#and it’s funny bc dick himself is a terrible role model for all these things
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starlooove · 2 years ago
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I think Dick Duke and Damian would be a hilarious trio
#them as a trio would be so funny#bc ppl UNDERSTAND why Dick has to wrestle to control Damian#they get why he has to coo at him that murder is not a proper punishment for a thief but he’s glad that he’s not suggesting torture now#they don’t get why he has tell Duke that maybe he should go down a few more stories before jumping off that skyscraper ok?#hey signal maaaaybe we should shoot the grapple before we jump? or at least before we’re seconds from hitting the ground? thanks.#and it’s funny bc dick himself is a terrible role model for all these things#do as I say not as a I do headass#and I fully believe Duke goads him into doing more stupid shit#it didn’t work when Jason did it bc alll that history…#and it doesn’t work with Damian bc dick will forever see him as 12 smh my head#duke tho? absolutely 100% let’s his responsibilities drop around Duke#they can just have FUN together yknow?#like Duke is part of his family and he cares Abt him but he’s also not privy to all the unspoken things in Wayne manor#and he doesn’t care to be#that’s how the entire family honestly feels about Duke#they can let their pasts go and just be themselves around him#bc he WILL judge heavily#but he also looks at them NOW and knows they’re better than they used to be#that they’re trying#and that’s enough for him#not on some therapist Duke type shit btw don’t bring that shit here#something something dukes powers almost being a literal extension of himself and the way he sees people for what they can be despite who#they have been. there’s a fic Abt that I just remembered I need to go reread it now#anyways yeah Duke is everyone’s favorite but especially dick and Damian’s and they get up to all sorts of fuckshit together#oh but this can go even further actually bc part of Dukes hope for his parents IS the future but he’s also tied down by the past bc he knows#with each passing day week month they get more and more different and things will never be the same and he’s tied to the past in a way he’s#never been before and he’s not used to it. Duke has ALWAYS been about what he can do for tomorrow how he can change now if he doesn’t like#it.#he’s stuck in the past and he doesn’t know how to get out because it’s NEVER been like this before#I think Jason would help a lot here. my Duke is to Jason what Damian is to dick agenda
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healer-blissey · 6 years ago
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since the remaster theory was basically debunked, here’s some things from the original that should be changed if one ever comes out:
all characters introduced post-madarame should have their social links reworked. every single one of them. makoto and haru’s especially bc makoto’s sl doesn’t even revolve around her growing as a person. that whole ‘im not just gonna do what adults tell me to do’ shit is complete bs bc she still does Just That. haru’s confidant is all over the place and weirdly rushed and flip-flops between ‘you should trust people!!’ and ‘not everyone is trustworthy.’
take out all older woman/mc romances. it’s gross, weird, and completely destroys the characterization of everyone involved, especially ohya and kawakami, who are shown to be good people despite being pedos if you take the romantic route somehow 🙃
take out the homophobic caricatures of gay men in shinjuku. its not funny and this game came out 2017 for fucks sake
similarly, give us a gay and female option. women like to play videogames, shockingly enough, and gay people. Exist.
a p4 situation should’ve been what happened for valentines day if you cheated on your gfs so it drives home the point that cheating is wrong and hurts people, despite what others may think
ryuji in terms of him outside his confidant needs to be completely reworked. his characterization during and post-kamoshida are two drastically different people. he went from someone who didn’t give a shit abt other’s appearances and genuinely being a good person to a superficial perv jackass
in general the plot needs a shit ton of refinement:
the nude modelling sub-plot and yusuke’s creepy behavior needs to be completely removed to avoid him coming off as a piece of shit right out of the gate.
makoto’s entire character needs to be reworked or replaced with hifumi bc a school president who doesn’t change at all with the exception of telling kobayakawa to fuck off (and ONLY him, bc after he dies she goes back to being straight-laced and a COP) is not a rebel. she’s what a failed naoto looks like
haru needs more characterization aside from sweet girl. we need to see more of her vicious and cruel side, which has been hinted at, but never fully explored. could be seen in relation to akechi killing her father, which for whatever reason is pushed aside to redeem him despite him not deserving it in the slightest
akechi should not have been redeemed. Full stop. he caused irreversible mental shutdowns, killed wakaba and okumura, and ruined the lives of both futaba and ohya, giving the latter life-long mental issues. i don’t give a shit if he had an absent father, it doesn’t excuse the fact that he willingly went over to shido’s side without any prompting. he was not manipulated or threatened, he even states himself his reason for hating him is that he was an absentee father. this honestly makes his actions worse in hindsight, bc he did this all for the purpose of getting back at him in such a miniscule and utterly insignificant way without giving a shit abt the people he destroyed in the process. akechi did not deserve redemption in any form, and was not a tragic villain - just a stupid one
the conflict between morgana and ryuji is also completely ridiculous, bc morgana is the aggressor for more than half of the situations presented, and ryuji only suddenly becomes a dick for the sake of this conflict despite only responding to morgana’s below-the-belt jabs in the past prior. not to mention his main reason for getting upset is because ryuji compliments futaba for her superior navigation skills...... which is true, bc futaba persona is a fucking navigator. morgana is meant to be a fighter and only took up a navi role bc no one else could, why the hell would he be better than futaba. honestly morgana was such an unlikeable character, i was actually glad he “died” near the end. says a lot abt the writing of the game if i end up hating a cat :/
Btw shido is also a terrible villain bc of how they shoehorned a puppetmaster trope into his character despite not really needing one. he didn’t need to have a connection to madarame or kaneshiro, everything else was good enough. he’s just so underwhelming as a villain :/
give lasting consequences to the characters? P4 and p3 did this way better, with all character deaths (sans morooka) having lasting effects on the characters and even serving as their primary motivations for some, and in p3’s case answering the primary question posed throughout the game (what is the meaning of death?) with the protagonist’s death, as he found the answer and found meaning in his fleeting life through death. when p5 ends, nothing really changes with the status quo, it’s all wordy bullshit that’s never shown to the viewers and only stated through observations by other characters. not a good thing for such an environmentally driven game
there needs to be more team interactions in non-serious settings. just let them be kids, please. not just for me, but bc we don’t really get to see them acting as a family, their strong bond is something that feels out-of-place and unnatural. this is especially true for haru, bc we are introduced to the interesting concept or her not trusting the pthieves at first. have her watch from the sidelines before eventually deciding that they’re good or whatever and formally become a pt in a cool way. Not just ‘now that morgana likes you i like you :)’
for the love of god, don’t romance-code the strength confidant. i shouldn’t need to explain this
also some more bits that are less pressing and more me just nitpicking:
haru’s voice. her japanese va sounds nothing like her english one, and you would be forgiven for thinking she’s 12 with that voice. an entire layer of her character is removed with her cutesy uwu voice bc her regal appearance and demeanor was meant to contrast her vicious attitude and fighting style. get smoked kid also needs to have a va change - kid sounds like he’s a 65 yr-old granny
morgana does not make a good magician, bc all he ever guides us with is in the tutorial, then he becomes the ‘idk what tf is going on either lmao’ guy. yosuke’s role as a guide in p4 was through emotional means, and serving as the connection between city and country life to the protagonist. he is literally your partner. junpei is your guide to living life to the fullest without being tied down to your past - something vital in such a depressing game like p3, with characters whose pasts define their presents with a very much No Fun Allowed attitude.
the fortune confidant being a fortune teller is just... lazy :/ really?
that’s p much it but there’s a lot more to improve that i just didnt mention bc. This post is long enough already :|
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