIeNd ToO” uh no. He’s known Bucky for 100 actual years. You guys have known each other for like 2, with 6 month breaks from working together

Homecoming, he completely neglects Peter and passes him off to happy, who ignores him as well

And then takes away the suit because Peter was trying to do his job.

You could give the excuse—“he sent government agents after the vulture!”

Yes. And toomes overpowered them by a lot so that didn’t do anything

Tony says he doesn’t want to end up like his father, but it just as emotionally distant as him

I cant even begin with that one scene in IW when he HAD THE CHANCE TO CALL STEVE AND ASK FOR HELP TO DEFEAT THANOS, BUT DIDNT. OUT OF PURE STUPIDITY AND HIS MASSIVE EGO

AND THEN WHEN HE AND HIS TEAM LOSES, HE’S??? SURPRISED???

LIKE, YEAH DUDE BECAUSE YOU HAVE PETER QUILL ON YOUR TEAM OBSESSING OVER HIS DEAD GIRLFRIEND smh

The endgame scene where he basically yells at Steve for “not being there” knowing full well that if Steve were to come out of hiding, he would’ve been arrested

Has a child five years later and then suddenly on tumblr, he’s “dad of the year” even tho he got like two scene with his kid...I mean...Stan Scott Lang

Him figuring out time travel makes no sense??

How’d he get pym particles of Hank kept his work secretive??

I’m telling you if Shuri hadn’t been dusted away, they wouldn’t have needed tony I stg

Fast forward and now he’s dead, and lemme tell you—it took EVERYTHING not to laugh at their faces.

Scott, Hank, Janet, Hope, Wanda, and Bucky, to be specific.

I mean

HE ALMOST KILLED BUCKY, KILLED WANDA’S ENTRE FAMILY, AND SCOTT JUST HATES HIM

They didn’t even wanna be there lmao

Ok, now that that’s done with, let’s move onto RDJ

I really never liked him as an actor because he has limited range when it comes to characters

By which I mean all of his characters are cocky, smart, “handsome”, and “funny”

They aren’t, but k

But now that he defended Crisp ratt for being a T*umpet supporter and a homophobe, I hate him even more now

And it’s not even because he’s standing up for ratt

It’s because he never showed this type of compassion when his female and cast mates of color were being attacked for their roles

Brie Larson got rape and death threats for being captain marvel, and only wanting more diversity/better pay for herself

Zendaya got hate because she was the first black MJ

Ratt got hate because he attended a homophobic church that supported conversion therapy

Guess which one RDJ defended?

Yup

And not only that but he’s just a really unfunny person. He’s basically Tony Stark and not in a good way

Though there isn’t a good way to be Tony Stark in the first place

NOW onto my favorite part

RDJ/Tony stocks fan club

Or “defense squad” as they call themselves, as if tonky doesn’t have enough defense already, with his suits and all

His fans ignore every flaw about his character and the actor himself

They constantly say how he’s a father figure to Peter, Shuri, nebula, Harley, when really...no

Peter has a father figure—Ben Parker

Shuri already had a father

Nebula didn’t have a good father, but in no means did they interact more than the beginning of endgame

He literally called Harley a p*say for MOURNING OVER HIS ABSENT FATHER

like haha ok Stark you can’t talk

Just because you have your own sob story doesn’t mean you can project that onto others to silence THEIR trauma

And that’s another thing—

His fans claim to say that he “portrays ptsd” more than any other avenger accurately

A C C U R A T E L Y???

Wanda and Pietro?

Steve?

Natasha?

Bucky?

Peter Parker?

Gamora?

Nebula?

Harley?

Literally anyone else but him???

What angers me the most, however, is that people will go as far as to say that Wanda is a nazi b*tch, but...

Not her brother

And I’m being dead serious—no post about “anti-maximoff” ever mentions pietro

Only wanda, as if she were an only child

Well now she is but that wasn’t the point

Their internal mysoginy hurts me both physically and mentally

I’m sorry I made it so long, but if you’d like proof of any of the points I’ve made, I’ll be happy to provide them (;

[tired-of-tonystans]

Since tumblrs tagging is so shit I propose that we tag all posts that are specifically anti Tony as one word so they won’t come up just when someone searches for anything similar that way people don’t get mad about accidental cross tagging.

For example:

Antitony

Antitonystark

Or

Anti tonky stank

[spoiletalertimnotstraight]

Not y'all saying tony stark, who literally made a r*pe joke, is female coded.

[babywarg]

jesus christ i misread antthonystark as antitonystark and nearly has a heart attack dkdhdldbfndlsbld

XD XD XD good catch, anon! i didn’t notice when i reblogged that post. i wonder if the OP gets that a lot...

[manyandmanyayearago]

Okay so.

I didn’t start off as a Tony Stark Anti, I wasn’t a massive fan, but like I didn’t get annoyed whenever I saw him appear in a movie. However a combination of actually thinking about the consequences of his actions and seeing too much of him is actually what pushed me into the Anti camp.

For a guy who pushes accountability in Civil War, TS faces nearly none throughout his entire career as a “Superhero”. I’m gonna focus on Civil War, since that’s the one I watched most recently.

Stark’s obsession with accountability comes with a woman blaming him for her sons death in Sokovia, he then pushes this onto all of the Avengers, telling them that the group needs to be put in check, ignoring the fact that the entire point of the battle in Sokovia was to minimise casualties. Also ignoring that the threat facing the innocent people of Sokovia was one that Stark himself created (Please don’t get me started on the Wanda thing, Stark had been planning Ultron long before Wanda showed him the vision. Interesting that the other Avengers save Bruce managed to not create murder bots after their own nightmares). (Lets also put aside the fact that Thadeus Ross, the man who spearheaded the accords is also the man who manipulated Bruce Banner into becoming the hulk and who wanted to recreate the Supersoldier serum for his own benifit).

Stark is also the one Avenger who has never worked for a government agency (Thor worked for the Asguardian crown which counts), and was also not actually overly affected by the whole shield is hydra thing that caused Steve, Natasha, and Sam to become (Rightfully) suspicious of government agencies. His need to have all of them put under the control of a council which had been proved a few years before to have been corrupt and under the control of actual nazis is a bit weird actually, and I don’t think anyone with critical thinking skills and knowledge of the second Cap movie is gonna blame Steve for being suspicious of it.

Not only that but Stark continues to face no consequences. He tries to kill a brainwashed POW out of a burst of anger, spitefully reveals the existence of Clint’s secret family to a government that has shown to be merciless, kidnaps and blackmails the 14 year old Peter Parker, and actually instigates the fight at the airport. And yet by Infinity War he is the one Avenger who is sitting comfy.

As for overexposure. Yeah, dudes been in too many movies. Don’t think I need to cover this.

Anyway I’m sad and tired and those and my thoughts.