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Ghost Jason and Timmy - definition of best friends
I think I made too many people cry in the previous post so something wholesome this time:))
Part 3 | Part 4 | Part 5 of Ghost Jason series
#jason todd#tim drake#dc robin#batman#dc comics#my art#batfam#batfamily#only “Robin” can see ghost Jason#and tim's now back being robin#hence the reunion#ghost jason can touch people but people cant touch him#cuz i said so#Shall we do Dick or Damian next??#ghost!jason
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Genie Gave Me a Brother AU
-Slams DPxDC door open and tosses AU idea on table-
Tim's parents send home an artifact that is said to able to grant wishes! While being curious about it Tim messes with the artifact and when he 'solves' it, according to legend one must solve it to get a wish, he wishes he wasn't alone anymore.
The object glows bright and as he shields his eyes he can hear.
'So you have wished it, so it shall be!'
He gets his wish in the form of a recently reincarnated ghost!King (who entered the DC world for a reincarnated vaycay... he should had known something was going to happen because CW was encouraging the break) Danny whose just a baby/toddler right now.
Basically, big brother Tim and baby Danny adventures in Gotham after that.
#danny phantom#danny fenton#crossover#dp x dc#blue rambles#danny phantom dc#writing ideas#random idea#dpxdc#big brother Tim!#Baby!Danny#Toddler!Danny#Tim is excited!#he has a baby brother now!#He totally thinks Danny's actions are normal for a toddler btw#he doesn't realize its not#also he doesn't have to fake an identity for his brother he already came with them! and fake photos of his mom being pregnant with Danny!#Danny is questioning why only a kid not even ten is taking care of him#Oh... oh no its a Jazz 2.0#aka older sibling trying to take of younger sib due to parents being neglectful/busy with themselves#Yeah nope he's going to 'Mother hen Jazz' right back to his new brother#and that means following his brother on his photography trips too#Robin finds them btw one night. Points and says 'Who let these babies out on the streets at this time of the night?!'
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i think tim is high maintenance the way a boarder collie or austrialian shepherd is. like you have to make sure they're not only given space to expend energy but you have to specifically let them get the herding instinct out and challenge them intellectually or they start destroying ur home
#tim drake#red robin#jaytim#i think cohabitating would require resigning yourself to your gear going missing for 2-5 business days before returning slightly improved#or coming back to the microwave disassembled across the couch#this happens and jason is like ok im gonna pop over to the gcpd and grab u a cold case do Not touch my stand mixer#but also have to stop him from reaching critical levels of boredom that results in poking the league with a stick#because then gotham is being overrun by ninja 2 months from now#this is harder for jason to curb because an incensed ra's is so goddamn funny to the both of them#dcu#i know tim hating the ceo job is easy whump but consider he needs minimum 5 plates spinning at all times to keep the Thoughts at bay#and WE probably is such low stakes for manipulation tactics its stress relief at this point
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im not complaining cause this is like my dream team for a dickie grayson book but i do think there’s some comedy to dick getting like four seperate runs as robin in the past five years vs actual current robin tim drake getting a single shitty solo and then coasting on nothing but vibes
#this is like if wolfman lost the argument in 88 and dick went back to being robin instead of tim lmao#mark and chris….. man this is gonna be SO good#dick grayson#nightwing#robin#batman#dc comics#spokes#fr tho like both wf series then robin and batman and now this…. mark ty for holding down the fort
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(ID in alt) I literally said I was gonna post this month's ago and then never had the wherewithal to describe it and so I didn't Lmao (said with pain). But since I'm thinking of opening my commissions I figured I should remind ppl that I. Yknow. Can draw.
Lots of Steph here (I had major art block making all of these and my brain worms for her kept me going) + some sprinkles of stephcass for Cass nation to enjoy!
