#anti the originals

[azurecanary]

Another thing I’ll NEVER forgive TO and Legacies for is erasing the love Cami had for Hope.

Cami was a human who was willing to protect Hope as a baby.

It was for Cami who Hope used magic the first time to protect.

It was Cami who left Hope a collection of magical objects so she would have a connection to her heritage.

It was for Hope that Cami was willing to endure compulsion again to protect.

Cami O’Connell loved Hope Mikaelson like a daughter and Hope will never know.

[burningdreambanana]

A hot take that I have is that TVD Elijah was a thousand times better than TO Elijah

[ambroselaveau90]

Unpopular Opinion

Hope shouldn't have existed because even though Klaus became a hybrid,he died before he triggered his curse,and so he was dead for 1000 years! His sperm was dead!

Also can we also say,Hope was just Rennesme Cullen in the TVD Universe!

[cancerian-woman]

yes the mikaelsons running in and taking things over is a racist tidbit idc

but you know what would have made it a bit more palatable? hayley being native, played by an actual native or brown woman OR bonnie being hope’s mother so we get a bi/multiracial hope and overall less white mikaelson family

I can’t accept the whiteness lmaooo accepting that a white outsider from a family of white abominations would unite the factions? Please.

also ansel, klaus’ dad was supposed to be native right?

these writers didnt care at all. no research into the rich setting they chose. they just wanted the optics of a cool setting

You’re absolutely correct. They couldn’t be bothered to find native actors until it was time for one to play a villain. I hate everything about the hallow and its origins. They describe her as power hungry and crazy everything about her reads: “Angry native woman wants to kill innocent white girl and others…” is just so racist and disrespectful.

If Hope was biracial, with a WOC mother or even Bonnie in the position the fans would’ve been ruthless and extra racist as hell. Though it would’ve helped the diversity in the show and characters if the writers really wanted to show NOLA properly. When I used other platforms and here I’d always get met some type of backlash for mentioning Klaus liking witches and his that easily could’ve led to Bonnie.. There’s only one character Greta was physically similar too and that’s Bonnie.

Vincent was honestly the best leader of NOLA. He was over the petty fights between the Mikaelson’s/Marcel and just wanted the best for the people there no matter what they were and that’s so important. Hayley’s want to have Hope unite the factors is an unfair burden when it isn’t something Hope spoke on.

I think in some way if Marcel was written better, I’d think he was supposed to be like Louis from ITWV specifically Jacob Anderson’s portrayal.

Ansel is such a mystery and throwaway character. We spent so much time with the hybrids and Klaus’ needs to not feel so alone but have someone like him to have nothing done with his wolf side. How did they give Klaus a cousin in Cary but never do anything—

Which is why Hope should’ve had a witch mother to begin with. Hope couldn’t even get a pact mark from Klaus? All he got was watching her turn. Nothing but daddy issues huh!

[xxgothchatonxx]

I’m really late on this but:

“I think a part of me has always known that you weren’t the villain of my story <3 <3 <3″

...I have no words- actually, I do - WAS IT RAINING, CAROLINE?!

[pinkhysteria]

the writers fumbled bad w elijah's character like what have u done to him

when daniel said elijah has NEVER really given a fuck about any of his siblings other than klaus and they could all die/leave and he wouldn't give a fuck and he's always felt that was his character. like well... no. absolutely not. 😭 but that's your brain on The Originals (2013)!

[bonkai4ever94]

The originals suffers all the same problems as vampire diaries the only difference is it pretends to be more mature

[thehollowprince]

I love Legacies, but to be honest, Hope is so annoying but most of all when it comes to her family. Her family caused untold mayhem for centuries and Klaus was the worst. Her grandfather burnt towns and cities down, and worst of all her grandmother unleashed a curse that would never stop. Hope's selfness led to Hayley's,Poppy's, and Henry's death.

Her family has caused death and destruction wherever they went. Klaus definitely deserves the title of the great evil and she should stop acting her family especially Klaus never did anything to deserve the ire of everyone hell, even dead witches hated him!

I still haven't seen any of Legacies and I don't plan on it. There was a moment there during quarantine where I considered it, but I stopped myself. And there are a number of reasons I haven't watched. The first obviously being that I never finished The Originals and the second being the character of Hope herself.

