#and tbh i don't know what I'd think cuz the difference in the modern game...

[captainsway]

feel free to ignore if you just do NOT wanna bother, but i wanted to ask: are there like, ANY civil discussions/debates happening between pro-jedi and jedi-critical blogs on tumblr?

I ask this cuz my personal feelings kinda fall dead-center on the issue (currently slightly crit-leaning, but I've waffled multiple times), and I enjoy seeing how differing perspectives can shed light on how various issues in canon are interpreted.

Recently I unblocked someone (cuz I didn't remember what I'd blocked them for), liked a good chunk of their posts for offering some decent points... aaaaand then noticed they were being way too combative for what seemed like normal debate. Yep, I'd forgotten englishlady changed her username and had to reblock her.

So I wanted to see if there's any pro-jedi blogs (personal preference: ones that don't ship master/padawan ships) regularly interacting with jedi-crit blogs (ones that aren't... like that) in a more constructive fashion. But tbh I understand if that's like asking for the death star to blow up on its own. XD

Tbh a lot of people I know who are pro jedi aren't actively involved with debates with jedi critical people since the jedi critical people..... tend to just make shit up? Or just say shit that comes from a video game and all that isn't lucas canon. I know agoddamn has made a lot of good points and writerbuddha has brought a lot of Buddhism takes to the jedi (which are canon bc lucas was Buddhist at the time and took a lot of inspo from Buddhist monks). I think @short-wooloo and @starwarsaddiction and @hannagoldworthy will reblog some debates stuff but overall it's really fucking tiring seeing people drink the palps juice or force their Christian bullshit on the jedi when they're like. 5% Christian lmao meanwhile the other 95% are Buddhism, Taoism, Jewish, Muslim, etc. But Christians don't care and only focus on their western, and often white, viewpoints while talking over Asian people

I think the whole 'pro jedi' vs 'jedi critical' takes are pointless bc the 'jedi critical' stance is a fundamental misunderstanding of the actual movies. The jedi were never meant to be perfect but lucas wanted to show that helping people doesn't always mean you can be perfect. The jedi were supposed to be *good* and I think a lot of modern grimdark media has warped people's mentalities that 'there can never be good' or 'the good has something secretly bad'. I saw that a lot with politics and the whole 'don't vote for biden even if that means Trump wins' takes. Nobody voting for biden *liked* him but if it was a way to make life 10% better for 10% of the population who were suffering then its something that *needed* to be done. And I think a lot of 'jedi critical' people don't understand that the jedi were trying their best to BE GOOD even if their decisions weren't absolutely perfect. Because the plot was against them and they *had* to choose the lesser of two evils. Would they stand aside and refuse to fight for the republic because of their moral stance on the clones? That would mean the clones would STILL die and much MUCH more civilians would too. And let's not forget *palpatine was the chancellor* and already promoted propaganda against the jedi. Their downfall would've come much faster than if they acted like in canon. We know the jedi had moral issues with leading the clones but it's better they had the moral issues and treated the clones like people rather than some admiral like tarkin who saw them as fodder.

Overall I think a lot of 'jedi critical' people are disillusioned kids who watched tcw and took it as the sole truth. Like the whole point was 'the jedi at war' and they tried to make it palatable for kids with really shitty writing that differed between writers lmao. And modern society and politics has made people really wary of things that are supposed to be good. Which is unfortunate tbh. But star wars was always about having hope that good things can prevail?? The grimdark mentality is counter intuitive to the actual message of star wars - that even in the darkest of times there is still a light that can shine the way. And when people refuse that and take sith ideology (which was 100% based on nazi Germany and American imperialism) and start preaching that the jedi are bad its like. What hope do *they* have that there's any good in the world...?

[bsaka7]

we COULD make the best english arsenal right back poll. ben white vs lee dixon