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JK reading, BTS thoughts, trip to Korea notes

Second attempt 12/20/24: Since JK did a live, I was curious to do a reading for him. I did one the day before, and I had some kind of dark commentary for it. And then I was like well maybe something I read influenced how I'm viewing this. So I'll show you the original spread.

I will try to sum up that reading as ultimately JK having a vibe of being a truth seeker or a truth revealer and maybe even attempting to call somebody out. Not like a group of people, but it actually felt like he was trying to prove a point to somebody or send a message to somebody in particular. But, I'm just going to call that whole reading a wash even though I spent 2 hours writing it out.

This reading is long and you can skip the part about my trip to Korea (I've marked it in brackets) to get to the reading. If you like reading long stuff about JK and BTS, maybe it'll be interesting.

apologies for typos or weird confusing words bc i use voice to text while staring at the cards

tarot isn't a science; don't use it as fact; i'm just reading and interpreting the cards the best i can

opinions on bts, the fandom, and anything related to bts are my own and not especially serious (they're musings at best).

Tonight, I just pulled some cards. Both times I at least put the live on as I shuffled

I mean I find this just a little bit more bleak than a couple of days ago in terms of what cards came out. But let's kind of walk through what we have now. The tower I saw earlier as I was shuffling, so I'm not really surprised it came out. I should probably look and see what planets are doing what

When I get a serious card like the tower, my brain usually goes more to okay is Mars doing something. So Mars is actually Leo, retrograde right now and since we have Leo at the back of the deck with the strength card, I am obviously going to share the lesson of that moment

Asserting yourself also makes sense with this Knight of wands and Knight of swords kind of acting like they are swooping into save people from disaster, granted they could also be the cause of it because if they are from two different houses or two different countries and they're causing kind of disaster while fighting or trying to assert themselves or whatever. Especially when you have one who is about fire and one who is about air and then when you combine them it should be stronger. But let's not read into that too much yet because basically we have what it seems to me in both cases if you pair them up and look at them one is heading toward a burning building and the other one is swooping in to save people who are out in the snow

What I also get is a sense of isolation and loneliness. This could just be from literally being isolated in the military. I'm not saying that he's particularly lonely, but given the action of coming live and saying I miss you a thousand times, I think there was a feeling that I keep wanting to call a gap. So I feel a lot of anxiousness behind wanting to do this live and to not just do that but to to assert something, when you have a sword court card, you might say it's about communication and being blunt and honest, when you have a fire Court card, there's a passion or desire to say something

And to me this could be somebody who is either putting out a fire or a disaster in some way through words and having an eagerness to like do something about it but maybe feeling kind of helpless about it. Or someone who in doing that causes some type of tower experience. And honestly it could probably be a combination of both. Like when you rush in to save somebody and then you cause some other accident along the way

But that's not the intention so I'm not going to read it that way. I just see somebody rushing in very bravely to assert themselves and having a desire to say something with the intention of trying to help or trying to I keep wanting to say disaster, but it's only because I'm looking at the tower card.

And really I had similar things to say about his previous reading in that this is somebody who was trying to create some healing, who wanted to or has the energy of a wise teacher.

I don't know if I want to say that he's rushing into something without a lot of thought but that is literally what it feels like. But there's no kind of like doubt. But whether that doubt is in himself or if he needs to do something about the situation. Actually I don't feel any doubt about wanting to do something about the situation. But I feel like an awkwardness because of that gap I mentioned earlier. I guess I would kind of equate it to let's say there's this famous soldier let's say it's Hercules or something. And everybody loved him in the village and he had done a lot of good things and a lot of people liked him but then he went on this trip for a long time for like a couple of years or something. So he hasn't particularly changed if anything maybe he's gained new experiences

But when he comes back to the village there's a sense of awkwardness about how he will be received. He's not like confident or doubtful in himself, he's just anticipating some weirdness.

Also I'm coughing a lot which is weird because when I did his first reading, I got a really bad stomach ache. And I haven't been coughing all day although I live in the desert so there's sand everywhere and you cough a lot here. So I wonder if he's in an area where the air pollution is worse than what he's used to. Which would make sense if he's back in the city. Which by the way do you mind if I take a brief moment to talk about something? I wrote about in another post that I was going to accompany the cards with or maybe I started talking about it and then did the cards and it just became too long.

[trip anecdote and BTS musings starts here]

Recently, I went to Korea. It was after I had been in Japan for like a week and a half and then I flew to Busan around jimin's birthday. If I haven't mentioned this before he's my bias. I have mentioned that and it should be obvious. Originally JK was my bias and then I just gradually started to relate more to jimin but I find both of them interesting especially their senses of humor.

