#anti Jafael

[timothyslucy]

this is just one prime example why jane never should have ended up with rafael.

[nona-gay-simus]

Jane The Virgin was a show I absolutely loved once and now has zero rewatch-ability value, entirely because of its last season. Like, which part should I be excited about exactly?

- the incredibly downer subplot about Jane's mother getting breast cancer?

- watching the smart and capable Hermione get stuck with a teenage boy in the body of a grown adult she has to parent nearly as much as her actual child and the show telling me that's her happy ending bc he's hot and they have great sex?

("But they always planned it that way!" a) I don't care. b) plans change and c) if they wanted me to root for them, they should have done some work on his character instead of taking away any of his development for the sake of cheap drama)

- watching the guy she should have ended up with be another worse character, just to get his memories back in time to get his heart broken and end up in an insulting consolation prize ending by knocking up a woman who should have definitely been a lesbian

- watching the first lesbian the show introduced and the only addict rep be constantly mistreated by the narrative and be the only character without a partner at the end? (Not that you need a relationship to be happy, but she was THE ONLY ONE) She didn't even get a scene bonding with the other queer women

Like wow, much good, so excite

[myheartburnsthere-too]

Spot the diff

This is hands down the best video I’ve ever seen!

[strideofpride]

super random comparison, but recently i’ve been getting into the show jane the virgin, and the way that fandom talks about jane is exactly the same way the gossip girl fandom talks about dan and vanessa, and it’s lowkey making me crazy. like every other jtv post is “unpopular opinion, but does anyone else HATE jane villanueva? she’s such a judgmental hypocrite!!! yes the other characters commit actual crimes regularly and constantly treat other people like shit, but aT lEaSt ThEy OwN iT!!!1!!” like idk but the double standard here drives me insane - god forbid a “good” character has any actual flaws, ESPECIALLY if the flaw is judging people’s problematic faves lmao. idk i know like dan/vanessa and jane are obviously pretty different (save the whole writer thing), but the discourse about them is so similar i feel like if i just deleted the names in the posts about them no one would be able to tell the difference lol

Me? Getting involved in JTV discourse in 2022? It’s more likely than you think!

No, you’re so right anon! Actually, I think there are a lot of similarities between Dan and Jane especially. Like their judgmental nature and their outsider status to the wealthy worlds they have to enter and their grounded worlds with their families…and then yes of course they’re both the Writer and they see their lives as Narratives (although Jane and Blair share some traits with that too).

And then there’s not as much between Jane and Vanessa, but they’re both poor WOC which automatically puts them in a precarious position in fandom where they must be perfect otherwise they’re going to get absurd amounts of hate.

Also going back to Jane and Blair actually, I think part of it is that they were both in self insert ships with the Billionaire Dream Boyfriend the showrunner was in love with and the fandom woobified so anytime Jane didn’t coodle Rafael it became “Jane’s not good enough for Rafael anymore, she doesn’t deserve him, she’s treating him like garbage” while Rafael could rarely do wrong.

[the-paris-of-people]

Okay so my revised answer to this post, is that I would much rather have a benvi endgame. If they don’t end up together I am going to be SO MAD! Like I have never loved a fictional couple as much as I do them.

ME TOOO!!! They are my favorite fictional couple of all time and after watching s3, the show is really building them to end up together WHILE Devi continues on her self-love journey (which I absolutely adore) and since now I'm like 99% sure there's a benvi endgame, I would be distraught if we didn't get one, whereas I lived through a jafael endgame (BLETCH) and just didn't watch the show. Also, Kay I am calling it rn that they are going to release the show in June (earlier end of summer) because I realized other shows like You have release dates ready for March.

[eatsleepchill]

I remember and I'm still pissed too.

remember when jennie urman was so pissed that her whole cast was vocally team michael and so insecure with the endgame she had in mind that she had to bring michael back from the dead only to stomp her feet all over villadero? ‘cause i do. and i’m still mad. 

[thefabulousfab-3]

The fact that so many daxtons also ship jafael is just so telling to me.

[cordero-villanueva]

thinking about how j*nnie snyder-urman literally killed her own show by bringing back michael and absolutely ruining his character and his and jane’s love story, all the while detonating j*fael by making r*fael be the most toxic tv boyfriend since ch*ck b*ss and d*mon s*lvatore and expecting us to still believe he was jane’s first choice the whole time, even when he was actively gaslighting and manipulating her the entire last season. now whenever most people talk about jtv it’s almost always negatively. it’s had no lasting impact. no one ever says: ‘hey, you know what show you should watch??’ about jtv.

and obviously, jtv’s short lifespan in the cultural zeitgeist is not all because of the last series and how bad it was. but man. some choices were MADE huh.

[noncanonfan]

When you ask for a coke 

And they say, “is Pepsi okay?” 

