#anti sanvers

[moistvonlipwig]

hypothetically if i just sent you every heart in that ask as a lovely littlel rainbow…??? :D

I'm assuming for Supergirl again? ;)

I cut out a few that I just didn't have an answer for at all. The rest are under the cut. Again, kvetching about a CW superhero show awaits.

❤: Which character do you think is the most egregiously mischaracterized by the fandom?

I have had to click out of so many fics because they feel the need to get in a throwaway dig at James that often has absolutely nothing to do with his canon characterization. ("He was only interested in Lena because he liked the prestige and perks of dating a billionaire!" No??? Wrong??? Do not pass Go??? Do not collect $200???)

🧡: What is a popular (serious) theory you disagree with?

I don't agree with the idea that Kara is some sort of "genius" just because she's from Krypton. Being from a more '''advanced''' society (which is a thorny and problematic label in and of itself) does not make you ''smarter" than people from a '''less advanced''' society (see what I mean? Thorny and problematic). Living in a society with hyper-advanced technology doesn't mean that you know how that technology works or the fundamental principles that underlie its construction, especially if you are 13 years old. Also, even if you did, that is not inherently a more valuable form of knowledge than, say, knowing how to make dumplings – a skill I'm sure Kara herself would say is incredibly valuable, and which Kryptonians do not possess.

And that's not even getting into the fact that knowledge itself isn't the same thing as intelligence, which is a hard-to-define concept that has been historically used and still is used today in deeply problematic ways, but which I would argue is more about creativity, imagination, and the ability to generate new solutions to problems given the resources and education available to you than it is about simply knowing stuff. I certainly wish we got to see Kara display her resourcefulness, knowledge, & skills more often on the show, but fandom's insistence that she's actually way smarter than all these silly backwards primitive humans because she's from a planet that's made certain scientific advancements is incredibly fucking weird and frankly strikes me as the product of a colonialist mindset.

(I also just kind of think it's an uninteresting take on her character? She already has so many incredible abilities and interesting character traits, why does she ALSO have to be a "genius" who can rival Brainy & Lena in scientific thinking?)

💛: What is a popular ship you just can’t get behind, and why?

Supercat, for all the reasons I listed in my other post, and Sanvers, because the whole whitewashing thing is really egregious to me and also the way they were written just kind of grated on my nerves. Also Agentcorp. No real reason, I have no zingers to deliver about it. I just don't see it.

💚: What does everyone else get wrong about your favorite character?

You and I have already talked about how I don't actually think Lena has a "one-strike policy", and how the only person she actually cut off after only one strike was Andrea, whose betrayal came at a time when Lena was extremely vulnerable. I believe I've also mentioned to you in an ask that I think people read her politics wrong -- a lot of people classify her as a conservative when she is, IMO, clearly a libertarian, hence her pro-business, pro-gun, anti-secret government agencies, generally socially progressive views. (Additionally, one of the quirks of Supergirl's casting is that they accidentally cast all of Lena's past friends/lovers as people of color, which has some truly fascinating implications about Lena's racial politics.)

🤍: Which character is not as morally bad as everyone else seems to think?

Lena is the obvious answer, although the real truth about Lena is that she is, actually, quite morally all over the place, it's just that she's not any more morally all over the place than anyone else on the show. Andrea, also, I think gets a bad rap from some people and from the show itself, which I talked more about in my other post. Um...I don't think Clark is a bad person for leaving Kara with the Danverses? To quote one of Once Upon a Time's most repeated lines, he gave her her best chance. He wasn't ready to parent her and he knew it -- I think that takes real integrity to admit, actually. Does that mean Kara can't have complicated feelings about it? Of course not, but I don't think it's fair to say he "abandoned" her. Placing a child in a loving home is not "abandoning" them. It's quite the opposite.

(The Clark situation admittedly gets worse post-Crisis when suddenly he has two teenage sons who would've been born around the time Kara's pod landed, which means maybe Earth Prime Clark was down for being a parent but just didn't want to parent Kara specifically, which is much more dubious. But also, Crisis was very bad, so I prefer not to think about it.)

💔: If you had to remove one major character from the series, who would you choose?

I guess it depends on if my options are "remove them vs. change how they were written" or "remove them vs. keep them as is"? If I have to keep them as is if I don't remove them, then the clear answer is Mon-El, whose presence I would argue damaged the show more irrevocably than any other writing decision.

