#and thinks it means stefan respecting elena's choices and not carolines

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Just wanted to let you know that after our discussion on s7,I looked up on YouTube and found this one interview that had Plec,King,Neil and Melinda talking about the season.And I laughed because what they said and what happened was so so different.This proves, yet again, that what writers say in interviews are either lies or they mostly make up sh** to bait and switch.I mean we already knew julie wasn't involved in that season but she straight-up made up a scene where Caroline wasn't ready to leave Stefan behind when Stefan's life was in danger.And Neil said they knew going from s6 that the long arc of s7 would be about Damon-Bonnie and Stefan-Caroline.I don't remember Bamon and Bonnie getting importance at all except the first few episodes and the last few episodes although most of that was happening in Enzo's presence.The only two things that remained constant were Plec blaming Candice for getting pregnant and Dries for the flash forwards.Unbelievable!

Oh Anon I had no idea they did hour long podcasts for each season a few years ago until this! I've seen snippets of the clips on Twitter but I didn't realize it was a whole series. So I watched it and I actually felt like it validated my theory that Dries was behind so much of the S7 fuckery. There's a part where Julie says she can't do "math" storylines and that Dries whole pitch about the FF involved that so that's why she stepped away from the plotting of that. Makes sense Dries would use that to be like "oh don't worry I got this whole plan it's gonna be great" and Julie believed her until she started seeing the finished episodes (while they aired apparently *sigh*) and was like WTF. I feel like Neil and Melinda were talking about what they thought the season was going to be about with continuing the arc but then Dries derailed that.

I mean Neil's episodes had good Bonnie and Bamon in them (7x04 then later 7x21) so it makes sense he'd say that even if overall it wasn't a lot. That's because Dries hates Bonnie and I remember her being so rude to Kat at SDCC before that season aired when Kat was talking about how fans liked Bamon. Julie hates it too but at she'll at least give importance to their friendship, Dries does everything in her power to exclude it. Julie also said how Stefan and Caroline's storyline changed once Candice told them she was pregnant. I thought there was going to be way more Lily/Caroline/Stefan in S7 especially in regards to vampirism/ripper-dom but instead Valerie got inserted there. I remember how in 7x01 Valerie has straight light brown hair and then it becomes curlier and blonder as the season progresses and I know that was intentional.

I think the lazy development of Bonnie and Enzo falls on her too! I know a lot of people like them but I just find them so basic, I never like ships with so little build-up like that. They also talked about how they had to connect the FF with the current episode and I feel like that caused BS too like Stefan burning the car and needing to say in the present "do whatever you want but do not touch my car" was a jab at SC because Lily was holding Caroline captive.

Edited to add: OMG there was a lot sorry, I don't know what Julie was talking about with the motel scene and Candice seemed to confuse it with the scene in 7x12(I think?) when Matt saved her in news studio but, Neil was the only one who knew what he was talking about there. He summed up the 7x21 scene as at first how Stefan didn't respect Caroline's choice (TO DIE FFS) by being caveman-y but then they talked it out and why he did it. But that scene has wayyyy more nuance to it in the overall character of Stefan that can't be explained in a podcast setting like that.

[kiss-my-freckle]

This is what Julie said about Elena's love for Damon being legitimate after season 4 but fans still think it wasn't and that her feelings were manipulated by the sire bond:

“It’s been a rough few years for Damon when it comes to his love life — but Julie tells us it’s finally time for him to have some legitimate joy in his life. “Yes. Absolutely,” she says.

I always felt Elena's love for Damon was legitimate because I saw it for myself, so I never actually questioned the sire bond. I didn't feel the need to. Whenever a character like Tyler or the witch in New Orleans said something to support Elena's love being real, I kept expecting the brothers to finally believe it because I always believed it. I didn't expect Damon and Stefan to question it further, and it shocked me that they did. If fans saw Delena the way I saw Delena since her birthday, they wouldn't have questioned it either.

One of the biggest problems fans have, is the difference between Elena and Katherine. Katherine dated both brothers without guilt, and didn't care what that would do to Damon. When fans watch Katherine rip Damon's heart out in 2x1, that's what Elena is trying to avoid with Stefan in season 3. Katherine may not care that she'll lose Damon in choosing Stefan, but Elena cares that she'll lose Stefan in choosing Damon. He's her best friend, the brother that savaed her life and helped her move on. She has a lot of respect for him, for everything he did for her. But yeah, her heart is with Damon.

Fans are always arguing with me about 3x22 because they view it as Elena having no reason to lie, but Elena did have reason to lie. While she may have believed they were all gonna die, she was conflicted in that belief. She was heading back to Stefan, Tyler, and Caroline because she believed they were all gonna die. But at the same time, she's telling Damon he's gonna be okay and she's gonna see him again soon. So yeah, she's extremely conficted. She's telling Damon that she chooses Stefan, yet she doesn't want him to get it in his head that it will always be Stefan. It's the same thing in 4x1. She's telling Stefan that she chose him, yet she doesn't want him to get it in his head that she'll be with him forever. It's IF she wants. That's what "right now" means, and she's all but revealing herself in her own lies.

I felt they ruined Stefan in seasons 3 and 4 just by the way they had him deal with it all. Perhaps because I expected him to be the more mature one. Like the good brother is supposed to be the good brother. If he's gonna respect her choices, he should respect all of her choices, even the ones that lead him to heartbreak. Damon is selfish with her life, but Stefan is seflish with her love, and I feel that's worse.

[zalrb]

I’ve seen so many people say that Stefan only loved someone if they saw him as a hero and he wasn’t in love with Elena anymore in s4 because he couldn’t be her hero anymore. Also that Stefan only fell in love with orphaned girls. First Katherine, then Elena, then Caroline. What do you have to say about this?

On the real, part of me just wants to leave my response at, based on the meticulous and involved masterlist that's pinned to my blog that answers these types of ridiculous assertions in various posts even if not directly asked, I think my stance is clear and the other part of me is bored so I'm debating.

I guess I'll go with the latter but I have to reiterate that these are stupid takes.

he wasn’t in love with Elena anymore in s4 because he couldn’t be her hero anymore.

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besides the fact that I would never say Elena saw Stefan as a hero and I would say that Stefan never cared for anyone to see him as a hero, which is something I’ve explained in great detail over and fucking over again, I mean I have a masterlist, Damon is the one who wants to be Elena’s hero

to the point that Sybil gets her hooks in him by pretending to be an Elena desperate to be saved

even the framing of Damon running off to “get his girl” is very him swooping in to be her saviour or her hero

The language of Stelena is different

Damon tries to frame Stefan’s behaviour in 2x08 as “all hail hero hair Stefan going off to get his girl” but Stefan is literally just like, it’s not even about that. Elena is in trouble and I need to find her it’s really just that simple

which is the kind of attitude Elena herself has about Stefan

but not taking any of that into account (because who cares about context amirite) if their argument is that Elena didn’t see Stefan as her hero in season 4, I guess they’re forgetting that Elena still does rely on him quite a bit

From another post of mine (MASTERLIST) Like blood is supposed to be where they have their disagreement except that even with that, Elena looks to Stefan, they work together like a team

The one time she didn’t, she literally had no choice because she was sired to Damon and Damon explicitly told her not to tell him.

to the point that when she has no humanity, the way she chooses to explain to Rebekah that she’s a bad person is by bringing up how she destroyed her relationship with Stefan

and she was plainly jealous in season 4

Stefan simply de-centers himself because he’s not Damon and he respects boundaries so when they’re not together anymore and Elena is having issues, he’s not quick to swoop in and save the day because that’s not his place anymore, that’s Damon’s 

DErs should just say they hate boundaries and leave. Like we’ve all watched the show, there are receipts.

2. Also that Stefan only fell in love with orphaned girls. First Katherine, then Elena, then Caroline. 

So, people realize that TVD is a show right? And Stefan isn’t written as a character who specifically goes out of his way to fall in love with orphaned girls and it’s not even like it’s a pattern that the show didn’t realize they did, which makes him, I don’t even know what they’re trying to say with this accusation, that he likes women who don’t have parents so he can fill a void?  JP and co simply have a hard-on for killing off parents because it’s the only way they can think of to try and nuance their characters and/or get Elena to relate to them

Rebekah

Anna

Katherine

Rose

Who on this show isn’t an orphan or doesn’t have abandonment issues because their parents are negligent?

Tyler’s parents:

and then Damon kills Mason

Bonnie:

Grams died

her father died

her mother is absentee

and doesn’t even stick around when Enzo dies.

Matt

Kelly just disappears leaving him to fend off rent and car insurance on his own

even when Matt tells her to leave in 1x18, she didn’t have to go, she could physically leave the house and stay around to keep an eye on her son but she just straight up leaves

Caroline and Matt bond in season 1 because they both feel incredibly isolated, for her because Damon is abusive and for him because he has no one in his life, Kelly is never around, his father abandoned them and he thinks Vicki left too not knowing she was murdered 

Season 8  for Matt is all about contending with his dad abandoning him.

Hell, Kai has parental/family issues

The heretics are a found family because they were cast out by their covens. This is just a TVD staple.

3.  What do you have to say about this?

 What a STUPID argument.

[queenofstelena]

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Stefan, Elena, Caroline, Tyler, Bonnie, and Damon

I'm gonna warn you there's a lot heheheheheh! Also sorry this took forever! Also I hope I didn't come off as rude or anything in any of my responses!

Stefan

• My NOTP for them: I thought it was Valerie maybe Caroline but I think it's Katherine. Valerie left him but Caroline cared for him and (I'm 99.9% she didn't treat him like trash so shes good in my book but I still don't ship them.) Now I'm just gonna say this Katherine and Stefan do look chemistry together. I do believe Katherine cares for very few people and he may be one of those people. But that doesn't really excuse...she messed him up. Like bad. Like really really bad. Now I do like Katherine's personality she's pretty cool but that wasn't her best moment. I'm not Kat hater but she shouldn't have compelled and manipulated Stefan in the way she did.

• My BROTP for them: Lexi! I mean have you seen these two they're the best together (platonically of course) they bring the best out of each other. And Lexi truly cares for Stefan she's been they're for him during his blood cravings to the times he shut of his humanity. It's really hard not to love they're friendship especially since it's healthier compared to some of the other relationships in tvd.

• My OTP for them: Stelena (duh). I just find them to be adorable. And healthier than delena. *cough *cough Stefan never forced Elena to do anything and let her make her own choices. And Elena accepted Stefan for who he was and loved him even more for it especially because he was honest! And he also didn't go and kill innocent people because he was mad Elena broke up with him. Sorry for the rant! Delena lovers don't come for me!

• My second choice pairing for them: it's between Caroline and Rebekah with Stefan. As far as I know they both treated him right. Correct me if I'm wrong. As long as they cared for him that's all that matters in my book.

• My fluffy pairing for them: Still stelena because they're so adorable it makes me want to write fluffy fanfiction of them. Which I have. 15 to be exact. I find they're relationship to be very sweet and I love that they have an mutual understanding and respect of one another. I also love how they both bring the best out of each other. And they (usually) make each other very happy and that's a A+ in my book!

• My angsty pairing for them: Stefan and Katherine. I mean report to whole first paragraph it'll tell you exactly why.

• My favorite poly ship for them: I don't have any tbh.

• My weirdest pairing for them: Klaus and Stefan...? Not 100% sure tbh.

Elena

• My NOTP for them: Delena. No respect. Just some prize to be won in Damon eyes. Goes on a killing spree if she breaks up with him. Doesn't want her to make her own choices. Doesn't have regard for who Elena cares for which in the end, ends up hurting Elena. Kinda felt like he expected her to be exactly like Katherine. Sire bond. Sorry sometimes I love Damon other times I don't.

• My BROTP for them: Elena and Bonnie. Bonnie truly cares for all of her friends and it's hard not to love they're friendship especially when they stuck together through thick and thin. Bonnie is the most loyal and caring friend we need more people like her.

• My OTP for them: Stelena <3 they're so adorable like I said before! :)

• My second choice pairing for them: Elejah.

• My fluffy pairing for them: Stelena!

• My angsty pairing for them: Delena. I mean have you seen they're arguments it was intense and not in a good way.

• My favorite poly ship for them: I don't have any.