#dc comics#dc#stephanie brown#cassandra cain#jason todd#(yes for the teddy bear. it counts)#batgirl#batgirls#mine#< keep forgetting to tag my art as that I'm terrible 😭#ANYHOW I'm slowly getting back into drawing again after my last ipad got nuked (cant think abt that or ill cry) and i finished uni#oh yeah j finished my first year of uni btw. i went to an Olivia Rodrigo concert like a week or 2 ago. I've been busy lol#but yeah it's looking like I've got a fun summer of bottom feeding ahead of me now that I've officially been told i got passed over for that#-comic job i applied for. lol. lmao even#it's fine honestly it was a pretty daunting prospect i just have to find a way to fill the time by myself now#I've plenty of comics to read so that's nice. got wayyy into mark waids DD run recently (mostly for Chris Samnee's art)#so that's been fun! i have my empowered omnibus (embarrassing and kept under my bed <3) i have TT year 1 i have huntress and WW#uhhh i got flash 1 minute war. lots of good stuff!#so hopefully i don't go. completely feral from lack of stimulation#also hopefully commissions will be a thing i can do#godddd there's many mkre things i want to draw. i got too enamoured w my own bad theory and now I've drawn tim!bats#but unfortunately now i only want to draw tim!bats being laughed at my the batfamily bc seriously tim?? really??#< it's literally probably not going to happen but I've invested myself in this terrible future for some reason#imagine damian trying to robin for tim!bats for 1 (one) night and the next morning he doesn't say anything he just moves to bludhaven#he can't take this shit#oh so many ideas...#ANYWAY. ues. finally art. now if you like it. consider commissioning me (in 2 to 3 business weeks <3)#(no pressure)
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I know there's been lots of people choosing Cardinal as a more unique new hero name for Tim (cause let's be honest, him mashing up names of two first people he could think of, both of which are his brothers, AND also a name of a fastfood chain is pretty lame).
But aside from the fact that there's already a marvel hero called Cardinal, people aren't choosing the obvious superior option:
Redstart
Redstarts are part of the same family as robins and are closely related. The painted redstarts however, on which I'm basing my idea, are not (and are classified as "whitestarts" and are only in the same genus, not family, but are still misnamed as redstarts due simillar looks), which would connect him to his origins as robin while still keeping him a separate entity.
It contains part "red" as the RR does and "start", which not only could reference his "new start" but also, considering that the "start" in the name is also archaic word for "tail" could reference him "tailing" behind the clues about Bruce's status during his debute.
The Old World name of the genus, Phoenicurus, could also reference his "rebirth" as a new hero.
Edit: redstarts are also apparently traditionally used as a symbol of change, transformation and new beginnings, which again.
Also, his suit and the painted redstart coloration and its configuration are basically the same
(pictures for comparision so you can see what I mean)
Also, his feather cape looks kinda like the redstarts tail if you replace the red on it with white, which they fan when seeking and "hunting" for bugs to make them come out
your honor, these are the same picture
Edit: so I made a post like this about Jason if you're interested
#also there is no hero named redstart so the copyrights wouldnt be an issue#red robin#tim drake#but you see what i mean right?#the white around the eyes the red stomach the black everywhere else-#im not the only one right?#while i like the cardinal idea there IS at least one marvel character called it#robin#rr#batfam#dc#dc comics#dc universe#batman#controvercial#imo the condom cowl was superior and made him more distinct than the newer outfits fite me#im not even sure if hes even called red robin anymore#right now the only thing he kept are the belts and color scheme (which he went with before becoming rr so idk if THAT counts)#its like hes now just back to being robin#but they gave him sunglasess and call him “cooler robin” so they dont confuse him with the curent robin#my post
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Sometimes the previous Robins forget they don't use the name anymore and this has caused a few misunderstandings in multiple occasions.
Batman: Robin, you'll cover my back.
Nightwing: On it, B.
Batman: ...I said Robin.
Nightwing: Wha- Oh.
Nightwing: Robin, stay out of this!
Red Hood: You don't tell me what to do!
Robin: He's talking about me.
Red Hood:...
Nightwing: Welcome to the club.
Alfred: If the news are to be trusted, I believe Robin was shot in battle?
Tim: What? No, I was-
Damian: A bullet it's nothing to me, Pennyworth.
Alfred: Then removing it will be a walk in the park. Now, the medbay is waiting, master Damian.
Damian: Tt.
...
Alfred: And master Timothy...?
Tim:... In my defence, Red Robin is basically the same thing.
Alfred: It's quite all right, sir. You wouldn't be the first one.
Batman: Robin!
Nightwing: B?
