#anti lgbt idiocy

[vinecine]

[theboyonthehighcastle]

FUCKING WOKE PEOPLE. THEY DON'T LOVE AT ALL.

[n0nw0ke-gay-exs0d0m1te]

Hi, Exiled Smite here:

Theres probably a bunch of grammar errors in my post probably bc of my terrible relationship with writing which could have been bc I took college english courses in high school not a great experience, was it worth it? Maybe. Anyways I hope anyone who is catholic or orthodox & gay/trans who has felt like they are alone, you are not, as well as if u feel that your not woke welcome, & I hope we can become a big community under Christ & hopefully one day our leaders are touched with humility & understanding to hopefully live without fear with our beloved living ethically adoring our God along wrapped with the warmth of our Lady's veil

Amen.

[katyspersonal]

Hey guys.. Thank you for the kind words. I am just not feeling like talking yet, I am mostly just spending time alone.

It is hard to explain how one thing leads to another thing and how things that are troubling me are conjoined, but I just feel like I don't have a place as a human being. I am caught in the loop of escaping people that hate whites / males / heteros / etc by proxy and soon enough the freedom and reason I've been after ends at dead end, me meeting people that instead hate blacks / women / LGBTs / etc. No matter what I do, no matter where I go it is always fucking something. It is always hatred to a demographic of people by proxy, people just can't comprehend the idea of hating the bad and harmful instead of this stupid disparity between "good" demographics and "bad". When it is not dumb American college esque "systematic/historical oppression" flex - it is a sob story about various bad events caused within confrontation to the group. EVERY demographics has people that will willfully weaponize belonging to it against others. EVERY single ONE. Every race, every gender, every culture, every sexuality will have pricks. When it is not """systematic""" privilege - it is victim's privilege.

And I am tired too. I question whether the freedom and reason I am looking for even exists. Maybe it is normal for humans to blame the ones who are not like them as a 'covenant' instead of looking up into something that can occur everywhere, and I just have no place in society. I feel like blasphemy is becoming the same entity as religion: there is always that guy that claims they know how things "really" work, that everyone who disagrees is against the "truth" itself. And I am tired. I am tired of running from one kind of control freaks and ending up with the other, after having a hunch of hope. I am tired of always, always, always being pressured into being an ideological soldier. When it is not 'you should let others walk all over you because you are white and cis' - it is 'you should stand against them with us as a woman and a bi'. And there is always control freakery, pressure and hatred for not agreeing 100%. When I am not called a disgusting bigot - I am called another woke brainwashed feminist (sometimes also with 'child murdering psychopath' for supporting abortion rights).

I am feeling ideologically homeless, because apparently 'for reason and against idiocy' is not an ideology. I choose my own sources of information and do what I can to keep drastically different people around so I am always forced to question or reaffirm what I already think, but HOW do I always end close with people with whom being honest is hated and punished? When it is not a public social abuse from cancel culture simps - it is private emotional abuse behind closed doors by friends.

And in the end? I am still the dumbest person in this equation. It is all my fault. I've failed to nurture enough self-confidence to be independent without the need of any approval, and so I am blaming who exactly? The entire human society for how it works? I feel like I am more like Djur4. He is not against the hunt altogether (he tells the hunter to go kill beasts outside), but he personally quit it and protects the beasts that CAN'T harm anyone, he has only like 3 true friends (funny enough, I also have 3 people that truly accept me as who I am without any contempt and conditions), but he has quite the mood swings and used to be fearsome (and well, I used to be aggressive kind of feminist anti something something years ago). But I am yet to become really like him, because he is confident living on his own with what works for him. (Heh. Would've been funny to switch M3nsis on Powder K3gs, considering he still resides extremely close to M3nsis base.)

In the end, what I am really looking for is the dreaded unattainable trait of "not letting someone's insults get to me", but even this is hard because if I never listen to them, how will I know when I am ACTUALLY being a dumbass? Is anyone really qualified to unmistakeably distinguish between "they insult me because they can't control me" and "they insult me because I really fucked up"? I've endured a lot of abuse from either "side" under delusion that they could not insult me without a logical reason... But what if they do not understand logic to begin with? Or what if their logic is rigid and stuck in certain dogmas, that can't adapt and evolve? And what if they don't know the "truth" but just fucking hate women, even if some of their observations and reasoning could be useful? In the end, no one can know my intentions better than me, but if I never listen - how WILL I connect with other people? Yet I did not connect just to be condemned for not being antagonistic "enough", or for constantly listening trash about women and their rights and being told that I am in "denial about FAAAAAACTS uwu" when I disagree. In the end, chaos is just another form of order, only its order is being antagonistic to the previous one.

And if I can't become whatever the secret third thing is... it is better to exclude myself from this life altogether.

