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voxvulpina · 3 years ago

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Hello, fellow anti-sessrinner here and I have a bone to pick with the way you worded one of your answers in your last couple of asks, this sentence right here: “You can't expect a 10 year old to look at a romanticised portrayal of a grown man getting with a 14 year old or of siblings screwing or whatever sick shit proshippers are into.”

You do realize anti Sessrins are not like regular antis and run the gamut from your standard fandom antis to outright proshippers don’t you? I happen to be the latter of the (same sex and consensual adults only) of the two and I resent the fact that my shipping preferences are being put in the same category as the outright criminal lolicons and pedos. First of all there is absolutely a group of us out there (me and my friends in particular) who are caught in the middle of general shipping discourse. We’re generally pro-ship in most ways on a variety of subjects such as dubcon, non-con, toxic dynamics and yes, incest, but we absolutely draw the line at ships that depict pedophilia and/or child grooming and hate that we’re being associated with the loli and shots crowd. The difference between our ships and theirs is that at least our ships are actually legal and are between two adults with an equal power dynamic while they’re consuming literal child porn.

Also shipping problematic content such as incest and whatnot at least has nothing to say about what type of person you are, someone with maybe a weird and little gross fetish to most regular people okay, but as soon as you touch anything with a child in it you’re automatically a pedo suspect, and me and my kind would prefer not being lumped in with the actual criminals thanks.

The proshipping vs anti debates aren’t so black and white like either side makes it out to be, there absolutely are some of those stuck in the middle who feel like we don’t completely belong in either side. Running in proship circles means we risk having to see child porn and being associated with pedos when a lot of us are just proship for anything and everything that’s NOT pedo/grooming content.

Regardless all of us anti-sessrins are here for one thing and one thing only: We believe fiction affects reality when it comes to the minds of impressionable young children and don’t want the romantization of pedophilic grooming dynamics being normalized and aimed at their age demographic This shit is actually very serious and dangerous so let’s not muddy the issue with talk of petty general shipping politics.

Also FYI, the hardest of hardcore of the raisins have come after Inucest shippers as well (I’m not personally one, my brother/brother ships lie in other fandoms but I do have friends of mine who have been attacked) remember that 10k stalk list that put people on it for simply headcanoning Sesshomaru as gay? Like it or not we’re all in this together as a fandom against Sessrin and Yashahime as a whole.

Look, Anon, nothing you've written changes the fact that incest - yes, fictional incest too - is sick and gross. Let's imagine for a second that, instead of taking the pedo route with SessRin, HNY had gone with InuSess. I'm pretty sure we HNY Antis would be exactly where we are now, protesting about young viewers being made to watch a positive depiction of an incestuous relationship.

As far as I'm aware, the entire reason Antis in this fandom have no issue with InuSess shippers is that they KNOW their ship is problematic. They don't pretend otherwise and tag it accordingly. Antis in this fandom, myself included, aren't that fussed with what people support in fanon, as long as we're not jumpscared or made to run headlong into problematic content. People can absolutely ship InuSess or whatever, but please don't ask me to pretend it's not gross. You really resent the fact I called sibling incest "sick"? I mean, isn't it? You disagree on the fact that incestuous relationships are sick? You said "at least they're legal", but I believe intimate sibling relationships are in fact a criminal offence in most places ☠️

#anti sessrin #anti yashahime

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touchstarvedsam · 4 years ago

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I'm the anon who asked you what do you think about regular destiel shippers again, and I'm not big mad or mad at all, I just disagree with your approach to classifying who's a fan of the show and who isn't.

You said, "I'm sorry, but if you are a CastieI fan and think Sam and Dean are boring, on principle I will not like you because that means you think the CORE of the show is boring and honestly shouldn't even be talking about it." and you're obviously well within your right to not like people like that but I don't really understand why you think they shouldn't be talking about it. Same as you think skipping seasons 1-3 means they're a fake fan, when I think while that's not how the show was originally meant to be enjoyed, I can't see the issue with choosing how to watch it and disregarding some seasons. It's a show, there isn't really a wrong way of viewing it, and we're all a part of a fandom or a ship, it's fanon, it's not going to be canon compliant because it's not meant to be. I feel like if someone says they're a fan then they're a fan.

