#anti anprim

[parkrangerpunk]

"its environmentalism vs humanism the best thing for the earth is if humans all went extinct" no HUMANS ARE NATURE YOU DUMB FUCK WHAT CAN BE GOOD FOR HUMANS CAN BE GOOD FOR NATURE AND VISE VERSA STOP TRYING TO SUPPORT GENOCIDE

[pr-m-t-ve]

[kazimirkharza]

People who think that replacing a wild ecosystem (left pic) with a solar plant (right pic) is "good for the environment" are seriously delusional. Solar panels require a global supply chain, (fossil fuel-based) mining and refining of rare-earth minerals, denuding of areas, and regular washing, all of which are extremely ecologically destructive. They also have a relatively short life and become problematic toxic waste afterwards. Humans have existed sustainably for hundreds of thousands of years prior to the advent of civilization and thrived - believe it or not - without any of these 'green' energy technologies. If we wish to survive and thrive again we must return to those ways.

[moonstonetombstone]

[manty-monster]

"unions gave us the weekend"

they didn't give any of my friends the weekend actually all my friends are complaining about having to work on the weekend...

they don't get a living wage either

maybe this applies to factory jobs or something but not trannies in retail

[chevalierlagarce]

there's something so deeply infuriating about spending time writing only for AI checkers to say that what you wrote was probably written by an AI

i hate AI so much, I hate how it kills the planet, I hate how it discredits the work we do, I hate how the industry requires the cheap labor of people living in the third world, I hate how it's used to kill people in Palestine, I hate how it is a tool for killing and how it is used for hyper-surveillance. I have yet to found how AI, as we're using it right now, is lifesaving or even useful. I don't care about how much it streamline your work process or about how much it gives you good answers when it needs a stupidly high amount of water to cool down servers when we're quite literally witnessing climate disaster after climate disaster.

I wish we could go back to when blogs were one of our primary source of information on the internet and to when google was actually useful. It's crazy how the greed of tech industry moguls knows no bound.

[syulangintheforest]

Hey, Civilisation... How's it going?

[himedanshicult]

i know there's a few edgelords on here who are like "ACTUALLY i DO support ending all mining and agriculture and industry right this moment and i dont care what happens!!!" and like yeah wtvr, but coming from a place where anti-civ/anprim types actually make up a large contingent within the local anticapitalist left, the average anti-civ is not interested in some joker maximalist chaos destruction of industrial society, nor do they want people who rely on technology and extraction in some form or another to live to suddenly be killed off in a social darwinian genocide. the average anti-civ or anprim on the scene is, on the balance, a mundane individual worried about these very problems, if they're not directly affected themselves, and are interested primarily in researching ways to mitigate or prevent mass death from sudden industrial collapse as much as possible. to them, collapse is less a rapture-esque event that should be striven towards and more an inevitability that has to be reckoned with eventually - and are keen not to allow that political discourse to be dominated by the very people who do want a social darwinian genocide. i think it's worth hearing them out for precisely that point; regardless of yr broad views on technology, resource extraction, "civ" writ large, etc. we are in fact rapidly reaching a tipping point where the current level of industrial production will no longer even be feasible, and we'll need to seriously think abt how that should be handled.

[brazenautomaton]

achievement unlocked: latest leftist yelling at me on a fallout sub about how fallout is anti-capitalist turns out to be literally a self-described anprim

thinks people worked less as subsistence farmers, thinks the rise in global life expectancy is "just an average" that ACTUALLY hides how a bunch more people are dying due to industrialization and capitalism, responded to "the reason people worked in sweatshops under brutal conditions is that it's still better than subsistence farming" with "no, don't you know sweatshops are bad, of course they didn't want to work there, it was all the genocide"

if you think subsistence farming is so fucking great, get off of reddit, stop talking about video games, and go subsistence farm. nobody's stopping you! go! you control your own destiny there!

like holy fuck I keep going "now people aren't that crazy that's your own biases telling you a flattering story about how you're so right" and then there's always someone going "Me! Me! I'm that crazy! I'm the one who proves all your biases right!"