[briek58454521]

Let’s rant about bigotry in media and fake allies.

.Look. I get it. You want to believe that your cartoons, media and celebs are completely perfect darlings that can do no wrong, but let me be frank. I don’t care how much you don’t want to talk about it. I care about the creators who keep inviting the discourse their way through their idiocy. Whenever a creator gets in trouble for doing shit like making jokes about slave hats on a live stream, or including a blackface caricature in an art book, or killing off their gays the very episode they come out or are introduced, there’s always a subset of people who say shit like, “it was a mistake, they didn’t mean it. It kinda gives us as a leftist community a bad name when we keep attacking each other like this”.

Let’s dismantle that. And let’s break this down in three basic points I’ll use throughout. 1. It is not your place to accept an apology that was not for you, especially when in regards to racism, sexism, anti-LGBTA+ bigotry, and anti-semitism. 2. We need to stop lumping in actual criticism with alt-right idiots being shitty about marginalized groups existing, because ultimately, infighting is not the end of the world, and disagreements are not inherently bad. They are a fact of life. 3.  Most importantly of all, just because these people claim to be allies, that does not mean that they are. Because make no mistake. CARTOONS ARE NOT ANY LESS EFFECTED BY THE BIASES OF THE ENVIRONMENTS WHICH PRODUCED THEM THAN ANY OTHER WORK OF ART.

Now. Let’s break down that shit completely.

1. I used those examples as a jumping-off point, but in general, this shit always happens. A creator fucks up, they get criticism which was unquestionably earned, they get rightfully dragged, and the creator uses the backlash to garner sympathy from their audiences and paint their critics in a bad light and whine about Cancel Culture. NOW, I already talked about that in another post, but basically, it doesn’t exist, and is used as a weaponized shield from criticism. 

Thing about all of that as well is when the creators keep bringing up how they didn’t mean it like that. Most people would answer this with, “doesn’t matter, what matters is what you did”, but there’s something else that people don’t talk about. This is usually a bunch of white people excusing this shit. Or otherwise, a bunch of people who weren’t actually affected by the latest controversy. And therein lies the rub. Allies, let me put it this way. WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THE CRITICISM IS ABOUT THE PORTRAYAL OF MINORITIES IN MEDIA, YOU ARE IN NO POSITION TO EXPECT SAID MINORITIES TO FORGIVE THOSE CREATORS WHEN YOU WERE NOT AFFECTED BY IT.

Remember the Lana Del Rey controversy, where her dumbass ended up getting shit for her statement filled with venom towards other artists? Could have been cleared up if she had just accepted that she messed up and didn’t word her statement correctly, but no. She lashed out at the people who told her it was kinda racist to lump a bunch of black female artists into a conglomerate of artists who just, “twerk, cheat, have sex, and get money”, and dismissing feminism as needing to accommodate women “like her, who were more delicate”, perpetuating inadvertently to the idea that black women are less delicate, white women are petite, demure, and need to have a place above the others. AND LOOK, it’s how she responded that sealed it. Accusing her critics of being the actual racists, who hate women, and conflating the criticism with.....ugh....a FUCKING RACE WAR. Do I EVEN need to explain the problem with that?

The point is that it was idiotic of her to assume that she didn’t deserve the criticism because she “technically didn’t mean it”, when ultimately, she wasn’t the victim, she wasn’t the one who ACTUALLY got hurt by all of this, and that most of the criticism WAS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR as vitriolic as Lana accused it of being. And people do this to minorities all the fucking time. Where the praise for the work is what matters, but then they’re just upset and looking to be upset about things when they....sorry, when WE have shit to say about the fuckups. Constantly, minorities are expected to praise bare minimum bullshit lest we have self proclaimed “””””allies””””” get pissy that we aren’t playing along. Well, sorry, but, I think it be time to stop with that shit. It doesn’t matter how pure you think that person is. If the people who are the actual part of the controversy have shit to say about it, MAYBE LISTEN TO THEM instead of trying to force people to accept the apology that wasn’t even yours to accept, nor was it for you to shove in our faces to shut us up. And if you dislike that I’m saying that, just know. That’s exactly what you’re doing when you pull that shit.

2. As simply as I can put it, complaining about how a trans person is portrayed badly is not the same as complaining ABOUT the presence of a trans person, and to lump that shit onto the other pile is dishonest and willfully ignorant. When we keep getting upset about the tone, or upset about, “WAAAH, they said a me-no-like”, and lump that in with the actual facists looking to erase us from the history books, we are doing half of their job for them, and normalizing shit like what I saw the other day, where on Twitter, some asshole complained, “Anime is supposed to be an escape from reality. Adding black people to it kinda ruins the point.”

I’m gonna talk about it in the next point, but for now, understand this. NO ONE says shit like that just out of the blue without having it come from somewhere, and that attitude is all too prevalent.