We will call it a pilgrimage and I'll spare you all the details I tried to share in the other post. But basically I had been really sick before my vacation and almost didn't go because I came down with this crazy serious infection because of an antibiotic that I had been given. But I managed to go and being away from work actually helped regardless of if I was recovering. I went to Busan and I won't tell you that people were friendly there in Korea in general. In Japan, yes. That's besides the point. I think it was the second day I arrived, I went to jimin's Dad's Cafe. I had a horrible experience on the bus ride there because the bus driver was not very nice. And so I got off at a stop and I walked the rest of the way. So I was a little upset and it was rainy and I didn't have an umbrella. And I went into the cafe and I had the typical fangirl experience you would expect to have

There were flowers outside and then there were a lot of flowers and gifts inside since it had just been his birthday. It was a lot larger than I expected and it had a parking lot. I don't know why that surprises me. And I got a really good latte and piece of cake. There was younger staff working at the register. And they had a lot of merchandise. I'm not going to lie to you the merchandise is kind of ugly because it has this mascot of a calico cat. And even if JM drew it himself, I'm not going to lie. That didn't stop me from buying a lot of it. A lot of the clothing is either purple and yellow or black and white. And it has his tattoos on it. Like spells them out or has the number 13. And it was such a nice experience because I sat by one of the windows facing a parking lot and I was like oh I wonder if his dad is here because there was a super nice car in the parking lot.

And I will say that I am pretty sure I saw him because I was out in the parking lot waiting for a taxi that I wasn't able to get to and he had parked and was walking in and there were people taking photos and he kind of waved like they were taking photos of him and I mean he looked like how pictures of his dad looks. And then since I missed my taxi I had to go back in so by the time I came out again and was waiting for an Uber, he was coming out to get into his car and leave again. And I won't tell you the model but it was nice

And it was such a nice experience. Did I cry? Yes. Because it was so meaningful to me and I had gone through so much in being sick and then to be able to get this far. And I had already traveled a lot by myself so I was getting tired and again people were not very nice there. My Korean is very limited which didn't matter much in Japan as in not knowing tons of Japanese although I knew far more than I know my Korean.

So anyway it was healing. And so I want to say you know that family you could expect maybe that are they exploiting their kids Fame or something but it wasn't like that. It was more like creating a safe space for important people. What made me understand this even more I think was when I went to Seoul I had a tattoo appointment with polyc

And I'd like to share more details about that than I'm going to, so I will just say. His English is not fluent by any means. I thought a manager would be there to translate. It was early in the morning and by fate the address ended up being close to the hotel I'd already booked. So I could just walk there. But I was very confused once I got to the building because it's a residential area. So I was like okay which way do I go from here. I waited since he messaged and said he was on his way. And I had been turned away so when he said hi I turned to him and I thought oh my God. The man is absolutely beautiful in real life. Like he had celebrity vibes which I wasn't expecting or had even thought about. Just a stunning guy with a lot of presence.

And keep in mind, in the communications like my emails to reserve the appointment and photos or drawings, I never mentioned BTS. I'm pretty sure my little avatar for my email is actually Naruto. And my tattoo was in no way BTS related. And I didn't want to make him feel like I was going there just to talk about BTS or get information about BTS from him. It was a spiritual thing plus I guess I just wanted him to do this tattoo

But no I wouldn't have gone if I hadn't heard about him through BTS and since he's jimin's tattoo artist I mean yeah put two and two together. I'm not trying to be slick. But, when we sat down and we couldn't really communicate exactly, he was trying to say that I had a lot of ideas because I'd sent a lot of photos for inspiration although I had also done the drawing for it and even put it on my body and taken a photo. So I knew what I wanted but I was sending him stuff to inspire him but that was also when I thought it would work like he would do a design and send it to me and then I would say fix this or this. But what ended up happening is you go there and discuss it with him in person and then he designs it on the spot

So I was trying not to be offended the way that he worded it but then he was like after he had already asked me if I liked BTS and I was like yes of course I like BTS. I was wearing a BTS hoodie but you wouldn't know that from looking at it it just says tour on the back and very tiny writing on the front. I'm sure he just knew because he said he had a lot of BTS fans there since j-hope was getting out of the military. So I had said yes of course. Then he asked me my favorite and I was like well you can't really ask a true fan that question. But I was like well I would say jimin and I also like JK and then I like all of them of course. But right away he said well I'm closest to jimin and Jungkook only. And I didn't really say anything I was just like yes I know LOL. I guess I was trying to play it cool. But later on, you know after telling me that it was obvious it was my first tattoo

He was like you know jimin's tattoos are all simple and just those words, except the tattoo on his back. Which his words not mine. But then with JK I have to tell him stop stop you know it's too much hold back. And I was like you actually told JK to hold back good luck with that. I don't think he's managed to hold him back. But basically he was going into this conversation about trying to talk me out of the placement of it because he thought what if I didn't like it later or if I got tired of it because he said he was tired of his first tattoo and didn't like it. And I was like I didn't come all this way to get a tattoo from you and pay this much to hide it. And I tried to express that but I mean it was lost in translation for sure. He's a very serious guy as an artist and I think very particular and very defensive of his art. Which there's nothing wrong with that. Since he doesn't speak that much English, I would put him at equivalent with maybe jk's language ability. But maybe JK is actually a bit better