If I can change how they were written, that's a different story -- Mon-El in the comics is a cool character and I think the show could've adapted his story in a genuinely interesting way. Imagine if, in S2, Kara had discovered a pod with an amnesiac child inside who appeared to be Kryptonian. Not only is she now just a little less alone, she now has a chance to make amends for her inability to take care of Clark! Except then we find out -- he's not Kryptonian, he's a Daxamite. The same species as Kryptonians, but they left Krypton ages ago (or were driven out -- perhaps the stories Kara was told as a child didn't tell the entire truth) and are known to be isolationist and xenophobic, with a particular hatred for Kryptonians. The Daxamite boy (who Kara named "Mon-El") gets accidentally exposed to lead, and Kara must banish him the way she herself was banished. Then, S3 comes along, and would you look at that - the Legion of Super-Heroes is here from the future! And their leader is none other than Kara's adopted baby brother Mon-El, now grown up and with all his memories returned to him. Cue drama! (While I'm making up a version of Supergirl that didn't exist, I'd also like this version of Mon-El to be Asian. We truly didn't need more white guys on this show.)

So if I were allowed to rewrite characters like that, I'd have to opt for getting rid of a character who wasn't just executed poorly, but conceived poorly as well. William is a pretty obvious choice, as they clearly only created him to be a love interest and had no earthly idea what to do with him when that didn't work out (or, well, at any point in time, actually). Even when the show moves him away from his S5 misogyny and his (kind of baffling, given how little effort she puts into the job he values so much) late S5-early S6 interest in Kara, the only character trait they can think up for him is "baking", which kind of says it all, really. Winn, I feel, is also extraneous; even if you get rid of his misogyny in S1, I just don't think we needed a nerdy white guy character. Lena and Brainy have the scientist role covered. So, IDK, either of them, I don't care lol.

💕: What is an unpopular ship that you like?

I already talked about Guardiancorp in my previous post and that's probably my only actually unpopular ship. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

💀: If you had to choose one major character to die, who would you choose?

I don't think killing characters off truly fits with the vibe of the show, which is one of a long list of reasons why William's death was bad. If I could instead put a character on a bus, it'd probably be J'onn -- they clearly ran out of ideas for his character partway through the show (and David Harewood frankly seemed to run out of interest in portraying the character as well). Which, honestly, that usually happens with older male mentor figures in shows about young women coming into their own -- look at Giles post-S5 on Buffy, for example. IMO both M'gann and Malefic (both of whom actually did get put on buses to Mars in the show proper) would be much more interesting Martians to have on the show full-time.

[bigbangsanvers]

Confidential

written by @roadien60

Rating: Mature

Warnings: None

Summary:

Was it only three months ago that the story had come out in Confidential magazine? It felt like so much more time had passed. The headline was burned into Alex’s memory: ALEXIS D’ANVERS AND MAGGIE SAWYER: BOSOM BUDDIES OR BEDROOM BUDDIES?

They met in 1952, they fell in love in 1953, they fell apart in 1954.

Alex and Maggie are movie stars in the waning days of Hollywood's golden age. Against the backdrop of the House Un-American Activities Committee's anti-communist witch-hunts, the Hollywood blacklist, the rise of Technicolor cinema, the virulent early days of celebrity tabloids, and a (literally) underground gay bar, this is a story of how they find each other again in 1955.

Additional tags: Alternate Universe - Historical, Alternate Universe - No Powers, Alternate Universe - Hollywood, Alternate Universe - 1950s, 1950s, Jewish Alex Danvers

With art, included in the story, by ViviWrites

These works were part of Sanvers Big Bang 2020 and were revealed on October 30.

[performativezippers]

Zipps! 12, 19, and 30, please

12. a trope you’re really into right now

I'm really enjoying enemies to lovers these days if it's well written!! Also always on my reality TV shit, and recently I have become super interested in sort of the anti-Chosen-Teen trope. Whether that's dealing with the aftermath of being adult who was chosen as a teen, or it's a teen chosen and it's horrible--I'm finding those questions super interesting in novels and it's percolating in the back of my mind as well.

19. the most interesting topic you’ve researched for a fic

Oh my god there are so many! One that always comes to mind is the asexual reproduction abilities of boa constrictors (#Revelations, iykyk). The physics of how candles work is another one (for my Sanvers Chanukah AU). How long eclipses last and what their impacts are for Missives.

30. share a fic you’re especially proud of

Honestly I'm really proud of so many of them. Revelations and Attachment for being my firsts. Spin Doctor for being my first that was so AU. Love is Blind, Northern Outpost, and the Ultimatum for being real, fleshed out tv shows. My short angsty Kacy fics (Coda, One Wave at a Time, Alone) for being character studies. Dandelion and Bar Across the Street for helping me find humor in dark places with a new cast. So many!

[fic writer asks]

[wikifoxnews]

Who is Matteo Messina Denaro ( Italy busts Sicilian Mafia boss ) Wiki, Bio, Age, Crime, Arrest, Mafia, Investigations and More Facts

Matteo Messina Denaro Biography                                            Matteo Messina Denaro Wiki

An Italian mafia boss who once boasted he could 'fill a graveyard' with his victims was arrested by police on Monday after 30 years on the run.

