#anti the originals

[bonkai4ever94]

The originals suffers all the same problems as vampire diaries the only difference is it pretends to be more mature

[klonnieshippersclub]

Bonnie, The Bennett’s, Black Witches and The Magical Negro Trope & Mammy Trope - TVD META

Bonnie and the Bennett’s have very rich lore. It’s not glorified by the fandom unless it’s by Bonnie fans themselves. That’s the way it’s always been, no one paying any mind or deeper thought to Bonnie/and the Bennett’s outside of her fans. This isn't a new thing but I want to highlight this once again because I don’t think fans understand there is more than one negative trope rooted in Bonnie, the Bennett’s and black witches only.

Before we get into anything heavy let’s have some key-terms here: Let’s define a magical negro trope: where a black character appears in a plot solely to help a white character and then vanishes. Now what a mammy is: a black woman engaged to take care of white children or as a servant to a white family.

Everything in the series can be tied back to a Bennett witch. Let’s list a few things the immortality spell, immortals, the other side, the cure, supernatural hunters, creating rings to preserve life, the Gilbert device but only a Bennett witch can enchant it, prison worlds, the traveler's curse, vampires, hybrids etc…You name it without the Bennett’s creation there would be nothing. You would think because of this the Bennett’s would be respected in the narrative and by fans. Wrong. Some of these women aren’t even given actual names. Everyone can have a Bennett witch at their disposal but they won’t be respected either. Bennett blood is essential to certain spells. A loophole.

Let’s talk about Ayana. The Mikaelson’s were only able to become vampires because Esther stole Ayana’s spell. It is forgotten that Esther/Mikael begged Ayana to perform the spell first. The Mikaelson’s as humans trusted Ayana. Rebekah was in shock that a necklace from Ayana burned her. While Ayana remained unnamed this time while the story was told. Rebekah was talking about Ayana. Ayana was known as a healer and given Esther’s praises they were close. The series doesn’t show us why Ayana should value the Mikaelson’s but we do understand why Esther, her husband and children valued her. That infamous necklace that Rebekah loved belonged to Ayana. We don’t know about Ayana’s life outside of being a healer. We don’t know her marital status, how many children she could’ve possibly had and anything tied to her after the plot has used her up. One would think with how close Ayana was to the Mikaelson’s, they’d have some respect or acknowledge Bonnie but that never happens.

We see this in how Emily was enslaved to Katherine. Julie may have labeled Emily a handmaiden but we knew what that meant. Emily only had one request from Damon that he watch and protect the Bennett line which he never did. The black witches never ask much of anyone in the plot or ever given the chance too. Yet when a request is made no one ever meets said request for them. This form of slavery repeats again through Lucy. She claimed Katherine saved her life therefore she is indebted to her for however long she needs. Sheila has her hand in aiding the Gemini Coven, Beatrice helped with the Sirens.

There are other witches that are black who serve a purpose to aid in many and leave such as: Gloria, The Martin’s, Bree, Aja and her coven just to name a few. Friends of the main characters or enemies but quickly there and dropped. Originally due to all witches appearing Black fans believed they were all Bennett’s. Julie has no answer for why all witches that is until they weren’t. Remember witches were servants of nature. The Mikaelson’s popularity, Gemini Coven and other witches. Fills the space that Black witches were once in. Notice a pattern here?

Qetsiyah’s plot line should’ve centered on how she created immortality, the cure, and the other side. But Qetsiyah’s existence revolves around demanding and enforcing continuous revenge on Silas and Amara. Tying her into another repeated love triangle in the franchise. May I add that she and Bonnie are the only women to have been betrayed by a partner and criticized for their reactions. There’s nothing wrong when a man wants and craves power but Qetsiyah is considered the worst of them all. Here’s an amazing video that details Qetsiyah’s writing too. Please review.

Lastly, The Bonnie of it all:

Bonnie’s a loyal, powerful and brave woman. She doesn’t let anything happen to her friends if she can stop it. She cares for them. That kind of loyalty can be beautiful but equally harmful when Bonnie has no regard to her own feelings. She continues to give for everyone and her friends rarely return the favor. Bonnie’s never thanked or rewarded for being there. The friendships stop being equal very early. Her traumas aren’t valuable in the plot. We don’t know what Bonnie’s home looked like. If Bonnie does grieve it isn’t shown on screen. Her family life is limited, while Liz and Alaric aren’t main characters. They have their own plotlines. It is revealed that Abby’s reasonings for abandoning her is for Elena’s benefit. Abby is killed in a coin toss and transitioned. Caroline gets to have a good friend moment while Bonnie isn’t have any feelings towards her mother for abandoning her after. Rudy isn’t seen in the plot longterm and when he appears in season 5 he’s killed in front of Bonnie. She grieves this in silence while grieving her own death that she didn’t make aware to her friends to avoid inconveniencing them. The plot makes it clear if the white counterparts aren’t happy then Bonnie will never either. Elena, Caroline got happier endings while Bonnie’s job was completed. Bonnie never once got to call out how her friends can disregard her, she feeds into them and they grow while sucking the life out of her. In the end, Bonnie went back to Africa. Never any reference to her life from there.