And so you know I tried not to take offense in the way that he worded things because it came across really blunt. Also this was almost 3 weeks into my trip by myself and having multiple negative experiences in Korea so I was like not going to really fight anything. I was tired. And I never really nosed about in his studio to look at all the BTS paraphernalia but what I wanted to say in relation to the cafe space is that he seemed completely open and expecting to talk about BTS. It made me feel like he expected and had no problem with talking about that without feeling as though you were taking advantage of him because he has a close relationship with them. I honestly think that if you spoke Korean or were just interested as long as your questions were respectful, he would give you that space to appreciate them and had no problem with it. So what this has to do with a cafe is if it's cultural or just people who know BTS and how those relationships have formed

Those two places had no problem sharing that space knowing that it was a connection for a lot of people to BTS. You would kind of think in the west especially with Western celebrities, they really appreciate their privacy, they would probably be more wary of people close to them taking advantage of a relationship. We've seen that happen with Western artists taking advantage of BTS or the Grammys or whatever. But I can say for sure in the particular instances of the cafe and polyc, these have been curated as safe spaces. Made with respect to fans. Is this a lecture about events happening in the fandom right now? Possibly. but a lot of care has gone into acknowledging what a fan base has done to elevate the group and there's genuine affection there. So it does make me wonder if being careful not to hurt anybody ever is part of something the group has agreed with for the most part

I don't want to get too into that because that's making assumptions. Because to me the safe space concept was something I wouldn't have really known about until I visited. And that's just my analysis of those experiences. I mean that doesn't mean you can go to their private homes or stalk their family members or disrupt anybody's social media or send nasty messages. That's something completely separate from willfully creating these neutral spaces. That I think are mostly made out of genuine love and affection and appreciation and just a desire to do it.

But I have often wondered what the group has said in terms of how much they want to say when they are unhappy with a situation involving our fandom. Is it out of respect and I guess what's the word I want to use, not patience but no desire to cause a controversy. Maybe it's perplexing to think a member might not speak out directly about something, but maybe they're also speaking out in a way that's not as direct as you would expect. Or that they see conflict differently now.

And are you sure, there's a conversation they have at one of the restaurants where jimin talks about how he and the group used to get angry very easily over things and now they've pretty much emptied out so they don't really fight or get as upset about things anymore. I imagine that meant more than fighting with each other but just about things in general and I'm sure that includes stuff that happens in the industry and stuff that happens in fandom. I think it's probably very difficult sometimes for them to not speak out or defend each other, but it's clearly something that they've agreed on that it would stir the pot more. And you have to respect that that is something that they have decided. JK has clearly come out and been a little bit more vocal than usual about some things, even almost political. But I mean several of the members have come out and said negative things either jabs at people in the industry or alluding to things. Namjoon has done that, suga has done it, Tae has done it.

They all have spoke their mind at some point but I just think there's agreement among the group to handle certain situations in a certain way unless it's absolutely called for to make some type of public statement. And if you are a fan you can look back and see the situations in which that happened. And maybe you can wonder why a public comment was necessary for that but whatever.

My point being that these are very smart individuals who know how the industry works and have probably seen the worst and best of people. And they continue to see the worst of people, and maybe they have their own ways of dealing with it. It's not a shock or new to them I'm sure. I would be genuinely surprised at this point if that were true. But I think maybe some of them itch to do something about it. I feel like JK is the youngest one probably and the most rebellious...

It's probably very difficult for him to stand by and see anything happen, so I do think he intentionally does certain things like if it's an Instagram post or doing a live at a certain time, is there the possibility of an ulterior motive or I shouldn't say it like ulterior motive but there's a point to it. And sometimes I think that point is not for the general viewership and maybe that's because he's thinking not everybody is aware or not everybody cares, but that doesn't mean that showing up and saying certain things isn't at least symbolic which seems to be good enough for him.

He doesn't have to be cryptic on purpose I think. I think he chooses to be. But at the same time I find him very straightforward because even though I haven't watched the full thing yet, I noticed that he said don't come to my house and don't send packages. These words were very intentional and obvious. And I think that the actual message here was respect us and our privacy and know when not to cross those lines but without scolding. Because he is apparently expecting people to grow and to learn and to respect what he says even though a lot of people don't.

But they have decided that a knee-jerk reaction or an emotional reaction or plea isn't what they want to do or what is required. I think it's like a gentle scolding or parenting technique. Where you hint at it and give the person a chance to think about what they're doing. In reality, do I think that works? I don't know. Probably not really. And I do kind of wonder if maybe it's a cultural way of handling conflict. You don't say don't do this it's bad. I think I was just reading a post today about the Korean language and how how the way Jimin speaks in particular has a lot of words to soften the blow if he says something harsh or a different opinion right. So you have to consider maybe this is a cultural way of handling conflict. They aren't going to be direct about it. But anyway that's an assumption on my part

I guess I kind of feel the same way. I'm not a BTS blog but BTS is a big part of my life not as much as maybe a few years before but still very significant. And when I first started doing tarot, I would mostly practice on the members. Because I enjoy it and I think they have cool energy and I'm curious about them as people

[back to the reading]

In saying all that, let's get back to the reading

Since I already forgot about the cards

And having shared all that I think the cards make sense now. You have somebody who has a passion desire to communicate the truth and is moving swiftly to take that kind of action. The other cards clearly represent trouble or disaster or like a foundation crumbling and then the five of pentacles is also discard about looking for help but not really being able to find it, a sense of hopelessness or loneliness, it can even be an issue with literal financial loss or grievances