In cartoons especially, criticism of the NB lizard from She-Ra is not being bigoted towards non-binary people, because the use of a fucking lizard to portray them is the ACTUALLY bigoted thing. And to lump in criticism of that with the criticism of She-Ra not being conventionally attractive enough for men to masturbate to the fucking minor is only going to long-term HARM any discourse. Because having these conversations as well as discussing these issues and educating each other about them is how we AVOID THEM. Criticism is not just a vector for asshole conservatives to be pissy about your existence. It’s also a veritable TREASURE TROVE for how not to fuck your shit up. And when we all get it, we learn. I get it, you don’t want to do shit wrong, but when you do, as everyone will, the backlash will burn itself out, and once you’ve fixed it, people will be very forgiving. Because, and it’s gonna sound mean....THAT’S HOW AUDIENCES WORK. THEY WANT TO FORGIVE YOU FOR WHEN YOU DO SHIT WRONG. So just...fix it. And listen. Yeah, you’ll get called stupid, you’ll get called “moron”, but you will have saved yourself from getting that shit ten times worse later on down the line. BEAR IN MIND, THOUGH, any of you already typing about how that’s enabling cyberbullying under the guise of critique, IT’S NOT. There’s a wealth of difference between the two, and trying to distract from the point with that is just a red herring. So stop with that.

And now....for the biggest one of all.

3. See...here’s the thing. About that anime douche. That doesn’t happen in JUST anime. It’s been around for decades, and has been a thing to this day. The WoW community got upset about womz being in power for the past 15 years, and have gotten on their high horse about black people being in the game, stating that if they were around sooner, maybe it wouldn’t, “SEEM TOO POLITICAL”, with that Asmongold jackass trying to start a second wave of GamerGate because one of the people at Blizzard said, “Black Lives Matter”. Fantasy as a genre has been so rooted in racism, that the inclusion of goblins for the most part is synonymous with anti-semitism towards Jewish people. Captain Marvel was pilloried for the past two years because the mean lady said that shit needs to change and wasn’t too nice, and also, me don’t like her too much. Basically, tone policing over a personality that we still give Howard Stern a platform for. In cartoons, the inclusion of black people is seen as an inherently political opinion. The rumors of Gen 6 Apple Jack possibly having a black voice actress prompted comments such as:

“The thiing with AJ is clearly anti-white/conservatist as a response to Trump America. What is opposite of country redneck female? Of course, and urban black woman.”

“It’s the fact that she’s black that bothers me.”

“Killing a blonde freckled Southern character for some political agenda is the last thing I want to see.”

The news of Velma Dinkley being gay was immediately pounced upon with shit about a homosexual agenda, and constant bullshit about how it was so forced, or whatever. This shit always happens, and is gonna keep happening. You know why?

Because the entertainment industry is not ready to accept minorities. The games industry is not ready to accept minorities. Cartoons are still not ready to accept minorities. They accept them for a moment, until those minorities challenge someone’s ego. Fans embrace a character until they’re a woman, or a POC, or on the spectrum, or LGBTA+. The existence of us is denigrating to these idiots’ escape, not from reality, but from us. It’s bad enough that they have to put up with us in the real world, but even worse that they have to see us in fictional shows that aren’t real.’ Us merely BEING AROUND is a bad thing, and to ask for some improvements is met with bemoaning about agendas.

Supposed allies begin and end their support with how much money we put in their wallets and how much we stroke their egos about how woke they are, and actual allies are lumped in with actual offenders. If we get upset that a show they’ve posited as so enlightening is actually the utter pits and not in any way healthy, they get upset. Tell a Reylo they’re shipping something toxic and dangerous, they’ll get upset and yell racial slurs at John Boyega for sitting next to Daisy Ridley. Say, “Fuck Arthas”, people get upset jump down your throat about how you hate forgiveness. Tell people that the Grinch ought not to be forgiven, people get upset you’re strawmaned about how you hate forgiveness.

They just don’t understand, or care about the essential fact about all of this. As I said earlier. The environments which produce the worst of offenders in these fields, and the problems we hate seeing so much are in no way less affected by the biases that they were cultivated by. And media has never been any more ready to accept minorities as people and as worthy of being portrayed as people than literally anywhere else right now. And speaking up about that is what gets these fake allies mad, especially when they LIKE the media. What makes these people so mad is not the troubling portrayal of POC, or women, or minorities. Not that we are routinely ostracized for existing in cartoons, not that this shit happens at all. They don’t give a flying fuck about any of that. It’s the thing that they have to put up with as a result of that that makes them the most upset.

Criticism. And they don’t like that.

