#anti-zava

[gottagobackintime]

The fact that Zava didn’t apologise for mispronouncing Zoreaux’s name is pissing me off. Probably more than it should, but whatever.

As someone who has their first and last name misspelled and mispronounced a lot, it’s annoying. I had a substitute teacher when I was like 8, who called out our names in the morning and he said “my name” but he pronounced it “Nick-olé” kind of. And I didn’t understand that he meant me, because that’s not how to say my name. And then he asked if he missed someone and I said he missed me. He asked for my name, I pronounced it CORRECTLY, and he goes “but that’s what I said”. Like??? No, it’s not even close to what you said. Just apologise and say it correctly, that goes for you too Zava!

[countessklair]

you know what, no, i'm not done talking about this. jamie isn't 'dealing with the fact hes not number one anymore/hes not the star'. he literally already dealt with that in SEASON TWO!!!! sure he was still his arrogant prick self but it was in a fun, teasing way meant to make the team and the audience laugh, that was the whole point of The Signal, so Jamie would know he could turn up being a prick!! because he already KNEW he wasn't the star on the team, Roy's whole problem with Jamie when he became a coach was that JAMIE WAS TOO MUCH OF A TEAM PLAYER.

i swear i'm so sick of seeing people act like jamie is just throwing a fit over nothing, he's not worried from a selfish concern (although he has every right to be pissed about Zava stealing his goal, i saw someone else say that Roy would have headbutted the FUCK out of someone for that and they're right and they should say it), but the point is that jamie's biggest concern is that the team, HIS team, the goofy touchy feely himbo team that's anti-toxic masculinity THAT TEAM is regressing. they're not listening to Ted or Beard or Roy, they're just getting on the field and giving Zava the ball and that's not what team sports are about. especially not with a self-centered borderline narcissist like Zava.

also jamie's looking at this from the other side now. he used to be a bully/asshole star player. he was sent back to man city, did some soul searching and growing as a person and as a player and PROVED himself to have changed for the better. he didn't just apologize and go back to acting like a dick, no, he woke up and realized it wasn't ok for him to act like that. so now he's fucking BAFFLED why it's ok for Zava to act like this. Zava isn't an aggressive bully the way Jamie was, but Zava's tell is in his body language. he shakes off Dani and the teams congratulations, stepping infront of and above all of the rest of the team to take all of the crowds cheering for himself and to block the view of the team, he steps in front of ted to block the teams view of their fucking coach, because to Zava, *he* is the only thing that matters. to zava, he is nothing short of the sun and/or god, and jamie is the only one wearing sunglasses and not being blinded by it, and is the only one looking around like 'wtf why is everyone drinking this dickheads kool-aid please get a grip'

[writingway-in-writinghell]

Zava not being able to admit he pronounced a name wrong is grating enough, but him CORRECTING a Black player on his own name especially…! Please, someone kick that man in the face.

[alcoholicweiwuxian]

I love how Jamie and Roy are united in being so over zava

[waterisntreal]

God I fucking hate Zava. I used to play lacrosse in high school and our coach’s strategy was always to just try to get the ball to these three girls who were the best players on our team and let them score. And god it was fucking miserable. Like I loved playing lacrosse even then but it was awful. I mean I hated the strategy and I wasn’t even on offense I was the fucking goalie

[confessionsofatvjunkie]

I don’t like this guy.

[jamiesfootball]

⛓️🔪 JAMIE MURDERS ZAVA? Your mind omg

From this prompt game

⛓️Muzzled

For the Bad Things Happen Bingo prompt of the same name. Roy and Jamie are taken captive, with Jamie being used as both a hostage to keep Roy complacent and a ransom in that they're not here to hurt anyone, they just want Roy's money.

Which doesn't mean they aren't hurt.

Words added: 479

"How much did they get?" "None. We got them before the final transfer was made. It's a good thing too, 'cause-" "No. I mean, how much money- if the plan had succeeded, how much-?" Bradley and Lambert share a look. They tell him. Jamie doesn't feel himself stand up. He must, because the next thing he knows he's looking down at them. He's not in his chair anymore. Through the layers of painkillers and muscle relaxants and the anti-nausea medication for the painkillers and muscle relaxants, his shoulders find a way to throb - angry when he moves, angry when he doesn't move, always the temperamental ache keeping a dull beat with the pounding in his head. DI Bradley raises a hand like she means to steady him, or grab him, and he can't- He can't- His skin's gone tingly. He's somewhere underwater, unable to hear anything despite the fact that he can feel his mouth moving, knows what words he's trying to get across: That's too much.