I never liked Hope, even long before she was born, I never liked her. Way back when the backdoor pilot aired during season four of The Vampire Diaries, I was just happy to finally have the Mikaelson Family gone from Mystic Falls so we could get back to the Mystic Falls Gang. That being said, when I watched it and they revealed that Hayley was pregnant with Klaus' child, I remember very vividly shouting at the screen.

Really? We were going the Twilight route with a magical, miracle baby?

But, aside from the Mikaelson Melodrama, I was intrigued by the other aspects of the show. The war between the witches and the vampires piqued my interest, especially with Jane-Anne's use of ancestral magic, which was very clearly influenced by Louisiana Voodoo. Also, Marcel was really hot, and I'm not above admitting that I'm shallow.

Sadly, the aspects of the show that I liked dwindled fast. The magic was now just the same as TVD but with a blurry special effect. Marcel was usurped so that Klaus could reclaim the throne that he abandoned and they ruined everything I liked about characters like Elijah and Rebekah. Also, the creepy, pseudo-incestual relationship between Marcel and Rebekah 🤢. When they finally got to the birth of the baby (longest pregnancy ever) and they named her Hope, I actually booed.

What is it with these shows and movies always naming their daughters Hope? Can people really not think of any other name than the one that puts pressure on a child's shoulders to make the adults' lives better?

But I stuck around, because as much as I disliked the Mikaelsons, I liked the other aspects of the show. The supernatural gang war between the different covens and packs and factions was interesting, and almost enough to ignore the racism and the misogyny and how the writing treated New Orleans and how they completely rewrote the Mikaelsons' backstories. But the longer I stuck around the worse it got. Suddenly Hope was the most powerful witch to ever witch even though she was just an infant. And now she's a tribrid mix of werewolf, witch and vampire and blah blah blah. By the time they introduced her as a toddler, I was just waiting for the inevitable "my daddy was nice" bullshit, indicating that Hayley told her kid how Klaus was just misunderstood or whatever fantasy lived in Plec's head to justify her fixation on such abusive characters.

There's also the fact that they really double-down on the "family only means blood related" thing, which infuriated me to no end.

Halfway through season four I rage quit and so thankfully I was gone before teenage Hope was introduced. I couldn't stand to watch as the narrative went out of its way to forgive and erase the horrible deeds the Mikaelson Family, Klaus in particular, committed. For what reason, I don't know, but I couldn't sit through it. I was sicked by TVD using Bonnie and Caroline and Matt to forgive Damon in the final season of that shit show.

The only way I'd ever watch Legacies is if I knew they actually acknowledged Klaus and Damon and Elijah as the horrible people they were, and that's something Plec is never going to do.

There's also the whole format of now there are phoenixes and dragons and trolls? Really?

The sad thing is, they could have done so much just by exploring the wider world of the supernatural as opposed to following a few families between a small town in Virginia and the Crescent City. Show me what the vampires of New York City are like. Are the witches in Sedona New Age hippies? South America, Africa, Asia... so many places to explore and yet nothing!

[melmedardasworld]

What was Inadu's purpose? She was this big hope meant to bring her parent's tribes together. They did all sort of rituals and blessings, it seems, and that resulted in her coming as some pure evil devil child out of the womb.

Why?

Does having or getting power turn witches crazy or something?

Why is that the default the writers always go to? Is it the power rush or their 'dark' desires get heightened or something similar to vampires. There is no explanation at all.

Qetsiyah, Dahlia, Eva, Bonnie... they were all wronged. I think the only one witch that didn't really have that until Elijah killed her was Celeste. But also, punishing them cough... cough... Bonnie... for choosing what they want to do and showing that agency. Even with Davina, her ancestors punished her cause she wanted to reach her goals, and she had to beg them to help her because... what? They could demand that from her? Those dead witches were bitter ass hell, I'll tell you that.

Back to Inadu, it's also unsettling how they white washed the werewolves in modern times. They were Native Americans, and the only thing we get for that is a NA girl as this evil witch who just destroys stuff and wants to be revered cause... why? It was never explained. Ansel, Klaus, etc. Shouldn’t they have been NA? Like, realistically? I understand how ancestry works, so I’m not discussing that, but to see none at all?