And it could be that whatever this disaster is that's happened, could have some type of financial backlash or loss and so an element he has of trying to come into help could have to do with somebody else feeling left out, somebody losing money, somebody being put out of their home. Basically there could literally be some financial repercussions involved in whatever bad news happened. But mostly I just feel like it's somebody who who feels as strong desire to be a hero. But without lempty bravado. It's more like somebody who reacts very quickly to it without a lot of thought. And I do think an element of it has to do with clear communication, principles, facts, somebody acting in their truth or wanting to reveal the truth or speak the truth and speak the truth passionately and with courage

I'm going to clarify before I move on to the articles not articles oracles whatever. I write articles for my job so slip of the tongue. So first I want to clarify the tower card obviously

Well that just tells us yeah. Five of cups. So definitely something that has feelings of disappointment and sadness, I would say it's a past event. It could also go back to what happens during this time with the Mars retrograde and somebody looking back and reflecting on things that didn't work out in the past as well but with the knight energy coming through it makes me feel like okay definitely this energy of what are you going to do to change it

Let's keep clarifying. Knight of wands gets the Knight of pentacles. Maybe I'm being cheeky but just for a second when I said the word night and my autocorrect always says night as an evening instead of the actual knight so I have to correct it... Bam's name, bahm, means night and that's a black horse so I'm just going to throw that in there as well. This could be that he's actually going to see bam. I'm also aware that people got on that Instagram and said not nice things so this could just be another part of the story. Five of pentacles, I got three of swords and six of pentacles. This is exactly what six of pentacles means right. There's disappointment about not receiving help from somewhere, especially in regard to physical things like finances or I mean it could be all kinds of stuff like health or a contract or something. It doesn't really matter but there's a sense of not receiving or disappointment or sadness around something that was it physical experience.

For me, the three of swords is often a retrograde card as well so I think it's validating that the retrograde has played a large part in this particular event or jk's feelings on the event or lately and even maybe like what has led parts of society lately to be kind of unhinged. Whether it's somebody shooting a CEO or a fandom going to attack people's social media or in your own life feeling like things are falling apart to the extreme or being really angry or having severe mental health issues right now. Especially revolving around things in which you have felt helpless or powerless. So when you are feeling powerless, the lesson you have to learn is how to assert yourself. And maybe during the retrograde people are asserting themselves in all kinds of crazy ways

So I think JK also influenced by this energy rather than do anything negative in particular like some people are, resolved to assert himself in a healthy way by showing up in a live and being present and whatever message he wanted to convey, it's subtle or maybe to others it's not subtle. But everything indicates to me that he had a desire to do something and in doing this, he felt like he was making a point or helping a situation or other people by quickly doing something and it being from a place of Truth or principal or passion

And I do think like he said at some point right that he thought that he could heal people. And in my original reading for him I talked a lot about how this is somebody who is in the cycle of healing people because he has his own wounds and people who have wounds know how to help other people thanks. Even though I think sometimes those people he tries to heal are a little bit a part of the wounds. I don't think he really sees it that way. I think when he hurts, his instinct is to help. And in helping why would he be scolding anybody because his actual motive is to heal. His answer to when people do bad things to him or the people he cares about, seems to be to love harder. And that includes the fandom. It's very jesus-like LOL

Let me clarify that last card and we will laugh if we get the last knight card

I did not, I got the Justice card which makes sense as a clarification card for a knight of swords right. This is another point we can read everything that's been clarifying the cards has been the exact meaning of the cards so no room for misinterpretation. Very straightforward. Justice card is about balance and truth and doing the right thing and principles, it's the Libra card. I think he has a Venus and Libra but I can't remember for sure so don't quote me. That would definitely make me think of somebody who shows they care by being fair and doing the right thing for them in the sense of like what's good and right. Could a Libra also be a person that he is standing up for in this moment? Well yeah.

Could there be something in Libra right now sure probably maybe I don't know.

I wonder too if literally there's an issue with a building. Like disappointment with the new house or if this is a predictor for the future that there might be something that happens to his home or somebody's home. Home could be like the cafe or something but as far as I know the only thing that happened had to do with social media. My vibe is actually something happening to a physical space. This should be in the past though given that the five of cups came out. Maybe something recently happened that his last home like if somebody did something to that house. It could be that moving is just a little bit sad. It could be that in the near future, something happens to his new house or the cafe like physically somebody doing something to it whether it's like breaking a window or graffiti. But the more I look at it, the more I just feel strongly this is in the past. I'm not saying this is going to happen in the future but it is like this did just happen to a physical space and it was disappointing and hurtful and whatever. Even the five of pentacles kind of backs that up because those are people that don't have a place to go or a safety place