And that's your right to say that. It's my right to say that skipping the first three seasons and hating the main characters classifies you as a fake fan. I'm sorry but telling new viewers to skip the first three seasons and the finale is fucked up. And only caring about a character that's not even in HALF the show makes no sense to me. There are hellers that admit to skipping episodes Castiel isn't in. I classify those people as fake fans. They can be a fan of the CHARACTER, but they're sure as hell not a fan of the SHOW.

I'm not trying to be mean, but if you don't like my opinion, block me. I have plenty of shows that I liked characters that weren't the main, and I hated the main character, so I quit watching the show. If you're skipping whole seasons or prominent episodes to a series because a recurring guest character isn't in the episodes, then the show is not yours. Sorry not sorry.

These Cas fans think they have right to say Sam and Dean are BORING but SKIP WHOLE SEASONS so they don't even KNOW THE CHARACTERS. These Cas fans think they have the right to decide who Sam and Dean even are, when they know nothing about the characters. That is why I don't consider them real fans. Think what you want, unfollow me if you are following me, or block me. I am well within my right to consider someone who admits they "didn't pay attention until the gay angel came on the show" aren't real fans. Because they are not.

You're allowed to have favorite characters and enjoy shows the way you want, but if you don't pay attention to the main story or main characters, what is the point? You have no knowledge of the show itself, especially those that refer to Castiel as the "gay angel". Because those people are also disrespecting Castiel as a whole. They're reducing him to a sexuality he isn't because they want him to be that sexuality, like those fans reduce Dean to a bisexual when he isn't bisexual.

Castiel was an amazing character when he came onto the show. He was a badass, take no shit, warrior of God. Then he was ruined and fans reduced him to this uwu baby angel that can't even protect himself when he could smite humans and angels alike with one touch to the forehead. And that's sad.

So I'm done now. Have a good day. :)

#anon #kiri answers asks #anti destihellers #anti destiel #i am not sorry

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ashflamethewaffleangel · 4 years ago

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Prison Rules: As complete as I could make 'em

Prison rules

1. NO FANDOM FIGHTS: You are only allowed to start fights with regular prisoners if and only if they bash your fandom(s).

2. We all have one thing in common: gay pairings. Remember this when someone acts up.

3. Gay fanart workshop time is bonding time: Play nice and kindly help others if they ask for it.

4. Sherlock fandom: we would like to ask you to turn your cries off after 11pm. However this rule doesn't apply on Sunday. No wearing sheets around the prison. People are starting to feel violated.

5. Doctor Who fandom: We know bananas are high in potassium. Leave it. Also your screwdriver is not sonic and will be confiscated.

6. Supernatural fandom: please do not take all the salt from the cafeteria.

7. Fans are allowed to be in more than one fandom, do not seclude them if they do.

8. Harry Potter fandom: That is not a wand, it is a stick, and it is not allowed indoors.

9. Glee fandom: Those prison guards are not secretly a couple, stop shipping everything.

10. Darren Criss fandom: The furniture is for SITTING/SLEEPING on, not jumping, so please refrain from doing so.

11. Doctor Who fandom: No breaking out, you're not River Song and this isn't Storm Cage

12. AtLA fandom: Zutarans and Kataangers to stop infighting immediately. We're all in this together. Also fake bending battles to be confined to rec time please, you're weirding out the guards.

13. Furnace Fandom: There are no such things as Wheezers, you're scaring the other inmates with your weird stories.

14. Glee fandom: Please stop crafting shivs while glaring menacingly at other shippers after every ship war you guys have. It's getting ridiculous and they're really starting to pile up.

15. Pirates of the Caribbean fans: please do not steal the emergency supply of rum.

16. X-Men First Class fandom: stop destroying all the cleaning buckets, they won't look like that damn helmet anyway

17. Amnesia fandom: You're not in the prison level, there is no need to hide in dark corners and cry for your lantern. You are freaking out your inmates.