It reminds me of people claiming NA ancestry when they aren't for... reasons... because then Inadu's (yt) descendant(s) were the only ones to stop and kill her because Inadu was after Hope and wanted to be this revered being that was horny on death and destruction. It was one of the worst storylines, and it got dragged out until S5. The show should've stopped at S3 and be done with it because things just went downhill and the writers were clearly ot of ideas and just fucked up the established lore they set up in TVD (it started around when Silas cam back alive, which I have my qualms about).

[burningdreambanana]

Another hot take about the TVDU universe : Finn was the Mikaelson sibling that interested me the most, his reluctance to be a vampire and willingness to end the vampire line to stop this "evil" (because yes, no matter what the show says at time, from a purely humane point of view, vampires are evil) even at the cost of sacrificing himself. His disdain for his family, his one joy in his love for Sage. And honestly what he's been through for 800 years is truly the stuff of nightmare. Like he fascinates me so much more than manchild Klaus or hypocritical sycophant Elijah

And yet the show is obsessed with either villainizing him or killing him off as fast as possible. Truly a shame

[foxfables]

I knew it. I knew they’d turn Hope into some Mary Sue Orphan. Now they going to pretend hope is fine without her parents until they need it as an excuse for bad behaviour. Seriously. What about Rebekah. She’s the third (Original) Originals now she lost both her brothers at once. Stupid. Ahhh.

But at least Klaroline didn’t technically happen. What was that voicemail as if she would have saved that. At the time she was busy starting college and such. Than Caroline fell in love with Stefan he was all she cared about than the twins. The only time she thought about klaus was when she needed someone bigger and badder to protect her from evil. Like seriously the fan service.

And Elijah they have destroyed his character I don’t think Julie or TO writer know how to write brothers all of their have the most fucked up relationship seriously Elijah can die because Klaus has found redemption. What about your sisters. What about your other little brother. What about your niece. What about you. Find something to live for. Seriously. The plot holes are redicious AHHHHHH

[zaleriz]

I think that The Originals should have focused on the Mikaelson themselves. The Catalyst for the Mikaelson return to New Orleans could be rumors that Henrik came back to life. Considering that he was the catalyst for their vampire transformation, the fact he is alive would have shaken their established family dynamics. Marcel could have been the first one to find him and now he is on Marcel's side during the New Orleans battle? Henrik could be a witch that practices a special kind of magic or some kind of grim reaper? What if he has a strong moral compass as opposed to the rest of his family and is disgusted by their actions? 

What if Henrik didn’t actually die? What if he got dragged away from the wolves and Klaus assumed he died? The settlement would have gone to look for him and assume he got eaten after they didn’t find a body. What if that near death experience made him study necromancy? What if he uses it to help the dead fulfill their regrets?

Wait here while write an fic about it.

[ambroselaveau90]

Klaus and Elijah deserved their deaths.They were pieces of shit and monsters who harmed innocents for a 1000 years.They caused so much havoc around the world and ruined so many families.Also just because Klaus became a dad,doesn't redeem him or excuse him from his actions!

Hell,Elijah took a hundred years from the Trinity and that was played for laughs!He made them bait to Mikael of all people.The man was called the ultimate vampire hunter!I'm sorry but Aurora and Aya deserved to kill Elijah for using them!Klaus didn't even care Elijah did that to Aurora and Lucien,he ruined their minds.

Aya was right about Elijah;Your just cursed as the rest of them.Klaus killed Katherine's estranged family because she didn't want to die in a blood sacrifice! What the actual fuck,I'm sorry but Klaus is a piece of shit and he fucking mentally abused Cami and tired to force feed her!She should have slap the shit out of him!I was not crying when they killed each other,I was happy they burned to death for all the people and lives they destroyed.

[ihaverecurringnightmares]

Did they seriously have Caroline say "Klaus wasn't the villain in her story"? They have made her completely OOC.

I had warned you guys that Caroline would say something in 5x12 that was so destructive to her character, and THAT was the line. Her whole characterization on the show was offensive and sad, because it’s not even just the complete retconning of the past, or the inconsistencies, it’s the blatant victim shaming. SHE apologized for trying to kill him, SHE absolved him of his past crimes…and what did he do? Nothing. No apologies, no hint of remorse. He just did as he always did, ramble on about himself and then be coy like “My intentions of murdering you and sexually assaulting you and murdering your friends were pure.” And she’d giggle and sip her coffee like “OMG, Claws, maybe so. Tee hee.”