Red Hood: What do you want?
Red Robin: Yes?
Robin: Tt.
Red Hood: Damn it.
Red Robin: It's Red Robin, okay? Red.Robin. ShitIthoughtIwasoverthis.
Nightwing: Well, this is awkward...
Batman:
Batman: We'll talk about this after patrol.
Bonus:
Steph: You know, Cass, I'm starting to think being Robin for only two months was for the best.
Cass: Agree.
Duke: Second that. I knew telling Bruce I wouldn't be another Robin was a good idea.
#Tim: that's it I'm changing my name back to Robin#Damian: don't.#Tim: too late#Dick cried himself to sleep the first time this happened to him#the batfam doesn't see Jason for at least two months everytime it happens to him#Damian doesn't show it but he's dreading the day he outgrows robin and the same happens to him#Steph is just happy she never got too used to being called robin because now she doesn't go through that embarrassment#I know Duke was technically some kind of Robin?? but he wasn't BATMAN'S Robin#so he's good#bruce wayne#batman#dick grayson#nightwing#jason todd#red hood#tim drake#red robin#damian wayne#robin#stephanie brown#cassandra cain#batgirl#duke thomas#the signal#alfred pennyworth#dc
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‘Jason was Duke’s robin’ ‘tim was dukes robin’ YOURE ALL FOOLS
Steph as dukes most formative robin is RIGHT THERE
#duke thomas#guest starring:#stephanie brown#headcanon#randywrites#inspired bc I’m trying to be intentional abt adding stuff to the queue & breads post that’s abt to come out got me THINKING abt this#and idk if I ever shared this with y’all but like - OKAY HEAR ME OUT#if you smoosh pre & post New 52 and make Zero Year into NML (so say the Thomas fam does take Bruce in during the aftermath of theearthquake#or like when the us has closed off gotham or like you get it#and that was also the time that Batman was going back to cryptid status. Tim’s Robin was always hiding from cameras in YJ!!! Tim can’t be#dukes formative robin is he’s never seen!!!#but yknow who’s death was publicized pretty broadly as being related to the gang war that she started:) you get one guess :)#yknow who can also be a parallel for Travis in Robin War and who was FUCKIN LEFT OUT OF ROBIN WAR#DO YOU SEE IT. DO YOU SEE THE VISION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#IVE BEEN FOAMING AT THE MOUTH OVER IT FOR MONTHS NOW
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Alfred starts secretly dosing the manor with antidepressants and they stop wanting to fight crime
#i think it'd be funny if he dosed them with antidepressants and suddenly batman is soo much more careful than before#even bruce waynes relationships start improving#bruce starts freaking out when his now chemically balanced brain realizes he's putting his kid in severe danger every night and bans robin#from patrol. until he himself stops#after a few weeks of being 'happy' by his standards he starts realizing that something is amiss and eventually finds out that all the drink#in the manor have anti-depressants. to bring things back to the status qou he starts dosing himself with scarecrows fear toxin and robin#goes back on patrol. alfred is annoyed his plan didnt work oh well was nice while it laste#batman#robin#alfred pennyworth#bruce wayne#damian wayne#my thoughts#sadly jason doesnt get dosed often enough for them to actually work. anti-depressant would work wonders for you bbg#jason todd#tim drake
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I'm reading A Lonely Place of Dying and Alfred latching immediately onto Tim is NASTY work. Tim shows up and is like "I never aimed to be Robin! I mean I did karate my whole life to emulate Robin and just so happen to have sought you out and grabbed this costume in my size out from that case and really you should be calling me Robin just for now and let me come with you as Robin but I never dreamed it would specifically be ME being Robin. You have a lovely house and home btw :) Now go back to being 10." And Dick's understandably like "No I am a grown man now who are you" and Bruce is not here for this one, but later on is like "You aren't Robin, you're some kid dressed up like my dead son." But Alfred?