I mean it could have been something that happens in the military too. I don't know. It's just a feeling like somebody was physically displaced from a space that you would consider a home or somewhere they go or has meaning but it's a physical building or room or something. And I feel like people were displaced for a while. I don't really know what that is though. But there is a feeling of being left out in the cold. This could be a legal thing that maybe like a contract with a house fell through or legal action needs to be taken. Like almost like okay let's say if it was his new house or his old house or whoever's house, like the electrical wasn't done right or a contract wasn't done right or the financing wasn't done right and then legal action has to be taken and something has to be fixed. It doesn't feel like a big thing, that feels kind of minor. I hope. And it's feeling like it's related to electrical or the things that go into construction you know. But like I said I don't see that as a future thing, I feel like that happened and is somehow related to this as well? But why does it still feel like it could happen. I don't know

Let's talk about the oracle cards. So we have North node life's purpose and 41, which is a five so five tends to mean changes and challenges. It kind of reminds me of the Knight of wands. I don't know why but I'm also being reminded of NeverEnding story looking at the art on it. And in that movie, there's kind of like a kid sort of finding his purpose and this other character finding their purpose and then writing on this weird long dragon dog. Again dog is coming up. I wonder if like there was an issue at bam's kennel or something wherever he stays. Anyway. So I think this is somebody who their life purpose is about passion and kind of going forward without a lot of thought in their head okay which is something JK has said before so I can say that

And jm also said he kind of just lives by his instincts which is something that makes sense but even in doing that the thing is he does still have purpose to them.

And given the other cards it's somebody who understands or recognizes that their life purpose will involve helping people in some way. I think it is clear to him that it's helping people who feel like they don't belong or they feel excluded or isolated. Basically the black sheep which is something if you look at the fandom you can kind of tell that a lot of us don't always fit in and BTS was a way to fit in and I think JK recognizes that and understands that's part of his purpose so when he feels maybe like the fandom is down, he swoops in to try to save us or kind of vice versa as well when he is feeling down, he comes to us to feel better but maybe he just feels better through helping others.

It also reminds me of the Three of swords card as well. I'm getting a lot of fire. I don't think he has that much fire in his chart. I don't remember. I thought it was a lot of water and then maybe a fire Moon I also get the impression that this is somebody who wears their heart on their sleeve. Also don't take this the wrong way and it's very random but somebody who likes to really go around being shirtless and I'm not going to say naked cuz I can't see the bottom half of this figure but somebody who really enjoys being shirtless. And I also wonder if he'll start to grow out his hair as soon as he gets out of the military. I wonder if he sees himself a little bit like I don't want to say a dragon slayer because I don't think he would even hurt a dragon, maybe I should see this as a demon. It's just the thing in the back of the card but I don't feel animosity here I kind of feel like the thing is helping him. But I guess I strongly feel some bam stuff coming through. So I really think that he probably spent time with Bam lately

Let's clarify it though because why not

Nine of swords and technically six of swords reversed. This is somebody who has anxiety or worries around an incident in the past that they haven't quite moved on from. But that's sort of the point of this retrograde energy is to learn how to move on from situations like that so I think that's just telling us the plot. Somebody who learns to move on and handle those situations. Especially with like bravery and even becoming somebody who's like I don't give a f***. But that doesn't mean he can't still get sad or upset internally or whatever. That's all valid and he will always have moments like that but I think he's learning how to handle those situations and like I said it might not even affect him as much as you think because he's found this way to cope with it which is to help others. I'm not going to say all his coping mechanisms are healthy because I don't know the guy. And I don't know if it's healthy to focus on others when you hurt because it temporarily makes you feel better. But that's the solution he has come to I think.

The next card is Jupiter return benefits which is the 13 card or four reduced. This has a very sexy energy to it. It kind of goes with what I was saying about being shirtless. Because the person in the card actually there are two people and they seem to be in a very intimate situation well I guess it's Jupiter and well is it his wife or anyway I should probably look that up cuz it might be important to know hold on

Okay so his wife was Juno who also was his sister but anyway. And she was kind of a protector of wives I guess. So we again have a message about being a protector. Also the children or one of them between Juno and Jupiter was Mars. So again we have this Mars energy coming through. The card is sensual and it says the word benefits so put two and two together there kids this is a family blog

Homeboy has returned and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets lucky while on vacation. That's not like a secret or nosing into anything, zoom in on the card and you can see and you can read the word benefits and you can read the word return. But putting that aside because I say what I see, the Moon is about emotions and intuition. It'll be fun to clarify this card I'll tell you that. So what I get from this card before clarifying is... Wait is Jupiter just the Roman term for Zeus. So like the big guy. Also apparently Jupiter was unfaithful or they had an open marriage that wasn't really like open it was like a one-sided openness. I'm not bringing that into this conversation. Because all I see here are Jupiter and probably Juno under the moon and in bed and naked

I want to talk about the number a little bit. I won't talk about the number 13 but I will talk about four being a number of stability and nine to me is always somebody who has a spiritual purpose or is following a spiritual path. This could be kind of like a soulmate's card for him. I don't really know who he's with because I don't know him right. We shouldn't make assumptions or even if we make assumptions, we respect their privacy. But let's clarify and if we get the lovers then that would just be funny so that probably won't happen

I got the king of pentacles, interesting because we're talking about Jupiter, pretty powerful God. Back of the deck is Knight of cups and the Moon also interesting. The clarifying cards and stuff just have not straight very far from the original cards.

