#and what is dinah in??? that's right. a band

[welcometogrouchland]

I support the "Batman was unfairly biased to Stephanie for XYZ reasons" crowd so strongly bc DC claims that Bruce is a master planner who is able to understand anyone's psychology but he didn't realize that literally every single one of Steph's problems as a teenager would've been solved by her joining a shitty punk band. If he couldn't figure that much out then he didn't understand her for a minute

[zahri-melitor]

Okay because I am setting my expectations as low as possible in the hopes I get to be pleasantly surprised, here is the history of Black Canary as a solo title at DC:

Black Canary 1991: 4 issue miniseries. Probably best described as 'mediocre'. Dinah discovers Ollie's being an unemployed dropkick who has been stealing/borrowing money from the Sherwood Florist till and not accounting for it; out of her frustration at him she goes and beats up a drug cartel and white supremacists with the help of her new friend Gan Ngyuen, who would be a better boyfriend to Dinah than Ollie is being right now. In conversation with her Grell appearances, but seriously underestimates Dinah's actual skillset.

Black Canary 1993: 12 issue ongoing. Dinah's basically broken up with Ollie for the whole of this, which is completely fine by me, as Ollie uses some of his appearances in this book to accuse Dinah of sleeping with Ray Terrill. Who is 18 and was trying to look after the injured superhero who turned up on his doorstep. Time to go die in a firey helicopter crash, Ollie, you are terrible in the early 90s. Anyway, this is an incredibly uneven run that covers topics like Dinah's backstory, why Ray Terrill develops the biggest puppy crush on Dinah, and also the very first Nightwing-Oracle-Huntress-Black Canary team up. Tragically despite the compelling characterisation going on in this title between the four of them, the story they are in is a white slavery plot, rendering it almost impossible to recommend to people who aren't the sort to read every single appearance of a character.

Black Canary 2007: 4 issue miniseries. This would actually have been a compelling story apart from its intent and outcome. Dinah and Ollie, in the lead up to their wedding, grapple with combining their families and Dinah works with integrating Sin into the US educational system. Unfortunately, Sin is abducted and then Ollie fakes her death and doesn't tell Dinah what he's done, as he makes Connor take her off to one of the Himalayan monasteries various Arrows and companions have spent time at. Sin does not get to attend their wedding, and for some reason Dinah does not tell Ollie it's off even though he just faked Sin's death and lied to her about it.

Black Canary and Zatanna: Bloodspell 2014: Graphic novel. Paul Dini's pet project that he spent the best part of a decade trying to get DC to publish. The only decent Dinah solo on this list, it's not actually a Dinah solo because it's co-starring Zee. Dinah and Zatanna met each other as teens trying to live up to the expectations of their families, then reunite in Vegas after some of Dinah's friends tell her that someone's made them swear a magic oath to take part in a heist, and it's killing them. Hijinks ensue! This is the only title of any of them on this list that's actually full of joy. Please read it.

Black Canary 2015: 12 issue ongoing. 'What if Dinah decided to make Black Canary be the stage name of a musician in a band rather than a superhero?' Does this have any connections to previous Dinah characterisation? Not really, no. Does it sound like the premise of an Elseworlds rather than main continuity, even for n52? Yes. Dinah decides being a superhero is just too much work, so she'll be in a band instead, aside from all those times she needs to stop singing to fight crime in the audience. Contains a time travel plot involving Kurt Lance, aka the worst decision DC has ever made in regards to Dinah's love life, and I'm including Ra's al Ghul and marrying Ollie on that list. I think they made Kurt Lance save the universe but I admit I was hatereading at that point. The final issue has Dinah have her life flash before her eyes while retconning out most of the n52 changes to her characterisation and also suggesting she got pregnant with Ollie's baby at age 53 before dying of a mystery disease at age 69.

EDIT: Reminded of the Teen Book

Black Canary: Ignite 2019: DC teen graphic novel. Written by Meg Cabot, this is one of their teen alternate continuity rewrites set around the awkward period when Dinah was a teen and wanting to be a superhero like her mother, but Dinah Drake was firmly refusing to train her. Contains Larry Lance and is actually set in Gotham! (this is a good thing) On the other hand, maintains the 'was in a band' concept from Black Canary 2015, which personally I would rather stuff into a black hole never to be seen again, but angry teens singing in bands is a genre conceit for a reason. It's cute.

So really. Why would I let myself get my hopes up over Black Canary Volume 5?

[starlight-lesbians]

i mean electra was based off bowie right? the components meanwhile are edm and dnb djs

rusty is v indie singer songwriter/mellow bedroom pop (i’m thinking like cave town, dayglow, alfie templeman vibes)

the freights are part of the same like cringe pop ‘punk’ band like fucking 5sos

the coaches are the pop it-girls, (tassita is conan gray)

momma is any motown artist, i’m going diana ross bc powerhouse

so correct wait what

Tass is definitely Conan, Dinah is a cross between Sabrina Carpenter and Chappell Roan, Pearl is very Ariana Grande w maybe a lil Taylor Swift, I think Belle maybe gives Olivia Rodrigo

(thinkin about slickbelle w pop girlie belle and cringy pop punk girl slick LMAO)

Rusty with a ukulele and his sadboy antics is such a funny image

I'm torn between like Lady Gaga energy and Bowie energy for Electra tbh

Joule is like 6arelyhuman i think, like scenecore

Rocker Greasey is giving Joan Jett to me personally, but maybe also some Gerard Way honestly, for the genderfuckery of it all, her band is her gang probs (or the other engines maybe)

so true on the Freights also, its either that or they're like a shitty dj group that everyone kinda loves for some reason

YESSS on Momma, Jade's vocals are SO good she def fits that aaaaaa

I'm wondering if I should put the other champion engines into like a backstreet boys esque group, that would be funny as hell if they arent Greasey's band

[we-are-alive-and-deviant]

Music Selections for Hank Anderson

Hank likes dark heavy metal music and jazz music, right? Well, from what I listen to, which is basically everything, I'll make a small list of what I think Hank would like. Maybe he would like grunge music as well, but only in his home.

Some bands I think he would like would probably be some famous ones like Metallica, Iron Maiden, and Black Sabbath, but he would also like King Diamond, Avenged Sevenfold, Fozzy, Machine Head, Slayer, and of course Ozzy Osbourne.

For jazz music, I think it would be Nat King Cole, Billie Holliday, Ella Fitzgerald, Julie London, Louis Armstrong, Michael Buble, Dinah Washington, and Frank Sinatra. Can't go wrong with them.