[pr-m-t-ve]

Humans are not meant to be calm and collected 24/7. We do not have to be mature or the bigger person every day. We are animals, we will get scared, stressed, enraged, overstimulated, etc. the idea that one bite, push, or yell will make us forever bad is flawed. They are trying to remove us from natural reactions to situations so that they can have better control. Our behaviors will be punished just like people punish pets for just being an animal. We shall be punished for being human.

[kazimirkharza]

Had a little chat with Artxmis from the Uncivilized Podcast recently. We discussed my thoughts on Kaczynski's idea of the anti-tech revolution, my "Myth of Human Weakness" essay, and the sociopolitical state of the Balkans. Give it a listen.

[moonstonetombstone]

[apas-95]

When it comes to terminology, some things have become problematised by time. The terms 'primitive accumulation' and 'primitive communism' aren't constructed with the racist epithet in mind, but refer literally to the primacy of these things - the first type of accumulation, the first type of communism. Generally, I think this is well-understood by anyone who seriously engages with Marxist thought and theory.

Now, while 'anprims', 'anti-civ' types etc are all ecofascist nihilists and should be ruthlessly opposed (if you're 'anti-civ' or degrowth or whatever and you're not yet an ecofascist nihilist, you probably just haven't read Desert yet. It's on the anarchist library, go read it and then commit something idk), I believe it's not necessarily correct to rag on them, as we are oft to do, for using the term 'civilisation' at all, since it reasonably has sociological use and meaning separate from sister terms like 'society' or 'state'. Importantly, it's a good thing, but still.

[111seedhillroad]

i feel like the way people talk about anprim makes it seem like they are like the "extremist wing" of somewhat-more-respectable anti-civ that you can cherry pick for theory points sometimes. like babe, please, there's nothing icky to distance yourself from, it's literally all just decades straw-manning and stigma within the anarchist mileue, youre not gonna poison your thinking by reading people who use/used that label. it seems a lot of anarchists have exposure to civ-critical ideas but are unwilling to adopt "dangerous ideas" like they aren't already extremists in the eyes of society, because they don't wanna be cast out of the scene.

I feel like theres something about like christian "sinful thoughts" in this sentiment, and also i get it being anti-civ and just never sharing the full extent of my beliefs with leftists i lived with.

[elbiotipo]

Why do otherwise principled communists actually tolerate any of the anticivs on this website? Anticiv is an inherently reactionary ideology who’s only claim to fame is terrorism and ignoring the existence of disabled people

I mean, plenty of people do mock them. Besides, it's not like this website is run by a Communist party, I mean, you can't really ban them on command can you? In any case, I think it's better to talk and debate with them to find a better framework, but I think that of most everyone.

I think anticivs are "popular" (I doubt they represent a fraction of a 1% anywhere) in the anglo internet because... I don't know how to say this, but they have this tendency go from one extreme from another? In the sense that they hear about global warming and they're "WELL I SUPPOSE WE ARE KILLING THE PLANET WE HAVE NO CHOICE TO TEAR DOWN INDUSTRIAL CIVILIZATION". You can see a lot of this "extremism" in other topics. I think it's more like teenage rebellion (though some are a bit too old to engage in that)

Still, calling it "extremism" is a bit unfair, because besides a couple very notorious exceptions, it almost never goes further than twitter threads and blog posts. And yes, it's ironic that virtually all anti-civs and anprims I've heard about are from the internet. I guess there might be some true believers in a cabin in a forest somewhere.

[loving-n0t-heyting]

the real reason anprim is ableist is it's anti-autistic to get rid of trains

The lack of imagination with which you take industrial civilisations threat to the biosphere is damning. Why do you assume the existence of trains necessarily requires extractive oppressive automation? You could also have, for example, ppl ride on the back of chains of roughly train-shaped dinosaurs saying something like “Hey, it’s a living”