Oh but since I got off track talking about sexy times, Jupiter is also the planet of good luck and good fortune so this could also be something to do with financial benefits or physical benefits like property or what have you. I think it probably just means he's got a lot of money, he's getting returns on his investments and stuff like that. But what actually just feel like is okay so let's say we don't know who JK is with if he has a significant other whatever right. So I'm just going to talk ambiguously if he has a partner now or if it's long-term or short-term or whatever, what I get from these cards coming out somebody who spoils them. Spoils them with all kinds of different gifts, like literal go shopping nice gifts but also like physical objects, particularly like a house. You know if you were like you know I've always dreamed of this particular style of house with these things and this color and a cute little picket fence in back. He would go start drawing it himself and then he would go find an architect to make exactly those things. This is just an example

And it's not just like oh you want that Gucci watch. For me it's coming across as somebody who wants to have a hand in the gift, like in the making of the gift. This could be yes cooking we know he likes to do that, but like yeah it would be very Hands-On in terms of designing the house for you based on things that you said that you wanted. I mean he would still want his own things but I just see this king of pentacles being somebody who's holding out this coin and it's clarifying a very sensual card about a partner and there are very strong feelings and there's a castle behind this King so it's like you know building you your Castle. Which is kind of interesting since he just got a new house. I wonder he probably will never show us the bedroom but I have a feeling that well it doesn't matter. I don't really like when people talk about their sex lives or their sexuality so I'm avoiding talking about those things. But when I see something in the card like clearly this is a situation. I will talk about the situation but I'm not going to make any guesses about specifics. Could I? I don't know maybe but I don't want to and I don't see specifics here. I just see a couple of scenarios but not a person

And I can tell you that his way of affection toward a person he would be intimate with or dating or serious with or whatever seems to be through spoiling and giving gifts that have value. You know like when you have a card that somebody makes instead of just buys that it just has that little extra feeling to it. So he might do a piece of artwork and give it to you or what I'm seeing is like taking a piece of clay and making it into a shape or something and then you put it in the oven and then it turns into like some little figure. Doing a lot of stuff like that he's very Hands-On with these gifts but only for partners. It's not like he would do this for his 97 friends. This is how he shows his lover or significant other affection

And there's a lot of protector vibe going on but I mean that won't be news to people who know him

He's kind of like got a guardian energy I guess where not only is he going to protect you in terms of your safety but he is going to provide for you. And in a very conscientious way. Like we know that he records details about the BTS members so he probably knows all their likes in terms of food and weird little things like what kind of smells they might like, what kind of candles they would buy, the shampoo that they use. These weird like I shouldn't say weird because I shouldn't judge but it's weird because it's so specific and coming through specifically as in things that are physical but pertain to someone's identity. So definitely like soap and shampoo and candles and diffusers like he would know the certain kind of oils that people prefer. Like why would I buy you peppermint when I know you like lavender? And yet he might not pay attention to other small things like that. Like I don't know what RMs shoe size is but notice how in are you sure he knew which cologne fit RM. So it's like these sensory things he attaches to people. It's very interesting. Maybe that's where the dog energy is also coming from because dogs are very loyal and protective and they know your smell and he's all about acting on instinct, which can include sexy times. I'm sorry that card is so obviously sexual

And then just to kind of wrap that part up the Knight of cups being at the back of the deck of course could have to do with feelings of romance or just emotions or even creativity I suppose but with the moon behind it, and the Moon in the Jupiter card, I'm just getting like intense feelings of love or deep emotions and putting the relationship angle I gave it I also think this validates again this idea of somebody who cares a lot about giving to people. He gives to his lover in that kind of way and I think even though army is not like his real girlfriend or anything, that way of showing love extends to the fan base. You know he is still going to be protective of us and he is still going to want to give us the things that he can give us with his own hands like singing to you. Like doing this video for you, showing you or giving you art or something. It has to be this tangible thing that he can do himself and that's part of a gift and that's how he shows his love and that's how he can express that love and also I think it's a form of self-expression as well. Obviously self-expression can conclude how you show your love but I mean I guess I should say he's also expressing that love in a self-expressing way. Like how does he express himself well through music and through cooking while also these just happen to be his love language as well. His gifts are the things that are also his way of expressing himself. Isn't that interesting?

I didn't expect to go that deep on his personality because actually that answers questions that I kind of had about him and his love language. Even though we have seen it in different ways. I mean you could see it a lot in are you sure, especially when they go to Japan but I mean throughout the whole series right. Even when they were in Jeju, and he made the crew food right. This is just how he knows to show that he cares. His thing is to take action but besides just taking action the action that involves something physical that he can do but also happens to be a way that he enjoys expressing himself anyway