🔪Jamie Murders Zava

Actually the poor brainchild of @kvetchinglyneurotic, who floated it as a real idea and who definitely did not ask me to abscond with it and turn it into a pseudo-crack fic. (Terribly sorry that you keep getting tagged when someone asks about this one, friend.)

Words added: 99

His Uber driver was a bloke named Darren who couldn't tell Jamie from the Prince of Wales. The car smelled clean, and the radio volume was kept to a quiet lull. Jamie rolled down the window, enjoying the first crisp burst of the season's air against his flushed skin. His hands hurt, sore and red like he'd pushed himself too hard at the gym, despite the fact that these days, he was definitely used to lifting more than what Zava turned out to weigh. Jamie leaned his head against the window. From deep in his chest, a sigh of relief bubbled to the surface, fogging up the glass. He was free.

[evendumbo]

A response to this thread because comment word count is just...

The people have spoken. It wasn’t just Ted and Rebecca that crashed and burned, it was Ted Lasso itself. Before S3 ended, I decided they were doing something exciting and unique with the sitcom genre. But the show wasn’t as good as I thought it was, I was projecting based on my view that S1 was genuinely excellent and about half of the eps in S2 were very good. ("Rainbow" remains in my top 3.)

When I take off my rose-colored sunshades that I borrowed from Ted to look at the show more honestly, there were a few things I liked in S3 (Jamie’s near-perfectly written transformation, more Trent, Higgins’ and Barbara's one-liners, the cute triangle animation detour, and Juno’s performance despite so-so writing) but, dear lord, the story arc of S3 was just a poorly conceived HOT MESS OVERALL:

the total pointlessness and waste of precious story time that is Zava

the disrespectful destruction of my beloved Roy Kent

the awkward way it tried to make boat guy and Jack happen

the lack of follow through with Sassy

the flat take and pointlessness of Shandy, a rare woman of color on the show

the randomness of Michelle making a deeply unethical, emotionally fucked up choice of dating their couples therapist on the low

the iffiness of Nate’s arc (an understatement bc I heart Nick Mohammed)

Hannah’s usual stellar performance was also undermined by the writing bc it disappeared crucial context for her acting choices

even Jane Payne could have been more than a silly, emotionally punitive character given the bit of insight into her character at the end of “Beard After Hours”

The fact that they continued to both weirdly signal and then drop the ball on a Ted & Rebecca romance in S3 cut the deepest, but I see now that it was also just par for the course for the hotmessification of Ted Lasso that was S3. (Don’t @ me antis, the T/R platonic friendship writing also fell flat.)

Ted Lasso was a pop culture rocket that shot up super fast and probably way too high, then the pressure was on, then there seemed to be some painful personal fallout in the background along with the usual industry fuckery, and then the irritating season 4 will they/won’t they tension. It probably should have been predictable that all that weight would eventually break it apart.

So, I’m not sure if we wasted two years. But another way of thinking about it is that we can affirm our emotional investment in early Ted Lasso, while allowing the writers the grace to make the above regrettable errors that sadly pissed away the rich creative opportunities of S3. It was largely a bad season of television — good people who work hard can produce bad art, and then have bad faith, defensive reactions to fair questions.

Realizing this has allowed me to feel less resentful and more empathetic. With time and luck, this might eventually lead to a different emotional orientation to this weird little heartbreaker of a show.

[sapphickx]

Some critiques over ted lasso s3 ep9 from a queer perspective. (sorry for the long post, got a lot on my mind).

Overall I think today's ep was perfectly fine, but there were some things that kinda bugged me about Colin and Isaacs's story line. I think their last scene together was cute, but I don't love the part where Isaac said Colin lied to him and Colin said basically 'It's not you, it's me".

Like it was specifically Isaac who was shown to make slightly homophobic-esque comments earlier in the season, like when he said "That's kinda gay bruv" to another player's comment about Zava. And I feel like Colin could've pointed out that those kinds of comments, even if they're not intentionally anti-gay, can make someone hesitant to come out to that person.

I wish the show would've more explicitly shown subtle toxic masculinity and casual homophobia in Richmond. Like I love our soccer himbos, but I think it's a bit deceptive to view them as entirely wholesome, and just ignore their small toxic elements.

Homophobia (both in and out of sports) isn't just an asshole fan shouting the f-slur, it's also the small things said by even the most well-intentioned people. Bigotry is much more systematic and cultural than one loud bigot.

Like obviously Isaac is shown to be an ally, but I feel like (as a queer person) the episode focused a little too much on straight peoples' feelings and not the actual queer characters.