18. Hunger Games fandom: No forcing each fandom to select a champion to send in battle against one another.

19. My Little Pony fandom: Love and Tolerate the shit out of EVERYONE.

20. Whedonites: Don't be afraid to like the other prisoners. Joss can't kill them off in here.

21. Batman fandom: Stop stealing the Whovian's lipstick. You are not the Joker.

22. Twilight fandom: Don't pick fights with the Harry Potter fans in the cafeteria. You cannot slay them with sparkles.

23. Wholockians: You can't insist we pray to Moffat during religious services. Your prayers do not appease him or his troll Gatiss. Also, We don't know how you got on the roof (or how you have jars of jam) But please stop attempting to jump off the roof claiming the doctor will catch you in the TARDIS.

24. Firefly fandom: Those aren't coats. Those are blankets you've fashioned to look like coats. Stop it! ...It's the middle of winter and we don't have the budget for this.

25. Buffy fandom: No, we aren't going to establish a policy of exposing every staff member and inmate to sunlight on a daily basis 'just to make sure'. And no, you can't all work in the woodshop making 'stakes'. Sorry, those are just wooden shivs.

26. Portal and Stargate Fandoms: Your cellmates do not appreciate the chalk circles you keep drawing on the walls. Besides, for it to work you’d have to have the end of the wormhole be on the outside of the prison. Unless you are just sneaking into the kitchen.

27. Skyrim Fandom: Stop calling people “milk-drinkers”. You don’t even know what that MEANS. Also no-one wants to hear about your knee.

28. White Collar Fandom: Pretty sure the guards are looking out for that escape technique by now. You’re never going to grow a convincing beard anyway.

29. Princess Bride: You are NOT Inigo Montoya, your father is upset that you are in jail, and if you quote this again you should prepare to die.

30. Golden Compass: No one else can see your daemon, so it’s kind of freaking people out that you talk to it so much.

31. Temeraire: The egg you get at breakfast is hard boiled. It will never hatch into a dragon, and hoarding them under your pillow won’t change that. Cut it out, they are starting to smell.

32. Dr. Horrible: Actually, the freeze ray you are making out of matchsticks looks quite cool. You may proceed. But hitting on other people on laundry day is unacceptable.

33. Battlestar Galactica: Just because they’re not in your fandom doesn’t make them Cylons! They would appreciate it if you stopped quizzing them on human emotions.

34. House: It COULD be Lupus. But I think you’re getting the prison doctor, not House, to check it out.

35. Mad Men: Um, no, you can’t act like that because we don’t live in the 60’s anymore. Put out that cigar and stop groping the buxom ladies.

36. Vampire Diaries: Stop trying to kill the Twilight fans. You started the whole romanticizing thing, so it’s partially your fault!

37. Song of Ice and Fire: No matter how much you petition the parole board, they will never transfer you to “the Wall”

38. IT Crowd: After you make the necessary jokes, you really should fix the computer. How else will the fanfiction get written?

39.Tin Tin: Pretending to get drunk on the water is not that funny.

40. Monk: Please share your neurotic tendencies only with those who give permission. Organizing people’s cells when they are out in the yard is likely to get you punched.

41. South Park: Just because his name is Kenny doesn’t give you the right to kill him! Also he is not a cartoon. Put the prisoner down.

42. Slenderfandom: No we are not proxies trying to torment you. Put down that camera and knife right now.

43. M*A*S*H: You are no longer permitted in the arts and crafts room if you keep attempting to preform surgery on the tables.

44. [Prototype]: Stop trying to eat the inmates! You will not gain memories or their appearance by doing so.

45. inFAMOUS: You are no longer allowed near any electrical equipment. We've lost a lot of your type because you kept sticking forks in the sockets trying to gain its energy.

