#anti-Edelgard

[butwhatifidothis]

Genuinely can't understand how people can legitimately say "trying to argue that Crests are powerful and useful and writing Crests as being powerful and useful proves Edelgard right about how people wrongfully fixate on them" when Edelgard herself says she thinks she can only use her signature heavy armor because of Crests (study requests), and when she herself uses a Relic that was made specifically to be compatible with her twin Crests to use in fighting. Nearly her entire visual language as a character relies on her using her Crests, so the people trying to argue this just kinda point out how hypocritical she is lmao

[childofaura]

Since I asked about your favourite 3H characters, who are your top 10 least favourite characters or characters that you absolutely hate?

Uhhh I’mma go ahead and tag this one out as discourse, because yes I do hate Edelgard. But at the same time I usually do my best to either not just spam Edelgard hate (besides my anti-Edelgard posts for FEH, which I actually feel is pretty valid because I��ve had so many people agree with me that Edelgard gets a stupid amount of favoritism in FEH; even people who LIKE Edelgard agree with me), and I do respect people’s opinions for liking Edelgard, even if I vehemently disagree with it.

So with that being said, I’ll list my least favorite/hated characters for 3H. Some I hate for character/story reasons, and at least one I hate for gameplay reasons (though I like him as a character). These will also be in no particular order but number one is definitely number one.

Edelgard. Won’t elaborate because I’m not here to start arguments.

Kronya. She killed Jeralt so she can eat shit >:(

Hubert. I get he’s filling the role of retainer, but man the shit he pulls and how he treats other people… he’s the exact opposite of Dedue.

Yuri. I admit to probably over-exaggerating how bad of a person Yuri is, but he still comes off as super annoying to me. He’s just not very personable or friendly, which isn’t a problem by itself but it’s more that you’re SUPPOSED to like him despite being all nonchalant all the time. And I really don’t.

Byleth. Yes, I don’t like the main character of Three Houses themselves; Shez was better executed as a character. Byleth is quite fully a Mary Sue/Gary Stu. Everyone’s infatuated with them, they’re practically undefeatable and don’t really have much to learn or grow from, they almost never make any kind of mistake, and they carry Sothis’s blood and crest; these aren’t necessarily an issue on their own, but altogether it makes for an incredibly boring character. And they’re so bland and expressionless.

Gilbert. I don’t hate him for his story, or his character. I think he’s great in those regards!… No, it’s because THIS MOTHERFUCKER is an IDIOT in Chapter 5. Runs right in range where the archers are located without moving into a safer position. There is no plausible way to keep this dipshit alive in Maddening Mode.

Sothis. I don’t HATE her, but I am definitely sick of her “incomplete” form. We should have had her regain her memories and become an adult again, that could have resolved SO many plot issues that were left open-ended, like with Rhea and maybe Nemesis and TWSitD. Maybe someday we’ll get Ascended Sothis in her original form from the mural.

Mathias. I ENJOY his story. I ENJOY the role he plays. Between the stalwart nobles and royalty that is Lambert, Rodrigue, and Gilbert, Mathias is the exact dark underside of the crest system that Dimitri believes is unjust. That being said, it’s still pretty fucked up how he treated both Sylvain and Miklan, and he’s decently responsible for how Miklan turned out (not to say that Miklan deserves no blame for his choices, he absolutely does. He willingly made his own choice of being a brigand and treating Sylvain like shit).

Dorothea. This one I’m mixed on because I don’t hate her or even strongly dislike her. But if there’s one thing I really don’t like about her, it’s how she gets really creepily seductive, especially in the Byleth supports. And in Ingrid’s support she straight up tells Ingrid she’s gonna physically sexually harass her (and she’s already verbally harassed her). Which is kind of stupid considering how gross she feels when people only view her for her physical beauty. So yeah, to some degree I dislike her enough to put her on this list.

Monica, actual Monica from Three Hopes. I’ve already mentioned how her character is poorly written into being yet ANOTHER character who ass-pats Edelgard for no plausible reason in the other routes. If Dimitri or Claude are the ones who save her in their respective routes, why is she so strictly loyal to Edelgard? Especially considering how Edelgard was fully aware of the Kronya plan in Three Houses which means she essentially let her die for her cause. I’ll never understand it.

