#angela ives

[thatonesongyouretryingtoremember]

OKAY I finally found the original post about Angela being Jane Ives and an alternate timeline El so I'm gonna link it here then go over some key points on both sides!

most of the against points are based on the original post by the lovely @/henrysglock, who is definitely the reason I'm considering every angle on this! but a couple are just me.

[This is also within Timeline Theory, there's a few different blogs about this which I'll gladly link if anyone stumbles upon this and needs catching up]

AGAINST:

Angela doesn't have any specific references to timelines, clocks, alternate universes, etc. tied with her that I know of except that she wears a watch, like so many characters do anyways. honestly the fact Angela isn't coated to hell and back in multiverse imagery should count as line, three reasons, because everyone ends relevant is SO heavily coded.

Yes the watch is her inverse version of the timememoryfuckery Sara hairband, but this could simply be to indicate the presence of timememoryfuckery with Sara in the first place.

There are other things her presence could narratively suggest, including foreshadowing for mothergate via Sleepaway Camp [I hope I got that right?] [Side note the fact Edward and El BOTH had to pretend to be someone and that fakeness is represented by Angela for them both is sO juicy]

Literally what is she doing in California if she's a number???

Does she have psionic sensitivity passed down from Terry and if so how did she not recognize El for what she is? (and vice versa- though that can be explained by El's lack of powers)

The reason El and Angela have visual parallels is because El was copying Angela, and the reason they're opposites is because El can never truly become normal like Angela or her Jane persona.

For:

It is very clear that El is not Jane/ El is not the birth daughter of Terry Ives, there's already other posts on this.

the watch is her version of El's hair band from Hopper that belonged to Sara- and isn't there a shitton of timeline/memory fuckery there?

There's little backstory for Angela. it's very clear there is something she is afraid of/something going on that motivates her, but what is it?

^^even for a similar one-season character, Troy, we actually see his mother and learn that he is afraid of losing face and disappointing her or being a victim of bullying

She parallels 002 visually, not exactly a point for or against, but sus as fuck.

Her behavior also resembles 002. She wants to scapegoat El and be the teachers favorite kid just like 002- but what is Angela afraid of? Where did she learn this behavior? every other antagonist has a very clear reason for acting like they do EXCEPT HER. We don't even know who called the police on El for her!

Visual parallels between El and Angela, but Angela is the opposite version because she's from a different timeline!

Why make Angela's outfits parallel Karen and Virginia of she isn't a Creel? [based on the Karen is Virginia theory via @/aemiron-main]

Angela is fixated on Hopper, which I just personally think is giving lab-kid.

Her name is ANGELA for fuck's sake!! Angels in ST have a positive connotation, with Mike being banned after one, with Max singing about one to El (foreshadowing El helping her live) and Victor saying an angel saved him, so WHY would Angela be named that unless there's more to find out? I speculate that this is in relation to Terry's locked-in syndrome, since she asked for Jane to come home, but it could also be in reference to El being an 'angel' via Max.

The whole point of having multiple versions of Henry/Edward is the themes of how a similarly situated person can become a totally different person based on circumstance, how the world/the pressures of society wants to squash people, and those stresses turn out different people, rather than them inherently being one thing from the get-go. in the case of Henward, every version of them has thus been shrouded in mystery, but Angela is super clearly there existing so the show could use her as a very clear/consise easy of initially delivering that theme along with peeling back several hundred layers of henward bullshit. what could hammer home the "nobody is inherently evil or fundamentally good" theme than showing everyone a universally hated girlbitch with a kill count of zero and a rage-and-sorrow filled mostergirl with the soul of a puppy and the personality of a saint and forcing them both to face how similar they really are? I phrased this super badly but basically they're built to prove a point and it would be so badass if the writers pulled this off.

A while truckload of stuff with her hair color that already has a few posts on it [mostly also courtesy of @/henrysglock I believe ] [including some on how it works with the timeline stuff in general and some about El and Jane specifically]

I honestly give this theory a 50/50 chance since it isn't a specific plotline or lore, but rather a possibility within a likely lore theory, if that makes sense. Like if ANY variation of Angela being Terry's daughter or a lab kid or an alt El or anything similar would count to me, I'm just looking at many possibilities that I think coexist. The one thing I know for sure is that she's more important than she's letting on, so more than anything I'm open to the theory changing if I find out another compelling reason why Angela is important. I am super curious because I think her and El's relationship as foils is sO fascinating as well as having more potential.

[angelbymadonna]

Stranger Things Agender pride icons!

[Bc I'm agender and it's our day]

Angela Ives and El Hopper are agender!

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[jainasolo1233]

HAS ANYONE HEARD ABOUT THE ANGELA IVES THEORY!!??

It's insane and far-fetched, but I love it!

[swingstep]

...If that is what you say.

[weregonnabecoolbeans]

Who else is positively shaking with excitement about Cinderella’s Castle right now despite not having tickets and living so incredibly far away that you couldn’t even have gone if you tried 😌

[gracieblood]

@thatonesongyouretryingtoremember COME LOOK AT ALL THE REBLOGS

“stop sexualising el and mike, they’re 14!”

no. as of season 4, mike is 14, but el is 15 (if you believe she’s jane ives). thank you for listening. enjoy your day and don’t sexualise 14 and 15 year olds.

[spiritoast]

my favorite coming-of-age teen sitcom

[lautity]

some angela Expressions from the funeral roast halftime show

[xmoonlitxdreamx]

idk just de-stressing by doodling

[thatonesongyouretryingtoremember]

Swapped, you say? Well it's not like there's someone we've seen who we are mistaking for El...

at this point it'd genuinely be a more shocking plot twist for me if El is not Henry's kid.

@henrysglock and/or @aemiron-main some Creeler crumbs for you. which sounds like a short lived promotional breakfast cereal

[thatonesongyouretryingtoremember]

Still can't get over the fact that El was going on about how she was at home with her Mama and Terry's response was literally "No. Find MY Jane you shitty knockoff." LIKE THAT'S ACTUAL CANON

[badatwritingstuff]

Actually it's okay to be happy for ke huy quan for his win and be mad that he was plummeted into obscurity and unemployment for so long that he lost his health insurance in the middle of a pandemic and feel good that Michelle yeoh won and liked Jamie lee curtis roasting ant man on Twitter but still KNOW that angela Bassett deserved to win over her all while knowing that the Oscars was created for union-busting reasons, because why not? Who is stopping me???

[babychosen]

holy shit improv angela dump

also angela looking lovingly at jeremy

actual live footage of angela flirting

[swingstep]

so i saw that angela does not have a shimeji yet. ... fixed it :)

ta-da!! now you can have a tiny little library director running around your screen, free of charge!! ^w^ she is very polite and will only steal your windows Sometimes. its ok, she is allowed.

link will be provided in the replies of this post; godspeed, have fun, and cherish your local angela today! 🎉✨

[hoohoobeanie]

just to stop the feeling

[moviemandyy]

YOU GUYS!! AMANDA MENTIONED MY AMANGELA EDIT ON SMOSH MOUTH OH MY GOD 😭