For other music, I think he would like a few Queen songs, The Cure, Nine Inch Nails, Def Leppard, Krokus, and Nazareth. Though I think he would listen to 'Hair Of The Dog' the most from that band. He'd probably also like Rush too.

If there's any other band or jazz musician he might like, let me know!

[fa-by]

Hiiii babies and dear Anons 👋🏼🤗. I'm back with a new Q&A post. Before I start tho, two things:

1) I was unable to do the analyses of those three songs. I apologize to the Anons who asked for them, but I really didn't have the time. It already took me so long to answer these asks and if I'd done those analyses as well, who knows how long before you would've had this post. So, sorry 😅. I hope to be able to do them for the next post 🤞🏼.

2) This long wait was due to the fact that I had various commitments and then I also got ill (for something different from the past) by ending up in the hospital for a day 😭. I'm not healed yet so arm yourselves with patience for future posts as well 😅🙏🏼.

Now without having to still bore you with my problems, let's move on to the answers. Enjoy 🙃.

Your answers are here in my Only Told the Moon analysis.

Hi to you too, dear Anon 👋🏼😄. The answer is no, and if you want to know more details, here is my Thinkin’ Bout One analysis (seventh ask).

Yeah, definitely. For years now and they'll continue to do that.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 pure invention from which they'll surely have taken their cue from fanfictions and which they've been trying to pass off as reality for years 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Ups and downs, Anon, I hope your year is going much better than mine 😊.

Don't we all need Camren in our lives? 🤭 And yep, I'm back, but as I explained in the introduction, I've had commitments and I'm not well again at the moment 😭.

They still are now. They are real. And yeah, they'll eventually admit it. It will depend on their careers 💁🏻‍♀️.

Hello to you, my dear @lindy123​ 👋🏼😄. I hope you don't mind that I'm replying here instead of in the comments, and thank you so much for the kind words 🥰. As for Lo's unreleased songs, I obviously loved them 😍! I'm just sorry all 5 are incomplete 🥺 but oh well 🤷🏻‍♀️ she didn't intend to do that and that's why we have them now 😜. As for your question instead, the answer can be found in this old post: Unreleased songs - ɟ.

My dear Anon, from your welcome back I understand that you've read my past posts, and therefore you know perfectly well what I think of the so-called ‘insiders’ 🙄. I think I've already talked about it enough, but for those who are new to my blog, this is an example: https://fa-by.tumblr.com/post/659001741145243648/if-you-think-el-was-a-fan-account-then-how-do-you.

The signs are still there. Not as often as in the past, but they're still being given to us.

Don't doubt and don't fall into the traps of the bullshit people say. You said you think they're still together, and there must be a reason if you think that. So my advice is to keep using the smart part of you that distinguishes you from the herd of sheep 💪🏼.

Oh and, by the way, hello to you too 👋🏼😄 and thanks for the welcome back 😊.

You're not considering many other people, Anon. Camila and Dinah shared it with Hoko (Dinah's cousin) and the band (Ashlee Juno, Lauren Fuller, and Michelle “Michel'Le” Baptiste) while Ally, Normani, and Lauren shared it with some members of the tour crew; four if I'm not mistaken because the rest was in another bus. And inside both of the girls’ buses were purposely left empty sleeping places for when their family members joined them and stayed for a few tour dates.

And I know what you're thinking right now: why couldn't the band and those 4 tour crew members be in one bus and 5H + Hoko in the other one? Simple, that was their last year as a group and the narrative dictated the division between the girls. It was one of the many things that served to create speculation, draw even more attention, and sneakily get fans used to already seeing Mila as a solo artist and LAND as a group. As simple as that 💁🏻‍♀️.

Hey to you, dear Anon 👋🏼😄. And yes, of course. When I wrote “contracts can provide that two people who have already had a PR in the past can have it again in the future”, I meant it. But, and yes, there is a but.

Lauren's independent now, so I'm pretty sure that unless Tymbark's team requests it, it won't happen. Same with Luckless. Even more with her if that's why 🤣 because she has no team or labels to answer to and, even though she’s tried so many times (especially with her PR with Laur), she's not famous. Plus, that PR was made for Laur and therefore it would be up to her to request it again. And it's never gonna happen because she's luckily out of her life (unlike Sasha who, although not a celebrity, has been and still is a part of her life). Rather than have it with her again, I think Laur would rather have PRs with 100 different girls, whether famous or non-famous 🤣.

Have a good day too, dear Anon 🙃.

Are you the same Anon of the “happy 2023”?

Anyway. There's no way to know for sure. There are several factors to consider. How much notoriety does the artist have? Are they an A-list singer?  How much notoriety does the magazine have? Is it just an interview, or an interview + photoshoot? Is there anything else included in the interview to promote other than the music? Products/brands, feuds, relationships, future projects? It all depends on this and much more.

Like, for example. Is it an interview with a full fashion shoot plus high-level clothes and photographers? It already means that it's an important magazine and that the artist is considered as such and that was most likely wanted. Very important magazines such as are for example Vogue, Elle, and Vanity Fair, are themselves paying the artists and not the other way around. If that's why, in addition to the $100,000-plus earned, the artists receive free clothing, accessories, samples, make-up, and beauty products that they can keep as part of the shoot.

If, on the other hand, we're talking about less important magazines then it depends. (It always depends on the notoriety of the artist, but still.) If the interview is simple enough and the focus is on the music to be promoted, then it's very likely that the artist's team contacted and paid the magazine. Ditto if it's just an article without an interview.

If, on the other hand, there's something else to promote besides music, things change. But even here, it depends. What is this other thing to promote and how important is it? If it's not something really important that can generate lots of clicks, then it doesn't matter. But if it does matter, whether it's a scoop from a new love interest, or a feud with another celebrity, then it's the artists who get paid to release it.

For other types of magazines, however, it doesn't work that way. The mere presence of the artist on their web pages benefits them because fans or readers in general generate clicks. It's a double exposure for both artist and the magazine and therefore a win-win situation. No one pays anyone in this case because it's precisely a free double cross-publicity.

Hello to you too, dear Anon 👋🏼😄.

To answer your questions, well, none of the above. I want you to seriously think about something: if you had a one-on-one business meeting with your supervisor or directly with your boss, would you show up there with your significant other? I really don't think so. You have your meeting and after work, you call or meet directly with your significant other to tell them how it went. Period. That's the reality. Work is work, and you must know how to separate their work and their relationship because it runs exactly as it does for all of us.