• My weirdest pairing for them: The only ship that weird would be Klaus and Elena 😳 cause you know he killed her aunt. Maybe Delena cause Damon snapped Jeremy's neck. 😳

Caroline

• My NOTP for them: Klaroline. Why? Klaus hurt her friends multiple times. But I do respect how he did change but it's kinda hard to like the ship because of all the awful things he has done to the group and others in general. I do like he changed and became better but it feels weird to me it's like delena in the way We're Elena got with Damon after all the horrible things he did. (How he treated Caroline, his brother, how he treated Andy, killed Lexi, killed their nephew, killed Countless innocents, manipulate people to get what he wanted.) In conclusion I don't like Klaus but I do like Caroline. She also mentioned why would I help you after you've hurt me friends multiple times? Great point Caroline! Kudos to Care! I also love Caroline because I relate to her the most out of everyone. I love how she's never afraid to point out when somethings wrong, cares for others deeply, and is never afraid to be honest. (OK everyone is afraid sometimes but you get my point!)

• My BROTP for them: Bonnie <3 She's the greatest and literally does anything for all of her friends including Care!

• My OTP for them: Forwood <3 why? Cause they're cute! They're My comfort ship. I mean come on have you seen this two 👇

• My second choice pairing for them: Steroline I believe Stefan treated her well and she treated him well!

• My fluffy pairing for them: Forwood! Literally so fluffy and cute!

• My angsty pairing for them: Forwood had its angsty moments!

• My favorite poly ship for them: I don't have any!

• My weirdest pairing for them: I don't have any either!

Tyler

• My NOTP for them: Ticki, this is mainly because I ship forwood and Vicky wasn't exactly the greatest person in the world. (No offense.) And Tyler wasn't exactly the greatest towards her as well. I think Caroline helped him become a better person along with learning himself especially with his journey of turning into a werewolf and things like that.

• My BROTP for them: Tyler and Matt!

• My OTP for them: Forwood my beloved <3

• My second choice pairing for them: I don't think I have any #forwoodforever!

• My fluffy pairing for them: Forwood is always going to win no changing My mind!

• My angsty pairing for them: Forwood could be angsty tbh.

• My favorite poly ship for them: None.

• My weirdest pairing for them: I don't have any.

Bonnie

• My NOTP for them: Benzo I guess??? But I don't really know if I would say Benzo tho. I don't really know Enzos character well enough to say no but not yes either. Honestly I just want Bonnie to be happy she's suffered to much!

• My BROTP for them: Bonnie and Elena. I love they're friendship! I do like Bonnie and Caroline as well! <3

• My OTP for them: Bamon! They're so cute and actually legit healthy!

• My second choice pairing for them: Bamon!

• My fluffy pairing for them: Bamon! They're so adorable! I love stelena hugs but they're hugs as sooooo cute! Especially this one 👇

• My angsty pairing for them: Benzo cause you know he died in her arms. And her scream was terrifying and extremely sad.

• My favorite poly ship for them: I don't have any sorry! 😭

• My weirdest pairing for them: None!

Damon

• My NOTP for them: Delena. No words for that. I think I already made it very clear why! 😌

• My BROTP for them: Stefan and Damon! I love how in the end their bond was fixed and their relationship got better as the show progressed!

• My OTP for them: Bamon! They're My favorite non couple canon ship. I ship them but sadly their relationship wasn't canon 😭. Usually I don't like two characters that had no romantic scenes together but this is the exception. I. Mean.Come.On.Look.At.Them! They have chemistry why couldn't they've been together! I know I've said this about the other couples but this is the most true they brought out the best in each other!!!!

• My second choice pairing for them: No one but bamon!

• My fluffy pairing for them: Bamon!

• My angsty pairing for them: Delena! Eeek!

• My favorite poly ship for them: Don't have any!

• My weirdest pairing for them: None.

[voidsteffy]

2,10, and 23 for the salty asks <3

omg i think you're gonna regret asking me, because this is so long 😬

2. Are there any popular fandom OTPs you only BroTP?*

Nancy Drew - Bess and Odette. She barely knew the lady! Give my queen some recovery period from her *ehm* HUNDRED YEARS OF TRAUMA before wanting to jump the bones of the body she's possessing RNM - It's weird, but Max and Anatsa. I could never picture them, even as a fling. TVD - Jeremy and Bonnie. when they were together, it was actually an illegal ship y'all. Jeremy was 16, and Bonnie was 18-19. I really wished they'd just bonded as a human connection to Elena and not... yk, ghost-shagged each other Gilmore Girls - LANE AND ZACH. where did they even come from? out of thin air that's where. Lane deserved her happy ending with Dave Rygalski and I will die on this hill. Teen Wolf - (brace yourself) Lydia and Parrish. Malia and Parrish. Melissa and Argent. wtf? at this point I'm pretty sure Jeff Davis just played chits and picked his ships randomly. All of Parrish's ships are ew (that's just his luck unfortunately) and Melissa with Peter would have been the best choice are you kidding me? ARGENT AND MELISSA'S KIDS WERE TOGETHER, and not even fwb-together. like SOULMATE together! Grey's Anatomy - Addison and Alex. They couldn't cash in major potential there. She was the right amount of bitchy to get him off his macho ass. Not everyone has to sleep with everyone Miss Shonda! Also, Teddy and Owen. They're best as friends, because (i hate to admit this) Teddy was right in s18 (was it 19, i think it was 19?) when she told Link to stay away from Jo because marrying best friends and then hating them in marriage is sad.

10. Most disliked arc? Why?

RNM - Again, the Max-Anatsa storyline. It's like, again, they played chits with who she should be with. My Max is not the one-night stand kinda guy (which I'm proud of, representation of my soul) and him sleeping with Anatsa and then just dropping her is WACKY. Isobel and Anatsa were so much better, and had good development Nancy Drew - Park's arc. The writers had the potential in their very hands and chucked it themselves. Park as the ISM/FHK would have made so much sense, it would have been the best direction for his appearance. TVD - The entire Alaric x Caroline thing. HATED THAT. HATED THAT the way Ashley Ippolito hates Nate Jacobs. He's like 15 years older than her and IS HER BEST FRIEND'S STEPDAD. And the Alaric and Stefan pissing contest for Caroline. Dear writers you didn't give Caroline Forbes the Elle Woods arc she deserved to put her in this dump of a situation! Gilmore Girls - Married Dean cheating thing. "He's MY Dean" Rory honey go touch some grass and juggle some balls. He's fucking married and as your mother once said "Solidarity Sister". Lindsey wasn't all that bad, and she definitely deserved better than being cheated on at the age of 19. Teen Wolf - Argent and Melissa. Explained above. Notice how in the movie, Argent and Melissa didn't really have any romantic/close scene without a third wheel (thank God)? It's like Jeff Davis finally realized that oh shit, aren't their respective kids the main reason this all started? Grey's Anatomy - Jackson and Maggie. Just— NO.

23. Unpopular character you love?

Nancy Drew - everyone loves everyone in this one. so I can't really say anything divergent RNM - i think we love everyone right? TVD - VIncent Griffith (does he count? idk but I love his humor and badassery). Oh, and also Valerie Tulle. She was sweet while she lasted wasn't she? I honestly saw more in Stellerie than in Steroline (why you booing me when I'm right!) Gilmore Girls - Lindsey. Just because her taste in music is different from Rory and Jess's, doesn't mean she's not a good human. She tried so much to keep her marriage afloat, and I've never seen her be rude like Rory to Shane. Grey's Anatomy - Sam Bello (basically foetus Liz Ortecho) because she's the sweetest most bubbly thing after firecrackers in honey.

thanks for the ask man, omg i love being salty

[cuddlyreader]

Another TVD ask if you don't mind?! 1. Three less popular TVD ships that you love (one of mine is Jenna/Alaric---don't mock me :)) 2. Your three favorite seasons in order 3. What do you see as a couple of the greatest strengths AND clearest flaws of each of these characters: Elena, Bonnie, Caroline, Damon and Stefan? 4. Name three unpopular opinions you have about the show! Enjoy, and happy holidays!

I would never mock you. I think that all relationships serve as learning vehicles and stepping stones, and they should change and grow as we do. Alaric and Jenna helped each other heal, which is a good thing. I feel this way about most of the relationships in TVD. They all serve a purpose. This is an extra long post so I am attempting to put a "keep reading." I hope it works, but if it doesn't, I apologize. :)

Happy holidays!!

Three less popular TVD ships that I love (FYI: I'm not sure which couples are popular or unpopular, but these are my faves after Delena.): Bonnie and Enzo, Alaric and Jo (I love Jodi Lyn O'Keefe!), and Klaus and Caroline. What I love and prefer are honesty and trust, which is why Delena is my favorite. These couples all know the worst truths about each other and still build something. Yes. I know Klaroline didn't happen, but they had a spark. I maintain that it would have been epic.

My three favorite seasons in order: 1.) Season 3...I love Delena falling in love, and I love the originals, especially Klaus and Elijah. I was sad when they left Mystic Falls. 2.) Season 6...Delena are in peak love, and it's gorgeous. Damon is so soft and pure that I can barely handle it. I think Alaric and Jo are adorable. I love the development of Damon and Bonnie's friendship. 3.) Season 5...Delena is obviously fabulous, but I also like that we get backstory for Damon, who is my absolute favorite character. I love Damon and Jeremy and Damon and Enzo. I liked Paul Wesley as Silas. He's just hilarious.

Greatest strengths and flaws:

Elena - Strengths: 1. Elena is strong, and I mean emotionally. She experiences horrific loss time after time and dies twice, and this girl gets up every morning and goes to school, takes care of her brother (and Jenna and Alaric), and continues to make it through. 2. She is also compassionate, as everyone knows. This is the reason she can care about Anna and Rebekah losing their mother even when they are doing bad things to her or her friends. It's also the reason that she can fall in love with the love of her life. She doesn't even have the capacity to hate Katherine as she is dying. For the record, I do. 3. I'm going to add a third because I want to. Elena supports her friends and family always. She encourages Jenna with Alaric. She tries to ease Jenna's fear and guilt at the ritual. She basically takes care of Alaric after Jenna dies under the pretense that he is looking after her and Jeremy. She encourages Caroline with Matt and then Stefan and doesn't judge the Klaroline hookup. She tries to stop Caroline from turning off her humanity and then works to help her turn it back on. She supports Bonnie with Jeremy and is mad on Bonnie's behalf when he screws up the first time around. She consistently tries to be present for Bonnie when tragedy strikes and respectfully stays distant when Bonnie needs it even though it breaks her heart. She's there for Stefan more than I agree with, so I'm not listing things here other than her always supporting the brothers being brothers. She knows that Damon cares about people long before anyone else figures it out. She supports him through losing Katherine, Rose dying, losing Stefan to Klaus, etc. That's barely touching how she is with Damon, but this is long already. Flaws: 1. I've said this before. Elena can be selfish. She willingly would sacrifice herself and demand that her choice be respected, but she doesn't respect the choices of those who love her. She is basically saying that her choice is the only valid one. 2. Elena's denial of the truth is the flaw that I hate the most. She gets solid proof that Stefan is a liar when she finds that picture of Katherine. Then, somehow she continues to believe that he is a pillar of morals. She sees his serial killer wall and still doesn't see the truth of Stefan. It literally takes him attacking her for her to get it. I won't even start on how hard she fought being in love with Damon. That girl lives in denial.

Bonnie - Strengths: 1. Bonnie is also strong. She grieves hard and takes her needed healing time, but she keeps going just like Elena. 2. Bonnie is an amazing friend. I want her to be my friend. She sees the truth and accepts that some things have nothing to do with her. For instance, when Damon tells her that Delena kissed and sends Bonnie and Elena off on a road trip, she puts any misgivings she has about Damon aside and asks Elena how she feels. Flaws: 1. Bonnie is initially super judgmental without having pertinent details. 2. Also, her refusal to accept the supernatural pouring into their lives rivals Elena's denial, especially given that she herself is supernatural.

Caroline - Strengths: 1. Caroline is a bright and happy person. She maintains this almost always. I think it takes a certain strength to see the world that way all the time. 2. She is also fiercely loyal, at least to some of her friends. She takes it upon herself to help Tyler when he enacts his curse, and she is always there for Stefan. Flaws: 1. Caroline is super judgmental to a fault, and it only applies when she sees fit. Nothing makes me angrier than Stefan and Caroline feeling bad about the hybrids killing Klaus because somehow he's worth compassion but not feeling like Damon deserves the same compassion. I can't even wrap my head around that. 2. While Caroline is loyal to Tyler and Stefan, she is not the greatest friend to Elena. Yes. They have their moments, and I love them. But if my friend told my ex that I slept with his brother after I said I wanted to tell him myself, I wouldn't be friends with her anymore. She literally put Stefan over one of her oldest friendships.