IMMEDIATELY Alfred is implying Dick was trying to subtly ask Tim to be Robin (simply not true in in NTT 61, when the implication is made, although he changes his mind in Batman 442) and that Bruce should be grateful for this young man's profound bravery and immense natural skill and maybe show him a few pointers or something idk we'll see :) Like let's be clear, the idea that Tim didn't want to be Robin is simply not part of this story outside of like two lines of dialogue where he's like "oh I didn't consider it could be me!" after which he immediately goes "Wow so you ARE gonna let me be Robin right?" the second he sees the opportunity. The guy essentially makes himself Robin once Dick makes it clear he isn't gonna be. Dick tells Tim nobody should be at first (until he changes his mind) but is ignored because Tim doesn't get why and goes with what he understands, his own stance.
I'm of the opinion that the whole "Tim understands that being Robin is an arduous task full of suffering from the start and chooses to bravely yet sadly martyr himself for the cause" thing I see sometimes is strongly disproven, at least in the beginning of his Robin career, by his "Batman NEEDS a Robin (to love and care for and to watch out for him in return :) )" line of reasoning, his subsequent willingness for Anybody to be Robin whether or not it was him (unless he was consciously okay with other children suffering for his benefit which I find really hard to believe,) and his active glee at anything involving being Robin and persistent smiling pursuit of Doing So against Batman's strong disapproval, because he hasn't officially said no (he did several times, but you can't blame a kid for being excited.) Like, I think he said he never dreamed of being Robin just because having a kid come in begging to replace Batman's dead son because it was a personal aspiration would be extraordinarily rude and arrogant and they wanted people to like this one. He was NOT in any way adverse they just couldn't make him THAT presumptuous, and he is by nature of what he's doing already moderately so.
But say it was true, that Tim was actively opposed to being Robin? Alfred would be pushing this shit HARD onto this thirteen year old kid like what the fuck bro. And "From what Master Richard said, he follows your orders." is HEINOUS but let's not get into that.
#of all the robins so far Bruce has foisted Robin on Tim is by far the least Foisted#“Even if he's right I dont want another Robin” vs “He doesn't want me but he hasn't told me no yet :)”#“You can't kill batman or nightwing!” “Or Robin?? :D”#bro is literally “And Bumblebee!”#tim says he never wanted it for himself but he actively seeks out being Robin so I think that's like “oh i never imagined”#^I've finished reading through and other dialogue directly confirms this#“yeah it hasn't occurred to be that I could ever be Robin but yk just in case-ies I've been actively preparing to be Robin half my life”#I considered the “being robin is a burden” angle to that line but if that IS what he's saying#it would be pretty fucked up that he'd be okay with anyone being Robin him or not. Like he doesn't come into this AIMING to be Robin#because he's never thought about it#and he clearly has no sense of why Dick is saying no so I can't fully buy into that#I guess the best answer rlly is him being like “oh little old me being robin? :o well gosh golly im doing that now”#i mean the actual best answer is “whoops fuck actually people want Robin back in the story egg on our face with that one”#but yk. in universe#“if they think they can kill Robin with no repercussions who will they hunt down next!”#I mean. They can do that. It becomes a major issue that they can in fact do that with no repercussions. They would be right because its tru#In his first story Tim is ALREADY hyping up the cops as an impregnable force. This is subtle Chuck Dixon foreshadowing#tim drake#batman#dc comics#alfred pennyworth
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How it feels when people argue that someone isn't a batkid, while Batman/Bruce takes one look at a child and calls them "son"/"young lady":
DC fans: Every bitch can't be your son!
Bruce: ...
DC fans: Batman... I didn't mean...
Bruce: How could you say that to Bruce Wayne?
DC fans: Batman...