How hard would it have been for the writers to have her address what a monster he was to her? To say he bit her, stabbed her, tried to kill her 3 times, controlled every aspect of her life, and for him to just be upfront and say “Yeah, I was a monster back then, and I may not deserve your forgiveness but I’m asking for it anyway. I’ve changed.” That still would have been weak sauce, but it would have been better than him literally acting like their relationship was a cute little romantic comedy of him chasing her and her being into it. The closest thing we got was her admitting he terrified her, but then they later say he wasn’t the villain of her story…so they couldnt even continue that continuity. That short continuity within a few episodes… Oh the mess.

For me, that declaration from her was completely unearned narratively. It was just a stupid, hollow line for a very stupid, hollow relationship. Klaus has shown remorse to every woman in his life that he hurt, but never to Caroline and I think that’s messed up because she’s at the top of his victims list. Those two characters were incapable of sitting down and having a deep conversation about their history, because the complexity and depth just isn’t there for them. So they sweep it under the rug, like they always have, and in turn make them act out of character for the sake of furthering the plot.

I think it becomes even more jarring, what they did to Caroline, when you consider Julie Plec and Carina Mackenzie patted themselves on the back for killing haylijah and discussing abuses of power and women in the writer’s room, and then came together to write the episode where they had a victim of an abuse of power tell her abuser that it’s okay what he did because…retcon.

[rosecathedral95]

i noticed something lmfao, its not my elijah (s2 elijah, s3 elijah, tvd "klaus and i are at such irreparable odds ive decided to kill him and have hunted him for a century" elijah, tvd "im several centuries too old to even remember the concept of redemption" elijah, tvd "i'll exist near klaus but i wont help him" elijah,) if hes wearing a white shirt. only time my elijah wears a white shirt is in a borrowed suit and in a tux. Thats It. i know in my soul if i see him in a white shirt and idk the scene very well its Originals TimeTM (this includes tvd s4) and im abt to be dealt psychic damage

[cancerian-woman]

I’ve always felt out of place in some TVDU spaces for thinking TVD is the best show, TO is just okay and Hayley deserved to die (Tyler, hybrids) and that Hope is boring in Legacies to the point where Josie and Lizzie should have been the leads

whenever ppl mention the other two shows, I’m like mmm anyway lets go back to talking about Bonnie lol

It’s a safe space here! 💜Same minority boat.

TVD has its issues misogyny, the racism and blunt acts of favoritism with characters. TO was more outwardly about their racism. Marcel, the black child was a stain on the family but the white baby and her new mother are good! NOLA being so white that even the background chars are, Elijah’s disposable WOC partners, the hallow…KEELIN/VINCENT etc..(the way they boost up the white witches.…)

I can’t take the TO claims that’s all: “it’s the most mature show!” “They aged everyone up” “It’s no love triangles! Just maturity”… Not to be rude but Joseph, Daniel and Claire were aging?!? It had been a while since they debuted in their own roles, so they had to find people who already looked like adults. If seeing Salvatore’s and the teens drama is annoying then in TO Klaus, Elijah, Rebekah and their many tantrums is just as bad? I’m confused?!🤣. TO relationships Klayley/ Haylijah/Camcel/Klamille, Kolvina etc etc very kept in the family.. …. Honestly, Hayley would have been portrayed better had it not been for Phoebe.

Hope is just as much of a plot device in TO as she is treated in legacies. Not sure why some folks that offense to that! Everybody claiming they want to do and be better. 5 seasons and multiple time jumps revolving around Hope’s existence but never allowing the audience to really grow with the character…if anything, the time jumps from s1/s2 shouldve been larger. Hayley having Hope 99% of the show but doing NOTHING to develop the Mikaelson’s relationships? Always and forever-ing but who is that applying too?? Hope not there…?

Legacies alone is proof the writers liked Bonnie but she was black. I get the disconnect with Hope because she’s not treated like the star character. The twins are pushed better.

Hope/Josie/Lizzie are all pieces of Bonnie in a sense but those writers got to mock Bonnie’s absence and important…

Anyway, loving Bonnie is fun and more people should the franchise is trash least we can be real about that

Had to take the chance to say my hot takes for no reason!

Thank you for the ask 💜