Stefan - Strengths: This one is difficult for me because I dislike Stefan for the majority of the series except in isolated moments. 1. I like that when it comes down to life or death, he chooses Damon. 2. When his humanity is off, he makes an excellent villain. I like him like that until he makes things personal, i.e. almost driving Elena off Wickery Bridge or going to kill her in season eight to get at Damon. Flaws: 1. Stefan is a liar. This is the reason I can't stand him. He lies and lies throughout the whole series. He lies until he gets caught every time. Period. I do not consider him to be moral or pure of heart or any of that bullsh*t that the characters call him. 2. Secondly, he considers himself to be better. How he manages this knowing that he went on ripper binges and killed whole villages is beyond me. I'm going to stop here because I could rant for days about Stefan.

Damon - Strengths: I saved my Damon for last, and it's going to be long. I'm not sorry. 1. Regardless of how many times he and everyone else call him selfish, he is anything but selfish. He is only selfish with Elena's life, and thank goodness someone is. He's a hero. In season one, he is trying to rescue Katherine and ends up trying to save the town from the tomb vampires. He also, while hating his brother, saves him from the tomb vampires. In season two, he saves numerous people (Caroline a few times, Matt, Tyler, etc.), takes care of a dying Rose (gives her a beautiful dream), puts his own life in danger to save others (and gets wolf-bitten in the process), especially Elena (fighting the originals is futile and deadly), and only wants to ensure that Elena lives. In season three, he literally takes care of Elena. He is just there for her every single day while also still taking care of everyone else (because they all go to him with problems that arise). In season four, he is still there for Elena even after she chose Stefan. He won't really be with Elena because of the sire bond. He wants her to take the cure. I'm going to stop here because he just keeps getting more heroic after this, i.e. blows himself up to save Mystic Falls and all their dead friends on the other side. 2. Damon is honest. From the beginning, we and the characters know his worst. He says he only wants to save Katherine. He says he's a vampire that kills. He tries to get Elena and Stefan to see the truth of Stefan. He's honest when he doesn't want Elena to be cured for those moments that it's true, and then he's honest about wanting it for her. I just know someone will point out that he lied about knowing Jeremy was wearing the ring, and I will point out that by the end of the episode, he was honest about it because he prefers to be real always. I could wax poetic for hours about Damon, so I am forcing myself to quit. Flaws: Damon has little control over his heightened emotions. When his emotions build to a breaking point, he lashes out without thought. This results in Jeremy's broken neck, feeding Elena his blood before Klaus' ritual, breaking Kol's neck at the Mikaelson's party, etc. 2. Damon doesn't believe in his own worth. He is quick to accept that he is the worse brother, that he doesn't deserve love, that he isn't worth saving, that everything that goes wrong is his fault, etc. I won't get into the reason for this, but it makes me sad.

Three unpopular opinions I have about the show, (Again, I'm not sure what is popular or not.) so really these are just opinions.

TVD is well-written. I absolutely love the stellar soundtrack throughout and how it ties into the story, and the humor is excellent. As someone who has seen many things Kevin Williamson has had a hand in, I love when they pay homage, and they do often in TVD. Delena is quite possibly one of the best ships I have ever witnessed develop.

Bonnie deserved better the whole time. They did her and Kat Graham a disservice.

The show was severely lacking in diversity.

[satanknewmybrain]

okay first of all, this is my opinion. your opinions are welcome too. this is my safe space

I'm on season 4 of TVD and I personally think Elena's gang are no different from the Mikaelsons. And i also think Elena's self centered. Why??? Here's why:

1. took her long enough to choose between the brothers

2. always make the decision for OTHERS (ie. jeremy)

3. never really gave enough attention to bonnie after her grams died :((( (for me, bonnie deserved sympathy and understanding the best)

4. wanted to kill KOL (MY BABY T__T) kol is not innocent but he didn't need to die. there are lots of bad people that can be turned into vamps and use as the sacrifice

5. that scene in the grill, where bekah plans to give matt the invitation and then she told bekah killing is not allowed. BEKAH DOESN'T EVEN CARE ABOUT YOU?????

6. she doesn't know how to respect her friends' choice. all she thinks about is their humanities whatsoever. stefan wants to follow klaus!!!!! i mean they had a deal!!! respect it instead of worsening his situation!!!!!

7. they see the mikaelsons as bad people while sleeping with serial killers!! (stefan and damon)

**damon took advantage of caroline!! compelled and slept with her!! and even threaten her mom sometimes!!

**stefan the ripper. do i need to explain myself here?

8. they think they are the good ones. i mean, they will sacrifice other people for their own good. what makes them different from the Mikaelsons?

9. elena felt betrayed after knowing stefan slept with bekah

** uhm??? u slept with his brother????????? I don't have anything to say.at.all.

these are some thoughts i had while watching tvd. tbh I can't stand elena 😭

i kinda wanna drop the whole series and go straight to the originals

WILL THE SERIES GET BETTER???

i want to skip to malachai's episode tbh

[fkevin073]

What do you think about Stefan x Caroline? Do you like them?

hmm I mean yes? Kinda?

I didn't hate watching them together. I really liked them as friends though so seeing them be in a romantic relationship was a little disappointing, but I wasn't too upset about their relationship. Guys and girls can just be friends, you know?

I love Caroline and Stefan. I think they deserve to be happy. I just never bought that Stefan loved her more/as much as he did Elena if that makes any sense. Maybe it was the actor's chemistry that made me not buy it, but I remember there was this one moment where Stefan and Caroline were arguing and she points out that he didn't respect her choice/opinion as much as he did Elena's. I think this was in season 7 (I'm not sure, I haven't rewatched the later seasons at all).

But I noticed that too. I think that when best friends enter a romantic relationship it's because it adds something to the dynamic, you know? Like some underlying sexual tension or romantic chemistry. I just never fully bought that Stefan/Caroline had that undercurrent in their relationship or that there needed to be romance between them.

I just think Stefan ultimately loved Elena more. Like if Nina had come back for all of season 8 and they'd brought back Stelena like Kevin Williamson said they were planning on doing, I'm not convinced that Stefan would have said no to Elena. He wouldn't have cheated on Caroline but he would have preferred Elena/loved her more. I don't think he ever really fell out of love with her entirely.

Anyway, that's just my opinion though. I think Caroline deserved someone who loved her best and wasn't a second choice. I haven't watched the show in a while though, so maybe if I rewatched their scenes I'd feel different. I'd love to discuss this more though!

[hyperion-moonbabe-art3mis]

Caught in Between 26. Fallen Friend

Summary: Athena Dumont has finally found a place to call home after many years of foster homes and traveling. She had finally tamed her supernatural side and just wanted to live a normal teenage life. She quickly discovers that there is nothing normal about her hometown, Mystic Falls and gets sucked right back into the supernatural world.

Post Date: 12.15.20

Word count: 2k

Based off: 04x06 “We All Go a Little Mad Sometimes”

I wake up the next morning to find multiple calls from Elena. I call her back and she answers and starts speaking so quickly I couldn’t understand.

“Ok. Ok. Just calm down,” I say.

“Can you just get here as soon as possible?” She asks frantically.

“Yeh, I’ll be there as soon as I can,” I say and hang up. 

I get ready as fast as I could and headed to Elena’s. As I made my way into her house, I find her walking back and forth freaking out. As I make it further into her house I find Jeremy laying on the couch, although it does not look like he’s asleep, more like unconscious. Damon comes in almost as soon as I make my way to Elena.

“What happened?” I ask ignoring that Damon had arrived.

“I uh couldn’t sleep so I came down to get some milk. And um I saw the hunter and next thing I know I stab Jeremy in the neck with a knife,” Elena explains.

“Ok well, at least he still has the Gilbert ring,” I respond.

“I can’t believe this happened. What--what am I going to say to him?” Elena says freaking out.

“Thanks for not ditching the family ring after it drove Ric crazy?” Damon suggests.

“Damon…” I say and look at him annoyed. 

“You should have called Stefan,” Damon says, clearly unsure of why he was there.

“I don’t want to talk to him. He’s been lying to me and hiding things from me. He compelled Jeremy to forget god knows what,” Elena explains.

“In all fairness, I mean, I think you killing him kind of trumps that. I mean, you should have called Stefan,” Damon suggests once more.

“I don’t trust him right now, Damon,” Elena says.

And just like on cue, “Hey,” Stefan says walking into Elena’s house.

“P.S. I called Stefan,” Damon says as I roll my eyes.

“What happened? Why didn’t you call me?” Stefan asks.

“I just--I need to go upstairs and shower. Clean all the blood off my hands,” Elena says and walks off.

“Could any of you listen to Elena, once?” I ask before Jeremy wakes up.

“Welcome back. How you feeling?” Stefan asks. 

“What happened?” Jeremy asks.

“Long story. Buy the E-book,” Damon says and walks to the kitchen. I head into the kitchen after Damon and help him clean up the blood staining the floor. 

“You know you could be a little more sensitive right?” I tell him.

“Ehhh…” Damon says.

“Damon… it’s her brother,” I give him an annoyed look.

“Where’d Jeremy go?” Damon asks as Stefan walks in.

“School. Bonnie has him volunteering for some occult exhibit,” Stefan explains.

“Or maybe he didn’t want to linger in a house where his sister just jammed a knife in his neck,” Damon says.

“It’s Klaus,” Stefan says looking down at his ringing phone.

“Ooh, time to face the music, pay the piper, dance with the devil,” Damon says.

“You know, I’m glad you find this amusing. If he finds out I told you about the cure, he’ll kill both of us,” Stefan says confusing me.

“Quit avoiding him. You’re being shady. Shady people get outed,” Damon says as Stefan answers his phone.

“I don’t want to talk about it,” Stefan says.

“Well, I can’t imagine why what with you ruining all my plans for a hybrid-filled future,” Klaus says.

“Well, it wouldn’t have happened if you hadn’t sworn me to secrecy,” Stefan says.

“Life’s full of ifs, Stefan. Let’s extenuate the positives, shall we? The hunter was one of the five. We’ll find another. It may take centuries, but we’ve got nothing but time, right?” Klaus says.

“You’re using your calm voice today. Who’s getting killed?” Stefan asks.

“Not you, if that’s what you’re worried about. But I am concerned about your beloved. Have the hallucinations started yet?” Klaus says as the three of us exchange looks. 

“What do you know about that?” Stefan asks.

“I’ll tell you. Where are you?” Klaus asks back.

“I’m at her house,” Stefan says.

“How convenient. So am I,” Klaus says before we hear a knock on the door. Stefan quickly moves and heads outside. 

A few minutes later Elena comes down looking like she saw a ghost. “No!” She says before running outside. 

Damon and I follow her but we find that she had been whisked away by Klaus and Stefan was standing alone on the sidewalk. Stefan explained to Damon and me about the hunter’s curse, and about the cure to me. I call Bonnie knowing that she was our only luck in finding Elena. Once she arrived we explain what happened.

“You lost her?!” Bonnie asks.

“Well, ‘lost’ is a very strong word. We technically don’t know where she is,” Damon says.

“We do know that Klaus took her,” I say.

“I’m more worried about what Klaus said about the hunter’s curse,” Stefan says.

“How does Klaus even know about this?” Bonnie asks.

“How does Klaus know anything? The guy’s like a billion years old,” Damon says.

“He said it was a witch’s curse,” Stefan says.

“You know if I could do anything to help I would, But I--,” Bonnie says.

“But nothing. Wave your magic wand, hocus pocus, be gone, hunter, ghostess,  whatever,” Damon says.

“The spirits won’t let me do the magic I need to break the curse. But I can ask Shane for help. He knows everything about everything,” Bonnie explains.

“Great. You two do your thing,” Stefan says.

“Where you going?” I ask Stefan while he walks away.

“I’m gonna get her back,” Stefan says.

“I’ll come with you. Maybe he’ll listen to me for once,” I say and follow Stefan outside.

“I don’t need help getting Elena back,” Stefan says sitting on his motorcycle.

“Maybe not. But I am good back up. At least if he listens to me. We might have a better chance, than if you go by yourself,” I explain. 

Stefan takes some time to think, “Alright hop on,” Stefan says and starts his motorcycle. He stops just past the town clock tower and makes a call to Caroline. We then make our way to Tyler so they can explain what’s going on. 

“Haley is the one that helped me break the sire bond. She showed me what to do. How to help. When she showed up here, I thought it was just a coincidence but it turns out she’s been helping one of them. Her friend Chris. And she came to help us get the rest of them out from under Klaus,” Tyler explains.