Besides, although at the time Maverick managed the group for things related to the group as a whole, Mila was already personally managed by Roger, and therefore LAND and in this specific case Laur, was personally managed by Maverick. Both Roger and Maverick obviously answered to the labels because all labels always have the final decision on everything, but still, the point is that for personal things not related to 5H, Camren were managed by different people.

So as in the example of not bringing your significant other to meetings I gave you earlier, Mila wasn't present during Laur's PRs signings and agreements and vice versa.

I hope you're super well too 🙃 and to know more about how PRs work, read my PR stunt relationships - ɟ post.

[Faby oh my god I almost dropped my phone when I seen u posted 🤦🏻‍♀️🤣🤣 anyway hi not sure if u remember me but it’s me K 😂 sorry to hear u had not been well and to hear u lost ur dog I too lost my cat last yr she was 13yr and like u I felt like a part of me died with her she was my shadow. Glad to hear u adopted another dog thats the best way is to adopt.]

🤭🤣🤣🤣🤣 hi K! Of course I remember you 🤗! I'm so sorry about your cat 🥺😭, I completely understand. I like to think they'll always stay with us no matter what ❤. Why don't you adopt another one too? Trust me, it would help you a lot and you'd fall in love immediately like I did with my new puppy girl 🥰. Let me know😍.

1) [So with my question is what do u make of so many loyal CS and L’s fans leaving her? A lot has left bc of L’s attitude,how she constantly contradicts herself where fans weren’t able to defend her anymore and how she keep attacking CS.]

As you also said yourself, many got tired of both her behaviors and the fact that she keeps attacking CS. I've also seen that many people got tired of the fact of her sexualizing herself most of the time she posts something, or not going on tour in certain places, etc.

Honestly, all bullshit to me. You know why? Because Lauren has always been this way to the public! The thing that people don't understand, and for years now, is that this is the public image she's always had since they started training them back in the X-Factor days. And for those who don't know, by training them I mean how they started teaching them how to behave in front of cameras, how to answer or avoid certain questions during an interview, etc.

We've always had two Laurens. What's new? They still can't tell them apart? 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

Public imagine Lauren is the one who has to defend the PRs and attack Camren because she has contracts to comply with. She's the one who's been taught for years that sex sells, and she continues to use this tactic to publicize something simply because she's comfortable doing so. She's the one who has to act and say certain things because it's the only way to stay afloat in the industry, especially now more than ever because she's an independent artist.

The real Lauren, doesn't post much because she lives her life outside of social media. She's the one who started the first spontaneous and free Attunements during the pandemic. She's the one who can't go on world tours like she did when she was with 5H. How should she do it according to them? With what money? With the support of which major label? Do these people really have a hard time understanding the word independent? 🙄😒

Anyway, I still think that these so-called “fans”, which are anything but fans, drop out because things don't go the way they want. News flash, it never will! There's a person behind the artist who's constantly harassed every day and yes, even by those who don't deserve to be called CS. What do they expect her to do when the harassment on her body, her personality, and her life in general has been a daily occurrence for 11 years? For her to even thank them? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sure! And what does she actually do instead?: “Naturally inclined to love, but when the love ain't flowin' back, I pull away and reassess, gotta protect me. Push the negative to the side so it's not in front of my eyes, outta sight, outta mind. I need more than 50 feet”.

And in addition to 50 feet., there are songs like Inside, Colors, Scattered, Falling, Healing, EM(oceans), Wolves, Temporary and especially While I’m Alive that also talk about these situations. Hellooo??? No? Nothing? Don't they see i- 🤦🏻‍♀️okay...🤷🏻‍♀️

So, they don't wanna see the reality and go away? It's alright for me, and for her too honestly 🤣. Addio! Adiós! Au revoir! Sayonara! Adeus! Auf Wiedersehen! Do svidaniya! Go support someone who does what you want but that actually has so many faces that you won't even be able to recognize the real one 😉. *said in her voice like in that video when Trump lost the 2020 presidential election* Bah-bye, bitch 👋🏼!

2) [Another question is what do u except from C’s new label-]

I expect much more now 🤣. No jokes aside, I hope that with this new label she can return to the freedom and “glory” of 2017/2018. Unlike the past, I unfortunately still can't tell you what they'll do in my opinion or give you a theory simply because I don't know how they work yet. Ask me again after the first project 😏.

[-and now she changed pr firm?]

Mila didn't change PR firm/agency. She's still part of the WME Agency and you can also see it on Mila's official website itself. She simply also joined the BT PR Agency 😉.

3) [Why post that snippet of a new song with the line Coachella the. Deleted? I’m guessing it’s for the pr but that was desperate even for them. Is her new label the reason for the circus starting again or was it his team like last time or are they trying to make them as the new Justin and Selena?]

Yep, it was 100% just for the PR. And yes, desperate are the Sandalwood team 🥱. And yeah, they tried and tried to make them an important couple like Jelina, but in reality they only succeeded in making them the first fake couple to come up in Google image results when searching for pr relationships 🧐🙈🤣.

4) [What’s ur opinions on some fans claiming the Coachella stunt was nothing to do with their teams but C and L we’re arguing for awhile and C did it to get back at L? Personally I don’t believe that but still curious for ur thoughts]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Oh yeah? And who told them that? Lauren or Camila? Or both of them? Over text, call, or video call? 🤣. Do they really think people believe that? And above all, do they really think that (C&S) they’re free to do something like this without breaking the contract and without consequences from their teams and labels? I caaaan't! 🤦🏻‍♀️🤣

My thoughts on this? Well, besides these ☝🏼 🤣, I feel sorry for all these people who do everything they can to get 5 min of attention and for those who believe it. But specifically, I'm ashamed to be associated in the same category (CS) as these, to quote Lauren, delusional people. Sorry not sorry 💁🏻‍♀️🙃😁.

5) [What are u expecting C’s new music to sound like?]

She experimented a lot with her music over the years, so I don't know if she'll continue to do that or settle on a specific genre. As I told you in point 2, I still don't know how this new label works, so I can't give you any answers yet.

[From that snippet she shared and how she working with yet another friend of his 🙄-]

Forget that snippet 🤣. She deleted it herself faster than light after a short time because it had its purpose for the Shitmilashow 😴.

[-my expectations have gone down to where I think it’s gonna be a full pr album or at least there gonna make it out to be.]

I don't think complete, but yeah, of course there'll be songs with phrases explicitly changed to imply that they're references to him, unfortunately for my and your ears. But oh well 🤷🏻‍♀️ I've been used to both of them and their PRs for years now.