It kind of makes me understand why he's definitely a romantic right. There's something very romantic about the idea of somebody who shares their passion with you. And not just shares it with you in terms of you can go to a concert and hear him seeing which is a thing you know he likes, literally those are also his gifts to you because it's all he can offer you in terms of this is where he places the most value. He's probably not going to give you like expensive gifts because he thinks that impresses you unless you like really nag at him. He wants to give you things that come from his heart. A piece of clothing doesn't come from his heart unless he made it. Unless he like helped pick out the features of your car and maybe like had a hand in detailing it, he's probably not going to gift you a car. But he could definitely gift you a house. He could gift you a song or a video. Like look at what he did for j-hope's birthday that one time, he drew that really cool drawing right. He would record you a song. He would do a cover for you. I mean it should be obvious to people because he's done these things for a long time right and he's done them for members or the fan. I'm sure he does it in his personal life to other people. I'm sure if you asked his parents what he used to give them when he was little it would be like macaroni art or like trying to make some kind of meal as a kid that wasn't really a meal but he tried

this is probably pretty long. And keep in mind even when I read about the boys I don't ever try to push an agenda or align it with my personal takes. I mean in tarot you're always going to be limited by your biases which is why I redid it again because I felt like something I read influenced my first take but the stuff is still coming up the same where this is a person who wants to help heal people and his love language is helping people and his way of coping I think with his own wounds is to help others and through that that makes him feel better or heals him I should say. I don't want you to think that I'm saying that it's some kind of shallow gratification.

I think he actually heals himself by being with army. Not just because he's helping you but because something and being with army heals him as well probably because he can be himself. And then he's found a space to do that and also use his self-expression so he can express himself while also giving that gift of his talents to people.

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arrtemisia · 4 years ago

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Hey so... If you could redo cannon Makoto what would you do? How would she change? I'm curious cause out of the main cast she was the only one that I just couldn't get a solid interest in (aside from Ann but that's just cause the idea of her being a fashion model confuses me more than anything I think)

God. So much stuff.

There's a couple big things about her that bug me, and none of them really change at all in her canon vs fanon portrayal, which means it's hard for me to enjoy her even in fanworks. In my opinion, I think her biggest flaw is that she's simply miscast, and her character would have worked much better as a confidant instead of a thief, which would've given her a place of her own to shine and avoid the weird dissonance between different aspects of her character (and this was actually their original plan, so Hifumi would have taken her place which. She would've fit in much better imo bc she's actually suffered under another's will like every single one of the others and she's an actual strategist instead of just """smart,""' but that's a topic for another post), but since we're talking about how I'd personally fix Makoto in the role she currently fills, I'm going to list some of the issues I take with her and potential solutions.

First of all, just to get it out of the way, she needs an actual reason to be here. She doesn't have one, full stop.

The big thing tying the thieves together is that they're all victims of abuse and oppression who rebel against their tormentors and want to prevent anyone else from suffering like they did. I'm not saying Makoto has never struggled, because she has, but it's really, really not the same type of struggle.

This leads to weird moments where everything about Makoto's personality and characterization, such as being a stickler for the rules, idolizing the police, etc mean that she has no in-character reason to stick with the thieves after kaneshiro is dealt with and should maybe even be opposing the thieves' way of doing things, but the plot drags her along anyway because the game really wants her to be a party member. And really, what's up with her awakening? She gets threatened once and then bang-boom-kapow she has a persona? It's weak.

Also before anyone says "well all those things about her personality change when she awakens and she sheds her good girl personality and yada yada," no she doesn't, actually, and I'm getting there I promise

The easiest solution here is also the most drastic. Swap when Makoto and Akechi join. This kills two birds with one stone; Makoto gets an actual reason to awaken through Sae, and Akechi's betrayal hits harder because he's pretending to be with you for longer (although admittedly this is much less needed on Akechi's part ever since royal).

Not only does this give Makoto a much stronger reason to awaken and join in the first place (Sae starts twisting into something horrible and Makoto wants to help both stop and save her), but it also gives her an internally consistent reason to stick around. Before, unlike the others (who all at least have "I want to stop others from feeling like I did," or in Futaba's case, "I wanna find the ppl who killed my mom."), once Kaneshiro is done with, Makoto has no real big personal reason to stick around other than "I'm a thief now and the plot says so ig." Now, of COURSE she'd want to go after Shido because he's the one that was manipulating her sister, and after that of COURSE she'd want to help take down mr divine sippy cup in order to get Shido tried and jailed.

However, if we're not going to shuffle around the order of party members bc that'd nuke the canon plot a little, then we need to rework the entire Kaneshiro arc and/or Makoto's backstory and values as a whole. Yeah this is why the first solution was the easy one.

I'm going to go in-depth about how I feel Makoto's personality and values should be reworked later I'M GETTING THERE, so I'll talk about that then. As for reworking Kaneshiro, I... don't have a whole lot of ideas. The palace itself is fine, it has one of the coolest atmospheres in the game (c'mon, there's got to be a fun bank heist in a game like this), but Makoto's connection with him is very weak. Maybe have it be that he was extorting her for years in secret and she never said anything? Maybe have him be the one that ordered the hit on her father? I'm not sure what would be strong enough to match to the other palace leaders, without feeling forced. I'll have to come up with more ideas for this one.

The second big issue I have with her is less of one specific thing and more of a collection of smaller problems that all come from the same source. She waltzes in, takes over, and starts acting like she's the boss of things. She then names herself the "strategist" and yet only ever states the obvious and, to use a word I hate, mansplains things to you that you already learned two palaces ago. She's constantly condescending and passive agressive to the other team members, especially Ann and Ryuji, berates everyone for not being as naturally book smart as her when all the other characters are smart in their own ways and just not good at academia, all the while everyone around her, even characters that normally wouldn't take that (ryuji, ann) or are too prideful to admit to anyone bring better (mona), are constantly like "You're so cool, Makoto!"