Again, it's not a black-and-white issue. I think some of Isaac's emotions were valid to explore, but I feel like the narrative was a little too forgiving to how he reacted.

It might just also be me, since i personally (again, as a queer person) hate the trope of "you didn't come out to me, and now I'm angry at you because you should've told me cus we're friends". I find it kinda insulting when straight people (fictional or irl), make a queer persons' coming out about their own insecurities/emotions. Queer people don't inherently owe straight people anything when it comes to them being open about their sexuality. It's their identity.

Really I don't think there was anything extremely harmful in the shows' approach to this queer story. But as a queer fan, I do feel a bit let down by how they handled it. Just like a lot of storylines in this season, it just feels a bit underbaked and sloppy.

Again, did not hate the episode in any way! I just think some of the elements missed the mark for me, that's all.

[tobebbanburg]

I loved the snippet from the fic where Jaime make Roy train Colin too! Especially the tags😭😭😭

Ah thank you!

I just think, given how one of Jamie's problems with Zava was that he wasn't a team player, and that being a cog in the Richmond machine is Colin's whole thing, Jamie should have been on Colin to get him to join his anti-Zava fan club (and also because I would have loved to see some middle-step between them going from prick and side-prick in S1 to supportive buddies by the end of S3)

[kutputli]

My Ted Lasso posts

Because none of my posts are showing up in the tags, I am going nuts trying to find the stuff I've written. So just until this season gets over, I'm going to try to update this list of my Ted Lasso posts - episode reactions and meta - so that I can find it.

Nathan Shelley's Final Moments

On Fandom recognising sexual abuse but not racial abuse

On white fans being happy about Nathan's ending

On Ted Lasso being voted as best dad

On the disability model of morality

Ted Lasso 3x11 Episode Reaction

Comparing the reception of Jade to Shandy and Simi

Forgiveness means abject humility

Moe is undemocratic, the show is racist

Poor Jamie Tartt

The racialised reactions to Nathan's arc

I predicted Lloyd and Ms Kake

Is Roy Kent Biracial or is the show following Eyebrowcasting?

Ted Lasso 3x10 Episode Reaction

Nicole Shelley Headcanons

On Isaac McAdoo and Colin's Gay Arc

Bumbercatch, Wealth and the show's failure at Class

The Nepotism of Keeley Hazell Being a Writer

Tag your Anti PoC posts

On Ted's Confidence and Selective Suppression of Feelings

The 3D Chess of Predicting how villianous all the non-white character are

PSA: CBT at the Workplace is Sexual Harassment

The Kind White Moderate Racism of Ted Lasso

Maria Shelley's origins and Lloyd Shelley's cartography (or lack thereof)

The Saviour and the Warrior - on Ted Lasso and Roy Kent

On the tone policing bias in tumblr engagement with Nathan posts

Ted Lasso S03E04 'Big Week' - Episode Reaction post

Shandy Fine and the treachery of White Acceptance

On fandom forgiving Nathan by villianising his father

Keeley Jones PR spin-off?

Let Nick Mohammed sing!

How racism informs white queer female critical takes on the show

On the absence of spectator racism within the show

On Dani Rojas (in relation to Jamie, Zava and Ekalavya)

Ted Lasso S03E03 - Episode Reaction post

Ted Lasso S03E02 - Episode Reaction post

On Trent Crimm owing an apology to Nathan

On Nathan being called a junkyard dog

On 'wonderkid' and 'nate the great'

Ted Lasso S03E01 - Episode Reaction post

Lloyd Shelley as an immigrant parent

[blessyouhawkeye]

zoreaux changing his name because zava told him to was an anti-quebecois hate crime. i hope they do it more.

[countessklair]

You are SO right about zava and i feel like everyone is missing the point of his character??? Its not about jamie needing to grapple with not being the best, it’s about jamie watching someone else come in and be as big of a prick as he was, if not more, and ted + the entire team allowing him to get away with it. Jamie and nate have been painted as foils of each other, and im sure at some point well get a scene where he confronts ted about exactly this….after all jamie still thinks ted chose to send him back to man city because he was bad for the team, and seeing someone else be brought onto the team despite being known for his bad attitude has got to sting.

Like ted is the protagonist. To an extent every other character’s arc needs to serve his. And if the point was just for zava to come in and force jamie to accept he’s not the best, i dont see how that could possibly serve ted in anyway, especially because in the process zava has completely stepped on ted’s efforts to create a team full of camaraderie and teamwork. Idk maybe im missing something but i just cannot see it any other way!