And no matter whether or not these cartoons are made by bootlickers, or this movie was made by a TERF,  or if this creator has a history of blackface, racism, or has made garbage statements about women, if you aren’t nice and considerate enough towards their feelings, you’ll make them, and us, the allies, feel uncomfortable. NO DWAMA, just not too divisive feedback that’s ultimately worthless as it was made purely to try to appease idiots and the people most affected by these issues at the same time, meaning it had to be watered down past the point of no return in order for us to factor it in with our jaded mindsets and worldviews that are the direct cause of the problems we complain about, yet keep exacerbating through our ignorance and unwillingness to change.

If you aren’t like that, and don’t believe you should be lumped in with that, don’t behave as if you are that sort of person. But, even then, if you aren’t...listen to the actual experts. Stop listening to some white guy’s idiotic hot takes about black rep, and actually listen to black people. Listen to trans people instead of some cis white chick with no understanding of trans issues. Stop platforming the worst of offenders within these communities as the bestest ever. And most importantly....

remember that horses don’t exist.

[indovinailionome]

Person 1: *reads a newspaper* “My god, a man killed an entire family and abused an old lady to death, then he went to kill more people and then some cats!”

Person 2: “I’m sure that deep down he have some mental issues and he just needs to be helped and...”

Person 1: “One of his victims was a gay couple”

Person 2: “OMG! THAT GUY IS A HOMOPHOBE!”

Got this in mind from here

[chiripepe]

For the LGBTs online, if you’re reading this shit that’s getting kicked up about kink at pride or whatever. None of that shit matters. Literally none of it. Nobody is telling fags at pride not to show up looking like alien strippers and pride is a great fucking time and I highly recommend going whenever you can especially if you’ve never been.

The usual suspects are the ones kicking up this discourse cuz they need attention and viewers subscribing to their YouTube channels and what not. Vaush who is ‘pansexual’ is one and the only thing I can say without a shadow of a doubt from having watched his content and listened to the way he thinks is that he’s an opportunist that NEEDS TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE BY BEING AS CONTROVERSIAL AS POSSIBLE WITH GULLIBLE LEFT IDENTIFYING PEOPLE.

That other post going around with Shoe0nhead. That girl is a right-wing mega whore that made her entire name during GamerGate giving credence to the argument that feminism is anti man and all that bullshit. She’s recently doing the most that she can to sanitize her image now that being a right-wing fucking moron on YouTube is no longer as profitable as it once was. She’s pivoting but if you really listen to what she has to say she hasn’t really changed at all.

Go to pride and be as gay as you want and keep your eye on the prize. The enemy is Capitalism and the homophobia it fosters in society to control people by making us LGBT people targets. Capitalism seeks conformity in people and one of the best ways of doing that is by policing gender and sexuality. The church is the other actor and it’s always been there to back up whatever dominant power structure is in place using the same fucking tactics.

The problem these institutions have with LGBT people and kink and all of that is that men are supposed to act like men in public and not suck a dick. or dress like women, etc etc... Once you start questioning fundamental suppositions it’s only a matter of HOURS before you want the head of every capitalist on a pike, a 24 hour work week, 6 weeks of paid vacation, a minimum wage of 25 dollars an hour, end to wars, free healthcare, free education, end to violence against anyone and a disco ball in every room bigger than a box. That’s just what people want when they’re free to be whatever they wanna be.

Problems with the LGBT community are that we suffer more when we get paid less than hets do. Not conforming with gender norms means that employers would rather not hire gays than have to discipline homophobes at work. Fem gay men and transgender people ESPECIALLY suffer in this regard as they’re the most visibly non-’normative’ in their gender presentations. Homophobia in the home and the family also means more abuse and punishment for LGBT children in that institution but also all other institutions: school, church, the justice system, the medical system, etc etc...

Keep the eye on the prize and don’t indulge idiocy from alt right homophobes and opportunists.

[rosetyler42]

To be fair, I think Anne McCaffery ALSO was embroiled in discourse for basically saying no one could make/publish fanfiction of her work. Not of the same caliber as what happened with JKR, mind. But still.

You're also talking about a bunch of people brought up in this "Old stuff is for losers" cultural mentality we have. They most likely were never exposed to alot of the authors you mention. Not to mention the general dislike of reading as a hobby thanks to how schoolwork teach and social norms (people who read being dubbed nerds and losers, for example. Particularly fantasy and science fiction) and the dismantling of reading comprehension and critical thinking.