“Including me,” I say waving my hand.

“So...Are you telling me that Chris and you aren’t sired anymore?” Stefan asks looking at me.

“That’s exactly what he’s telling you,” Caroline confirms. We all then come up with a plan and of course, I’m the one who goes to talk to Klaus, but what did I expect. Stefan, Tyler, and Caroline head out as I head to the Mystic Grill where Klaus was.

“Place looks pretty good considering your hybrid got blown up in it,” I say walking up behind Klaus whose drinking at the bar.

“Athena. To what do I owe the pleasure? You never seek me out on your own, I tend to have to come to you, even if you’re staying with me,” Klaus says.

“I want you to give Elena back,” I say standing by the bar.

“Ahh. They sent you to sweet talk me. Well, good form, But I’m afraid I can’t do it,” Klaus responds.

“Why not?” I ask.

“She needs my help,” Klaus says as I scoff at his statement. “Look, I’m not going to burden you with the gory details. I know you’d rather be doing other things, painting or hanging out with your friends,” Klaus says.

“Can’t do that, if Elena isn’t around,” I respond.

“Can I at least offer you a drink?” Klaus asks. 

“Yeah, thanks,” I say knowing it’ll keep him out of his house longer.

“How uh… was your trip to Italy? I assume it was for business, Klaus Michaelson doesn’t do vacations,” I say.

“It was very productive. I’d be glad to tell you what I’ve been up to, soon though,” He says as I feel a buzz from my phone. I look down to find a text from Tyler sayings that Elena had escaped. And another text from Damon saying that Jeremy is the key to stopping the hallucinations.

“So here’s the thing. I didn’t just come here to try to get you to release Elena,” I say.

“You don’t say,” Klaus says with a smile plastered on his face.

“I came here to distract you so that Stefan could go to your house and break her out,” I start as his smile falls. “Which he did and don’t get mad, but then he lost her,” I finish and Klaus doesn’t hesitate one moment to move from his seat. “Klaus!” I say.

“Athena. You’re beautiful and the love of my life. But if you don’t stop talking, I will kill you,” Klaus says surprising me.

“They figured out how to stop the hallucinations,” I say stopping Klaus in his tracks.

“Ok. You have 10 seconds to tell me,” Klaus says with haste in his voice.

“You have to find a potential hunter and have them kill another vampire. The catch is...it’s little Gilbert,” I explain.

“Well, this leaves us no choice. Let’s find us a little Gilbert and a  hybrid,” Klaus says.

“Damon already contacted him. We’ll meet them at Tyler’s,” I say.

“Well, let’s not waste any time,” Klaus says taking my hand in his and pulling me with him. We make it to Tyler’s house and go over the plan. 

I watch as Klaus walks into Tylers and the next thing I hear is Klaus yelling. As the hybrid was starting to make his way out of Tylers, Stefan rushes in, staking him. And soon after Jeremy follows in and finishes the hybrid off. I follow in after and see Jeremy standing over the body, Klaus with a big smile on his face, and Tyler and Haley standing in shock. 

“Alright, let’s go home,” Klaus says grabbing my arm.

“No, I’m staying here,” I tug my arm away. Klaus doesn’t try to stop me, but instead just leaves.

The next morning I wake up to find Haley asleep on the couch and Tyler sitting there with a bottle in hand. 

“Tyler?” I ask walking into the room.

“It’s just us. Paying our respects to Chris,” He says and takes a sip of the alcohol.

“We didn’t have a choice,” I explain, sitting in the chair next to him.

“I told him we had his back. I told him if he helped us, he’d be free,” Tyler explains.

“We needed to help our friend,” I say.

“Yeah, we helped our friend by handing over another friend,” Tyler says. I sat in silence not knowing how to respond. “Chris was a friend. He’s like us. Part of my pack. All he wanted to do was be unsired by that disgusting, piece of...How did you even get Klaus to agree to give up one of his hybrids?” Tyler asks. 

“Well, I didn’t have much to offer nor do I want anything to really do with him but…” I say.

“I agreed to go on a date with him,” Caroline says walking into the room. Tyler stands up facing Caroline. “I just thought that it might help keep up the ruse between you and Haley,” Caroline explains. Tyler doesn’t respond but instead, he throws the alcohol bottle against the wall, scaring both Caroline and me.

“What the hell is going on?” Haley asks waking up.

“Nothing. Nothing at all. Just celebrating the life of a fallen hybrid friend,” Tyler says shifting his eyes between Caroline and me.

I decided to leave Hayley and Tyler alone for the rest of the day and go check up on Elena. 

“Hey, how are you feeling?” I ask her as we walk into the kitchen. 

“Better now that the hunter is gone. Thank you for your help,” Elena says.

“No problem. I’d hate to lose you too,” I say.

A/N: This is just a filler, I hope you all enjoyed! Thanks for reading.

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2x12 - 2x22 Alright I did something different this time, I put my thoughts down while watching (usually after I finished the episode) instead of doing it after I finished all the episodes. So I have way more thoughts this time lol, my short term memory was struggling before. All this is to say this is much longer than my last recap thoughts, also this is one of the best seasons of the show so it made the rewatch more enjoyable.

Poor Rose and very dumb on Damon’s part to leave Elena with her having absolutely no idea what the werewolf bite was going to do. The dream sequence he gives Rose is one of the best Damon scenes ever IMO. RIP Rose and that awful wig.

Elena told Damon to be the better man and the groan I let out... I wish you an eternity of misery Kevin Williamson!

I could not stop laughing at Stefan's brilliant idea of talking to Tyler involved him sneaking into his house and then slamming him against the wall LMFAO!! Genius idea Stefan that definitely made him want to help you and be friends, truly a mystery that you two never get along.

The Lexi flashbacks made me sad I was 100% with Stefan glaring at Damon like BTW you’re awful in case you forgot.

Is Alaric wearing eyeliner sometimes or am I seeing things?

The Damon/Andie scenes just make me so mad and uncomfortable, there's moral ambiguity that always exists in this show and then there's this disturbing storyline, fuck the writers.

Ok I admit Matt and Caroline have one good scene (though Caroline does the heavy lifting here) when she sings to him at the grill and they kissed. I clapped, a moment of weakness. Matt ruined the good feelings by the end of the episode though so balance has been restored.

Unintentional Intentional Foreshadowing? At the 60s dance Stefan and Elena are dancing and then Caroline and Matt come in. Stefan leaves Elena to go dance with Caroline and spins Elena into Damon’s arms. While this is happening the song playing is Last Kiss, which is a song about a guy who lost his girl in a car crash. I don't think it was intentional but if I were the writers I would totally take credit and say it was.

I'm sure this is part of the Delener manifesto (which I will never read) but the line "I don't mind being a bad guy. I'll make all the life and death decisions, while you're busy worrying about collateral damage" had me like DAMNNNNNN. Maybe I don't give Damon enough credit because that was a pretty great summarization of why Stefan eventually lets Elena die in 3x22 by "respecting her choices".

I am so tired of the suicide missions this season, choose life!

At least Caroline chooses life! This is when I really started seeing how Caroline is climbing up in the narrative and especially how her love life is gaining more depth and importance. The porch and door scenes in particular because lovers and potential lovers on the porch was something Elena got in S1. For Caroline the doorway represents her heart. We got Tyler inside while Matt is outside in 2x10 because that's when she was helping Tyler and started falling for him, meanwhile she broke up with Matt to protect him. Then Tyler fucks up and he gets the door slammed in his face. Stefan says he can come in if she wants him to in 2x13 but she's not ready to let Stefan in yet, and he realizes that so he brings back-up. Then you've got Matt back inside her heart but really her Mom put him there to spy on her. I really like the shot of Matt at the door looking at Liz in 2x18 before the dance.

IMO most of this season Elena has a relationship with both brothers; she has a physical one with Stefan and an emotional one with Damon and she does that so they are both all about her. And I think this current version of the triangle was the only way she could have both. Because Stefan doesn't care that Damon is also in love with Elena because it means he'll protect Elena (re: quote above) and he'll be in Stefan's life which is all he ever wanted. And Damon because he's so obsessed and consumed by Elena will stay there pining and flirting and acting out when he feels ignored because Stefan will be there to "clean up it up." Everyone wins in a very fucked up way. The problem is she couldn't keep Damon at just an "hopelessly pining" distance and once Elena chose Damon, Stefan wasn't interested in being the one in an emotional relationship.

Klaus knowing all the Mystic Falls gossip already lol.

Tyler saying who’s Klaus my poor boy I wish you never found out. Really loved the Tyler and Caroline scenes the last few episodes (I mean the heart eyes he gives her in the tomb *melts*), they'll always hold a place in my heart.

I'm sorry Liz but you were a terrible sheriff, my god. In fact MFPD is up there with GCPD as the most inept police department in all of fiction. How the hell could they not take down one vampire who was weakened by werewolf venom?

The Stefan and Elena goodbye in 2x20 was so heartbreaking damn, they absolutely have moments where I totally ship them and that's one of them.

2x21 is the best episode of this half and overall the storytelling in this season is really solid. Everything with the sacrifice ritual was well done and even though I knew exactly what was going to happen I was intrigued the whole time, the best was Bonnie coming in with the wind and the fire and the magic. I feel like the show often has a problem where one half of a season will be good than the other meh, this season was solid throughout. Loved the twist that the sun and moon curse was made up.

Some of the acting choices Joseph makes while Klaus is watching Stefan drink the blood bags are… sir I see you and I appreciate you.

Lines that made me laugh:

Damon: Don't mistake the fact that we haven't set you on fire in your sleep for trust. (this made me laugh so hard I had to pause LMFAO his jabs at her were so good)

Caroline: Everyone just needs to stop kissing me! (a classic! Caroline's milkshake brings all the boys to the yard)

Not a line but Alaric having to write “The dagger will kill you…” on a piece of paper and then their mad faces was hilarious! They are just so dumb.

[kiss-my-freckle]

Full Episode Commentary

1x22: Founder's Day

One of the things you should know about the writing… some of these episodes end completely opposite how they start. Elena opens the episode as Katherine. Katherine ends the episode as Elena.

I feel the need to point this out while she's dressing up as Katherine because it builds and builds as the seasons move along. "Did Stefan think that he could use me to replace her?" Note how she puts this necklace on whie standing in front of an oval mirror. It's as if Stefan's desire is becoming a reality.

Damon and Stefan are at the Founder's Day event. Stefan hsa the nerve to ask Damon what he's doing there, treats him as if he doesn't belong. I love Damon's response. "Why wouldn't I be here? Bonnie deactivated the Gilbert invention, Isobel is gone and it's Founders' Day! I'm here to eat cotton candy and steal your girl." This is what it sounds like for Damon to feel at home again, and he's being honest. He plans to steal Stefan's girl, he's just not ready. "You started this, Stefan... with that whole 'I'm insecure, leave Elena alone' speech." Damon is just as honest here. He's saying the same thing I said. Stefan should've left Isobel's words with Isobel. Stefan knew better, but he let his jealousy get the better of him. Damon is now a danger to the Stelena ship. They show Damon's rebellious nature over and over again. I feel this is the aspect of Damon's character that Katherine preyed on.... his rebellious nature. "Who needs rules?"

Damon is a rebel, a rule breaker. Tell Damon not to do something, he's gonna do it. You see this in the pilot episode.

Stefan: Not here. I won't allow it. Damon: I take that as an invitation.

You hear this again in 1x6.

Elena: And yet you let him get involved with Caroline? Stefan: Forcing Damon not to do something is much more dangerous, believe me.

Hear it again in 1x13.

Damon: My father never approved of anyone I dated, which only made me want them more. Of course. 

You even see this in season 2.

Katherine: I knew that if I begged you not to kill Elijah, that's exactly what you'd do.

So when I say that Stefan should've left Isobel's comment with Isobel, trust I mean it. Stefan knew better, but he let his jealousy get the better of him.

Stefan: History will not be repeating itself where Elena is concerned. Do you understand what I'm saying? Do you understand?

What you get with Damon and Elena in this episode is the direct result of Stefan disrespecting Damon, in thinking he's the one who gets to make the rules.

Damon: Hey look, I get it, I get it. I'm the better, hotter, superior choice. And you're scared now that Katherine is out of the picture, that I'm gonna turn all my attention to Elena. But don't worry, Elena is not Katherine. Stefan: You're right, she's not.

This mantre works in Damon's favor. Stefan believes it works in his because Elena is a good person, so he believes she'll always choose the "good" brother. It was always Stefan for Katherine. It will always be Damon for Elena.