PERIOD!!! YOU’RE RIGHT AND YOU SHOULD SAY IT!!! Ted’s going through it right now dealing with Dr. Malpractice back in Kansas (and isn’t THAT a can of worms), but Ted’s both the main character AND the focus of this season, same way Rebecca was in season one and Nate was in season two. So Ted’s BOUND to do some growing and healing now that one fourth of the season is over, at the very least he might be able to ‘wake up’ and realize what’s actually going on with Zava, especially if Jamie comes and talks to him about it again.

and you’re SO RIGHT about Nate and Jamie being foils. they both struggle with not being the center of attention and with flashy change, but they dealt with it in very different ways. Jamie, unlike how Nate dealt with it last season, immediately brought his concerns to the coaches in a respectful and ELOQUENT way that focused on the team as a whole and not just Jamie, and he acknowledged that it was (a bit) hypocritical of him to be the one voicing these concerns BUT WHO WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN JAMIE??? and instead of pouting about Zava or pulling the petty ‘I’m hurt I can’t practice’ kind of stunt, he does his job and he celebrates with his team and he’s focusing on how to make himself better, not drag anyone down. because Jamie’s not the same guy he was in season one or even season two. he’s taking accountability, while Nate hasn’t (yet?? idk but I think we will get a redemption arc).

and like you said, it’s all gonna come down to Ted. because this is the Ted Lasso show, literally. it’s not the Zava show. the writers and everyone didn’t make the show so Ted could just sit back all season. at some point he’s going to take the reins back as coach, and tbh it might be both Jamie and Roy coming to him to do it. but it won’t be because Jamie’s throwing a tantrum or being jealous, it’ll be because Jamie’s been right all along

[directpilluk]

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[justenwrites]

Thoughts on Football Tactics and Characterization in Ted Lasso

So one thing I love in Ted Lasso are the book Easter eggs. Inverting the Pyramid is the most common book we see, from the pilot up through S3E02. It is a fantastic book if you are a specific type of nerd, someone who likes to see the thought behind how strategy develops with the history of a game. I also love tactics in sports, finding the philosophy side of it to be super interesting. So, I can’t help but notice how AFC Richmond has played.

In S3E01, Roy explains that Richmond play a 4-4-2 formation, which has been consistent through the series. 442 consists of 4 defenders, 4 midfielders, and 2 forwards. It is the Most English of Formations. It is about everyone knowing their role on the team, it’s about playing a traditional style of football that is physical, courageous, and masculine. Roy explains that all of the team has been playing this formation their entire lives. It’s as English as can be.

But it is also the anti-Lasso formation. It is strict and rigid, inflexible. It does not adapt well to unusual tactics, and can be exploited. It doesn’t allow people to roam from their role often.

So, how might we see how Richmond play as we go through Season 3? We have this juicy nugget of Roy explaining their tactic. So that’s gotta come up right? Well, Richmond has a problem. They’ve got too many forwards now. With Zava joining the team, there’s Dani, Jamie, and Zava all who line up front. Only 2 forwards in a 442, folks.

But maybe Zava *is* getting old. Maybe he’s lost a step. He’s still a maestro but he’s not going to be the lone striker who will be a top scorer in the Premier League(there’s a Norwegian at Man City who probably has that award on lock for the next decade).

Buuuut… there’s a hint in one of the trailers, maybe. In one of the shots, the whiteboard is showing a formation labeled Nate’s false nine. In it, the formation being shown is a 4-6-0.

Four defenders, six midfielders, and no forwards. What if Nate has the secret to…Lasso-ball? What if they take Nate’s tactic and make it the tactic of Lassoism? Formations with no strikers are about teamwork, trust, and sharing the ball. There’s no dedicated striker, so it it’s about creating the best chance for a *team*, not just the forwards.

My prediction is that through some coming together Zava reigns in his dickishness a little, and becomes a playmaker instead of a pure scorer, helping with Sam, Jamie, and Dani to create a free-flowing, fun attack that helps propel Richmond through the league. Ted may not have the football knowledge, but maybe Coach Beard and Roy can help Ted realize his philosophy can be made into a winning tactic on the pitch.

Honestly, I could be misreading the entire season(another book easter egg in S3E01 is a book about an American journalist’s account of a small Italian team with one magical season where they were relegated after getting promoted), but until next Wednesday, I’m living in my weird conspiracy theory crafting corner.

[bakerolivias-archived]

i'd love for someone to try to raise laurel lance back from the dead to get her to the ava/ance wedding and for her to be like "no thanks wake me up when zari and ava get married" and take a 24 hour nap