I can understand having a hard time letting go of Harry Potter. I've loved it since I was little. My mother used to read me the books as bedtime stories. We used to talk about the books alot too. (Mom died unfortunately before JKR came out as alot of the things she is now, so I don'r really know what mom's stance would be.) I grew up going to the book release parties. (Yes, I'm a Tumblr oldie, or getting close.) I read the whole series in Middle/High school. I went to Harry Potter themed girl scout camps. I still remember the JOY of a room full of young Potterhead girlscouts watching Hermione punch Malfoy while watching Prisoner of Azkeban. For a while, a ton of LGBT and other marginalized folks (Muslim, disabled, etc) found something in it they liked. I still do occasionally use the sorting system because, since it's what people value, they're a good way of talking about personality and have a nice variance ti them that similar things like Divergent factions, lack.

Harry Potter WAS a giant cultural phenomenon. There's no denying that, whatever your opinion on the books. MOSTLY for showing adults could like "kids" fantasy. That fantasy wasn't merely the realm of nerds and losers. There's a reason her name became as well-known as Tolkien. Her books and her world building WERE good. And her messages of people who are different or outcast finding a place, helping others, that people aren't all good or all evil, of hope and love were all good things. And it's saddening to see the fandom turn into a TERF or Anti-semitic dogwhistle due to the author's bigotry and stupidity. Or the fact people on here seem to agree with it ie "Talking about Harry Potter at all is showing support." I get not wanting to give her money for the new stuff since she's just going to use that funding to harm people. I get critical analysis. I even get it becoming triggering and not wanting to see it! But it's kind if hard to tell people not to talk at all about something many of us grew up loving and that became a part of English lit culture for much of our generation. Not everyone can just turn off their feelings for a book or characters and say it's bad because the Author went to a dark place. Does it really have to be "You got to hate or not talk about this book at all otherwise you're a terrible person?"

There ARE other books out there, and it's a crime many people, even of my generation, haven't heard of them. But I feel like we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater AND throwing out alot of nuance when we dump on Harry Potter because of JKR's idiocy, and expect everyone else to otherwise they're a bad person. Sometimes people have complicated relationships to it, and that should be ok, as long as they aren't giving her money.

u guys know theres other movies and books than hp right. like you dont need to and cannot "find ways to read/watch hp without supporting jkr". unless youre literally doing literary research, engaging with it knowing about jkrs shittiness is a form of support. fucking read something else

[air3d3lalm3na]

i cant believe so many ppl are still so baseline homophobic and addicted to g*nder stereotypes

tr*ns ppl who think they’re arguing with rational thinkers who just happen to be tr*nsphobically biased...need to remember that most of these ppl think that everyone was inherently born to be cis, uniforms are real and every cis person is “biologically inclined” to either pants and short hair or a skirt and long hair, not to mention “naturally wired” to be straight

like these same ppl act out tr*nsphobically toward other cis ppl who are just butch women or guys in drag. theyre so monumentally stupid they can’t tell the difference and think these ppl are “denying their nature”

and at this point, in the anti-tr*ns backlash, recycle the same old “lol my g*nder is attack helicopter, uwu triggered??” shit. against like...anyone who just even dresses differently lmao

we’re uselessly fighting with the world’s most single-brain-celled opponent who opposes us because their equally moronic parents bought into the same things. they might not have much use for r*ligion but they only believe it because that’s what they were told. that an ancient book with ancient values on who wears which clothing, has 1) any bearing on today or 2) any say in the value of medical things like hrt or surgery (which didn’t even exist when it was written, lmao)

any city in the world is a fucking haven for ppl to run away from this en masse. but it exists there too so what’s the point. at this point the dream is: become a yak herder living on a farm in another continent with your partner and/or other lgbt friends, try not to let it become a c*lt, manage ur own crops and animals to live. never talk to cis/str8 ppl about this again. im done w this collective idiocy forever istg

[tenitchyfingers]

ok dont get mad but- go outside. like yes youre right when you talk about the misogyny of the anti mindset, the ableism and how it's blatantly queerphobia/weeding out people who don't conform to cishet expectations for the LGBT+ and how sanitizing medias is always gonna hurt minorities above all. but you need to stop picking fights with kids on the internet that are struggling with toxic mindsets. at least for your own sanity. stop making yourself mad by repeatedly exposing yourself to that shit

I’m outside most of the day, actually. Do you ever see me around here? Maybe if I have a bit of time to spare every now and then and absolutely nothing else to do.

As for my sanity, I’m ok. I know I’m right and they’re wrong and they’re just being stupid kids who need a good beating from their parents, but what I’m not going to do is let their idiocy run rampant and unchallenged. 

I can tag the wank but if anyone has issues with this inherently then they can just unfollow. 