46. Kingdom Hearts: We are not Heartless, we are not Nobodies. Put down that broomstick, it is not a keyblade.

47. Homestuck: You are not allowed near the gray face paint anymore. We will also be forced to remove a certain water holding container if you don't stop trying to have sex over top of them. It is unsanitary.

48. The Last Airbender: Stop snapping our silverware in half. It's not considered metalbending and if you continue, we will be forced to use plastic forks and knives again..

49. Holmestuck: John is not a homosexual, period.

50. Castle Fandom: Don't worry, I'd get you out.

51. Fullmetal Alchemist Fandom: Stop drawing transmutation circles on the floors in chalk. You are not alchemists.

52. Minecraft Fandom: Please refrain from digging up the dirt in the courtyard. It's starting to irritate the guards.

53. Fringe Fandom: Wait, where the fuck is the Fringe fandom? (Meanwhile, Fringe fans are chilling in another universe in an alternate timeline, rewatching season 12384132746946 of Fringe.)

54. Hoot Owls: Please don't eat all of our ice cream sandwiches supply in one night, you can't go to Walmart at 2 in the morning to buy more.

55. Assassin's Creed: Quit climbing shit, the guards will think you're trying to escape and shoot you down.

56. Directioners: Stop laughing at everything and stop shipping everyone.

57. Beliebers: If a Belieber gets in prison, he/she will immediately be executed.

58. Tangled: Stop stealing all the frying pans.

59. Star Wars fandom: We got it. We let the wookie win. Now stop waving your hands about. Your Jedi mind-tricks have no power here.

60. Star Trek fandom: It's worse than that it's physics, Jim. Just because that guard's name is Scotty, does not mean he will "beam you up." No....don't ask him...oh.....

61. Leverage Fandom: Please refrain from stealing from the guards, also please don't punch them, hack into the security system, or try to con guards into letting you out... Evil plotting isn't appreciated either. Also, when we say this prison is breakout proof, it IS breakout proof. Don't try to prove yourselves.

62. Torchwood fandom: His name is Jack. We understand. But he doesn't appreciate you shipping him with everything. He's not immortal and he's never been pregnant.

63. Misfits Fandom: Stop trying to hit the prison guards on the head with paint cans. They did not gain super strength and murderous intentions after being hit by lightning in a mysterious storm, and they are not out to get you. You won't be allowed in the arts and crafts room if this continues.

64. Portal fandom: Stop knocking down the security cameras. She is not watching you and you are only ruining expensive equipment.

65. The Creature Fandom: No you cannot take 'Sp00n' with you. It is just a spoon. Sp00n is a horse. Get it right.

66. Disney fandom: Your hair will never look like that, so quit trying. Not even if you style it with a fork. Also, we know it's hard, but please try to refrain from bursting into spontaneous song while we're trying to sleep. Not every time is time for a sing-a-long.

67. Jak and Daxter Fandom: Yes, you're in prison. No, you're not being experimented on in an attempt to create super soldiers. Even if you were, only the Mar line could survive anyway. Stop screaming bloody murder in your cells; it's scaring the other inmates and the guards.

68. Big Bang Theory fandom: You cannot procreate by eating too much Thai food, so stop making so damn much of it. You have no research capital, so you cannot be Batman. Furthermore, bazinga.

69. Dexter Fandom: No plastic wrap or sheeting allowed.

70. Bones Fandom: You may only talk between one another, as other inmates do not understand your constant scientific words or your social awkwardness.

71. Les Miserables: No, you cannot build a barricade against the other fandoms.

72. No.6 Fandom: You may befriend the rats that run around the cells, but don't try to turn them against other people, because they're probably scared of rats.

73. Tower Junkies: Please stop drawing doors on the ground in the Courtyard. You don't have the key.

74. Ao no Exorcist: Don't go telling people you're life story by showing them poorly drawn storyboards through the bars.

75. Starkid fandom: We're NEVER going to text you back. Now you dragged us into this?!

76. Inception fandom: Stop trying to kill us. We won't all wake up out of jail. We swear if someone had designed this prison, they'd have made it cleaner.