Another thing Bonnie isn’t shown to be feminine. Her best friends go on dates, go to dances, dress up and receive compliments. Caroline or Elena has ever given Bonnie a compliment that aided in her beauty. We don’t know Bonnie’s ambitions or fears. But you are aware when Bonnie wants to save her best friend. Thoughts on Bonnie’s relationships and ships is for the next meta though.

White witches did follow the servitude of others. They were still given the privilege of agency that black witches were never going to have. Witches like Dahlia existed, and although she had one goal she had more personality than others.

When you have people like the TVD writers that continue to push harmful stereotypes there’s always going to fans who listen and continue to perpetuate those stereotypes. The writers had no value for Black women nor do the fans. They don’t care about how black women or people of color are treated in fiction or the media simply because their favorites get to reap all the benefits. That tweet is just one tip of the iceberg, there’s plenty more from Bonnie’s relationships, and storylines.

[pinkhysteria]

the writers fumbled bad w elijah's character like what have u done to him

when daniel said elijah has NEVER really given a fuck about any of his siblings other than klaus and they could all die/leave and he wouldn't give a fuck and he's always felt that was his character. like well... no. absolutely not. 😭 but that's your brain on The Originals (2013)!

[melmedardasworld]

What was Inadu's purpose? She was this big hope meant to bring her parent's tribes together. They did all sort of rituals and blessings, it seems, and that resulted in her coming as some pure evil devil child out of the womb.

Why?

Does having or getting power turn witches crazy or something?

Why is that the default the writers always go to? Is it the power rush or their 'dark' desires get heightened or something similar to vampires. There is no explanation at all.

Qetsiyah, Dahlia, Eva, Bonnie... they were all wronged. I think the only one witch that didn't really have that until Elijah killed her was Celeste. But also, punishing them cough... cough... Bonnie... for choosing what they want to do and showing that agency. Even with Davina, her ancestors punished her cause she wanted to reach her goals, and she had to beg them to help her because... what? They could demand that from her? Those dead witches were bitter ass hell, I'll tell you that.

Back to Inadu, it's also unsettling how they white washed the werewolves in modern times. They were Native Americans, and the only thing we get for that is a NA girl as this evil witch who just destroys stuff and wants to be revered cause... why? It was never explained. Ansel, Klaus, etc. Shouldn’t they have been NA? Like, realistically? I understand how ancestry works, so I’m not discussing that, but to see none at all?

It reminds me of people claiming NA ancestry when they aren't for... reasons... because then Inadu's (yt) descendant(s) were the only ones to stop and kill her because Inadu was after Hope and wanted to be this revered being that was horny on death and destruction. It was one of the worst storylines, and it got dragged out until S5. The show should've stopped at S3 and be done with it because things just went downhill and the writers were clearly ot of ideas and just fucked up the established lore they set up in TVD (it started around when Silas cam back alive, which I have my qualms about).

[zaleriz]

I think that The Originals should have focused on the Mikaelson themselves. The Catalyst for the Mikaelson return to New Orleans could be rumors that Henrik came back to life. Considering that he was the catalyst for their vampire transformation, the fact he is alive would have shaken their established family dynamics. Marcel could have been the first one to find him and now he is on Marcel's side during the New Orleans battle? Henrik could be a witch that practices a special kind of magic or some kind of grim reaper? What if he has a strong moral compass as opposed to the rest of his family and is disgusted by their actions? 

What if Henrik didn’t actually die? What if he got dragged away from the wolves and Klaus assumed he died? The settlement would have gone to look for him and assume he got eaten after they didn’t find a body. What if that near death experience made him study necromancy? What if he uses it to help the dead fulfill their regrets?

Wait here while write an fic about it.