#batman#bruce wayne#batfam#robin#batgirl#dc comics#my ramblings#currently reading the batman and detective comics from around when Tim joined and like Bruce called him “son” before he was officially Robin#the man spends two days with a kid and that's it they're his now#also he hugs him anytime Tim is sad#also when he is being like “Batman needs Robin” him Alfred and Dick acknowledge that Bruce needs a child to take care of to be okay#because family is the most important thing to him they are like “being a dad is a core element of Bruce which is why he is struggling rn”#anyway do not let your kid for too long with that man he will refuse to give them back
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batfam in random situations part 1 (?): airport
i’m so deep into batfam brainrot its kind of terrifying. so. uh. yeah. here is what i think they’re all like on a vacation that requires flight. for all intents and purposes, this is a commercial airline lets pretend the private jet that bruce so totally owns is out of commission. apologies if these are not accurate to their characters, i’m just having fun lol
for starters i definitely think bruce is that parent who’s super anal about getting to the airport on time
like the flight leaves at 8:30, bruce wants to get up at 2:30 and wake everyone else up with him
he’s got checklists for every kid cause every kid is different
i think this house looks like chaos - like think home alone when the mcallisters’ power goes out and they wake up late except the fam is just like that
i’d like to think duke is the most prepared out of all of them - he’s got his suitcase, his carryon, and the comfiest yet cutest airport clothes (cause you know the hot airport people you’re only ever gonna see once? duke dresses to be one of those people)
duke is getting dragged into the chaos though - one minute he’s sitting watching some avatar: the last airbender, next he’s being bombarded by dick asking if he’s gonna ge arrested for bringing shampoo thats only a little over 8 ounces (its like 8.00001)
“no, damian. you can’t bring alfred with you to france. ESPECIALLY not batcow!”
tim was supposed to pack last night. and he was going to, honest! but then the drug case he’d been tracking picked up some heat again and the time got away from him. so he ropes cass into helping him pack efficiently. she only agrees if he lets her have the window seat.
i feel like out of all of them, jason is not a flying kind of guy? like a part of me is really getting the vibe that jason hates to fly so he’s always gotta have some dramamine on him. that and some noise-canceling headphones.
window seat fans: dick, tim, cass, steph
aisle seaters: bruce, jason, duke, damian
middle seaters (not by choice): tim, and on occasion bruce
tim has never ONCE gotten a window seat when they fly
steph’s carryon is JAMPACKED with everything you could ever need. first aid, secret snacks, etc. she’s surprised it even fit with her.
dick always brings a double headphone adapter, so he forces whatever sibling he’s seated besides (usually tim) to watch his airplane movie of choice: crazy rich asians
unrelated but do you think to keep up appearances, bruce joined the mile high club? i think so but anyway back to our regularly scheduled program
there are more pictures of damian watching a movie on his green-cased tablet with big headphones than he would like there to be. most of these pictures exist on dick’s phone.
it’s a struggle to get tim to sleep at home but on flights? he sleeps like a mf’in baby. especially when it’s a night flight so the cabin is dark and comfortable with those pretty lights. yeah goodnight tim drake.
steph is not afraid to get up in an annoying kid’s face if he’s kicking her seat. she’ll fight.
one thing about duke? he’s gonna fuck up some in-flight snacks. sometimes he won’t even eat them on the flight, he’ll just buy a few bags of the peanuts and collect them as a snack for vacation. they work well for him if they go on walking tours that last all day
more pictures on dick’s phone that said subject wish didn’t exist: photos of jason conked out on bruce’s shoulder and he is most definitely drooling
dick HATES airplane bathrooms. he’d rather piss himself than relieve himself in one of those.
cass’s airplane playlist is fire. she even looks cool listening to it.
damian CANNOT be seated behind tim; thats just a recipe for a no-no. he WILL kick the seat and there WILL be blood. no exceptions.
i skipped ahead to the actual flight and not the airport whoopsies let’s go over that below
dick always gets nervous going through bag check - he’s always FINE but he worries that somehow he’s got something he shouldn’t in his bag (this is something i do i KNOW i don’t have anything i shouldnt but what if 20 kilos of cocaine suddenly just appeared in my suitcase?)
tim has definitely had airport sushi like that snl skit. didn’t end well.
remember how i said duke was one of those hot people you see at the airport that you never see again? cass is also one of those people. they are just a cool duo and the paparazzi pictures are lowkey an aesthetic
bruce does a roll call at least seven times. it’s necessary since they have left a kid at home before (it was tim. he was salty about it for at least a month and guilt tripped everyone into doing what he pleased because of it)
to pass the time before they board, steph and jason play cards. their favorites are war and speed.
jason plays wait for me (reprise) in his headphones everytime he walks on one of those horizontal escalator thingys
dick and steph like to impersonate the flight attendants when they do that safety walkthrough
the kids all race each other down that long hallway before they board
unless he goes with them, alfred’s vacation usually begins when bruce texts him that they’ve landed and are on the way to the hotel (which opens the door for other shenanigans i might do a part 2 after all)
okay i think thats all i have i think other scenarios i’d like to do are these:
batfam at a hotel
batfam going grocery shopping
batfam at a wayne gala
batfam on vacation
there are probably more but who knows. for all i know, i’ll never do another one of these again.