77. Darren Shan: You are not Vampires of Vampaeze stop fighting in the cafeteria and I assure you no one is going to pretend to be assaulted so that you can escape through the roof.

78. Discworld fandom: Lying around with I ATEN'T DEAD on a card is creepy. Your luggage isn't coming to bust you out and calling the guard we can't determine the species of Nobby is just pissing him off.

79. Once Upon a Time fandom: That book is just a book of fairy-tales you stole from the library, not proof that we're all fairy-tale characters. Also, stop trying to make contracts with the rest of the inmates. Not one of them will give you their first-born.

80. Merlin Fandom: Singing 'You Are The Voice' is forbidden from 10pm onwards. And stop trying to sneak out by hiding behind pillars and in adjacent hallways, our guards aren't that stupid.

81. Tsubasa Chronicles Fandom:Playing with feathers while outside is fine, but please refrain from brining them inside they're making a mess.

82. Kuroshitsuji/ Black Butler Fandom:You are not 'One Hell Of A Butler', you really are just a pedophile. Also stop stealing the forks and using them as weaponry.

84. Narnia fandom: That's not a wardrobe. It's a supply cabinet. Stop jumping out and yelling "For Narnia!" It's not clever.

85. Game of Thrones fandom: We know Winter is coming. It comes every year. Stop telling us. Also, stop huddling with the Whedonites, you can like us; Martin can't kill us in here.

86. LOTR fandom: That is someone's wedding ring. Not your precious.

87. NCIS Fandom: NO head-slapping other fandoms

88. Young Justice Fandom: Please use words we understand, we do not know what " Aster", "Whelmed", or " Traught" means. We are tired of guessing what you are trying to say.

89. Inherifamily: Please stop stealing the spoons and complimenting the guards' nails. It's creeping them out. Also, we have no idea why we're going to Vroengard so stop asking.

90. Mistborn Fandom: Stop eating the metal flakes, those are going to kill you. And please stop trying to make your creepy tassel cloaks from the ropes, we need those in the workshops.

91. Percy Jackson Fandom: Don't try to stab other inmates with a pen!

92. Smosh Fandom: There are no food battles in the cafeteria. Stop reading Ianthony fanfics. And stop taking all the pink frosted sprinkled donuts.

93. Single Cat Ladies of Tumblr: limit to 3 cats each, we don't have enough room for all 34 of your cats.

94. Divergent Fandom: For the last time, put DOWN the butterknives!

95. Teen Wolf Fandom: No biting the other Inmates. They do not want to be part of your pack.

96. Potterheads: The guards are not dementors. Stop trying to cast patronuses.

97. True Blood fandom: We're trying valiantly to understand your obsession with Alexander Skarsgard. Don't bite us.

98. Nerdfighters: We don't wish to be in your pants, no matter how funny that is to add to things. However, we promise to tell you DFTBA, if you promise to tell us the same.

99. Yogscast Fandom: No amount of diggy diggy will ever get you out.

100. Cabin Pressure Fandom: Calling everything brilliant all the time is getting on everyone's nerves, and please stop trying to steal the whiskey.

101.Sanctuary fandom: Not everyone is part of a government agency working to take down the Network.

102. Mass Effect fandom: Please stop 'calibrating'. You cannot be 'in the middle of some calibrations' every time someone tries to talk to you. And no, it cannot wait.

103. How I Met Your Mother fandom: Only 67 more seasons to go before you find out who the mother is. And stop requesting the highest of fives from the prison guards.

104. Zelda Fandom: No, you are not in the desert. You don't have a longshot, so quit trying to find an open window to escape out of.

105. Primeval Fandom: NO GUNS allowed, no matter how many times there's a dinosaur on the loose and you have to save the world. Also, take it easy on the sarcasm: And PLEASE stop keeping your radios on 87.6FM, it's getting annoying!

106. Shakespeare fandom: Stop trying to create a pile of dead bodies everywhere. Making everyone kill each other is not allowed. Homoeroticism is fine.