[cancerian-woman]

The same people who claim they can never like Bonnie due to how she was written loves:

Freya-the-family-sacrificial-witch

Davina-self-proclaimed-Mikaelson-hater but married into the family—girl who was born with blood on her hands from her coven

Lizzie Saltzman-if-Caroline-was-mixed into Bonnie

Josie Saltzman-the selfless witch

Hope the all mighty tribrid whose a martyr and lost + abandoned by her family…

The Gemini coven-

And all of these are variants of Bonnie…

[vicontheinternet]

“You’re not a mikealson get over it” kol says as he stands next to a woman who is only treated as one because she gave birth his niece and fuck two of his brothers while the person he says this to was adopted by his brother and sleeps with his sister…. You see the hypocrisy

[rosecathedral95]

me every time anyone mentions TO

[bennettmaximoff]

I always thought it was interesting at how Kol was allowed to express how he felt that his family never cared about him and how he was excluded from them, and that was the reason he acted against them. Yet, when Marcel expressed those same feelings of how they loved saying that he was family, but treated him terribly and never truly accepted him as one of their own, he constantly got his family membership revoked and was seen as nothing but an enemy to the family and a villain to the fans. Of course the writers were more than happy to play into the narrative of Marcel having no right to seek revenge and react to the trauma that the Mikaelsons caused him because how dare someone, black at that, be on the same level as the originals and return their energy.

[unsiredtribrid]

The way that like. 🧍 Roman told Hope he was desiccated in a cave for 50 years and that happened after Klaus killed Augustus, which was in 1933… Do the math, that means Greta found him and took him out in 1983. Season 5 of The Originals is set in 2026, which is 43 years later. While Roman is physically 16/17 (let’s say 17 because he does Not look either of these ages but god especially not 16), he’s actively lived for over 40 years. Hope is 15. The show has been beating us over the head with Davina being a child even though she also romanced Kol and, like, at some point was definitely not even a minor anymore…

Which, yes, in real life you should see teenagers that way for sure. But the double standard in this show for which teenage girl at which moment is deemed a child and which isn’t is confusing at best and odd/patronizing at worst. Hope, however, is 15 right now and being portayed by an actress that is a minor so she’s cerifiably a baby.

So why the fuck is Caroline referring to Roman as just a kid when this vampire is older than she is? They’re trying to write his actions off as being just a kid and look. I get that we could say he was groomed into the fascism because his adopted mother brainwashed him but this, for all intents and purposes, is a grown vampire who should be treated the same as Stefan Salvatore or Rebekah, who was turned around the 17 age range.

There’s a lot of flexibility in these stories about vampire ages and you have to suspend your disbelief and just acknowledge that at some point the teens consider themselves adults but then at other times they don’t. Sort of a liminality, I guess.

But all of the teenagers in TVD were portrayed by adults and sort of acted/existed in that kind of way that ‘fake teens’ did in CW shows where somewhere in your mind you know that this is just not really a teenager and we’re playing pretend.

But with Hope in Season 5 of the Originals, Danielle is still a minor and everything about her plot is about her childhood right now and the messy ways it’s transitioning into a rocky teenhood.

So it’s impossible for me to suspend my disbelief for her to be kissing Roman when he is, in LIVED YEARS, older than Caroline Forbes, who turned at 17 years old just like Roman. 😭 Why are we babying him, but then Caroline is an adult who apparently let Roman into her school?

There needs to be a cap on like how old the vampires are (in lived years) to qualify for admission into the Salvatore School. In my opinion they should only allow vampires who are still operating like teenagers and within that lived experience range.

Not to mention Roman’s actor was 29 when he played Roman… kissing 17 year old Danielle, playing 15 year old Hope. Goodnight that is so weird

[bonkai4ever94]

I like Caroline in small doses because that's what her character could offer she was good in her own small plots not taking over everyone else's

And that's what ruined her character for me was the shoehorning her into every bonnie plot over bonnie over and over again the mikaelson history with bennett witches never got enough development nor bonnie screen time with them plec and the writers didn't even like klaroline but loved to use them for fan service then didn't even follow through in the end

Then the Gemini coven Caroline and alaric both completely took over that arc with baby plot nonsense and bonnie got nothing in the end she couldn't even keep her revenge against kai nor the prison worlds to herself she doesn't even get peace in the end with her gran I'm soo disgusted by it all some of the Fandom also disgusts me with their anti bonnie/anti bonnie fans talking about how tvdu treats their black characters

[imhereforthetryus]

It would have made a much better story if hope was a weak witch if they had to make her a tribrid (or idk actually give hope a witch mother cause atp the only witches in her family that are contributing to her genes are her grandmother, and great (supposed to be native) ancestors it makes no sense how even if she has magic she’s powerful 😒)

atleast with some witches we know some are powerful enough to do anything and take down any enemy but their still mortal and slow (can be taken down if a werewolf or vamp speeds and sneak attacks them before they can react) and vice versa with werewolves and vampires their physically powerful but can be taken down by magic.