[cuddleslutloki]

I have a genuine question. How often do you actually deal with antis? I've been following you for a bit now and it seems every so often you bring up antis. I've certainly kept my interest about thorki shut and locked away in a box from my friends for the simple fact that all of them think it's incest. It's not an easy topic of conversation but you just seem to handle all the antis so well? Also on an off note about beast!Thor, his favorite pass time must just be rutting into Loki 24/7 🤔

when someone tells you that you're romanticizing abuse [bc i made a stockholm moodboard for a fic] I don't know what I'm supposed to say other than I don't condone it but I write about it? Is writing about abusive relationships bad in writing??? you're the only person i ask for advice so thank you for anything in advance

i’m honestly really glad you came to me. i really do like discussing this topic in this kind of way bc i’ll never reblog an anti or answer an anti ask. even if you’re arguing against them, i don’t think it’s worth it to argue against them if it means also spreading what they’re saying

the basic premise of all anti behavior and ideology is censorship. that’s all it is. 

“i don’t like this topic, you need to stop writing it and making art for it. if you don’t stop there will be consequences.”

that is censorship and that is the kind of shit fandom has had to fight ever since there’s been fandom. women, poc, lgbt+ folks have been dealing with people telling us what we can and can’t write and enjoy for... well, probably forever. but we’re still here, creating the kind of content we want to see and indulge in.

as far as how to deal with antis, my advice is to ignore, ignore, ignore. they want what any bully wants: attention

you stop paying attention, you stop giving them time they don’t deserve from you, they’ll die off. there’s no point in fighting them directly. produce the content you want to see and enjoy what you want to enjoy. drown them out. you don’t owe them a response just because they come to you. they don’t have any qualms about being rude to you, so be rude back and just ignore them. i love blocking antis, personally. take out the garbage, y’know?

antis use the words ship and support as synonyms because they think that shipping is some radical call to action for lgbt rep instead of entertainment

shipping is not activism. shipping is about entertainment and enjoyment, nothing more

so this is why i have this very blasé attitude about antis. i just don’t give a fuck about them beyond making posts trashing their idiocy. because that’s what it is. it’s idiocy, but going deeper it’s puritanism at its finest. antis use fox news scare tactic logic under the guise of some pseudo feminist agenda because they don’t understand and don’t want to understand that enjoying dark fiction as entertainment isn’t equivalent to some greater moral stance

they use the same argument about shipping and fanfiction that WASP moms use against video games and loud music: that enjoying and consuming it will make you think it’s normal and there’s nothing wrong with it irl

okay, well, vlad the impaler never played CoD or far cry and caligula never watched hentai but we know why i’m bringing them up in this context without even heading over to wikipedia, don’t we?

they use the words abuse and pedophilia waaaaaayy too liberally and they’re doing more harm than good because they’re twisting and warping words that should have very specific meanings by using them so goddamn vaguely and irresponsibly 

my own personal theory is that these people are terrified that if they don’t yell in opposition to these topics 24/7 and actively attack content creators that they’d probably enjoy it, and they’ve been so programmed by the echo chamber of tumblr and twitter that they think this means they’re bad people. 

spoiler alert: that’s not what it means

i literally watched a circle jerk on twitter where screenshots of some mafia starker au got tweeted and retweeted w/ pictures of someone pouring bleach into cereal and people had asked to see more of the post. if you really don’t like something, you shouldn’t hate-read about it. it’s not productive, it does more harm than good if that’s the actual issue rather than some reverse psychology-style enjoyment they’re probably getting out of it.

they claim to hate this shit so much, but they’re reading hundreds and thousands of words and putting these images in their heads of their own free will. i don’t do that with shit i genuinely dislike. i avoid it.

i see antis say they enjoy thorki fanart because they think it’s cute, then they see it’s tagged thorki and they have an over the top reaction because the nature of anti ideology states you should never enjoy something like that, so if you do then you have to make the excuse of ignorance to prove that you’re still innocent and pure. enjoyment is apologism to them because they aren’t content to simply attack fan creators, they want to try and drive away the people who consume our art as well because they know you’re the cornerstone of fandom. consumers are why creators create. yeah, i write because i enjoy it, but i also write to connect to my readers and have people commenting on my fics when they like them.

it’s also worth noting that antis only ever talk about shipping. they only talk about sexual and romantic ships. i’ve never seen an anti talk about (often extreme) levels of violence in canon source material for the ships and characters they want to froth at the mouth over. 

seeing someone bleed out and choking on their own blood after being stabbed or shot or bludgeoned? meh

seeing a character who was once a child have a sexual thought about a character who was also once a child and is also their close friend? omg why are we trying to make fandom unsafe for people?

personally, i’ve also noticed that fandoms with darker canon material tend to have more chill fandoms most of the time. i think it also depends on the average age in a given fandom. there’s a major difference between fannibals and steven universe fans, let’s just say that.

creating a moodboard for a dark fic is not “romanticizing abuse” and at this point antis honestly have no fucking idea what that phrase is. they use those words the way a bored CEO uses social media buzzwords and hashtags in a staff meeting

if antis want to see true romanticizing of abuse then they can go to serial killer thirst tags and spot the fucking differences between shippers and people who forget that ted bundy was weak, flaccid, cowardly piece of shit

writing something dark or violent or whatever else and condoning the act or doing the act are different. this is why stephen king isn’t under government surveillance or in prison.