107. 39 Clues Fandom: No, you cannot get out of jail for good behavior by creating a bogus charity. And, for the love of God, stop singing "We Are Family" at 3am!

107. Psych Fandom: There is no need to bring your finger to your head everytime you have an idea for an escape route. Please stop asking the guards if they are fans of delicious flavor. Do not shout "SBPD!" while pretending to kick down the door from 10p.m. to 9 a.m. And please stop trying to kill the Mentalist fandom with pineapples.

108. The Mortal Instruments Fandom: The guard's tatoos are not runes, and he is not a shadowhunter. Also, please stop trying to give alliance runes to the twilight fandom.

109. The Infernal Devices Fandom: No, that stray cat outside is NOT Church, and you shouldn't be fighting with the Mortal Instruments fandom, even if you're trying to find out who's related to who. And it's perfectly acceptable for men and women to be in the same prison. This isn't Victorian era, sherlock.

110. Facade Fandom: Don't ask people to leave if they mention melons.

111. Death Note Fandom: You are not a genius nor are you a detective. Stop sitting like that and taking all the sweets.

112. Gundam Wing Fandom: For the love of god, stop tearing up people's paper and promising to kill anyone wearing pink. Please be mindful that the math textbooks do NOT need to be corrected to reflect "proper pairings." Also "Shinigami lives!" should not be shouted more than once a day.

113. Gargoyles Fandom: Stop shouting JALAPENO! every time they serve jalapenos in the cafeteria. The staff are discussing removing them completely and most of us rather like them.

114. Dresden Files Fandom: Shouts of "POLKA WILL NEVER DIE!" are banned after 11PM unless it is the night before Oktoberfest and/or you possess a resurrected T-rex.

115. 9-Tards: Your rag-dolls will not come to life no matter how hard you try. Also, stop getting ink all over the uniforms, you're not 6.

116. Alan Wake Fandom: For the love of Christ, we are not giving you any more batteries, and stop it with the narrating. We get it, you want to be like Stephen King, but you don't need to narrate every little thing you do. We can see you doing it.

117. Uncharted Fandom: No, you can not scale that wall and hop to the other successfully. Your arms are essentially made out of putty and we live in a world where physics don't get fucked.

118. Mystery Science Theater 3000 Fandom: We get it, you're funny and can make references to shit we've never heard of, that doesn't mean you mock the guards.

119. Foster Kids Fandom: Stop worshiping the mangoes in the prison kitchen they are not holy.

120. Victims: Please refrain from throwing gift baskets at the other inmates.

121. Hetalia fandom: you are not allowed to take over prison cells and claim your cell to be independent unless you form an alliance with ALL the fandoms to do so.

122. MCR Fandom: Don't be an asshole to the new prisoners just because you've been there longer. Some new prisoners actually have brains.

123. Pokemon fandom: Our cells are not pokeballs. You can't summon other fandoms to duel.

124. REBORN! Fandom: Just because the guards carry night-sticks stop asking them to bite you to death. That's not even a practical way to ask to be killed.

125. Dragon Age Fandom: This is not the Circle of Magi, this is prison. Escaping does not make you an "apostate," it makes you a fugitive, and will result in solitary confinement upon recapture. Also, please stop drawing red lines across your faces with permanent marker. You are not the Champion of Kirkwall and it just looks silly when it starts to fade.

126. Yu-Gi-Oh Fandom: You can only preach about the heart of the cards on Saturday.

date of origin: 25th of january, 2012.

#oh hey !#dresden files #is in here!!#CACKLES #POLKA W I L L NEVER DIE

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awed-frog · 8 years ago

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Hi! I've just gotten back into the fandom after a few years break. I've watched SPN since it aired in 2005, but I've left four times, each time for at least a year, because I keep feeling like we're being queerbaited w/Destiel and it really upsets me. In short, I feel like investing so much time, and so many emotions, into this pairing is a waste of time because it will only leave me disappointed in the end. So my question for you is, what keeps you positive enough about this pairing to stay?