[georgianadarcies]

I loved michael and jane!! Jane truly would never have chosen rafael if he hadnt ‘died’ plus I didn’t like that the show brought him back as a way to show jane choosing rafael over him

I totally agree omg like I truly think the writers just...couldn’t make up their minds because while they claim it was always going to be rafael...if that’s true then they did a really shitty job??? jane chose michael, told him it was always him, they were married, he was like a father to her son, and then he died which was sad but at least the ending was respectful towards him?? like even rafael would toast to his memory. but then I think the writers were like oh, shit, she’s only with rafael cause michael died, so we gotta fix that! and then they brought him back and teased the cordueva shippers and then used him as a prop for jafael which is just...super disrespectful and it felt like they were spitting in our faces lol jennie snyder urman or whatever her name is is a war criminal

[padmeisqueen]

💩💣

I know these are unpopular opinions but 🤷🏼‍♀️

💩 Ship that you find disgusting: Chuck x Blair and it’s mainly because I find his character disgusting (esp since episode one where he tried forcing himself on two girls). The ship isn’t without cute moments, but often makes me uncomfortable at times.

💣 Ship that pisses you off: Jane x Rafael, but let me explain! I was actually getting on board with them, but bringing Michael back just to discredit his and Jane’s relationship and make her “choose” Rafael really annoys me. And Raf just went back to his terrible traits (like getting mad because Jane needed time to cope with her dead husband coming back???) If I get on a roll it really frustrates me.

Send me a controversial shipping ask

[msleah]

I don't understand how anyone can root for a pairing that only happened because another person suffered. Michael was kidnapped, tortured, mentally abused and robbed of his life!! And that's the only reason why Jane and Rafael got together. Some of you are sick y'all

[justanoutlawfic]

what are your hard pass ships?

Captain Swan, Swan Queen, Jafael, Brucas, Neyton, Luisa x Rose, Kophie and anything incest in any fandom

[natlover4ever]

My ships are almost never endgame bc I usually prefer the less popular ships.

I seriously love ships that are more compatible & similar to each other (and wholesome & sweet to each other), than opposites attract or a ship that’s unrequited until the other person “finally” changes their mind. I usually find those ships toxic (not judging anyone for shipping them though) and people find my favorite ships boring lol.

Like this is my list compared to the popular (and usually endgame) ships:

-Stalia over Stydia

-Cordueva over Jafael

-Matlingsworth over Zaya

-Callie/Aaron over Brallie (not endgame thankfully bc they’re siblings) and currently hating the popular but politically opposite Callie/Jamie. Although Aaron also got kind of toxic during the AJ love triangle, so I’m hoping she finds someone new in Good Trouble.

And the show is still going but:

-Zimon over Zoemax

Any time a character (usually a guy) gets angry at his friend (usually a girl) for not being with him or for dating someone else, I immediately stop shipping them. It feels possessive, not romantic.

I don’t like the “dogged nice guy” trope, so that’s why I only like friends to lovers when the feelings are mutual, not when one person is pining for years.

Again I respect all shippers and understand wanting more excitement in a ship, but I notice a pattern of which ships I prefer and which ones I can’t stand 💀

To add to this, this is why I don’t automatically ship friends to lovers. It depends on the situation. If it’s mutual pining, I ship it, or if one person has a crush but accepts rejection and staya friends, then I’ll ship it (or enjoy it as a friendship). But if the person with a crush responds to rejection with anger (which Zig, Brandon, Max, and Rafael have all done imo), I get whiny “friend zone” vibes and won’t ship it lol. Stiles I think was a good example of handling rejection, but I enjoyed their friendship and loved Stalia a lot so it was hard for me to appreciate stydia.

[l-is-for-loser]

Reasons to ship Jane and Michael:

They are best friends

Rogelio ships it

Xo ships it

Jane and Michael care about family so so much

Michael kept Abuela from getting deported 

Michael saved Rogelio from his kidnapper 

Mateo called Michael 'dada' (his first word ever btw)

Jane and Michael's first kiss was  m a g i c ! Both of them felt it.

Michael supports Jane no matter what

Michael gives the best advice (to Jane, and everyone else)

"I guess we'll have to wait until we're married then"

He said his vows in Spanish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She lost her virginity to him

He makes her laugh

Locked Out Of Heaven.

They communicate and solve problems by  t a l k i n g  to each other as adults!!!!!!!

He'll never stop believing they belong together (until his dying breath)

Michael makes Jane feel safe, in the best way.

Jane chose him.

He wants her to be happy.

Reasons to ship Jane and Rafael:

Rafael is her baby daddy I guess???

[strideofpride]

ah! jane and michael!! taste !!! even after michael **** i was not a fan of jafael, sorry! they had their merits but i always wanted michael back !

I always wanted Michael back too, up until they did bring him back and I was like “wait, no, not like this”. Like the way Jennie did it just felt soooo disrespectful. Like instead of leaving him dead and telling a story about finding love again after grief, about how we could love multiple people in our lifetime and that doesn’t mean any of them were worth less than the other, it was like Jennie was committed to erasing everything Michael meant to Jane and NEEDED Raf to be Jane’s “ONE TWUE LOVE” or whatever. It was really gross actually and I’ll never get over it. Fun fact, GG and JTV were both shows where watching the final season felt like a goddamn chore and I actively felt relieved to be done with them when I finally finished which uh…is not the reaction you want a viewer to walk away from your show with.