Her being a weak witch means we can see her struggle, threats/enemies actually mean something because then there no question of why cant hope do a [magical solution] to save the day. It would mean we get to see hope actually learn and grow in her identity. It means she has a flaw

But ig julie didn’t want her own reseeme to even have a hint of weakness, i mean seriously in addition to hope being powerful she’s also super intelligent. She’s has both brains and brawn all im asking is for a physical flaw not a personality or emotional one.

[xxgothchatonxx]

I've given TVDU a lot of crap for not-so-subtly copying previous vampire media and passing it off as its own (i.e. "r-rated Twilight knockoff", "Buffy wannabe", and of course "wish.com Anne Rice but with only the racist writing and excessive sexual assault stories") but one I haven't really mentioned is "the 1000 year old Viking vampire whose family was attacked by wolves when he was human" ...for a character known as an ORIGINAL 😂

Oh, Eric would kick Klaus' ass. There is no "ifs" or "buts" about that.

[melmedardasworld]

Marcel ate the Mikaelsons when he became the beast, lmaoo. I always laugh at the hardcore fans who get so mad that when he became the beast and was canonically stronger than them all. They truly showed their disdain for Marcel.

Also, Marcel Gerard is stronger than the Mikaelsons, yes even Klaus. Why are there debates of them saying he wasn't but Lucien was? (i know it's cause he ⚫️.) To say it was because of age that Marcel should've been weaker is bs. That was all rendered muut once he took the serum when Vincent offered it to him. We literally see him beating Kol and Elijah like it's nothing.

Also, there is a misconception that the white Oak is infused in the Beast's bite. It wasn't. It was just that the wolf venom Lucien added was from all the 7 werewolf bloodlines (I believe it was 7) was too potent and could even kill an Original. The white Oak was to make him immortal like them, and all the white Oak was gone in the show.

Also, we know there are more ways to kill an Original aside from the white Oak wood. The Original vampires were made from magic, and if there is even stronger magic present than their spell, they can be killed, so it is what it is. The venom being one more thing that can end them didn't surprise me. It likely wouldn't have ended Klaus because he's a werewolf, but the others were done for.

Anyway, Marcel taking the venom was perfect, and I'm happy for my man.

[cancerian-woman]

honestly if it were up to me and i had to do the baby plotline, id give Rebekah the baby after she takes the cure or smt. The whole family gets their shit together bc their baby sister is pregnant and that kid deserves the best version of them. Klaus gets jealous pranaoid etc etc bc he's too far gone to be redeemed. The other siblings realise they had the right idea in tvds3 and kill the man that has tormented and abused them for a millenia. Rebekah has a lil witchy baby. The end.

Now see this could’ve been fun. Rebekah wanted a family and children. Rebekah being a mother and the family having to work to be better people would be promising. But, also instead of chasing redemption there could be lines of acceptance and accountability. If we’re honest after a thousand years can the family truly be redeemed? No. I would’ve loved to see all the Mikaelson’s break apart from each other because they were all extremely co-dependent on one another even with Klaus’ abuse. I remember I used to think Rebekah was supposed to be the female lead of TO…then found out it was Hayley/PT whose performances weren’t strong enough compared to her co-stars. It’s interesting how Rebekah’s wants for a family and partner is eventually what Freya gets. Sure, Marbekah is married but if you think too long about them you’ll realize how they just don’t work.

If Rebekah wasn’t the one pregnant. I said this before but Hope’s mother should’ve been Bonnie. The writers wanted to introduce the tribrid into tvdu and because their so obnoxious racist they managed to give the tribrid, 3 species in one mind you a werewolf mother when she already had a werewolf-vampire father. It also would’ve been easier to show growth with. We knew nothing of Hayley, and they continued to rewrite to uplift her in the plot. We’ve seen how not having family hurt Bonnie, we’ve seen her be ruthless when it comes to defending people she loves also Bonnie’s bloodline has very rich history. The Mikaelson/Bennett history overlapping. Bonnie wouldn’t allow her child to be raised without innocence and certainly would’ve stopped the narrative that one person can heal a family. Instead we got “first-generation born Mikaelson witches” which the writers pulled out their ass. No werewolf arc for Klaus which is ironic given the hybrid plotline was a main focus of tvd. The writers always allowed their hatred to kill potential.

[vicontheinternet]

Elijah still give me the ick from when he kept call marcel boy and refused to use his name. What is this the 1960’s.