Hey, sorry for getting back to you so late. I wrote and erased several answers to this, because, I don’t know, on some days I was trying to be clever and go all meta-stuff but it always sounded pretentious and stupid, and then on other days I felt dramatic and angry and got all upset and it would generally read as too much or not nearly enough, so. And today I really think I left this unanswered for way too long and that if you asked me, then you wanted my opinion on the matter and this is what I should be trying to do - just to say what i think, without too many frills.

So, first of all - I’m a weird person, and sometimes I get too worked up about stuff, and I obsess a lot, and thank God I’ve got people in my life who keep me grounded and remind me about what really matters. And the truth is, Supernatural doesn’t. It’s a good show, and we all love it, and sure, like all popular works of fiction it probably changed someone’s mind and had an impact on someone’s life, but at the end of the day, you come first. As I said, I had periods in my life where I was putting too much energy on the wrong things, and a TV show is definitely the wrong thing, especially if it leaves you frustrated and upset and angry. I say this with a lot of respect, because I know we all love Supernatural and everything, but let’s be honest - it’s a TV show. It’s not real. If it makes you cry for the wrong reasons, get away from it and good riddance. What truly matters in this life is to find a way to love yourself and to be there for other people - to be kind, and to be strong, and to maybe make our world a little better. So if a story helps you do that, embrace it; and if it doesn’t, let it go. It’s just a story.

For me, personally, I had a very emotional time with Destiel (you can read about it here), because I felt cheated and let down and pretty much what you describe - I knew I’d invested so much of myself in the show, and that they’d let me down for stupid reasons. And it was really bleak for a while, so I get where you’re coming from. Back in S9, I spent many days feeling listless and depressed, and quite a few nights ranting and raging and even crying about it, and when I snapped out of it I realized that sure, they were being cunts and cheaters but there was something wrong with me, as well - because, as I just told you, it’s just a show, and it shouldn’t have dominated my feelings in such a way. So I tried to be objective and rational and I thought about it and I realized it was a bunch of things - I was stressed in school, and my grandparents were sick - all I’d wanted was to take a big step back from reality and as a result I’d fallen too deep into the show and that’s why when it let me down, it really felt like a physical blow. And since not getting lost in fiction, my own or other people’s, is not an option for me, I’m learning to deal with real life stuff better so I can tell apart what really matters from what doesn’t. I know I’ve made some progress there because I was really invested in Sherlock and Johnlock, and yet after the series finale I was - normal. I was upset and angry, of course, because it sucked balls, but it didn’t ruin my whole week or anything. My general mood was more a sort of, It’s not real and I can’t change it, so fuck them.

(I think this is what happens with everything, by the way - most sport fans get so invested in their teams because it’s a sort of victory by proxy and it compensates for those things that are wrong in their lives. So, really - I don’t know you, and I don’t want to tell anyone how they should live their lives, but if this kind of ‘external’ things such as TV shows and movies make you so unhappy, my advice is to get to know yourself and understand why you feel that way. If there is something in your own life you’re not dealing with, the best thing is really to try and be brave and go at it head-on, because life is unfair and bad feelings and bad situations - that’s not something that goes away on its own. And it’s your life - you deserve to live it fully.)

So now - now there are shows I watch because I think they’re objectively outstanding, like Westworld, and there are shows I watch as a guilty pleasure and I’m mostly rolling my eyes at the screen but who knows, maybe it’s healthy to cry once a week so whatever (yeah, I’m a Grey’s Anatomy aficionado), and then there’s Supernatural, which is neither. I guess the reason I keep watching is because most of it is well-written, even if I dislike the fact they clearly have no idea as to where they’re going and what the whole thing even means, and I keep watching because I love the characters, and I keep watching because I met a lot of nice people in the fandom and writing about the show is helping me to get better as a writer (I think). The truth is, I’m an unusual Destiel shipper (if there’s such thing as a regular Destiel shipper, that is), because I’m not that interested in romance and even representation - well, it’s very important and stories should be more inclusive, but a good story can work even without being PC, in my opinion (take Reservoir Dogs, for instance). So what I resent the most in this situation is that they got me to care - they clearly wrote the story one way - and then they made me feel like there was something wrong with me for seeing what I was seeing. This is textbook abusive behaviour, and the fact it was targeted directly at the gay community (because, on the whole, they’re more likely to pick up on subtextual clues about sexuality) made it even more horrifying and wrong.