I love how this mantra spills from Damon's lips as Elena comes out dressed as Katherine. History started repeating itself from the moment Stefan entered Elena's life pretending to be human... just as Katherine entered their lives pretending she was human. I'm basically saying Stefan is a little late in telling Damon that history won't be repeating itself where Elena is concerned. That's not his choice to make, it never was. I love her dress. Their responses are a direct result of her being dressed like Katherine. Damon isn't happy with it. She's dressed like the woman that abandoned him. But Stefan... he's quite comfortable with his Katherine replacement. Elena's curtsy in this scene is a basic way of paying respect to the man that escorted her at the Miiss Mystic pageant. That's why she directs it at Damon.

Anna stops in to see Jeremy as he gets dressed for the event. He's part of the parade, so he's dressing up like 1864 Damon. I love how Jeremy is written between these brothers. He's having a hard time, now stuck beteween John and Anna. He understands wanting John to protect the people in the town, but also understands vampires wanting a place to call home. If not for the tomb vampires wanting revenge, Jeremy would've completely sided with Anna and saw John for what he really is. I'm not sure what he expected Anna to do… but staying in the town that killed her mother isn't gonna happen. Anna hands him a vial of her blood so he can turn into a vampire. He's changed his mind… for the moment. I honestly would've loved to see Jeremy as a vampire in season 2.

Damon: Oh, and when you do tell Elena and she needs a friend to talk to about anything, I'm here for her. Stefan: I just… I wanted to tell you before Damon dropped it on you in some typically inappropriate way.

Damon gets Stefan to reveal his jealousy. If Damon had any intention of telling Elena about John, she'd already know. Stefan makes a lot of assumptions about Delena's friendship.

The 1864 of it all. Resurrecting a character. Some fans mistake Damon's character journey. They're not redeeming him, they're resurrecting him. His redemption takes place in his human life with Elena. A resurrection is what you'd want for a character that spends 145 years being something other than himself.

Jeremy is pretty damn pissed at Elena, and I honestly don't blame him. She took away his choice to mourn Vicki properly. She also took away his choice to not have vampires in his life when she invited the Salvatores into hers. This knife cuts both ways. Stefan invited Damon into Elena's life when he chose to enter her life, then Elena invited the Salvatores into Jeremy's ife when she welcomed them into hers. Elena is having a difficult time because she's trying to be the best friend and the parent… and you can't be both. That's why Jeremy is so pissed at her. She made a parental decision for him, and kids hate their parents for a reason lol

"Why don't you have Damon erase my memory again? Then I could go back to being your in-the-dark little brother." Secrets keep people in the dark. That's why Elena needed to know they're vampires... Stefan had her dating him in the dark. Damon acts like a light in the dark for Elena.

Like Jeremy, Tyler is dressed like 1864 Damon.

Damon: I was fighting for the South. It's not exactly a time I like to reminisce about in front of my friends." Oscar: Yeah, you had the same opinion back then. Hated everything your side believed in. Hey, you wanted to desert, but feared shaming your old man.

And again, Elena is dressed like Katherine. It's best to understand going forward that the parade float is for the Miss Mystic pageant, so you'll understand why these scenes are the way they are.

Damon's signature moment is literally put on parade. Stefan was devouring Amber during the pageant. One episode of playing suicidal vamp, and everyone forgets about the girl he nearly killed in the woods.

This is Damon playing off of his moment, and you can click to view larger if you want.

This is how Elena responds in Stefan's jealousy of their friendship.

This is the whole of their "near touch" dancing. This is every bit why you get Valerie vervaining Caroline's skin in season 7. It's to make it so Stefan can't touch her. He has to understand the purpose of the near touch.

Carol: There's no touching during this part. Katherine: No touching, Mr. Salvatore. Those are the rules.

For now... he's the same with Elena that he was with Katherine.

Damon has been trying to get a clean slate with Bonnie since 1x9. The difference between this attempt and his last two attempts is the lack of benefit. He has nothing to gain in this scene, he truly wants a clean slate with her. "The device that Emily spelled could have killed me. I don't take what you did lightly, so thank you." She's withholding the truth about the device. It can still kill him. It can kill both of them.

It takes a long time for Bonnie to understand Damon.

John is setting up the vampire device in his brother's medical office. A lot of this is additional to their Augustine storyline. I don't know when they decided on Damon's 1953 storyline, but a lot of their seeds were in place before season one finished. Most of their seeds for the Augustine storyline can be found in 1x5. They also use 1953 for Stefan's "date war" with Mr. Tanner in 1x3.

Any vampire within a five-block radius of the device will be at risk of death by fire. Given the way they cut scene, it's to my understanding that the vampire leader is John's source on their revenge plot. I'm assuming he made a deal with this tomb vampire for the sake of taking out all the others. So 15 tomb vampires plus the 2 Salvatore boys. That's what John is looking to kill. Their soundtrack in this scene refers to the night Damon and Elena first met...

Somewhere in this city is a road I know Where we could make it But maybe there's no making it now Too long we've been denying Now we're both tired of trying We hit a wall and we can't get over it

Lifehouse - It Is What It Is

Damon is the only one that tells Elena the period look didn't suit her and he likes her better like this. Just Damon. He basically tells her the "Katherine" look didn't suit her and says it's a compliment of the highest order. He has no plans to repeat history… that's really what Stefan's comment boils down to. Stefan tells him that history won't be repeating itself with Elena… when Damon had his heart broken by Katherine. I'm just glad they took their time with Delena because I didn't want Elena to be a rebound for him. But I do consider her a rebound for Stefan. In the 145 years he's been a vampire, Lexi is the only woman he's been emotionally involved with.

They're both withholding their conversations with Stefan. Elena does everything she can to avoid the Salvatores fighting over her. She pulls this… back-to-back silence in 1x22 and 2x1. She doesn't tell Damon that Stefan was talking smack behind his back and she doesn't tell Stefan that Damon tried to kiss her. "History will not be repeating itself where Elena is concerned." I love the way Damon responds to Elena in this scene. "No, nothing worth repeating."

"So, I think you should stop with the flirty little comments and that eye-thing that you do." I love how Damon does the eye thing while asking her what eye thing. "Flirt with your eyes." She's talking about the flirt with his eyes at the parade. It's all Miss Mystic pageant stuff, his signature moment. Damon hates seeing Elena hurt. But honestly… his confrontation with Jeremy is something I'd expect from him. He just got done choking the hell out of Elena's biological mother for threatening her. This is where Stefan's jealousy comes in. Isobel didn't randomly guess that Damon is in love with Elena. Stefan knows they saw each other. Now he doesn't want Damon getting in Elena's relationship with Jeremy. "What are you doing? Elena's relationship with her brother is none of your business. So stay out of it!" Idiotic for Stefan to redirect Damon when he dug into Elena's adoption before he even met her… which was none of his business. He then put a wedge between her and Jenna when he revealed Elena's adoption to her.

Stefan's jealousy is hilarious. It's not like Damon was gonna knock Jeremy unconscious while there's a party going on outside. "What are you doing? Elena's relationship with her brother is none of your business. So stay out of it!" I wonder if Stefan would say the same of Damon attacking Isobel in the previous episode. "Get over yourself. We both know you're not doing this for the right reasons." Damon notes Stefan's jealousy lol... and you can tell Stefan is jealous just by the look in his eyes.

"Well, see Damon, it's only real when it comes from your desire to do the right thing for nothing in return. And I know that it is an entirely foreign concept to you. I completely understand that you wouldn't get it." Says the brother that entered Elena's life for himself because he knew what he'd get out of a relationship with her. "I have to know her." It's not like Stefan entered Elena's life simply to help her move on from the death of her parents. According to Stefan, Stelena isn't real because it didn't come from his desire to do the right thing for nothing in return. Here, have this parallel...

Liz: You've gone behind my back? Lockwood: Yeah... because we knew this is exactly how you'd react.

Stefan: Why? Because I kept it a secret from you? Come on, Elena. Look, given the way you're reacting right now, can you really blame me for doing that?

John and Mayor Lockwood are using the people in their town as bait to kill the tomb vampires. Liz is pissed and feels them both insane, but Mayor Lockwood is completely on board with the plan. John tells him to leave because plan or not, Mayor Lockwood wouldn't let him knock out Liz the way he does. He handcuffs her as far away from her belt as possible so she can't reach her cuff key.

Anna approaches Damon and informs him about the attack the tomb vampires have planned on the founding families. Because he believes the device has been deactivated by Bonnie, he warns Alaric and tells him to get some stakes ready. "Saving your life." It's adorable the way he holds Eleana's hand against his chest. He does this a lot. I love Caroline's desire to fix every fight. She's currently trying to patch things up beteeen Tyler and Matt.

Mayor Lockwood hits the Grill to tell Tyler to head home. Because they're using the townspeople as bait, he doesn't want him around when they decide to strike. He talks Matt and Caroline into going with Tyler. Anna meets up with Jeremy and takes him into the Grill bathroom. They start the fireworks, which is the planned time of the attack for John's inside source. He had his source plan the attack at the same time they start the fireworks so that he knows when to turn on the Gilbert device. The fireworks display is also the best time to do it because everyone will be too busy watching them to pay mind to the vampires dropping like flies. Damon walks in, still having no idea that the device actually works. He believes John put everyone in danger. "Do you have any idea what you've done?"John turns on the device… and they all fall down.

This scene is insane. If not for Alaric, both the Salvatore brothers would be dead. They have Jeremy dating Bonnie in season 2 when she's responsible for Anna's death. Like I said before, this device works like Bonnie's head trick, but on a much larger scale. It covers a 5 block radius, making the blood vessels in their brains go pop. That's why I think it's insanely brilliant how the writers had them doing fireworks whie using the device. Because vampires heal quickly, it can be done over and over again. Pop, pop, pop. They're all dropping because it's looping without stopping. It's because it also works on werewolves that you see Bonnie's head trick continue into season 2. They even have Elijah's witches use it. And it makes sense for the device to affect werewolves because it basically acts as a painful dog whistle. Tyler ends up getting into an accident because it's that painful. And as the medics work on him, his eyes reveal that he's some kind of supernautral. Very pretty. Because Caroline was in the car with him, she ends up in the hospital after her collapse.

I would tell you about this save Alaric pulls with Stefan, but I'm saving it for my season one gif post. He helps Elena move Stefan out of the way so that he doesn't get taken by one of their deputies. The device affected Mayor Lockwood just as it did Tyler, so the deputies inject him with vervain and put him with the tomb vampires. Anna is still in the bathroom screaming in Jeremy's arms when she gets taken. John packs up the device and leaves.

I'm not sure how many tomb vampires are in the basement, but my last count was at 16. I see 7 tomb vampires in their aerial view, along with Damon and Mayor Lockwood. Anna grabs at John's ankle. He turns around and realizes it's her. She begs him to spare her life, but he doesn't. Damon is truly trying to save her… you can hear it in his breath. He then lets out a grunt when he sees the stake go. It's insanely painful for him to watch. Some of the vampires starts to sizzle in the fire… Damon feels the need to turn his head away from them. From my count, that's 9 tomb vampires left.

Stefan describes how it feels to have the blood vessels in his brains pop. "It was like needles were piercing my skull and it just stopped." When Alaric tells Stefan and Elena where they took the tomb vampires, Stefan pieces it together. John used his brother's medical practice. Because it's a Gilbert property, Stefan realizes they were attacked by the Gilbert device. Elena thinks Bonnie deactived the device, but Stefan corrects her.

Stefan: We asked Bonnie to deactivate a device that could protect people against vampires. Elena: So we could protect you. Stefan: And Damon. Vampires.

Stefan doesn't view vampires as people. This is the second comment that I know of where he differentiates people and vampires. Damon is human-vampire specific because he sees vampires as people.

Carol walks into the sheriff's office to find Liz handcuffed. She gets the cuffs off Liz and tells her that her husband was taken, explains that he isn't a vampire. Damon catches sight of the mayor. "I'm a vampire. What's your excuse?" lmfao… he wants to know why the mayor is in the basement with him and the tomb vampires. "No, really. The vervain didn't affect you, you're not a vampire, what the hell are you?" Because the device affected Mayor Lockwood, but the vervain didn't, Damon knows they're some kind of supernatural. His interest gets piqued in season 2 because Mason shows up. If not for Mason, Damon wouldn't bother because he has no beef with Tyler. One of the tomb vampires lives long enough to kill the mayor. While Damon gets off on watching Mayor Lockwood die, John gets off on killing Anna. This is their hate written on opposite sides.