make no mistake, this anti shit only applies to fandom. they’re attacking creators here because creators out at the professional levels don’t give a fuck. they’ve tried, and they’ve failed. 

creators at the professional level understand something antis don’t: that being able to reconcile your enjoyment of dark media can be a sign of emotional intelligence and good emotional health. it’s cathartic. it’s allowed to be cathartic.

the most common consumers of dark fiction are members of minority communities and people who’ve been emotionally and/or sexually repressed for one reason or another. 

antis want to say that fiction doesn’t exist in a vacuum and they are 100% correct! because writing fanfiction and original fiction that relates to parts of my life that nearly killed me gives me control over something that was beyond me in the original context. writing about fucked up codependent, violent romance allows me to process my shit in a way that’s healthy and produces something fun and enjoyable.

my therapist knows i ship thorki, she knows i write thorki. i’ve had her read pieces of fanfiction i’ve written in addition to pieces of original fiction. y’know what she said? “wow, baylen, that’s vivid. you have a way with words!”

i read her a line out of smart boy and told her what the story was about and this trained professional said “well it’s a productive way to process some emotion that you clearly need to let out”

but you know what? if someone doesn’t have the trauma i have? let them write it, too! let them create and enjoy the fictional content they want! more cake, y’all!

finally getting around to one of the first parts of your ask, lol. thorki is incest. thor and loki are brothers. they were raised believing they were blood brothers, even. loki being adopted doesn’t change a thousand years of personal history where thor looked at loki and thought that they came out of the same woman, y’know? 

that’s his brother and in the comics his attachment to loki is even more intense. the mcu nerfed that shit. loki’s life has been intrinsically tied to thor’s ability to feel a full sense of joy. 

enjoying an incest ship isn’t some sign of moral depravity. writing abusive relationships isn’t bad. gone girl was made into an award winning movie. art should look like life, and sometimes life fucking sucks. dark stories, sad stories, fucked up holy shit idk if i can go to sleep after i read this stories exist for a reason. we need them. we have to have an outlet for our frustration, our anger, and especially our fear.

so which is the healthier option of these

to write up a piece of fanfiction where two siblings are in love in a way that might be cute and soft or might be destructive, depending on your mood?

or

attacking strangers you don’t know online and threatening violence against anyone who doesn’t think like you do?

i know what kind of person i want to be.

ship and let ship, thanks for reading my doctoral thesis office hours are always

[girlhusbandfranzkafka]

People can identify as whatever the fuck they want that doesn't mean lesbian includes attraction to men.

I'm still so baffled that lesbians are apparently mean and exclusionary because we define lesbian as having no attraction to men.

[secretgaygentdanvers]

I just saw someone with the words "anti LGBT" and "if you support bullying of any kind, you have no place here" unironically placed side by side in their bio and that's the kind of idiocy we're dealing with lads

[queenofthecommunistcannibals]

You abuse your cats that’s why they die

Wow. Wooooow. Hey. Fuck you. I take awesome care of my cats and I love my poor boys dearly. When Tux first got sick the vet said he probably wouldn't live through the night. He lived 6 months, giving him meds three times a day and rushing him to the vet five times for emergencies.

Also I know why you sent this because five minutes or so before this ask you sent this:

[image description: an anonymous ask reading simply "you're not LGBT" end ID]

And I ignored it because I do not care what you think and have answered this accusation before. A lot. Just go through my "asexual" or "ace disk horse" tags.

I love how aphobes say aces are somehow monsters for defending ourselves against constant onslaughts of abuse because aphobes think we are icky and weird (no one has shown me a legitimate non-troll/real ace who has done anything close to homophobic/transphobic/anything like this), but it's totally kosher to you come into my inbox and pull shit like this. You tell me I am "not LGBT" and I ignore you because I do not give a fuck what a someone too chicken shit to even attach their username to their needless harrassment says and didn't think it was worth the effort of a thorough response (fielded this before, like at least once a week). Then, because I haven't acknowledged your idiocy in literally less than 30 minutes you decide to accuse me of murdering my cats, two of whom I just lost in rapid succession and have mourned on this blog.

Okay, bud, I am acknowledging you. Is this what you want?! Is this your goal?! Because guess what? You aren't helping your cause. No one who isn't a total monster is going to applaud you. All you are doing is illustrating how mean aphobes are, that your idea of protecting the LGBTQ community is to harass some anonymous bitch online about her recently deceased beloved pets. Someone who has always gone out of her way to be civil and helpful and understanding. Whose greatest crime was not letting aphobes blantantly lie about aces. Someone who says "hey, maybe hating someone for their orientation is a bad thing.". That is all.