[Anyway I know that was a lot of questions so I’m gonna leave it there for now 😂 but I have no idea how happy I am to see ur back specially with other blogs who left. I’m glad ur well and still a CS 😏😂 - K]

Don't worry, my dear K, you can always ask me for as many as you like 😄. I don't mind. I'm glad you're happy that I’m back and yes, I'm gonna be a real CS forever 😉. I hope you're well too 😊. A virtual hug 🤗.

‍🤸🏻‍♀‍🤸🏻‍♀‍🤸🏻‍♀‍🤸🏻‍♀‍🤸🏻‍♀‍🤸🏻‍♀‍🤸🏻‍♀‍🤸🏻‍♀‍🤸🏻‍♀‍🤸🏻‍♀‍🤸🏻‍♀‍🤸🏻‍♀‍

Aaand I'm done 👅. Thank you all for your asks and I hope I've been helpful this time too 🙃. As usual, I'm always available for those who have questions, so ask away 😄.

Remember to be nice. Always. Both with others and with yourselves. Be a good example. Be patient. Be safe and take care of yourselves. Don't let our ship sink. Keep shipping them, but please respectfully 🙏🏼. Sending you virtual love and hugs 🤗🤗🤗. I love you, babies. Always with love, F ❤️.

[supalonely17]

1 DC PLAYLIST EVERY DAY

DAY 20 : BLACK CANARY

let’s talk : Over the years the type of music Black Canary has played has been vass. Right now she’s a rock star with her own band. This is the vibe I’ve stuck with while making her playlist. I just thought that the playlist would feel inconsistent if I tried to capture each iteration of her. Which is why for most of these playlists I try to stick with the current iteration. Not much else to say for this one so as always check out these other great playlists if you’re looking for something else or want more.

music headcanons

- goes to concerts whenever she is free, doesn’t matter what artist she just loves live music.

- Takes ollie to the record store on dates sometimes. He always buys way too much things though so she tries not to take him as much.

- Tries to post whatever she’s listening to as much as possible to help smaller artists.

- Hates defining her music by a specific genre

- Is well versed in music theory but most of it just comes natural to her.

- Rarely talks to Oliver about music because of how much she talks about it in her daily life.

- Enjoys reading artists interviews for different perspectives on the industry but has banned herself from accessing any interviews if it’s been taken by specific people or companies.

- Still doesn’t think she’s made her masterpiece yet and doesn’t think she ever will.

- Just has one playlist which is very messy. She keeps telling herself to organize her playlists but never does.

Playlist spotlight!

[landboundstar-writing]

Movie Night

Another repost from AO3 and my main blog.

Tip if you can. Reblog if you can't

NSFW - Minors, be gone. You have been warned.

CW- Zatanna/Boston Brand nipple play, oral sex, spooning

"Zee,"

The whisper startled Zatanna from where she was reading on the couch. Uncrossing her legs, she looked up to see a ghost 

"Hey, Boston."

She could see their unit's resident ghost with no problem thanks to magic, even times like now when he did not borrow somebody's body, and he came further into the room. The flames in the fireplace started to turn blue as he stood in front of them.

"What's wrong?"

Boston was normally a pretty chatty and cheerful ghost, but he looked sad. Zatanna shut her book and stood, coming over to stand with the ghost.

"I'm lonely. Can we watch a movie? Please?"

He shifted his foot back and forth, and she was pretty sure he was blushing.

Zee shrugged. "Sure."

"Really?" His eyes lit up, literally, for a second.

Zee smiled. Zachary and John had gone to see a local band at the bar, and they were both likely to be out for hours yet. And things had been quiet tonight while she had been on call. It was the perfect night for a baggy sweater and leggings with a fire in the fireplace. But she had started to feel a little lonely herself halfway through the last chapter, so hanging out and watching a movie with Boston seemed like a great idea.

"What movie?"

He flashed a smile. "Something old that we both have watched a dozen times so you don't get mad if I talk and I don't lose the plot? Comedy? Musical?"

Zee couldn't find Singing In The Rain right away, so she clicked on The Court Jester.

"It's nice having a quiet night with a movie after spending time with people all week."

"With people? Or around people?"

Zatanna looked startled by the question. 

"You are surrounded by people every night. But your cousin, John, your assistant, Dinah, some of the Belfry. You don't really hang out with the others. And, I was a performer. Don't try to tell me that you are just hanging out when you are on stage."

"You sounded like John for a second."

"He gets it too. And most of the Justice League treats both of us like we don't belong. Besides, John doesn't mind doing this when he stays in or is at the Watchtower. He doesn't even mind the hugs."

"Hugs?" Zatanna was startled into laughter. "Sorry, I didn't realize you liked John."

"When he isn't threatening to send me on because I possessed somebody, we get along. He'll talk, give me hugs, watch cheesy horror flicks or the Twilight Zone. And he gets me wanting to be around people. I miss it. I can't even change out of what I died in."

"Do you want that? To change clothes? Or get a hug?"

"Yeah, but -"

Zatanna waved her hand and did a quick backcasting. Boston still sat next to her on the couch, but wearing a black tee shirt and pajama pants. His face was scrubbed clean of greasepaint, just a regular guy with blue eyes and brown hair.

"Cozy." He blinked down, staring at his hands resting on the soft flannel pants, looking so confused, sitting next to her in normal clothing.

"It's magic." Zee whispered and pulled him into a hug.

There was a beat, then two, before he hugged her back, pulling her head against his shoulder, hands rubbing circles on her back.

Then, he stilled. Slowly, he went to pull away.

"Boston?"

"I shouldn't do this." His words were barely a whisper against the top of her head, stirring her hair.

"I wouldn't have given you a hug if I wasn't okay with it."

"Zatanna, I don't want to stop with just a hug."

"Okay."

"What?"

She climbed onto his lap, hands resting on his hips. "I said I am okay with that."

"Last time that  I did this, I got shot for it."

"I don't plan on shooting you." She gave a gentle kiss at the point where his neck and collarbone met.

And found herself laying back on the couch, Boston leaning over her.

"If it's okay, I'd like to take the lead. There are some things I've missed."

"Go ahead, then."

Zatanna felt lips skimming over her throat with gentle kisses as she felt deft hands rolling her leggings and underwear down and off.

As his hands slid back up, he grabbed the hem of her sweater and lifted it up and off.

"You aren't wearing a bra."

Zatanna stared up at him, as he looked at her naked body. "Is that a problem?"

"Not at all."

He kissed her breasts, teased her nipples, licking the undersides as he slid down to kiss down her stomach, hands gently pressing at the insides of her knees to urge them apart.