They cut scene to Tyler's werewolf eyes and Caroline's collapse. Stefan catches up to the building where the tomb vampires are burning. John is standing there, watching and smiling. Damon struggles to get up because the vervain is that powerful. Had he died in that fire, I have no doubt Stefan would've killed John. "Go ahead, you won't make it out. It'll save me the trouble of killing you myself." At least he warns Stefan that he plans to kill him. Elena tries to help Stefan save Damon, but John stops her. I love how Elena confronts him about his paternity. He confirms he's her father in his response. She then takes off to help Stefan save Damon.

Bonnie tries to stop Stefan from going in to save Damon. I love this scene. She realizes that her Grams would've died either way because Damon was in the tomb. She has to go through Stefan to kill Damon. It's because Bonnie knows she has to go through Stefan to kill Damon… that she tries to kill Damon while Stefan is busy helping vampire Caroline. Damon knows that Elena is the only reason he's alive. Bonnie wouldn't have bothered otherwise. She… wanted him dead, it's written all over her face. Stefan and Elena catch up, talk about how the fire was covered up for the sake of hiding the death of vampires.

Elena: You care about him, so do I. But I love you, Stefan. And I know that you are worried about that. Stefan: I just… you know, I know my brother. Elena: But I love you, Stefan. Stefan: I know the trouble he can cause. Elena: I love you Stefan. You! Elena: You have nothing to worry about, okay?

lol… I love the fact that Damon doesn't have to start trouble. She falls for him on her birthday. This is the scene where Elena gives Stefan his "You" like Damon's in 4x7. She goes to the school to pick up her stuff from the Founder's Day event.

Jeremy puts the vial of Anna's blood in his desk drawer. He turns to see Damon standing in his doorway. Damon's only issue with their previous scene is his lack of consideration to Jeremy's feelings. He only cared about Elena's. He tells him that Anna is dead, that he was forced to witness it and tried to help her. Damon completely removes Elena from the equation. It's just him and Jeremy. He so much as offers to compel Jeremy without permission from Elena. "Look, I know you think you took it away, but it's still there. Even if I can't remember why." This is the truth of Elena's compulsion in season 6. Damon apologizes to Jeremy for his role in Vicki's death, and in doing so, basically apologizes for his prior actions at the Founder's Day event. But Anna… her death changed Damon.

I feel this scene is extremely important to 2x1. Damon tells Jeremy that he went without his emotions for a very long time, and life was a lot easier. In admitting this, is also admitting his emotions are currently on. If not for this scene, I believe Jeremy would've killed Damon in 2x2… and would've succeeded because of the vervain. Elena has no idea about this scene, and I feel that's why they have a difference of opinion in season 2. She tries to stop Jeremy from hanging out with Damon. When 2x1 comes around and Damon snaps Jeremy's neck, he makes a comment that directs Jeremy back to this moment. A moment specific in the fact that it's about Jeremy's emotions AND Damon's emotions. Jeremy basically realizes that Damon was in so much pain that he snapped his neck. You then get the dual dialogue.

Jeremy: I did it for a… I did it for a very long time, and life was a lot easier. Elena: He doesn't want to feel, he wants to be hated. It's just easier that way.

I like this scene of Tyler and Matt. Caroline was trying to patch things up between them. Girl had to collapse and get sent to the hospital to do that. Like Damon snapping Jeremy's neck ending Jeremy's feud with Elena. Liz explains that there was some internal bleeding, and they're taking Caroline into surgery. Liz tells Tyler to call his mom because Mayor Lockwood was killed. Damon knew that Jeremy was considering vampirism based on his line of questioning. He's in his bathroom, drinking Anna's blood. He then takes the rest of the pills from Elena's car accident with their parents. I can't stop laughing at Bonnie's comment to Stefan. "Even if I have to take you with him."

This is my favorite scene cut in season one…

I love this soundtrack, Bloodstream by Stateless. The lyrics become literal with Elena's transition to vampire. Like I said, the episode ends complete opposite the start. Elena opens the episode as Katherine. Katherine ends the episode as Elena. She's carrying the period dress, the "Katherine" dress… and she is Katherine. Damon takes her dress and her purse and sets them down for her. "I'm not a hero, Elena. I don't do good. It's not in me." Damon is being honest here. He doesn't like taking credit for good deeds, doesn't like playing hero, he'll so much as do bad things so that Stefan doesn't have to…. because he feels Stefan is the hero. That's why he says it's reserved for Stefan. "Because she did it for you. Which means that somewhere along the way, you decided that I was worth saving. And I wanted to thank you for that." Damon is referring to 1x8, but he has no idea. Stefan makes a comment about it in 1x9. "I didn't kill my brother, as much as he deserved it. He has you to thank you for that." That's why Damon thanks "Elena" in this scene. He kisses her on the cheek as a thank you. Because it's really Katherine and she accepts the kiss, he kisses her on the lips. She's referring to this kiss when she tells Damon to kiss her in Masquerade. She wants Elena to feel it. Jenna opens the door and catches them kissing. She assumes Katherine is Elena because she has no idea Elena is a doppelganger. She tells her to get inside, then asks what she's doing. Katherine tells her she doesn't wanna talk about it. Jeremy finishes the bottle of pills and lays in his bed. Katherine cuts off John's fingers, then stabs him in the gut…

I'm pretty sure she did this because John wasn't supposed to add Damon and Stefan to the list, and she's pissed that he did. Elena is on the phone with Stefan when she gets home. She has no idea that John ws just stabbed in her kitchen, or that Jeremy overdosed on pills with blood in his system. He's choosing to become a vampire that can "turn it off" rather than ending his life like Damon tried to do when he was in transition.

[zalrb]

Hey zal, how do you plan on differentiating stefan and damon's behaviour in the datherine and stelena relationships respectively. I mean, stefan knew that damon and katheine were in a physical relationship when he decided to confess his love for her. I ain't saying that damon's repititive self assertion on elena is romantic. So i will stick to that one point in 4.07 where he made out with elena on the same day of stefan's breakup. It was rude af, but stefan made out katherine too, when he knew that damon was involved with her. Maybe i am drawing parallels bw wrong scenes. You could correct me.

Was stefan wrong? If he was, so is damon. Both cared about the girls more than each other.

Even if this was correct, I would still say it’s not comparable because it ignores  that the whole point is that Katherine was the one who was always in control and was the one who chose who to be with at what time, which is why we get lines like this:

It also ignores the heavy implication that even in contemporary times, Stefan doesn’t know the full story but I’ll get to that later.

So this is something I’ve seen Damon fans struggle with: Damon may have been physical with Katherine first but he wasn’t with Katherine first, meaning that the first Salvatore Katherine actually shows interest in, the Salvatore Katherine actually picks (even before the retcon in 5x11) is Stefan, right when she shows up to the Salvatore Mansion for the very first time in 1864:

and Damon knows this because he sees it:

But Stefan hesitates

so despite seeing this attraction, Damon goes after her and puts himself in the running:

(these two gifs are actually indicative of Stefan and Damon’s dynamic, Damon follows a woman and Stefan follows Damon)

But even when Damon and Katherine have a sexual relationship

she says that she will be lonely without Damon when he leaves for the war and he says that Stefan will keep her company so she says

Which indicates that she was still seeing Stefan, still being courted by Stefan, still in some kind of entanglement with Stefan, she just got dicked down by Damon first. This is further proven when Stefan takes Katherine to the ball, he says this:

Him saying that he’s in competition for her affections means that he thinks that both he and Damon are trying to win her hand so he actually didn’t know they were together, he didn’t know that Damon was behind the door, listening to everything,

he didn’t know they’d been physical:

At the point of the Founders Ball, Stefan thinks that a choice between the two of them still exists

whereas Damon actually makes fun of Stefan for being so forward because he’s in on something that Stefan isn’t, which is that he’s already fucking Katherine

It isn’t until after they have sex and she compelled him that Stefan realizes that she had a plan for a coerced polyamorous relationship all along

Here is a video that shows the 1864 scenes in chronological order

and it’s repeatedly shown in the series that both in 1864 and in 200whateveritwas Stefan still doesn’t know everything that happened between Damon and Katherine because Damon repeatedly lied to him or kept things from him, as did Katherine:

Like I don’t understand why it’s so difficult for people to realize that Katherine manipulated the shit out of Stefan and Damon stood back and watched but somehow reach the conclusion that Stefan giving Elena her diary in 1x01 is a diabolical plan. It’s really akin to the anons who ask me if Caroline was too judgemental about Damon and Elena and a bad friend to Elena but don’t even consider that Elena was a bad friend to Caroline by fucking her rapist.

NOT TO MENTION, that even if this was correct, you are comparing Stefan hitting on Katherine even though she slept with Damon first (because that’s all Stefan would know about the matter) with Damon sleeping with Elena the day after she broke up with Stefan when he was privy to the knowledge that Stefan had resisted compulsion for Elena, had taken bullets for Elena, had fought off werewolves for Elena, had vowed to die for Elena, had been so deeply, profoundly, irrevocably, head-over-heels, us-against-the-world in LOVE with Elena and that is just ridiculous.

Because when Stefan say this:

He’s saying that at the time, he didn’t care that out of the two of them, he thought Katherine chose him because he just wanted her and he’d won the competition fair and square and Damon would just have to deal with it:

When Damon says this

He’s saying I know that you two had an epic love story and that you’re the love of my brother’s life but I really don’t give a shit that you two aren’t together anymore because it makes me feel better.

Absolutely not the same thing. No.

[ywhiterain]

Top 5 Stelena scenes!

Lets clean out some old asks lol. And like, if asked again tomorrow, I’d probably pick something else.

5: Stefan kissing Elena in the season three finale. No joke. I’d kinda given up on Stefan/Elena in season three because I thought they were probably going for Delena and like. I still loved it. But it’d be like how I feel about Tyler/Caroline - really love it and wish it had worked out but I can move on. But then. Goddamn. That was build up. That was set up and pay off. This is what building and building tension for an entire season can look like. Most of the time, I get bored as hell because writers aren’t able to stretch out a will they/won’t they believably. But Stefan and Elena went to dark and ugly places. There was no way that Elena was going to be able to stab him in 3x03 and drag him home and rebuild what they had before. And this season? Kinda owned it. 

This was Stefan making a choice not defined by helping Damon or trying to follow a self imposed set of guidelines to become a man worthy of existence. He just turned around and gave himself a second to let himself be in love with Elena and in that moment every single doubt fell away from her face and you can see it when she just looks at him seirofewaioasdfikjaweoi. This is it. There’s nothing that’s ever going to be like this ever again. And it’s so beautifully tragic because both of them know that it’s unlikely everyone is going to get out alive. And so they stop pretending for a second and just give themselves this moment. I mean, it was mostly about Stefan - he’s the one who turns around and kisses her. 

But this is where Nina and Paul just fucking own this goddamn stupid silly show. Because Elena didn’t need to say or do anything. Everything was written on her face. 

And as much as this show pushed delena. Julie and company knew that. It’s why we got Stefan/Katherine and Silas/Amara. Julie is a hack but she’s not stupid. You don’t completely throw away that chemistry. Like, I almost never talk about chemistry because most of the time I find it secondary to narrative. I mean, I enjoy a ship with fantastic chemistry but I tend to think people overestimate/underestimate chemistry between a given pair. Strong writing, good acting, and visual language is usually going to draw me in more than if two actors sizzle.

But Nina and Paul? You can’t bottle that. Because if they could, every single person working in TV/movies would be buying every day of their professional life. And this is not my favorite scene because they drew me back and and I got invested again and I suffered through so much bullshit season 4-8 and I’m her in the year of our lord 2020 and still here shipping them like it’s 2010 and it’s season two.

4: Everything about 3x05? And it’s even better these days because I actually like Klaus as a character so there’s dramatic tension between Stefan and Elena, Stefan and Klaus, and Klaus and Elena. Whereas, before, Klaus was just sort of a plot device that wanted to molest Stefan for me. He brings me the angst and drama, but now he’s like an actual character to me and we’re seeing him at his most ugly (the only other time he’s ever been this bad for me was with Rebekah in the originals). Put a timer on it. He gives Bonnie less than an hour to undo an ancient spell cast a thousand years ago by one of the most brilliant witches in the show when she’s still basically a newbie. He’s just gonna tear apart one of the few people he actually cares about because Stefan being beside him and following him is what matters - his emotional state doesn’t.