#batman#bruce wayne#tim drake#bat family#dick grayson#jason todd#alfred pennyworth#damian wayne#stephanie brown#cassandra cain#this was so silly#ive been watching batman movies all day i was inspired#who was gonna tell me batman unlimited tim was such a cutiepants#a little idiot but a cutie nonetheless#tim is my favorite robin i think#at least for now#it could go back to being jason any day#my headcanons
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saw someone being wrong about kon on the internet again (i know. shocking) and you are all so lucky i'm sick and feverish and lazy because i DID just seriously entertain the thought of writing up a small essay complete with issue and panel citations about why it's simply incorrect to say that kon never really seemed to reciprocate any sort of crush on tim before geoff/tt03. this is just not true. you dont have to actually ship them but to downplay their importance to each other even in the earliest days is simply incorrect. i'm too tired and achy to bother digging through comics to pull up all the issues that have the bits i want to point at but like... they were both very mutually important to each other from early on. it was in no way shape or form one-sided, whether you want to read that as platonic or romantic. man.
#rimi talks#id rather put my limited energy towards the tender t4t timkonisms fic but in my heart this is a longass post#kon's sb94 alice in wonderland nightmare sequence. kon's entire Everything @ tim in issue 85.#the entire concept of robin kon?????? hello?????#the way they function as a unit so easily in yj98 even While actively bickering???#graduation day and judd winick explicitly saying he wanted them to come out of the closet [together]??#kon going out of his way to not only do bits just to annoy tim but also being protective of him at the same time?? (in yj98 again)#him wanting robin's number in wf3 (and then getting it sometime before rex leech roller coaster issue)??????#what are you fucking onnnnnnnnn#you dont have to read it as romantic if you dont want to but they were undeniably close and it was undeniably mutual. bro#i just um. i just think that if youre so internet poisoned to hate a ship that you have to deny the characters have mutual importance#to each other in the canon material (but you can't deny it from one side so you have to claim it's mostly one-sided and blame a writer)#then maybe you should um log off and reread canon ?#<- that's petty sorry but im just saying.#anyways.#returning to the timkon mines now. crawls back into my word doc
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tbh im all on board with evil tim, but what made him evil this time?? it's probably something semi dramatic but i feel like mans is so close to snapping that they could have just cancelled his favorite energy drink flavor and he just went "Okay Time To Be Evil Now"
So yeah like I said, Tim in my au turns evil more to prove his point that batman needs a Robin, so he does all the stuff of dressing up as Robin and rescuing Bruce but instead of Bruce agreeing he instead says no the last Robin died doing this I'm not putting another kid in danger again go home, batman does begin to get better more bc he realises he got so bad a kid had to save him, but yeah Tim still is very much batman needs a Robin Bruce should have let me become Robin if Bruce can't see that I'm gonna force him to see that and takes up the role of the reverse Robin who helps villains fight batman
#ask#anon#Being around all these villains tho starts to fuck with Tim's perspective#And he falls into the#I would have been the world's greatest Robin if only Bruce would have let me#Also in this au steph still becomes Robin and Tim hates her for that#Tim also hates Jason when he comes back#Bc by that point Tim's completely lost the plot#And he blames Jason dying for where he is#Which might be juvi at that point#Not sure got this au completely worked out#Honestly laughing at how different it is now to what I was originally doodling 2 days ago
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I always found it slightly awkward how media makes siblings or people who see each other as siblings call each other brother/sister all the time as in real life you almost never see people do that with their own siblings (maybe someone out there like that)
In the case of Arkham Shadows I see why they did though because Bruce quite literally tells Harvey he loves him and Harvey says it back. Can't have the audience think Batman is in love with the DA.
They had Bruce pay for his college, pay for his campaign, pay for his surgery, pay for his therapy and had Harvey have him as his best man at his wedding. Wow..... Sugar baby Harvey is real.....