He kissed lower and lower as his hands slid back up her thighs.

She gasped as he started, licking and sucking on her center, his tongue parting her labia.

He licked another time, and her hips lifted, muscles tightening as she moaned and came.

Sliding back up, he turned her quivering body, spooning her.

Zatanna spent a bit of magic to clean up and pull a blanket over both of them.

"I take it you did that a lot."

Boston smiled. "Best way to watch a movie. You should see what I could do with a drive-in."

Zatanna laughed. "Maybe once it's warmer out. But, I don't mind having a movie night with you now and then."

"I'm glad because I wouldn't mind doing this again too. Have you ever seen Some Like It Hot?"

"Of course."

Boston smiled and kissed her neck, his touch spectrally cool. "Great. That means you won't miss anything."

"Sounds like a date."

[a-new-oasis]

At the Abram Residence "Hey Liberty, make sure to give your father my thanks for letting me join your practice today."

"Oh, thank you so much for coming! Having a real violinist here is such a relief. No offense to the twins, but there are times I feel like I've played the same section a hundred times just to get it right."

"Yeah, being in a family band has its challenges, for sure. Dinah's not playing anything, so it's mostly been me and mom. Thankfully, she's pretty sharp. Julie's been all tied up lately, though, dealing with Melody and [Reed] Victor."

"Well, when we're married, maybe Julie can play at the wedding! I'm really into the harp, but my mom isn't keen on buying another instrument. We've already dropped 10,000 on our current set, and a harp is at least another 2000. Dad's already figuring out what Cheerful plays, so who knows how much more that'll cost."

"Guess what? I'll get you a harp. A wedding present, perhaps. It's such a divine instrument, you know? King David played it, and I'd love our home to be filled with godly music. When you're my wife, of course."

"Really? That would be so sweet, it sounds amazing! I'm so, so, so grateful my parents found Him when I was little. I can't imagine meeting someone as kind as you if I were messing around like secularists. Did you know athiest kids our age are drinking, drugs and partying?"

"That's terrible, Libby! I wish it were easier to share the message of 1 Corinthians with atheists. Unfortunately, it seems like speaking up nowadays gets us told off by all those Jews, Muslims and homos."

"Yeah, it's true. Last week, Amos and I were out, and we got called names by some devil-worshippers. We were just saying our government should support the Watcher-intended family - husband at work, wife at home, happy children. No Adam and Steve nonsense."

"I'll pray for them, really. I hope they find their way back, like the sheep to the shepherd. Maybe they were Catholics? Did you know that Catholics support those fags? Watcher be praised, my mom found true faith. I get to meet wonderful, Bible-loving ladies like you. Maybe even have them as my wife, eternally."

"You're so gentlemanly Moses."

Anyways, before I forget, I'm gonna go see your dad before I join your family for dinner. Nothing to worry about. Tell your mom I heard her casserole is heavenly."

[stuckinapatriarchalbullshitland]

I’ve been thinking about fifth harmony since Ally’s interview and seeing what everyone had to say about it. I think we have to remember that Ally has a very different perspective on the group because she was given a completely different role than the rest of the girls. Having to be the “adult” and take care of the rest of the girls while also being given zero recognition for that or for her musical talent from the fandom. In the Zach Sang interview she also didn’t say she never trusted the girls but at a certain point trust was broken amongst them which is very clear to see from interviews right before Camilla left the group and after. I think Ally speaks more candidly and little bit more in depth than the other girls but they all say the same thing. They went through a hard period of time but the problem wasn’t them. You can loose trust in someone due to circumstances but also know that they’re not the cause of the issue.

I agree with part of what you say, it is true that Ally's role within the group was different and was different because she was the oldest among the five girls, but that does not take away from how bad her narrative is. Being the victim when everyone else had it even worse because Dinah, Normani, Lauren and Camila were minors. That detail alone put the girls at risk because we know how screwed up the industry is with young artists and even more so with female artists.

I'm not trying to disparage what Ally experienced, but in my opinion, she was much more protected than the rest of the girls because she was always on the side of the executives and the industry. The other girls don't. Lauren and Camila always fought against them and were punished. I think you remember the leaked audio of Lauren and Camila complaining about how they were exploited. In Lauren's audio, she was precisely talking to Ally about how they were treated like slaves. Don't you see it curious? Ally was the eye of the managers within the band, so I think we have the right to question Ally's role with the girls, because a part of me still thinks that that audio leak that caused the girls' punishment had a lot to do with it. to do with Ally and it's one of the reasons why I never liked or trusted her.

[dreaminginthedeepsouth]

Song of the Day - “Come Rain or Come Shine”

Today is the birthday of this fantastic song.

On March 30th, 1946, the Broadway show ��St. Louis Woman” opened.

The musical’s tunes were written by Harold Arlen and Johnny Mercer and the gem of the bunch was “Come Rain or Come Shine”.

In the show, this song was delivered by Ruby Hill and Harold Nicholas, sung as a duet.

The musical didn’t do that great, but this song rose up and became one of the most popular and most-recorded jazz standards of the era…

My dad had a big swing jazz band, and for a while, the lead singer was Jane Barbe, who is legendary for also being the voice that told you what time it was …”… at the tone, the time will be…”

I would sit in on all of the rehearsals and any recording sessions in the studio, and I idolized Jane like mad… so I learned this song at age five and tried to belt it out in my room the way Jane could…

Of the hundreds of covers, I suppose, after Jane with my dad and his band, Billie Holiday would get my vote as best.

Ray Charles is pretty phenomenal with this song too.

I think Judy Garland would’ve owned this one but for having the most god-awful arrangement of it that anyone could ever devise - with really fast bongo drums…

Dinah Washington is right up there.

Just a gorgeous tune....

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM6RQxVmGEI]

[Thanks Mary Elaine LeBey]

[landboundstar]

Movie Night

MDNI. MDNI. MDNI.

Minors, be gone.

CW - nudity, eating pussy, playing with breasts, ghost sex

"Zee,"

The whisper startled Zatanna from where she was reading on the couch. Uncrossing her legs, she looked up to see a ghost 

"Hey, Boston."

She could see their unit's resident ghost with no problem thanks to magic, even times like now when he did not borrow somebody's body, and he came further into the room. The flames in the fireplace started to turn blue as he stood in front of them.

"What's wrong?"

Boston was normally a pretty chatty and cheerful ghost, but he looked sad. Zatanna shut her book and stood, coming over to stand with the ghost.

"I'm lonely. Can we watch a movie? Please?"

