#and the fact that people (including the creator) have to come up with flimsy justifications for it with shit like “well TECHNICALLY-”
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Hey so uhh about the Kawacy vampire comic my friend apparently is a fan and they said that it isn't grooming because the usual "He only loves her when she's an adult" and say that he also protect her from "actual predators"
#not to @ your friend because i don't know their life#if they like the comic then that's them#but a vampire raising a person from childhood and then dating her and marrying her is straight up yikes#and the fact that people (including the creator) have to come up with flimsy justifications for it with shit like “well TECHNICALLY-”#it just isn't helping their case at all LMAO#there's even a drawing of them about to have sex called 'deflowering' like hello ???#that word is VERY old and often used to describe young maidens having their 'innocence' taken from them through sex#like please be fr#and him “protecting her” from “other predators” is so typical LMAO#wanna know why he's so quick to jump on “actual predators”??#because he is LITERALLY A PREDATOR HIMSELF#THE CALLS ARE COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE-#it's like how partners who are serial cheaters will accuse their partners of cheating#they know exactly what it looks like BECAUSE THEY DO IT so they project like crazy#“i'm DIFFERENT than those people i'm trying to protect you from >:((”#ama#ask me anything#anon ask me anything#anon ama
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on marx’s inferno
there are weaknesses in arguments that refer to marx’s notes/letters regarding the lack of something, especially since so little of it survives and even less of it has been translated, but you would think something as critical as the very structure of marx’s argument in volume 1 and how it relates to the socialist theory of his contemporaries (and those who came before) would have popped up, if not in marx’s own hand then in engels’, if not in engels’ then in the socialist response to volume 1, who apparently was supposed to be aware of the content of these debates regarding the place of “hell” and dante’s inferno as a literary analogy, etc.
william roberts makes what i think is an excellent point in his response to david harvey’s review, when he says “The literary form of his [marx’s] intervention is not a costume he dresses his theory up in; it is the form of the theory itself.” to me, this is an crucial insight (although worded somewhat awkwardly), but i dont think it means what he believes it does. that marx’s style is reflective of the theory, rather than just being how it appears, is something i think to be absolutely true. i mentioned the other day how marx’s use of irony goes beyond tone and is a way for marx to capture the contradictory nature of the subject. robert paul wolff asserts that “The key to an understanding of Capital is the concept of mystification,” which marx addresses -- theoretically -- through his use of irony. wolff says, “Marx’s complex vision of the reality and mystifying appearance of capitalist society can be rendered literarily only by the ironic discourse that we in fact find in Capital.” later on (more profoundly), he notes,
“Marx wishes to assert, as an indispensable tenet of his analysis of capitalism, that the particular obfuscations exhibited in classical political economy are the necessary and characteristic mode in which capitalist social relations misrepresent themselves. Every mode of production, he argues, rationalises its social relationships of production in a distinctive manner. Capitalism’s strategy of justification is to present a surface appearance of justice and equal exchange, so concealing its fundamental exploitative nature as to appear to have nothing to hide.
Marx must find a language that will permit him to do three things at once. His language must express the mysteriousness of our daily experience of commodity production and exchange; it must lead us to confront that mysteriousness; and it must help us to dispel the illusion so that we may apprehend the real nature of capitalist social relations and move beyond the false clarity of classical political economy to a true understanding of exploitation, accumulation, and crisis.
Marx seeks, furthermore, a discourse that will permit him, while accomplishing this complex effort of demystification, still to capture and express the extent to which he, and we, as participants in the mystified social order of capitalism, preserve its illusions, fetishisms, and mysteries even as we expose them and strive to overcome them. We shall find that Marx’s language in the opening chapters of Capital is artfully devised for these purposes, while permitting the expression of complex moral sentiments in a fashion that would be prohibited by the style of Value, Price, and Profit. Indeed, it is not too strong to say that Capital is a work of high literary art whose dominant metaphors, ironic structure, and authorial voice subserve a deliberate philosophical purpose”
this, i think, is an extremely powerful way to read volume 1, and i think roberts is right to discuss the ways in which marx’s style is more than just marx talking about concepts in an exciting or “simplified” way, but, counter to his interpretation, i believe it to be a very real attempt at grappling with “the ironic structure of the crazy, inverted world of capitalism” through language.
in this, i think roberts falls for a problem also outlined by wolff,
“To say that a poet speaks metaphorically is to say that the poet sees certain resemblances or correspondences and wishes us to see them as well. But to say that the world is in itself metaphorical – so that the poet merely discovers what already exists – is to say that objects, events, and relationships themselves refer to other objects, events, and relationships. Now, on the face of it, the rising of the sun in the East cannot itself refer to the resurrection of Jesus, or the eventual ascension into heaven of those who have been saved, although I, as the observer of the event, may draw that comparison. Only if the universe is imbued with meaning, only, that is, if the universe is the intentional product of a purposeful Creator, can it make sense to describe objects or events as themselves referring.”
roberts seems to be “the observer of the event”, having projected his metaphor onto volume 1 in this exact way. rather than simply projecting a parallel which has useful implications, as in the case of “the poet”, he sees the parallel that he himself has constructed as evidence of “the intentional product of a purposeful Creator”, in this instance, the Creator of volume 1.
that his book might stimulate discussion in extremely important ways, and perhaps even change the way that we reflect on volume 1, is a very good thing, but that can happen without assuming any intent on marx’s part here. if anything, the information we have seems to imply that robert’s thesis falls flat, and i think he believes that this tie between metaphor and marx’s project is crucial to the validity of his reading.
maybe some would deny the relevance of a book that is solely interested in constructing a new angle to approach volume 1 that didn’t derive from marx himself, but i think that’s a mistake. when it comes to approaching a text like this, we are bound to project on it in our own ways. to have a book which offers a macro-projection which bears implications for the potential political aspects of marx’s capital is exciting and useful, at the very least in the generation of new discussions and ideas.
since we’re quickly approaching the 150th anniversary of volume 1, we’re bound to get lots of books dealing with the text, but this one may have a more important role to play in how people construct their reading of capital than the same old debates thrown around by the same old theorists for the millionth time. this is a truly original thesis, and something which we should reflect on, but without it turning into an imposition of “what marx really meant”. the danger in this sort of approach is that it works like vice grips on the reading of marx, and encourages the opposite of open discussion but rather tries to narrow the scope and limit the potential utility of marx’s critique. that marx may have intended to write volume 1 is not really up for debate, but a reading regarding his intention to write it in the way roberts seems to believe, which is predicated on flimsy terms like this (especially being pushed in the way it is), can do more harm than good.
if it brings people to marx, or even forces us to revisit him on new terms, then the book is a success. but that success does not have to include an agreement with the straightjacket of roberts’ interpretation.
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