Matteo Messina Denaro, a convicted organized crime leader and Italy's top fugitive, was arrested at a private clinic in Palermo where he received classified medical treatment, paramilitary police said. Italy busts Sicilian Mafia boss Matteo Messina Denaro after 30 years on the run https://t.co/gwOBcOKf2s via @nypost — Team Sanvers (@TeamSanvers) January 16, 2023 The 60-year-old was still considered the main Sicilian figure on Costa Nostra and ran his Trapani-based operation despite having been in hiding for the past three decades, officials said. He was the latest of three long-fugitive mob bosses who had evaded capture for decades.

Convictions:

Messina Denaro has been convicted of dozens of murders in absentia and faces several life sentences, including two bombings in Sicily in 1992 that killed anti-Mafia prosecutors Giovanni Falcone and Paolo Borsellino. The captured billionaire boss was also found guilty of killing the young son of a renegade employee, who was strangled and his body dissolved in a barrel of acid. He was the latest of three high-profile fugitive mob bosses who evaded capture for decades, only to be arrested in Italy, and 30 years and one day after his mentor's capture, convicted "boss of bosses" Salvatore" Toto" Riina, who arrived in an apartment in Palermo after 23 years on the run. In retaliation for Riina's arrest, Denaro and his bloodthirsty troop "planted bombs in Milan, Rome and Florence. They blew up national monuments and a museum," co-director Cyprien d'Haese said in a new episode of Netflix's World's Most Wanted. “, at the Post Office in 2020. "It was his way of saying, 'We are so powerful. We can take anyone anywhere. Denaro's father - a high-level mafioso - had entrusted him to Riina for a cursed education that began around the age of 18. Denaro quickly established himself as a reliable foot soldier with a penchant for killing. “Riina loved her,” d'Haese said. "Denaro was told to kill, and he killed." Messina Denaro was taken to an undisclosed location by police soon after his arrest, Italian state television reported. Read the full article

[shewhotellsstories]

Kat Graham, Candice Patton, Mehcad Brooks, and Azie Tesfai all deserve so much better.

I’d pretty much given up on TVD by this point but I saw some screen shots on twitter a few weeks back that said circa 2016 Delena stans leaked Kat’s phone number, which is just awful. But I vividly remember reading the youtube comments (clearly I’m a masochist) in high school and seeing Bonnie get called a judgemental bitch for so much as breathing wrong at the Salvatore brothers. Never-mind that they frequently brought death and danger into her life.

And the cherry on top of this sundae of fandom racism. The actors who are literally just doing a job have to see the things you demons tweet at them. And it seems like they don’t get much support from the network. 

Again, they all deserve so much better. 

[tuiyla]

People on Reddit seem to really not like Sanvers and like Alex/Kelly much more. Calling Sanvers "toxic" and preferring Alex/Kelly because they're "healthier." 🥴

Oh really? That's unfortunate. I don't keep with with reddit fandoms at all, apart from Glee and like, Lego so I'm surprised to hear that.

I'm so over people throwing the word toxic around. Like come on, Alex was more mature in later seasons anyway and she grew into her identity so that's one reason why Dansen would be healthier. Why must people bring others down to make a point. How was Sanvers ~toxic~? You know what, I'm sure the arguments are all fascinating but I don't even want to know. This approach to media criticism makes me groan so much. I don't even think the two need to be compared, you can just appreciate both for what they were.

I dig the open communication Dansen had going on but you don't have to call Sanvers toxic to appreciate that.

[hanorganaas]

kelly is such a glow up from maggie shes so sweet and kind

[autistic-danvers]

Definitely agree with kara-zor-el. I think the degradation of Alex's abilities are similar to what we've seen in Kara over the seasons. Season one? Alex can do a bunch of the science. Now? She's mostly the muscle. As much as I love her fight scenes, I miss more moments showing her intellect. And the same is true for Kara. Season one, she's giving a speech on unity while powerless. Season two, she's acting before talking so Maggie can give her a lesson on thoughts before actions. 1/2

It was one of the many problems I had with the Alex episode. I mean, c'mon. Sister and confidant of 12 years who was the defining figure/rock since losing Krypton vs girlfriend of several months? Not saying Maggie can't care, but she didn't have "just as much to lose" as Kara. And that episode didn't even end with a Danvers Sisters scene or any follow up between Alex and Kara. Sorry for going a bit off topic, that bit always just bugged me. I just don't like characters regressing for plot. 2/2

i don't talk about it much on here bc i don't need hate from ANOTHER section of this fandom gdjsgdjdkf but i hated sanvers and Maggie for this reason and a lot more. i have all of it blacklisted. it's above sc on my list of notps lmao

and i agree with you 100% on the regression nonsense for sure!!