He shifted his foot back and forth, and she was pretty sure he was blushing.

Zee shrugged. "Sure."

"Really?" His eyes lit up, literally, for a second.

Zee smiled. Zachary and John had gone to see a local band at the bar, and they were both likely to be out for hours yet. And things had been quiet tonight while she had been on call. It was the perfect night for a baggy sweater and leggings with a fire in the fireplace. But she had started to feel a little lonely herself halfway through the last chapter, so hanging out and watching a movie with Boston seemed like a great idea.

"What movie?"

He flashed a smile. "Something old that we both have watched a dozen times so you don't get mad if I talk and I don't lose the plot? Comedy? Musical?"

Zee couldn't find Singing In The Rain right away, so she clicked on The Court Jester.

"It's nice having a quiet night with a movie after spending time with people all week."

"With people? Or around people?"

Zatanna looked startled by the question. 

"You are surrounded by people every night. But your cousin, John, your assistant, Dinah, some of the Belfry. You don't really hang out with the others. And, I was a performer. Don't try to tell me that you are just hanging out when you are on stage."

"You sounded like John for a second."

"He gets it too. And most of the Justice League treats both of us like we don't belong. Besides, John doesn't mind doing this when he stays in or is at the Watchtower. He doesn't even mind the hugs."

"Hugs?" Zatanna was startled into laughter. "Sorry, I didn't realize you liked John."

"When he isn't threatening to send me on because I possessed somebody, we get along. He'll talk, give me hugs, watch cheesy horror flicks or the Twilight Zone. And he gets me wanting to be around people. I miss it. I can't even change out of what I died in."

"Do you want that? To change clothes? Or get a hug?"

"Yeah, but -"

Zatanna waved her hand and did a quick backcasting. Boston still sat next to her on the couch, but wearing a black tee shirt and pajama pants. His face was scrubbed clean of greasepaint, just a regular guy with blue eyes and brown hair.

"Cozy." He blinked down, staring at his hands resting on the soft flannel pants, looking so confused, sitting next to her in normal clothing.

"It's magic." Zee whispered and pulled him into a hug.

There was a beat, then two, and before he hugged her back, pulling her head against his shoulder, hands rubbing circles on her back.

Then, he stilled. Slowly, he went to pull away.

"Boston?"

"I shouldn't do this." His words were barely a whisper against the top of her head, stirring her hair.

"I wouldn't have given you a hug if I wasn't okay with it."

"Zatanna, I don't want to stop with just a hug."

"Okay."

"What?"

She climbed onto his lap, hands resting on his hips. "I said I am okay with that."

"Last time that  I did this, I got shot for it."

"I don't plan on shooting you." She gave a gentle kiss at the point where his neck and collarbone met.

And found herself laying back on the couch, Boston leaning over her.

"If it's okay, I'd like to take the lead. There are some things I've missed."

"Go ahead, then."

Zatanna felt lips skimming over her throat with gentle kisses as she felt deft hands rolling her leggings and underwear down and off.

As his hands slid back up, he grabbed the hem of her sweater and lifted it up and off.

"You aren't wearing a bra."

Zatanna stared up at him, as he looked at her naked body. "Is that a problem?"

"Not at all."

He kissed her breasts, teased her nipples, licking the undersides as he slid down to kiss down her stomach, hands gently pressing at the insides of her knees to urge them apart.

He kissed lower and lower as his hands slid back up her thighs.

She gasped as he started, licking and sucking on her center, his tongue parting her labia.

He licked another time, and her hips lifted, muscles tightening as she moaned and came.

Sliding back up, he turned her quivering body, spooning her.

Zatanna spent a bit of magic to clean up and pull a blanket over both of them.

"I take it you did that a lot."

Boston smiled. "Best way to watch a movie. You should see what I could do with a drive-in."

Zatanna laughed. "Maybe once it's warmer out. But, I don't mind having a movie night with you now and then."

"I'm glad because I wouldn't mind doing this again too. Have you ever seen Some Like It Hot?"

"Of course."

Boston smiled and kissed her neck, his touch spectrally cool. "Great. That means you won't miss anything."

"Sounds like a date."

[lesbianspeedy]

What are your favorite musicals? Besides Six and Hadestown, of course

Also also!

Assigne musicals to each arrowfam member. It can be what you think would be their favorites or just something that makes you think of them

besides them, legally blonde and newsies :] legally blonde the musical is better than the movie i will not be silenced. just cannot be topped. and i saw newsies live recently and it kinda changed my fucking brain chemistry, it's also the show that got me INTO musicals! also im so sorry if u actually know me enough to know how insane i am about hadestown and six, no one deserves to be witness to who i become when i talk about them

i've definitely done this in a groupchat but i cant remember if i ever posted it so if not this is a great excuse to actually do so, thank u anon

ollie - (this will ignore in-universe canon references to cats and singin in the rain, tho i do think singin in the rain would be my choice otherwise) hadestown or come from away, unions, romance, and community innit. (i'd add newsies but i think ollie would refuse to watch it out of anti-disney principals. also maybe les mis but i dont feel qualified to say that bc i still havent forced myself to watch the stage version ive only seen the shitty film adaptation ((im so sorry)))

dinah - hate mosts musicals for the principle of it, will however watch chicago any time (but she used to be mine from waitress makes me think of her)

connor - waitress, i dont even have a reason for this im just Right

roy - mamma mia! roy has 3 dads and also great frog were for SURE an abba cover band

mia - heathers and moulin rouge, if u get it u get it if u dont u dont (i also spend about 50% of my time debating mia's relationship with R.E.N.T in my mind so theres that)

emi - outwardly hates them, secretly a legally blonde stan

lian - matilda, yes im mostly choosing this bc she is a child

(these are all incorrect, all of them have the same fave musical and its hit show spider-man: turn off the dark ((i cant lie ollie would fuck with some of the songs in that show, just like me fr)))

[zahri-melitor]

Do you think dinahbabs could ever happen in canon? I think they’re so cute

If you want my honest opinion, I find it unlikely that we will ever have explicit, on page, DinahBabs content where they are openly in a relationship in the main universe.

It might happen! But I think we are far more likely to have any of the following situations:-

Dinah and Babs together in a future timeline in an event or a different world in the Multiverse that is rarely mentioned again;

Dinah and Babs keep getting written as touchy-feely best friends that is extremely easy to read as queer coding if you want to;

Dinah and Babs occasionally get outright queerbaiting moments as they are Gals Who Are Pals on page and accidentally kiss or touch the other's boobs for plot reasons.