That’s pretty much my whole list, this time I had to include Three Hopes because I actually wouldn’t have had ten characters otherwise for the list. And it goes without saying but this is obviously my subjective opinion and I respect that these are people’s favorite characters.

[anamelessknight]

Draglede is the true villain.

[butwhatifidothis]

after having to kill civilians

days after Byleth had their father murdered in front of them and die in their arms

in her A support with Byleth, the penultimate support that could potentially be the closest she gets to them on a personal level

talking about other countries

talking about her war

look at all that empathy bein' shown here, clearly that's why she started her war

I saw someone say that Edelgard started a war out of empathy

aint no way

[tea-cat-arts]

[apropername]

[willothewispwisteriadawn]

It’s been literally so long since Fire Emblem 3H came out. At this point, I’m a hair away from assuming people who say Rhea was running around murdering people of other religions are being intellectually dishonest. We have multiple support conversations just saying entirely uncryptically that she doesn’t do this, and we never even see strong evidence that she does? She executed people for active blasphemy and attempted assassination, it’s just that the context made her ruthless (the people executed were clearly pawns, scared, and suffering too) which is why the scenes depict her as cutthroat. But to say she’s killed people because they just casually didn’t think Sothis was real is more than just simplifying— it’s just incorrect. It’s because these people ultimately threatened the juggling act Rhea is doing to prevent another grand scale war and triggered her because they messed with things she considers sacred, final reminders of her mother.

It’s just so weird because I used to post like screenshots and STATEMENTS FROM THE WRITERS that confirm all this in no uncertain language and people would be like doing extreme mental gymnastics to explain why “Rhea doesn’t care that I don’t believe in Sothis” and “Rhea did what she did to prevent war” are not clear statements. I mean, I am so chill with having different takes on characters from people or viewing characters as more or less sympathetic. That involves personal code and ethics. But with 3H, I hit this wall where I’m like.. when do we admit that, for you, this conversation is not about actually understanding the character?

I swear, some people need to go take a break, grab a latte, and privately come to terms with their irl beefs with the Catholic Church before engaging with this game. Because, my friends, I do not have the ability or strength to shoulder/accommodate your external opinions on a real religion on top of my analyses of the motives of the green haired dragonfolk.

[yunamedkostobot]

The reason i do not trust a lot of so-called «complexity lovers»

Akito Sohma stans: I love Akito because of her complexity! She is so sympathetic character!

Also Akito stans: but it would have been way better, if Takaya cut out her beating Kisa and Momiji, pushing Rin out of the window and droving Kana to clinical depression

Jiang Cheng stans: I adore Chengcheng, he is so complex!

Also Jiang Cheng stans: Of course, he was justified to demand of his adoptive brother to give up the innocent boy, elders and the persons to whom, you know, is obliged to help! Of course, he did not tarnished Wei Wuxian's reputation more by saying that he declared himself the enemy of the world! Of course, he was right to disrespect his sister's sacrifice the worst way possible! And he was right in killing innocent people during the timeskip and letting the literal maniac go!

Reva Sevander stans: Reva, my baby! 😍😍 You would be a true Jedi of Old Order!🤧🤧 And you did not forgive Anakin(who literally nearly ceased to exist as person, as RoTS novel clearly indicates)! Such a complexity!

Also Reva stans: *ignoring her joining group of fascist enforcers, for which is pretty normal to kill teenagers, who are suspected to be Jedi(as Ezra and Cal situations show), and abduct children from their parents(may be killing said parents), hunting down underground railroad-like organisations, kidnapping 10 years old Leia and attempting to kill Luke*

Severus Snape stans: Of course, he was wonderful man, and so complex! He would definitely be a good father figure to Harry!

Also Snape stans: Of course, he was not an awful teacher to his students and never bullied Neville out of pure spite and said awful things about Hermione when her teeth end up growing fast and causing her a lot of pain! And also, he was forced to join Neo-nazi group at school, pull a hurtful pranks over Muggleborn and call the love of his life a racial slur!

Edelgard von Hresvelg stans: Such a complex character! A true embodiment of Progress! Go, Empress! Edeleth canon!