[fandomlife-confessions]

[magickgirl786]

lmao @ the fact that the majority of the responses to the tvline tweet about azie tesfai becoming a series regular on supergirl are butthurt f/loriana and s/anvers fans like stfu this is not about your fake woc and that fake interracial ship just gtfo

[widonotts]

listen, i know we as wlw are desperate for wlw content because we have none of it, but we also have to think critically about it. i know the fact that these ships involve two women isn’t the only reason that we ignore negative aspects of the relationships - we do that with m/f and m/m relationships too - but we’ve been ignoring everything from emotional manipulation to brownface. if we put all our support behind these ships, we’re saying that’s what we want, that we’re okay with that. just because something is representation doesn’t mean we can’t be critical of it.

[friendsforanotherday]

sanvers

vomit / don’t ship / ok / cute / adorable / sexy / perfect / beyond flawless / hot damn / screaming and crying /i will ship them in hell

didnt really ship it but it was cute until the fans ruined it for me tbh

[thehedgerider]

For the record, shit like this has kept Floriana Lima working.

[hoytjessicatara]

Chyler Leigh had more chemistry with Caity Lotz in those few scenes than any scene she shared with Fake Latina in Supergirl S2-3

[lizacstuff]

I found your Tumblr as a Captain Swan fan and now I'm a fan of Kara and Mon El because of you! Thank you for introducing me to them. I'm interested in seeing how things go now that he's back... with a wife! What do you think of Reign? Did you see the preview for the next episode?

Oh, I’m so glad, I love it when people find Karamel.

As far as where I see the story going… definitely towards Kara and Mon El slowly finding their way back to one another!

I think there is something hinky about the marriage and it’s not exactly what it seems, time will tell what’s going on there.  Mon El displayed more concern over Supergirl, the most powerful person on earth, having her 1000th fight with an alien, than he did about his wife being in a coma after almost drowning in her pod that didn’t have adequate life support.  I also love that you could clearly see the necklace chain at his collar in 3x08. Even after Kara confronted him about it the episode before, he’s STILL wearing that symbol of her.  Me thinks someone is still desperately in love with Kara, but whatever is going on with the Legion necessitates his distance from her.  If the marriage is real, my guess is that it’s a marriage of convenience, and while they probably like and respect one another, it’s not an in-love situation, so either way I’m not expecting a real, protracted love triangle. I’m hoping either Winn or J’onn have a frank conversation with Mon El and get us some answers next episode.

Poor Sad!Kara at the wedding, though.  It was telling that Alex, who just broke up with Maggie went full tilt rebound, while Kara who has had 7 months was 100% in Miss Mopey mode.  It sent a clear signal that while Alex and Maggie’s love story is over, Kara and Mon El’s is far from done.  As for Alex, honestly, I used to call myself a S*anvers shipper, but since I couldn’t even look at Overgirl and OverArrow making out in the crossover, while in comparison I was fist pumping and cheering through Alex’s hook up with Sara Lance, I don’t think so anymore.  If I truly shipped them that would have bothered me. So… I think I more liked that relationship because I thought Alex’s coming out story was beautiful, and I wanted her to be happy, and it wasn’t so much about Maggie, whom I found hard to like at times.  Basically, I’m fully down for Alex to get a new lady love asap, and I thought Alex/Sara was the best part of the crossover.

Next episode looks like an important one, I have seen the trailer and I’m totally looking forward to Reign and the kind of evil she’ll bring.  I’m wondering if Samantha will have a secret identity ala Kara for awhile and eventually be revealed as the villain? Or if we’ll know right away.  I’m also psyched to see what happens between Lena and James this episode, the description about a possible “spark” lighting between them was intriguing.

While the first 6 episode of S3 felt like filler/set up, the back half of the season looks full steam ahead. I’m looking forward to it.

[fagsbian69]

I just watched the Alex scenes from 3x11 of yt and listen to me... listen to me real good right here alrgith there are TEARA Streaming down my face ALEX ADN RUBY ARE THE CUTEST THING i stfg if they don’t make Reignvers canon and LET ALEX ADOPT RUBY AND LIKE MAYBE THEY CAN HAVE ANOTHER KID i am gonna kms and manifest in the houses of EVERY SINGLE supergirl writer, producer, executive, ANYONE RESPONSIBLE FOR REIGNVERS NOT BECOMING CANON and I will scream at them 24/7 dont fucking try me okay lets ditch Maggie’s fake latina ass WE DESERVE ALEX/SAM