That said, I don’t think there was a malicious intent there. I’m sure they knew what they were doing, because that’s their job, after all, but they all seem to be pretty decent people, so it’s not clear if they did not realize how significant a love story between Dean and Cas would be, or how attentive their own fandom was - I simply don’t know. Maybe they were going for some old-fashioned ‘alas, that it shall never be’ nonsense - back in the day, it happened very often that you were left with the feeling of things unsaid and you never knew if you were right or not, and also you mostly forgot about it because real-time fangirling over stuff wasn’t a thing. In a way, that’s also what happened with Sherlock, which became a worldwide phenomenon because of the fandom, something Moffat and Gatiss acknowledged without never realizing, apparently, the full implications of.

I think that, to an extent, we’ve always lived in a world of lies and deceit, and that’s just human nature; but as far as I can tell, the spreading of capitalism and consumer culture, on the one hand, and that of democratic societies, on the other, elevated the importance of honesty to a whole other plane. Corporations lie to us as a matter of fact - all advertisement is a lie, after all - and politicians also mostly lie, both to us and to themselves. This was always bound to have disastrous consequences, which we are now starting to witness. For this reason, mostly, I think it’s more important than ever that artists are honest about the stories they tell - they can talk about anything, of course, and decide which kind of story they want to create, but they should stay true to it. I sometimes feel that, like other important concepts, such as freedom of expression, the idea that a story is its reader’s, and not its creator’s, is sometimes perverted beyond recognition. To say that the story belongs to its readers means that we all come to the story with our own experiences, and that we all get from it what we choose to get, to some extent; this is, perhaps, some form of cognitive bias (we see the world as we are, and not as it is: that sort of thing), and a good writer will create a story that is deep enough all of us can recognize ourselves in a part of it. But some modern creators, like current politicians, intend the concept in a very different way. Their method is to deliberately appeal to everyone in order to get money or votes, and they forget, or pretend to ignore, that in so doing they are bound to deceive a significant part of those who believed in them. Just as the centrism in politics is an illusion, a story which tries to make everyone happy is plain dishonest. When push comes to shove, Dean and Cas are either in love or they aren’t, and it’s not my job as a viewer to guess what they really feel - it’s the show’s creators job to tell me.

So, you know - you ask how I stay positive enough to keep watching the show - it sounds weird, since I write metas every week and I write Destiel fanfiction and everything, but personally, I’m trying not to think about Destiel at all. For me, it is real, in the sense that I still see it in the story, but I think that for a variety of reasons, there will be no steady love stories on Supernatural until the very last season. My hope is that, since a convincing gay story is harder to write than a straight one (because, apparently, many people are still unaware of the fact gay people are a thing at all), the Destiel subtext will get stronger quite soon(ish) if Destiel is indeed endgame. I mean, you see it very clearly from that whole Saileen business - in Sam’s case, two episodes are plenty enough to build a believable love story and make us root for Sam and Eileen and daydream about their darling little house and their fluffy future dogs, but, again, when it comes to gay couples - even if Dean and Cas do get together in the very last episode or something, you need to build that up quite openly and not too late, or it will feel forced to a casual viewer. As I said, I try not to think too much about it because there are a lot of ifs, but - if Supernatural has an end date in sight, if this is a coming of age narrative and not a tragedy, if nothing messy happens IRL - then I think that yes, we still have a chance for Destiel to happen textually. That dreadful Sherlock ending, after all, and mostly the outraged and angry response from both critics and the fandom, should serve as a warning to Dabb and his team: planning to go big and then not going big doesn’t endear you to anyone, because people’s hearts are wild, unpredictable, irrational and beautiful things, and even Hotelling’s law has its limits.

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