The calling sibling title thing is less common in English than in some other languages for sure- me and a couple of my siblings do it on occasion, but it's for a bit then. More common is when I call one of my close family friends "my sister" or "my nephew" when talking about them to someone else because it's faster and easier to say that than to say "my friend who I've known since she was born and lived with for a few years and consider a little sister" or "child of a close family friend who considers me an aunt" to someone who doesn't know them. Which is a lot of words to say that if they wanted to fully sell me on the brothers thing they should have either had a different bit or should have referred to the other as "my brother" when talking to an unrelated character instead.
But "oh no we have to make Bruce not look gay" has been a problem DC has struggled with more than once for many decades and it basically never works so I guess at least they didn't try to solve it this time by having Bruce pick a lady love over Harvey or cutting the holding hands thing
Because I saw that scrapbook! I know Harvey has been Bruce's sugar baby since he was ten years old! But we can't have Bruce take Harvey's hand and call him the love of his life because ok technically that's Gotham but also because gay. And we can't have Bruce take Harvey's hand and call him his best friend because they're not ten anymore and somehow that seems gay also. So brothers it is, I guess. Even if I think my brothers would bite my finger if I ever tried to pay for everything for them on that scale, guess it's different at billionaire levels
#I'm actually simultaneously a believer in grew up like brothers and absolutely down bad romantically#(and harvey as a representation of Gotham itself as a love)#like an election in two (three) positions at once#but the point remains- you can't really fully cover the care by slapping a brother label on it like dc tries to to avoid it being too gay ig#which is very funny because did you see all the bi Tim and Dick stuff in Gotham Knights- but Robin has always had more freedom than Batman#in the 'can we let anyone think he's anything other than totally straight' department#anyway now I'm thinking about how on earth-3 all the characters get a morality flip#but Two Face/Three Face is the only one i can think of who gets a gender flip as well#as if 'oh if we had just originally conceived of Dent as a woman it would have been better (morally) because then it wouldn't have ended up#looking so gay'#but no they did not explore that thread because apparently uh having love interests in the joker and riddler was more important#which you'd think should reflect back on standard issue harv eddy and clown but uh. not really no they don't want to admit it#and i suppose 'well no three face wouldn't have a thing for owlman because he's technically not a version of Bruce he's a version of b's#brother'#but like then again. if Harvey is his brother. then shouldn't something have been used there to connect it#in any way at all#but no#instead I'm left with many thoughts about Harvey as a brother as a lover as a personification of gotham and as a woman but#i am still very sleepy rn so i don't know how many of those thoughts are coherent#but all that to say#YEAH SUGAR BABY HARVEY#guess it wouldn't be comforting for Harvey to shakily ask what he is#and Bruce to answer 'you're my companion who i turn to for affection in and give you obscene amounts of money in turn'#but like. it also wouldn't have been incorrect.#... though 'sugar baby harv as part of the representation of Gotham itself' probably has something to it too#but i digress I'm sleepy#pocket talks to people#anon#* i meant 'electron' not 'election' in that earlier tag
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Me bc I’m new to the dc fandom and got really attached to the batfam fast and found out in the comic book store near my house today that Tim drake is canonically queer
#you don’t get it he’s my favorite Robin#What do you mean main characters in stuff as huge as DC get to be openly queer#What do you mean he has a boyfriend CANONICALLY and they’re really cute together#What do you mean that this is real and canon and not just me daydreaming again#I bought the book ofc#It was the dc pride 2021 or 2022 one#I cried MULTIPLE TIMES reading it#they got the queer experience so right everytime#I’m unwell#they got WHAT IT MEANS TO BE ACE RIGHT#did I know half of those characters? No#Do I care? Not at all#I’m now emotionally attached to that aquaman kid#dc pride#tim drake#queer joy#dcu#jon kent#OH NOT TO MENTION THATJONS QUEER#I mean I knew he was#I heard about that a few years back tho I wasn’t in the fandom yet#But like-#thats SUPERMAN#well- superboy technically ish#But like that’s fucking superman#Being gay#My brain is crashing brb#I didn’t even cry during son of Achilles but apparently it took Batman and Superman’s kids being gay to make me cry#And then there’s fucking Kevin conroys story#I hope he got to know that Batman’s kid is queer
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