#and the lack of actually reading words and etc is usually why ppl just don't know how to write

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Unpopular opinion: listening to an audiobook doesn't count as reading

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I saw it on Reddit that ppl are complaining abt the lack of promotions of this comeback, and I realize SM really has a bad reputation among western audience... honestly I seriously enjoyed this comeback and I do think the promos okay. We got the movement dance my and b side mvs, and tons of Jaedo moments! I guess people are just worried at the "senior" status of 127? reddit.com/r/NCT/s/Gr5IXfIE7F

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First of all, thank you for speaking up.

In any type of society or a big group there exist a problem of a small loud minority gaslighting the silent majority. An individual from the silent mass thinks he is alone in his opposing view because he doesn't see his own opinion and thoughts echoed in the discussion in media or in comments on boards. So he keeps silent in fear of being ostracized.

When it comes to fans, writing about what they don't like or find lacking releases steam. Writing something positive? Not as attractive. A content person is a lazy person. There is no motivational "fighting spirit". Even I complain about songs but seldom write about what I like. It is just in human nature - take good things for granted and demand more and more.

Fans do leave positive comments, but usually under YT videos (I saw many an opinion that this comeback is the best there, heh). Either to thank the team behind the content or in hopes idols will read their words of support. Reddit, twitter? - a platform for small talk and offhand comments. Not to forget, other fans happily retwit and spread (and remember) negative twits and seldom retwit and discuss positive ones. People remember bad things much better than the good ones.

"I feel like unless you follow NCT, you wouldn’t even know they were having a comeback." - It goes for every group unless a fan pays close attention to music shows and k-pop music releases. I can't say when EXO had comeback last time. Let alone Cravity or even Seventeen (I know they had a song recently thanks to MokChu and SM fans accusing Hybe of copying aespa teasers only).

127 was promoted on Melon, Spotify, K-pop On, etc - streaming platforms and new k-pop songs playlists. M2, Killpo - choreo channels. Grammy site and other sites releases articles. It's these places that actually inform k-pop fans at large about new songs and comebacks. Fans still can't realise that the ways promotion brings results has changed and clings to some "badges of participation" that a group should collect every time.

Why ifans care about radio-appearences, a dying media, when noone even will translate a radio episode for them, for example? A tiktok with Seventeen will give more exposure than appearence on some YT show with a non k-pop MC.

Killer Voice is a different cause. It would be good if 127 were to go there again. Their first Killer Voice is still makes rounds.

Lastly. The comeback is still ongoing. There can be some programme appearences with a delay, who knows. Jungwoo has a variety show he is on. He can mention about the comeback there.

The OP on reddit wrote about own experiense - I found 127 through a YT programme with Tae and JN. OK. There is a ton of programmes on YT from past comebacks. Noone watches old episodes or what?

But anyway. As I said before, it is time to come to terms that 127 is a senior group by k-pop standarts. At the very beginning promotions are on a big scale because noone knows the freshly-debuted group. Meanwhile nowadays fans of Zerobaseone or Boynextdoor get to know about NCT through their biases fanboying over Doyoung and Jaehyun, or their biases making covers to their songs. The same way we get to know Taeyeon or Kyuhyun. Right now SM has several new groups (Riize and NCT Dream) and will debut new acts soon (SMgg and Naevis).

Riize is the most popular right now in SK. If they promote their seniors, the job is done, heh. Same goes for Stray Kids and Seventeen, who are friends with 127 neos.

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#i mean imo its blatant ableism. it makes it incredibly hostile for ppl with higher social support needs to exist online

tag by @shoforca yeah. That's part of what hurts, if this was coming from people I didn't overall like I'd just block and move on with my day, but this is coming from people who I do overall like following. And I think most people I follow are some kind of neurodivergent so it's an intracommunity thing which makes it worse.

And it's ableist on multiple levels: complaining about reading comprehension is itself ableist -- some people do have trouble with reading comprehension, when it's not a disability thing it's generally related to poverty/lack of access to education or second language issues, all of which are social justice concerns. What people actually mean by "poor reading comprehension" (I think) is people not putting in effort when their reading comprehension is fine if they do put in effort, but that's a completely different problem from not having the ability to understand written words easily which is not something people can fix by trying harder -- and it's ableist in that when people are less good at figuring out and applying social norms from context that's a disability issue, and being able to figure out when people are just complaining and shouldn't be taken literally/too seriously is a disability issue, and a lot of the what above vague complaint is about is "not everything applies to you" which I've often seen used to discount completely reasonable objections to otherizing language, especially (ironically) in the sort of mental health recovery/positivity posts that assume everyone can recover if they just make the effort, which is itself an ableist concept. Gaaahhhhh.