Stefan is freaking the fuck out. All his careful plans and and lies and delusions are shattering right before him. The only thing keeping him from completely going off the rails was the memory of what he had and who he was with Elena. And then Klaus rips that from him. 

And Elena is fucking fearless. Just bite from me. It’ll be okay. We’ll figure out how to get rid of Klaus compulsion. They’ll figure it everything out together. And what gets me is that, yeah, the romantic epic soul makes who love each other is absolutely at play. But what gets Stefan fighting again were three words: you owe me that. There’s this real cynical edge here. Because, yeah, after everything that Stefan and Elena have been through he can’t just give up. Elena was going to kill herself in season two and she was fine with that decision and she was happy to sacrifice her life for her friends and family until Stefan convinced her to keep fighting. The hell is she going to let him quit. And that’s not really a good or healthy way to think about relationships - but it works. Because when you’re in a war zone and you survive, it’s generally because you have to do ugly things. 

3. Elena: break Damon’s neck so I can talk to Esther because he’s being a big baby and is trying to stop me from plotting with the originals. >:( Stefan: kay, honey. I mean yeah that’s smart lets take Klaus down i am evil ripper who cares not about you except I’ll make sure you get home and have some emotional catharsis with you l8r. Damon: asdlkfaweoiruqworf YOU TWO SUCK. YOU’RE BOTH ALWAYS SAYING BE A BETTER PERSON AND BE RESPECTFUL AND YOU DO THIS I HATE YOU BOTH SO MUCH RAWRWWWWWWD. And then he breaks Kol’s neck. And like, that’s a hilarious and sad summary of poor Kol’s entire life pre Davina tbh . 

Part of it is the ot3 element. Part of it is this fantastic female fantasy fulfilled: a man who respects his lady to make her own choices especially when they’re being reckless and dangerous because said man knows how strong and brilliant she is.

And I also like the contrast. Stefan and Elena are cuddle bunnies who spoon each other and are so fluffy and sweet but like they’re also battle couple who’ll do pretty ruthless shit.

2. Remember that time Elena led Stefan to his own room when they had sex for the first time? And she told him not to hide. And they kept gazing at each other. Bathed in shadows and light. He loved her and she loved him and they were both alive and for a moment they were both glad. And like your otp could never.

1. “You had hope. That’s all I ever wanted for you.” look it’s 2020 and the world is literally on fire and that’s the most romantic thing ever. 

[niklqus]

Klaroline 3x11 Quote Analysis

”And I could let you die, if that's what you want. If you really believe your existence has no meaning. I thought about it myself, once or twice over the centuries, truth will be told. But I'll let you in on a little secret. There is a whole world out there, waiting for you. Great cities and art and music, genuine beauty. And you can have all of it. You can have a thousand more birthdays. All you have to do is ask.”

“And I could let you die, if thats what you want.” He gives her choice and he asks what she wants. No one has ever asked what she wants. Her life has always been about pleasing everyone else. Pleasing her boyfriends, pleasing Elena and her friends, even pleasing the masses with her obsession with popularity. I think the way Klaus of all people asks her what she wants makes it seem so much more real and she makes her actually believe it. Honestly I think if anyone else asked her this she would shrug it off. She’s written off everyone else in her life as forever being unable to care about what she wants that if they asked she wouldn’t listen. Almost like she’s convinced herself that what she wants is entirely unimportant. So Klaus, someone she hasn’t held up to the same standards as all her friends, asking her what’s she wants makes it stick. Although she has a hard time believing Klaus is pursing her for genuine reasons I still think his words resonate with her much more than anyone else’s would. She finally lets the thoughts in, the thoughts that she is worth listening to. Her hopes and dreams have suddenly become valuable to someone and therefore become be valuable to her. Genuinely I think Klaus could’ve been (if they were allowed to flourish) someone so important to teaching her self love.

“If you really believe your existence has no meaning.” Here he actually begins to consider what she believes unlike literally everyone else. To me it seems she’s had everyone else’s morals and beliefs shoved down her throat, Stefan’s when she turned, Elena’s when she ignored how much Damon hurt her, her mothers refusal to accept her, Tyler’s obsession with revenge, Matt’s hatred for her controlling nature. Klaus becomes someone who seems to understand that her morals are selfish, what she believes isn’t anything to do with the greater good or saving everyone like Stefan’s are. She’s much more interested in saving herself. He repetitively pushes her toward the idea that she’s a lot more than a soundboard to Elena, Stefan and Damons pain and desires.

“I thought about it myself, once or twice over the centuries, truth will be told.” There’s something amazing about how he gives her such a vulnerable insight into his most weak moments. You haven’t seen Klaus this tender and sad with anyone so willingly. His eyes are almost glossy with the confession of having suicidal moments. It’s touching and heartbreaking to see the tortured man behind the mask of indifference that makes this scene so valuable and interesting. Moreover, he offers similar insights again in 4x7 when he tells her the singular moment he felt like being human, how he wished to have as much purpose as a living thing with a finite life. This vulnerability is a device for him to level with her, sympathise with her vulnerability when she’s on her death bed as he offers her his own. Behind the protection of knowing she’s weak and at his mercy he allows himself to be vulnerable in front of her. (I talk much more about this in number 7)

“There is a whole world out there, waiting for you. Great cities and art and music, genuine beauty.” This is such a vulnerable thing for him to say because it depicts his desperate desire to share everything he’s quietly adored over the centuries with someone. It’s a innocent notion that’s painfully lonely. He just wants to share what he loves with her. That alone is just a simple need to make a connection with someone, his entire life has just felt like total isolation, unable to connect with anybody. Everyone he meets is either too scared to go near him, hates him too much that they wouldn’t listen or unnervingly loyal that they lose all his respect. But Caroline is the first one to give him more than that. She should be scared yet she isn’t, she stands up to him instead. She should be loyal since he saved her life but she isn’t, she dismisses his mercy instantly. And she convinces herself she hates him when he can tell otherwise that she doesn’t detest him so. Caroline completely blends his expectations of another that he becomes fascinated by her.  

“And you can have all of it.” He wants the beauty to be given to her. He’s literally willing to give her everything, show her everything he’s ever cared for or thought beautiful in his life. It’s the most selfless we see Klaus, his desire to gift someone something, to deliver beauty instead of pain. I think even he doesn’t even realise what he’s really communicating under this guise of being her saving grace. He doesn’t realise that for once he is not asking for anything in return. At first he might think he is receiving her thanks for saving her life but when he never receives it, he doesn’t actually care. This is so important, he no longer cares that she won’t give him anything back because from that moment on her presence is enough for him, talking to her is enough that he will inch by inch reveal himself to her without even realising it.

“You can have a thousand more birthdays.” I like to think that the reason he says a thousand more birthdays is because that’s around how many birthdays he’s had. What he’s actually doing is he’s offering her a version of the worldly life he has lead. He mirrors himself in what he offers her, almost like his gift to her becomes himself. 

“All you have to do is ask” What’s so fascinating about Klaus is that he does all this via means of an ultimatum and in a position of total control. He’s making himself the puppet master reminding her finally that he’s the only one who can give her her life back and the only one who can show her these beautiful things. It’s also painfully sad because he still needs to be in control and cling onto his own superiority and power to even give her an second of his own vulnerability. I don’t think he even realises this, that he would only dream of telling her anything so personal, offer a future, speak of his past, if he wasn’t absolutely certain that she was completely and physically at his mercy. At the same time its oddly liberating for her to be given all of what he has promised, a new life, a thousand birthdays to see the world through his eyes with the only price being asking for it. 

I think this is the point in their story Klaus first sees something in Caroline. A glimpse of her ‘light’. This might just be me but the way he speaks in this scene sounds almost manic and patronising, I feel like it’s a natural compensation for the subtle vulnerability he gives her. Almost like he doesn’t know how else to help someone other than be the one that she will owe for her life. The plot to have Tyler bite her and for him to be her saviour is his sick way of being in the most secure position he can be in in order to give an inch of himself. He wouldn’t begin to say any of this to her in passing where he doesn’t have such control over her life. He couldn’t trust anyone with the inner workings of his mind if he knew they wouldn’t owe him. It’s a reflexive way to deal with a situation for him. But I think he learns, after spending time with her, that she won’t ridicule the pieces of his mind he’s giving her. He then begins to break his habit, that I’m sure he hasn’t broken in a millennia, of needing the other to be at his mercy. He shows her himself, his art (3x14), tales of his past(4x7) and Klaus learns an entirely new way to behave.

[canary-vikings-tvd]

Endless love

Is it Stefan and Elena or is it Damon and Elena? A question we asked ourselves many times!

Here are my personal reasons and my beliefs why delena is endgame.

"Well crazy or not, that kind of love never dies." ~Klaus Mikaelson

Elena and Stefan might be the epic and perfect couple, but I think Elena way better experiences her relationship and love with Damon. I think love can only get real if it has grown. For me love needs to grow before it can get real. Exactly that Elena had with Damon. First she hated him... but then she began to know him better, she saw his good side when no one did. She was the only one who was able to see it. She believed in him, that he could be the better man.

"I'm not a hero, Elena. I don't do good. It's not in me." ~Damon

"Maybe it is." ~Elena

It was always Elena who believed in him the most.

It was Elena who showed everyone that Damon was worth saving.

"Somewhere along the way, you decided I was worth saving. I wanted to thank you for that." ~Damon

She cared for him like no one else did. She showed everyone that Damon could be worth loving. She was the only one who was able to change him, and she did. They went from enemies to friends, from friends to lovers and from lovers to soulmates.

Elena changed him for the better. She made him a better person.

"Love does that, Damon. It changes us."~Andie

Elena was his humanity, she showed him that love does not only means to be manipulative, broken, hurting or cruel. Love can be pure and real too. This she taught him. This made Damon human. His humanity is Elena.

One of Elena's characteristics is the necklace from Esther, that Stefan gave her. This famous necklace is a "Stelena" thing, but this very same necklace was the beginning of "Delena".

Stefan gave her that necklace in order that Damon won't be able to get into her head.

So that Damon won't be able to compel her. But that very same necklace was the thing that let Damon into her heart.

In the end it was always Damon who gave her the necklace back after Elena lost it several times. The very thing that was the bond between his brother and Elena. The very thing that kept their bond alive. And yet he gave it to her every time, because Damon knew how much that necklace meant to her. Even though it hurt him, he gave it to her. This was the most selfless thing Damon ever did to her. And in that moment, Elena loved him. The necklace let Elena starting to fell in love with him.

It was Damon who always saved Elena. It was Damon who has never put anyone's life before hers. Including his own.

Damon did always everything to save her. Putting everyone's life aside so that she could survive!

It was Damon who made all the wrong choices for the right reasons. He let it happen that Elena would hate him even if it meant to keep her safe.

"I don't mind being the bad guy. I'll make all the life and death decisions. [..] I'll even let her hate me for it. But at the end of the day, I'll be the one to keep her alive." ~ Damon to Stefan

He let her be with his brother even if it hurt him every time... Damon never forced Elena to love him, he never pushed her into loving him, he respected her being with his brother. He never really told her that he loves her, he made it forget, he made her forget that she met him first. He did it, so that his brother could have her. Nonetheless, how jealous or hurt he was, he let her be with his brother. And because of that, he did not want to be selfish, selfish for loving Elena and taking her as his own.

No... he basically sacrificed his love so that she could be happy with his brother.

Damon was the one who made Elena feel alive. He brought out a totally different side of her to the surface of her character. He brought out her wild side, he challenged her, made her question everything, while Stefan tried to push that side down...

It was Damon who enlightened her true self.

Damon always understood Elena the most.

" You and I, we have something. An understanding."~Elena

It was Damon who made her in death feel most alive. When Elena became a vampire, she hated everything about being a vampire. But then she discovered the good part about it. The promise that "love could be eternal". She had that with Damon.

"Being with Damon makes me happy. When I'm with him it feels unpredictable. Like I'm free." ~Elena

It was Damon who showed her that love does not need to be perfect, but real. It was Damon who gave her what she has always wanted. A love that consumes her. He gave her passion and adventure and even danger.

"You want what everyone wants. You want a love that consumes you. You want passion and adventure, and even a little danger." ~Damon

"I want to thank you for giving me everything I always wanted. A love that consumed me, and passion, adventure. There's nothing more I could ever want other than for it to last forever." ~Elena

He gave her true love. He loved Elena so much like no one else ever loved her before. Elena is his life.