It's a classic case of show don't tell, and rhe game is obsessed with telling you that Makoto is "smart" and "cool." Once she joins the team, all the characters that were originally shown to be smart in their own ways are never allowed to say anything meaningful ever again bc Makoto is the "smart" one. She never does anything particularly different compared to the other party members, but the game is constantly insisting she's special.

I'm very hesitant to call her a mary sue, because I don't think she is one, and also I disagree with the use of that term at all as these days it's just meant to devalue powerful characters that happen to be girls, but I definitely think she's emblematic of a common writing flaw that can lead to mary sues. The problem with making a character the "smart" one as a personality trait instead of something that just comes naturally is that you have to dumb down everyone else's characterization to make them look smarter or cooler by comparison. It means that the character you're trying to prop up bends everyone else around them, making them act in ways they normally wouldn't in order to make the one character you're trying to look cool seem better by comparison.

This has an easy solution: cut that shit out. Have her slowly find her place on the team naturally instead of forcing her way in as a pseudo-leader. Don't give every single "well, duh" line to her, and cut the scenes where she stands around explaining obvious things you already know in a condescending manner so she looks smarter. Let the other characters actually act like themselves when they're in the same room as her instead of bending around her to prop her up. Have her treat those characters with respect in turn, bc for all intents and purposes when it comes to thief stuff they are her senpai, instead of just having her act like she's better than them, or boss them around, or be passive agressive about the fact that their grades are bad. Show that other characters are smart in other ways instead of acting like Makoto's book smarts are the end-all be-all. And for fuck's sake, stop acting like "smart" and "punches stuff real good" are personality traits, which leads me into my last big point.

Makoto and Queen don't really feel like the same character. Okay, so to explain this, let's walk through her awakening again.

Makoto is a good girl who's a stickler for the rules, sucks up to authority, idolizes the police, is obsessed with her grades and academic performance, and looks down on others who don't do the same. A couple people call her useless and then she gets threatened by a mob boss, after which she decides to live her life for herself and completely shed her good girl lifestyle and rebel against everyone pressuring her.

That is, except for the teensy tiny detail where she doesn't.

Nothing significant about her personality changes all post her awakening and joining the thieves, aside from the part where she sucks up to authority maybe a little less. She's still uptight, her grades (and the grades of those on her team) are still her top priority, she still idolizes the law and those enforcing it.

Y'see, persona has a bit of a common problem with saying one thing about a character, be it making a reveal or saying they're gonna change in some big way, but not fully committing to it. You can see it most in p4 (party members saying they're gonna quit/stop/do whatever and then backtracking in the last two ranks of their social link), but it's rarely so severe that it completely ruins their personality and character arc as a whole. Makoto, I feel, is the main exception.

The writers want Makoto to become this tough, rebellious biker queen who oozes badassery in every move and will never follow anyone's wishes for her ever again, but they also want to keep her old personality of the uptight naive rule-following law-abiding academic. So, instead of altering one to better fit the other, they try to do both... badly.

Instead of integrating the two parts of her personality, it just feels like she swaps between them whenever the plot calls for it which is really, really jarring. She'll be stuttering about following the rules and getting to know her generation one second, and then the next she'll be yelling about mowing down shadows with her motorcyle the next. It feels like Queen and Makoto are two separate uninteresting half-characters, with only a couple personality traits each, instead of one whole well-rounded character.

Either rework Makoto's thief aesthetic to better suit her personality as a whole and give her something other than "I'm totally not a good girl anymore" to make her compelling, or actually commit to Makoto shedding her past life everyone around her had forced on her and change her personality. Have her grades start to slip, have her talk back to Sae, change the way she dresses so it's rougher and less perfect, hell, maybe even have her quit student council. Just, anything to make her more well-rounded as a character.

I have some other nitpicks with her here and there, like the fact that her confidant is actually just Eiko's confidant and doesn't give Makoto herself any development, or the way the game keeps trying to set her up as Joker's waifu or whatever, but those are just that; nitpicks. The three big things I mentioned earlier - her not having a compelling personal reason to be a part of the thieves, the way the writers shove her into the spotlight by putting down everyone around her, and the fact that her characterization is just one badass half and one smart half that don't mesh and have little else in between - are the problems I feel are what's actually holding her character back.

Again, I do think that all of this stems from the fact that she's miscast, but it's too late to fix that now. While I personally really dislike Makoto, I do kind of understand her appeal for others when she's written well, and she's a totally valid character to like. I just wish she was portrayed better.

(Also, if anyone wants to reblog this, feel free I ask that you please don't put this in Makoto's main character tag. I know how much it sucks to get a bunch of negativity in a character's main tags as I am an Edelgard fe3h fan)

#mod answers stuff #long post #really really long post #defiant-firefly #yeah so i know u were probably wanting just. a quick sum up #but i might have just. written an essay. whoops #sorry lol #there's just so much abt her that drives me up the wall

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