Anyways it would be so much better if 1. more people accepted that sometimes people fuck up because they're disabled, not because they're intentionally being jerks or not trying hard enough to be polite, and 2. talked about this stuff in a way that allowed for the possibility it is genuinely confusing for people rather than assuming malice and acting accordingly. Like, if someone is being malicious then being all snarky at them can be an effective way to get them to fuck off forever. But if someone misunderstands social media etiquette what they need is an accurate guide to social media etiquette, and "have better reading comprehension" is not remotely that. "Don't interact with people you have not already established a positive two-way relationship with" is better, but also a guideline that it's usually safe to break and which people break all the time (and in fact following that guideline is not a reliable way to avoid getting yelled at, and is not good for sharing art or political news/concepts, etc.) "Don't have adversarial interactions with people you have not established a positive two-way relationship with" is again better, but it can be very hard to predict when "hey you didn't think about x" will be well received and when it'll be taken as fighting words.

I don't really like talking about these things primarily from a name-the-oppression perspective, because that tends to bring out the fight mode in people whereas showing vulnerability is at least in some contexts (eg an established relationship with mutual positive feeling) more likely to evoke sympathy and understanding. (Usually this sort of ableism isn't a deliberate "hey I want disabled people to suffer" thing either, I think it's more likely to just be thoughtless/ignorant/unaware.) But, the name-the-oppression approach can be better for people who are hurt by the thing and need help figuring out why/validation of the suffering. And sometimes repeated exposure to "name the oppression" talk gets people trained out of defensive reactions to it, which is a very good thing.

My "favorite" (sarcasm) type of post is one that makes me feel sad/hurt but in a way where I think if I say anything about it I'll get labeled a special snowflake, told I'm being too sensitive, or told that my reading comprehension was bad and that's what the post was about so I'm demonstrating their point.

And it's frustrating, because most of this genre could actually be summed up as "hey, social media can make it really confusing when it would be appropriate/welcome to respond to someone else's post and when it isn't, this is new technology and people haven't figured out all the etiquette yet (especially in regards to anything social justice related, where the etiquette is actively in conflict with whatever you were likely taught), if you aren't sure maybe err on the side of not interacting/if you do interact and someone gets mad, chances are you did something that would be appropriate in a different context but isn't in THIS context." But instead it's all "wow people are (character flaw)".

Except not actually saying that directly, it's words that imply it's a character flaw in a mocking way, in that "of course everyone can parse this accurately and if not you are deserving of shame and ridicule forever" and...yeah.

It is unkind.

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do you have any resources on OSDD? like more in depth than just the diagnostic criteria, i'm very familiar with those, i guess more...people talking abt what it feels like? I have cptsd and I've been noticing things very similar to what you described in your post for a long time now. I thought I had DID for sure a while ago, but I was also actively manic/psychotic, so when that calmed down I assumed I had just been delusional. But the identity disturbances and dissociation persist. I don't think it's DID now it's osdd if it's anything but I'm wary of saying that for sure and rly would like some i guess more descriptive accounts of how symptoms are for someone with it. Sorry if this is a lot/you don't have anything of that nature, I'm glad to hear you're figuring out your own multiplicity and hope the understanding helps you in your healing process!

firstly, thank you for your kind words 😊

@/this-is-not-dissociative has a lot of info about did/osdd-1 (and other dissociative stuff) as well as having did/osdd-1 vs. dissociation in bpd/cptsd - though it's possible to have did/osdd-1 and bpd/cptsd of course - and did-research.org talks about osdd-1 a little bit (especially vs. having full-blown did). these are probably the best resources i can point you towards even though they don't contain many personal accounts. the first blog is staunchly against self-dx iirc and there's a lot of "you should speak to a professional about this" but u know how it is (at the very least they provide a lot of info and resources on how to go about doing that, it seems.)