It doesn't make sense to put them together on page for storytelling reasons. Partly because they've got other long term relationships that are on-off for both of them (Ollie and Dick), but also because honestly, the comics openly stating "and then Dinah and Babs had sex in the Clock Tower" doesn't...really change anything about their relationship or how they're written together? If there is a Birds of Prey or a Batgirl ongoing I expect I'll find Dinah and Babs effectively having relationship drama in that comic, whether or not you read it as best friends or as romantic.

The small number of times I can say that Dinah and Babs WERE broken up in the last 30 years reinforce this. You've got post the DinahOllie wedding where Dinah quit BOP and then Barbara moved the entire operation across the country so she was living 30 minutes from Dinah and sending out an operative to spy on Dinah while she was at home and out fighting so Dinah was safe? The mess that was the end of Birds of Prey during n52 where right as the book ended both Dinah AND Babs got characterisation retcons for Burnside and the band, and they were STILL all over each other and Dinah sleeping on Babs' couch while they were fighting?

What about these situations is substantially going to change if the writers make it explicit? Their writers are already in on it too (see Gail Simone)

Maybe it's just me being older and growing up with media like Xena, but I would honestly rather have Dinah and Babs continue to be written the way they are, and explicit canonical lesbian and bi characters exist alongside them, than have someone possibly ruin their dynamic by putting a label on it and getting them pigeonholed.

[polgara6]

Ok so first of all spoilers for ep 3 and 4. We all good? Ok so starting world v ep 4 world for Alice.

Starting world

Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

Very similar to the Disney animated movie

The hatter and hare are trapped by time instead of unbirthday

Queen of Hearts and Red Queen different people and The Hearts are cards

Cheshire is impartial observer and does not antagonize the royals

Does not meet Duchess

Defending the Knave in court scene

“Woke up” when swarmed by guards

Kicked Bill the lizard on purpose

Through the Looking Glass and What Alice Found There

Absolutely nothing from the Live Action No!

Mostly follows the book

Does not have two cats just Dinah.

Meets the Red Queen and White who offer to make her a Queen

No woods with no nouns

Re meets the Tweedles but already knows the Walrus and the Carpenter from previous adventure

They just greet each other and the Tweedles are frightened by the crow no Red King

Runs into White Queen (met at same time as Red) and crosses the brook where the Queen makes her row by herself

Meets Humpty Dumpty, unbirthday is introed, falls

All the kings horses and men arrive

March Hare and Mad Hatter reappear

Alice encounters the Red Knight saved by White Knight

Alice is crowned Queen

Alice is made to throw a party with no knowledge

She “wakes up” after shaking the Red Queen

Right before Campaign

Alice overhears her parents wanting to put her in an asylum and makes a run for it climbing out the window.

Episode 4 World

Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

Mostly follows the book

Red and Hearts same person. The Hearts are human.

Hatter and Hare are trapped by time still (no unbirthday for them except in the happiest versions)

Meets the Duchess and saves the baby

Cheshire pisses off the royals so Alice is on trial

She is hunted by the guards rather then “woken up” by the swarm

Through the Looking Glass and What Alice Found There

No two cats again

Meets Red and White. Red offers a pardon, White offers becoming queen.

The Woods are there and Alice forgets her own name

Officially meets the Tweedles events occur exactly like the book so the thought that she is a dream enters Alice’s head early (she believes this by the time the campaign starts in both worlds but in the first world she came to that conclusion on her own)

Runs into White. Row across the brook, White makes her do it and insults her.

Meets Humpty Dumpty events occur like the book

March and Hatter reappear

Meets Red Knight. White Knight is killed trying to save Alice

Alice escapes and is crowned Queen

Red decides it doesn’t matter and off with Alice’s head

White offers Alice sanctuary but throws a party and invites the Red Queen

Alice “wakes up”

Right Before Campaign well post Tpk anyways

Alice wakes up already in an asylum. She knocks out a nurse and locks them both in the bathroom using a stool. She changes into the nurses clothes so she isn’t in the asylum uniform. She then exits using the mirror. Her death thing was falling down the rabbit hole forever and has tea and conversation with the Cheshire Cat about what occurred.

Oh and effects of this continuing. So the more worlds Alice jumps through the more murderous insane she gets rather then Wonderland crazy. So more Malice you know?

She has two daggers made of mirror shards. She’s wearing the classic blue and white look with the hair band although her hair is in a bob. Then in episode 4 she’s purely in white because nurse uniform and her hair is jagged cause she cut it with her daggers. She went and stole her shit from her house real quick.

She’s 15 in the campaign and was 7 when she had her two main wonderland experiences although she’s made frequent trips back since.

Her focus is a tea cup from wonderland. Her magic tends to come in the form of her reciting nonsense poems.

Yes she had Dinah. I think Dinah is a ginger British short hair which live for 14-20 years and she was a kitten when Alice was seven so still alive and well and probably strange.

[originaltyphoonkryptonite]

Chapter 16: The Wedding

Dick pov

"This is it.", I think to myself while I look in the mirror. "Today is the day."

My hair was combed back and my black suit looked sharp. I was straightening out my blue tie when the door opens. I turn to see Bruce standing there in his dark blue suit. He smiles at me.

"Ready?", he asks.

"More then ever.", I said with a huge smile.

We both leave and head to the garden of Wayne Manor. It looked like a fairy tail in blue and purple but at the same time very simple. Exactly how Zella would plan it, if Gus and Alfred let her. I see the officiant,  a kind old man, waiting at the end so that is where I go to stand and take my place. Bruce sits down next to Alfred. On that side is Conner, Kaldur, Roy, Lian, Lucius, his son Luke, Duke, Clark, Lois, their son Jonathan, Berry, Iris, and Bart. As well as the hero Bluebird, aka Harper Row and her brother. Tim's friend, Bernard Dowd was also on that side.

On Zella's side sat Zatanna, Diana, Kate, Selina, and Leslie.

Soon enough the wedding began. My brothers and Wally each escorted Zella's bridesmaids. Wally escorted Artemis of course while Jason went with M'gann. Tim walked with Stephanie while Damian walked with Cassandra. Dinah walked with Oliver with their son Connor in his arms. The guys were each wearing a blue suit with blue and white ties. Well except for Wally, he chose a bow tie instead. Oliver was just escorting his wife so once she was at the altar, he'd go sit down. It was Zella's idea so Oliver and Dinah wouldn't argue about who would walk with her down the aisle. The girls were each wearing their own purple dress because Zella honestly didn't want them to feel uncomfortable and was fine with them picking the dress they wanted to wear as long as it was purple. Honestly, that girl is too sweet for words sometimes. They soon took their places at the alter.