Also Edelstans: So, we are gonna project Dimitri's good traits on her, make Claude a villain(with the huge OOC) to make her look good, tell ten thousands of lies about Rhea and Nabateans(including genocide apologia) and of course, ingore all of her war crimes and imperialism(with her erasing the culture of far more progressive Leicester and Faerghus)!

Me: So... Are you truly here for complexity?

[emblemoftheattorney]

Edelstans: “Edelgard detractors completely miss the nuances and morally grayness of her character! Fandoms can’t handle complex characters!”

Me: Oh I agree…

Same Edelstans: *Remove all the nuances and moral grayness from Rhea and make posts about how she shouldn’t have been an ally on any routes or even that there should’ve been a golden ending where all houses team up to defeat her* Me: You know what, forget it, I can’t sympathize with you anymore

[emblemxeno]

Far too many people in the Fire Emblem community think well written Gray Morality is "How many terrible atrocities was this character responsible for and/or complicit in vs. how nice they sound when they speak/how good their ideals are."

I've seen characters with traits of imperialists, colonialists, nationalists, and racist terrorists ALL be excused by people who can't handle their favorites being RIGHTFULLY and ACCURATELY derided for the awful things they do in canon. Part of this is the fault of the series' writing being historically bound and limited by scenarios where awful characters readily forgiven by the protagonists or justified by the script is commonplace, but ever since 3H released with its shallow "oh but don't you see??? everyone has their own perspective and ideals, so no one's truly wrong!!!" thematic foundation, fans have felt emboldened to prop up and excuse characters for their wrongdoings because they felt "sad and lonely" or were vaguely pushing for change whilst committing crimes.

Relatedly, I never liked how easily the Fire Emblem fandom took to using the concept of war crimes in such a brazen and ignorant manner half a decade ago for their discourse. From now on I might just start outright blocking people who do it, because it's clear not only do the people who do this shit don't have any idea what they're fucking talking about, but they toss around words and concepts currently being tested by the REAL WORLD at large as we are still bearing witness to multiple oppressed peoples accross the globe being subjected to indiscriminate murder, assault, and persecution. I find that utterly vile.

TL;DR: "Why is there so much discourse in FE, they're ALL war criminals? 🤪🤪🤪" How about you shut your yap and never use serious topics for your internet discourse again, moron?

[ninadove]

“It must be exhausting always rooting for the anti-hero”

Actually Taylor you have no idea what you’re talking about I’m doing amazing thank you very much

[butwhatifidothis]

Kicking the door in to add to the entire 'Edelgard so empathetic uwu' nonsense - in japanese when Dimitri confronts Edelgard about the Tragedy of Duscur, she says 私の知ったことではない, which is basically her going 'I don't care/its none of my concern'. Hell, jishos example sentence containing the term Edelgard uses (君が失敗しても私の知ったことではない) translates to 'you can fail for all I care'. Its a cold and dismissive thing to say, especially in response to, oh, you know, the death of her mother and the genocide of a people done for her personal benefit. Number one empath right here guys.

I remember seeing a post about that and 😭😭😭 she really do just be like that omg

[geddy-leesbian]

I will not publicly go on a rant about a FE3H character that every side of the fandom would crucify me for I will not go on a rant about a FE3H character that every side of the fandom would me for I will not

[dmasterxd]

What Edelgard says to Byleth after Jeralt’s death really shouldn’t be defended as often as it is. Because for one, no it’s not genuine and “consoling them in her own way.” All she’s doing is telling them to get over it. And making it about her and her goals. “All I can do is reach out my hand for you when the time comes for me to move forward.”

Like the mental gymnastics you would have to go through to describe all the things she said as actually being kind and genuine is ridiculous.

Not to mention, she goes to you to say this. At least with Hubert, he’s all the way on the other side of the Monastery, minding his own business. So you have to come up to him to get his “Never been one for condolences” line. But Edelgard seeks you out just to say all these insensitive things.

And two, she’s actively lying to Byleth. Since she talks about how no new information has been found out about their enemies. And then tells them that she’ll let them know the moment she finds out anything new. While being fully aware that she is the one privy to the most information about the ones responsible for the death of Jeralt. So on top of already being insensitive and selfish, she’s also being disingenuous.

[themattress]

Based on this post from @ultraericthered.

Alternative second pic:

[tngmpersonal]

And the follow up question is who would win in a war between the Death Eaters and Those Who Slither in the Dark.