You are not calling anti-LGBTQ politicians. You are not donating to a homeless shelter for LGBTQ youth. You are not volunteering with the Trevor Project or any other organization. You are not even offering support on your blog.

No, instead you are coming into my inbox to deny me my identity and taunt me about my pets. Wow, you are sooooo brave.

You are not a hero. Not to anyone. You have not helped a soul. You have wasted your previous time on this planet being needlessly cruel to someone who is in mourning.

I hope you are proud of yourself. And I hope you are happy everyone can now see what you do with your free time. This is what you wanted, isn't it? Recognition? Because here it is:

Everyone look at how shitty aphobes are! They have no arguments! They have no proof! All they have is cruelty! This is what they do with the little information they have about me for offering help! Imagine what they would do to aces who ask for help in real life!

[greenyvertekins]

Anyone who even remotely disagrees with leftist beliefs are ideology are deemed "alt-right," a "Nazi," or God forbid a "Trump supporter." I do like Trump, but I'm not going to condemn those who don't agree with me. I'm not going to automatically disregard someone's arguments just because they don't believe in the same things I do. I personally agree with a lot of what you say. You seem like a very intelligent person who knows what they're talking about.

Leftist black and white thinking is what it is. Though that same thing is rampant within the right too.

I enjoy ridiculing Trump and Republicans simply because I dislike them so much for their rhetoric and intolerance (Especially for their rampant anti-LGBT+ and pro-gun legislation and laws that make it harder for disabled people) but I also enjoy exposing Democrats and the left in general for their idiocy and hypocrisy and rampant virtue-signalling as evidenced by the aforementioned outrage they had about kids being separated from illegal immigrant parents….only when republicans continued it - There was little to no outrage from them when Obama and Clinton were doing it.

Another notable hypocrisy and bout of virtue-signalling of the left-wingers was their outrage about Trump’s dumbass ban on Muslim travel into the USA…amongst a blatant lack of concern about the numerous Muslim-majority countries that forbid Israeli’s travelling into them.

It’s good being an objective centrist - You can see and acknowledge both sides rampant bullshit.

[tangent101]

A pattern emerges (ship idiocy)

I’ve noticed a recent pattern coming out from those who ship Black Sun. These people usually come out claiming “I ship Freezerburn” or some other lesbian ship “just to show we’re not homophobes” and then starts calling Bumblebee fans “wasps” and insisting they are toxic and poisonous to the FNDM. And to be honest? It’s complete and utter bullshit.

You have to understand, I came into RWBY for the story. I stayed for the story. Ships? They’re cute. There’s some fun fanart as a result. But I don’t have any ship I would “die” for or insist has to happen. What I want is for a good story to happen... which is probably why I don’t hate Jaune like some folk do and also don’t get wrapped up insisting X ship has to happen.

But onto ships and these Freezerburn anti-Bee shippers. I’m willing to bet that if Sun started flirting with Weiss and both Weiss and Blake didn’t show anger or disinterest as a result, these so-called Freezerburn fans would drop Yang in a heartbeat and insist that their new Triad is perfectly legit. In fact they might even claim it LGBT+ because Weiss and Blake would be bi in this case. 

What it boils down to is this: Black Sun fans have shown a knee-jerk tendency to do everything in their power to disenfranchise Bumblebee. It is because they know in their heart that their ship never left the dock and is just friendship. And the Freezerburn ship deserves better than a bunch of hanger-ons who are using this ship to try and sink Bumblebee, as if this would somehow encourage Rooster Teeth to end any potential plans for Yang and Blake being together and force Blake to be with Sun.

Seriously. We went two full Seasons with Blake and Sun together, and we don’t see anything that couldn’t be considered as just friendship. This is especially true if you put Black Sun to the same standard insisted upon for Bumblebee. There have been no kisses. No hugs. The one moment in Season Four where there could have been a declaration of love, what does Sun do? Tell Blake that Yang would put herself in harm’s way to save her without hesitating.

Further, there is no legitimate reason for Sun to continue to travel with Blake. She is with her friends. He is with his friends (unless Rooster Teeth killed them off-camera) - and that was one of his big arguments back on the Pride when he found Blake wasn’t going after the White Fang but instead was going home. So for the next couple of years, Blake and Sun will be apart... and Blake will be with Yang and trying to repair what they had before Adam fucked up everything.

Okay. tl;dr - so-called Freezerburn fans calling Bumblebee fans “wasps” are not pro-LGBT+ and are part of the toxic culture that keeps instigating Bumblebee fans into defending themselves and then being called out on it, and Black Sun is in dry dock because the story will insist Sun stay behind as the point of his being in the story has come to an end for the next several years.