"I'm not gonna let someone's idea of destiny stop me from loving you or being with you, or building a future with you, because you are my life." ~Damon

It was Damon who could handle her fire. It was him who gave her the feeling to be loved endlessly. It was Damon she fell in love with, while she was human. It was him she still loved with the sire bond, although no one believed her, that those feelings were real.

"Being sired doesn't mean you feel differently about someone. The bond affects how you act, not how you feel." ~Tyler

"The Bond can't be broken with magic. A vampire only holds to her sire when she has feelings for him before she turns. Human feelings. Vampirism only heightened those emotions."

It was Damon she always felt connected to.

It was Damon who was there for her when no one else was.

"How he's always been there for you when it mattered. You know through thick and thin, and good times and bad times. Maybe I haven't given him enough credit." ~ Caroline to Elena

It was him, where no words where needed, to tell him that how much she loved him because he knew it. They fought like a married couple.. they slept alongside like a married couple... they loved each other so much. They loved each other against the universe. And the reason why their love lasted till the end, was because they fought for their love.

"Do you see a future with me? Because that's all I see." ~Elena

"Elena I've seen it the second I laid eyes on you" ~Damon

"Five years from now, where are you?" ~Damon

"Easy, with you" ~Elena

It was him she fought for, against the universe, she loved him even after the sire bond broke. She started to fell in love with him again when she lost every good memory she had of him. It was him she loved after being human again, even though everyone told her, that if she would take the cure, she would go back to Stefan. But this did not happen, because her love for Damon was real.

And not to forget that Stefan actually did not wanted the cure for her, he wanted the cure because he could not see Elena as a vampire. He wanted her to come back to him. Which I get, but he did not wanted the cure for Elena. He wanted her to change her. Change her becoming her old self again, but that wasn't Elena anymore. Damon always wanted the cure for her. Because that's what she wanted. And when Elena said, that she did not wanted the cure anymore, Stefan wasn't able to accept it, he couldn't. While Damon wasn't okay with that, but he accepted it, because Elena said to him, that she did not wanted to become human if it meant she could not be with Damon for ever. So instead of refusing her choice he told her that he would become human too. So that he would be human with her, so that they both could grow old together, live a happy life. He became human for her.

"I've been a vampire for a long time, Elena. It's been a blast, but I would give it up in a second to be your husband, your p a r t n e r, father of your kids. I can take it for us. Ok? Because even if it doesn't work, even if all goes to hell, even if I'm miserable and alone, the smallest chance at the perfect life with you is infinitely better than an immortal one without you, and I know this, Elena. I love you... and I will love you until I take my last breath on this earth." ~Damon

Stefan never thought about becoming human for her. He never thought about taking the cure, so that they could grow old together. He didn't.

Elena never wanted to become a vampire. Not even for Stefan, so that she could be with him for ever. But than as a vampire, she was willingly to give up her chance to be human again, so that she could be with Damon. She was willingly to accept being a vampire, if it meant being with Damon for ever. She always talked about "for ever" with Damon. She always talked to him as her soulmate, she always talked about a future with him. She never did think about a future with Stefan.

It was Damon she always found her way back to, because somehow she always finds her way back to him. This is real love.

"I love you more than I ever thought was humanly possible" ~Elena

"You and I, we are messy and complicated, but we are real" ~Elena

"It's the most real thing I've ever felt in my entire life" ~Elena

"True love isn't easy, but it must be fought for. Because once you find it, it can never be replaced."

Elena said, that Damon made all the wrong choices, she said, that he is a terrible person. But Elena forgives him... because she is fighting for him, she never gives up on him.

Damon is thankful for this. He knows that the best thing that makes Elena, Elena, is her capacity of forgiveness. He knows that he did many things wrong. He knows, that he is bad for her. He knows that!!! He told her that she should stop loving him, so that she could be happy and free from him, so he would not hurt her anymore.

And yet she can not stop loving him.

He set her free... he told her to go away from him. He told her to stay away from him.

He did everything to push her away from him, so she wouldn't be surrounded by him, the bad one, the one who brings danger.

But still she can not stop loving him, she can not live in a world without him.

"She could not imagine a universe, no matter how many dimensions there were, without a Damon in it. There was no world for her, if there was no Damon" ~Elena

So Elena lost her memories of him and her love to him, but she still finds her way back to him. Even in that time when she forgot that she loved him and Damon was broken, he didn't force her to love him again! He let her believe in herself and yet again she fell for him. He never ever did force her to love him, he respected her, he let her go, he pushed her away even though it broke him, he did it many times. This isn't selfish. It's most selfless he ever did. But still she forgives him she comes back to him no matter how many times they try to be apart from each other.

"I'm not sorry that knowing you has made me question everything. That in death, you're the one that made me feel most alive. You've been a terrible person. You've made all the wrong choices. And of all the choices I've made, this will prove to be the worst but I'm not sorry that I'm in love with you. I love you, Damon. I love you" ~Elena

Elena's and Stefan's Love was perfect, because the Love was pure. Stefan's Love was pure.

Elena fell in love with Stefan because she felt save with him. She was a broken girl who lost her parents and she wanted to find someone she can love and never dies. She was with Stefan, so she could escape her grief.

The relationship between Elena and Stefan felt rushed, it was too fast... they where nearly strangers and suddenly loved each other. There was no development in getting to know each other first. With Damon and Elena's relationship, we saw a certain depth in it, that's why it felt more real, more believable.

"When it's real you never can walk away" ~ Lexi

Stefan always called Elena his soulmate. Elena called him her epic love, but never her soulmate. She only called Damon her soulmate.

Elena and Stefan had many ups and downs, but I think they never really affected their relationship, like if it was perfect and never could be destroyed. (except for the part when Stefan became the Ripper for Klaus)

While Elena never gave up on Stefan, Stefan did give her up sometimes when he couldn't see other options, then letting go. Stefan run from her, he turned her back on her instead of staying stronger through the problem with her. They never really faced real suffer a relationship has...

But with Damon and Elena, they have ups and downs in their relationship. They started with hating each other, or at least Elena hated Damon first. Then they both got to grow to know each other more. Elena started to see Damon's good side and Damon started to change because of her. Damon fell in love with her. They hurt each other couple times but still find each other reunited. They both changed each other.

"They had a fight. I know you want to stop it. Protect her from it. But you're young, you don't see what I see. It's not just that she makes him a better person. And she does, but ... he changes her too. Damon challenges her, surprises her. He makes her question her life, beliefs. Stefan is different. His love is pure. He'll always be good for her. Damon is either the best thing for her, or the worst." ~Rose

Rose said the truth. She always saw a deep connection between Damon and Elena. She believed in Damon. She believed in him that he could find the happiness he deserved. She believed in them. They were each other's humanity, each other's life. Because like Stefan said, they are miserable without each other.

"I can't live without her" ~Damon

"I can't live without him" ~Elena

When Damon had no humanity and was compelled by Sybil, and lost his memories about Elena and the love they had, he fought for his humanity. He fought for Elena. The only thing, that could break the compulsion was Elena's necklace. In that time this necklace was the only thing that could give him hope. That necklace was able to keep Damon alive. The necklace was able to bring his humanity back. It was the only thing which could break the compulsion Sybil did to him, simple for the reason that Damon's love for Elena was stronger than anything else.

"I hold this and I get this little flicker of warmth" ~Damon

"Damon, I gave you that necklace because it is as powerful and as magical as the love that you and Elena have for each other. Being here and feeling what you're feeling proves that a love that deep and real can win over everything. [...] Somewhere deep down in that part of you where Elena is still buried. Find that place, Damon. Fight for her. Or spend the rest of eternity trying to figure out, what happened to the best part of you." ~Caroline

~Damon is talking to Sybil while his humanity is trying to flip back~

"When you were mucking about in my subconscious, did you ever take the time to understand Elena? Her capacity of forgiveness?"

[..]

"And even though I can't feel a damn thing for Elena, the more you try and push her out, the more I understand she's never going away" ~Damon

Now if this does not mean real love! They never left each other. No matter how many miles or in life and death they were apart of each other, they never left each other. Because deep down, they were always together. They were always inside of their hearts. They always find each other, in life and death. They are each other's hope and happiness. They love each other, to life and death.

"Promise me this is for ever."

"I promise" ~Elena and Damon

"Till death do us apart" ~Damon

But even in death they weren't apart from each other. Their love was so strong, it never could tear them apart. Nothing could break them. Not even Stefan, without his humanity, was able to break Damon from Elena. Not even Sybil was able to break Damon. Not even the memory loss of Elena could break her, because she fell for him all over again. They are one. They are whole, they are each other's best half, they are each other's best side, they are each other's humanity, they are each other's whole world, they are each other's eternal soulmate, they are each other's life!

Stefan without his humanity never cared for Elena. While the necklace was able to bring Damon back, it never did to Stefan... Lexi told him, that this necklace represented hope for him, but Stefan didn't notice.

While for Damon it was Elena who could bring him back, it never was for Stefan..

for Stefan, it was Damon. It was always his brother (and Lily) who could bring his humanity back.

Elena and Damon had many break ups, Elena got hurt, Damon was angry...

But no matter how many times they hurt each other, no matter how many times they try to be apart, to break up. No matter how many times Damon freaks out and kills again, no matter how many times Elena gets hurt. No matter how many times they try to hate each other, they always find their way back to each other, they always reunite.

"I've made some huge mistakes in my life. But being with you wasn't one of them. And yes, I had Alaric compel away my love for you. And yes, I did love Stefan once. The night I died Matt was driving me back to him. And yet, I found my way back to you. Damon, I somehow always find my way back to you. It doesn't matter if I have memories or not. It doesn't matter if I'm a vampire or not." ~Elena to Damon

They love each other no matter what bad things they do to each other they love each other more than anything else and that is what keeps them going....

Delena is true Love, it's endgame.

~From Sarah with love

[thehollowprince]

You know even during Stefan’s Ripper days, I never bought Damon’s “good and morally superior” act. I mean it often felt like wanted to show how morally superior he was to Ripper Stefan, but reality he was just being self righteous. Basically I am saying I think Damon was always a piece of shit even before he became a Ripper himself.

Damon was always the lesser brother. I know that sounds mean (which I am), but it's the truth. I said before that Stefan was always the better option, no matter which way you turned. You want someone kind and compassion? Someone attentive who actually listens to and respects your choices? Abs for days and perfectly coifed hair? You turn to Stefan. Flip that and look for the villain, someone over-the-top and mischievous? Someone who manages to outsmart and outmaneuver vampires way older than him, as well as play on their past emotional connection? Stefan!

Damon always just felt like a second-best option, and I honestly don't know why so many fans were so obsessed with him.

I think the reason I (and others) feel that was was of how they were introduced in the show. Stefan started out ad the Nice Guy™ while Damon was introduced as the Bad Boy™. I always think of what my grandmother used to say, that "you should always be nice before you're a dick, because if you start out by being a dick, that's all people will ever see you as." Damon was a dick and went out of his way to prove how big of a dick he was. Everything after that, even when he was trying to be "nice" was colored by that first impression. It always felt like, the few times he was trying to be a gentleman toward whoever, that it was him trying to make up for being an asshole so many times, whereas Stefan just exuded this sense of genuineness. He was trying to be the good guy not to make up for his horrible past (though that was in there, too) but because that's just how he was.

He, way more than Damon, just wanted to be a good person.

Damon's niceness was always undercut but how he chose to go about doing it. Sure, he wanted to protect Elena, but it was more of a selfish thing, taking away her choices because what she wanted to do wasn't what he deemed appropriate or what she should do. That was throughout their entire time knowing each other, him constantly making decision for her, deciding what she could or couldn't know so as to make her own decisions.

Damon Salvatore was the textbook abusive boyfriend, even if he never physically assaulted her. And the mental gymnastics that Plec went through to have the narrative forgive him was absurd. He did all those horrible things to Caroline when they first met, including rape, and she forgives him because he was kind of nice to her mom? He treats Bonnie like garbage throughout the run until Elena's out of the picture, even trying to kill her, but a few months stuck in a parallel world where she's his only company and suddenly they're best friends? Damon also treated Matt as garbage for literally the entire run of the show, turning his sister into a vampire because he was bored and thought it would be funny, and one half-assed apology later they're kind of on okay terms, or at least the same side? Tyler... y'know what, I'm still not over how callously Tyler's death was handled by the show and how Damon faced zero repercussions for it.

The thing about Damon that I never got was how he half-assed everything. Being a good guy because he wanted to get the girl, or even being a bad guy, just because he was bored. It was like he never put any actual effort into anything and yet still the narrative praised him for it.