some posts in particular that may be informative/helpful to you (there are probably many reasons to dislike this blog but it's what i've found most informative so yeah):

anp and ep, + an explanation of structural dissociation and how it models ptsd, cptsd, bpd, osdd-1, and did.

anp and avoiding trauma

an example of did vs. osdd-1

parts in bpd/cptsd vs. osdd-1

parts in cptsd vs. osdd-1 (this mod "kevin" has osdd-1, by the way)

parts vs. fragments vs. alters

alters not being easy to recognize

identity confusion vs. identity alteration

( read-more bc this got long despite it being past my bedtime lmao )

the problem w personal accounts of stuff and did/osdd-1 is presentations of these diagnoes will differ from person to person, sometimes greatly. contrary to media depiction they're also covert disorders by nature - they're psychological coping mechanisms for intense distress, and part of those coping mechanisms is being ignorant to the fact that your sense of self is fragmented / there are parts of your sense of self that are attached to trauma. i know of several folks who were initially diagnosed with osdd-1 but then later re-diagnosed as having did because the severity of their situation was very effectively hidden from them by this dissociation.

( another problem is that ppl are flawed and can give bad/wrong info on how stuff works or trends can give the wrong impression and unfortunately that's very common w did/osdd-1 spaces online. e.g. u don't have to know the name, age, etc. or know who's "fronting" or whatever with elaborate tagging systems and pages on ur blog with said info abt ur parts or "alters" to have did/osdd-1. worrying abt that stuff too much can worsen dissociation. )

it's not common for someone to have did/osdd-1 and for it to be obvious to themselves or others (who don't know what to look for, that is). this is why no small number of folks with did/osdd-1 are seemingly well-functioning on the outside since different dissociated parts often serve "everyday life" purposes such as going to work/school and these parts are the ones disconnected from traumatic "materials" as they're called. part of the reason why i'm wanting to conceptualize my experiences as osdd-1 is due to the fact that my default state (the "host"?) is emotionally dissociated from my trauma - i know it happened, but it seemed like it happened to "this body" rather than "me" and i don't feel anything about it until i get triggered. "apparently normal parts" that handle everyday life are usually trauma-avoidant or separated from the trauma like this in some way.

that being said, i'm still not totally sure if i qualify for an osdd-1 diagnosis or not tbqh. my situation is most like the "some individuals with OSDD-1 lack both amnesia and highly distinct parts" mentioned in the page i above linked (but yesterday and this morning/afternoon i was convinced i did - go figure). i'd been researching did/osdd-1 for a while (not necessarily because i thought it was what i was experiencing) which is part of what helped me come to terms with having experienced dissociation for a long time, and i thought up until like...the other day i definitely didn't have it. i came to believe i had some weird bpd/cptsd/szpd-like situation where emotional states had been "locked away" in boxes that i rarely touched as a defense mechanism against psychological distress. i also had a metaphor for my "emotional part(s)" as it/them being like, (a) ghost(s) that follow me around and aren't evil but occasionally "wrap their hands around my throat" to remind me that they're there.

then i saw someone w an osdd-1 diagnosis talk abt how they have parts whose "job" is to "feel sadness for them" as a defense mechanism against that kinda distress and then i was like...huh. and then i thought about how seeing my parents again felt kinda weird and distant. and that's kinda what tipped me off, despite having a pretty unstable sense of self and dissociation issues for a while. the "seeing my parents" thing is somewhat more major, because it felt different from my "default setting." thinking about it is uncomfortable and weird.

ur gonna have to do a lot of reading, tbh, and doing it in moderation is probably a good idea since thinking too much abt dissociation can trigger it. another thing is that conceptualizing yourself as having did/osdd-1 when you don't actually have that experience can worsen dissociation/identity issues as well so u gotta be careful abt how u approach it. but at the same time, cptsd and did/osdd-1 have mostly the same treatment methods anyway (and technically u gotta have cptsd to have did/osdd-1, not as like a diagnostic requirement really but a "you have to be traumatized from long-term traumatic experiences at a young age" sense) so many resources abt did/osdd-1 may be helpful to u regardless of whether you "have" them or not.

i can't tell u how to differentiate between symptoms of psychosis and did/osdd-1 (the blog i mentioned may have posts about that topic - there's two in their master-posts but neither were particularly helpful i don't think) since afaik i'm not psychotic but i wish you luck!