Cippia was even able to be apart of the wedding thanks to Lucius. He made a dog collar that gave him the appearance as a normal German Shepherd. He was carrying the rings on a pillow. My ring was silver with two purple lines while Zella's had a blue diamond with two white diamonds on both sides set on a silver band. He sits down next to Artemis with his tail wagging.

Now was the moment I waited for the most. Gus and Zella were coming down the aisle. She looked wonderful in her dress.

Her hair was in waves down her back with a few strands by her face and a braid on the back of her head holding her veil perfectly. Some diamond earrings that were set in silver dangled from her ears. She wore white lace shoes that matched her white lace sleeved dress with a train. Alfred told me that the earrings were the ones Gus gave to Zella's Grandma for their wedding.

As soon as they reached the end, Gus gently placed her right hand into mine. He gives me a nod before heading to his seat on Zella's side. We then stand facing each other while holding hands.

"We have been invited here today to witness and celebrate the uniting in marriage of Zella Duff and Richard Grayson.", The officiant says with a smile.

"They are taking the first step of their new beginning; their new life together. The ability and desire for one human being to love another is perhaps the most precious and fulfilling gift that has been entrusted to us."

I squeeze Zella's hands as he continued with his speech.

"It is an all-consuming task, a lifelong endeavor — the journey we've been preparing for all of our lives. Loving someone is a reason to stretch beyond our limits, to become more for the sake of the other. It is to look into the soul of your beloved and accept what you see. Loving is the ultimate commitment which challenges humans to become all that we are meant to be."

From the corner of my eye, I could see Clark and Louis also holding hands with faint smiles.

"As they join in marriage today, Zella and Richard are announcing to the world that they are welcoming that challenge.", the officiant finishes with before looking at me and Zella.

"Your vows please. The groom first."

I took a deep breath before speaking.

"I promise to be here to wipe away tears of sadness, to elicit tears of joy, and to cry out to everyone who will listen how much I love you. You are the love of my life and make me the happiest man on earth. Happier than I could ever have imagined. And I feel blessed to start our lives together."

I could hear Jason snicker at my choice of words for my vows.

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Zella pov

"Now the bride's", I hear.

"It is clear to me now that everything in my life has led me to you.", I started with as I closed my eyes. "I think back on all my choices and consider even the bad ones blessed, because if I had done even one thing differently, I might never have met you and become your wife."

I  open my eyes and could see Dick start to get teary eyed at my words so I just smiled at him.

"The rings.", the officiant says.

Cippia gets up and walks over to us. He stands there waiting for us to take the rings. Dick takes mine and slips it onto my finger and then I do the same for him.

"As I said before, you two are willing to meet the challenge ahead of you. Be each other's strength. And now, with the power  vested in me, I now pronounce you husband and wife. You may-"

Dick didn't even give him a chance to say 'You may kiss the bride'. The moment it was announced we were husband and wife, he immediately kissed me.

"Well, that's one way to do it.", the officiant chuckles as we break away. "I present to you, Mr and Mrs Grayson."

We heard the guests cheer as we signed the marriage certificate and Wally and Artemis signed it as our witnesses. I didn't even get to walk down the aisle as Mrs. Grayson. Instead, Dick scooped me up into his arms and walked down the aisle.

"Hey!", I said as I held on for dear life with a red face.

I heard the crowd laughing and Jason and Roy even whistled when Dick lifted me up.

"I can't help it. Now that you are mine, I don't ever want to let go.", he says with a cheeky grin.

"You are lucky I can't kick your butt right now....."

"Too bad. That might have been enjoyable."

"YOU!", I said with a even more red face that I hid in his shoulder.

He just laughs as we head into the Manor to celebrate.

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[cianeto666]

Something that really offends the Infernal Hordes is this thing about the cute gothic girl - who doesn't know if she wants to be a model or a vampire, she wears lace and leather because she's sexy (romrom...), sometimes she's Emo (whatever 'that shit is...), misunderstood but also doesn't want to offend anyone. Well, here is a tribute from the Hidden Circle, to the Women who inspired the idea of the Gothic Beast, they were not tame. A very incomplete selections and with glaring flaws but the images were fine. From left to right, top to bottom (I don't even know why I say this, everyone knows how to read, damn it!).

NICO (The Velvet Underground; Nico)

PATTI SMITH

SIOUSXSIE SIOUX (Siouxsie & The Banshees, The Creatures)

POISON IVY (The Cramps)

COSEY FANNI TUTTI (Throbbing Gristle)

JENIFFER MIRO (The Nuns)

TOYAH WILLCOX (Toyah)

SUSIE BICK - ok, she's not a singer, but she is Nick Cave's wife and there is no photo that better represents the (there it is) beautiful goth woman than the cover of Phantasmagoria by The Damned

MRS. FIEND (Chrissie Wade - we must never forget that the sonic insanity of Alien sex Fiend owes a lot to Nik Wade's voice, but that all the hallucinogenic electronics that maintained the band's sound were courtesy of Mrs Wade)

PATRICIA MORRISON (Bags; The Gun Club; The Sisters of Mercy; The Sisterhood; The Damned)

BRIX SMITH (The Fall)

DIAMANDA GALÁS

MAITRI (Christian Death, Lover of Sin) - Many people may disagree, but Christian Death were never as consistent as after Maitri's entry (in 1992). The band was, perhaps, more metal but it was a new breath of fresh air and Val Kandor found a musical soulmate in Maitri.

- line below, intermediate-

JARBOE (Jarboe; Swans; Skin)

EVA O (Christian Death; Eva O)

MYLÈNE FARMER - a pop singer, this is a strange entry, but anyone who is more familiar with French pop/rock will understand what she is doing here (besides being half-naked, of course)

LYDIA LUNCH - (Teenage Jesus & The Jerks; Lydia Lunch - very briefly...)

DINAH CANCER - (45 Grave)

CHELSEA WOLFE - A girl!!! Old enough to be the daughter (or granddaughter) of the others represented. But, for her music and attitude, the place is more than deserved - she is not a starlet like Amy Lee, from Evanescence; nor a symphonic heavy metal diva. It has the same level of hardness as the others represented.

GITANE DEMONE - (Christian Death - and we know that the band is represented about three times, but even though these devils have attracted an incredible number of diabolical divas to their festivities, it is a complaint to present in one of the wings of the Second Circle - it has nothing to do with the rocker department that poor Dante still couldn't foresee.​