#and intersex people can be tme/tma because we are still assigned a gender at birth and that assignment still affects us in ways related to

[dreamyintersexouppy]

idk my gender as intersex person is definitely complicated but it's not just a stand in for layers of transness. i think if when i felt like a boy someone called me an MTFTM id punch them in the jaw cuz that's so unbelievably reductive and cruel. i don't need to steal labels from trans people and contort them without respect to their original context just to describe how being intersex affects my identity. in fact i think it would be good if there was actual intersex theory cuz my real issues aren't whose trauma am i co-opting so i can have a pretty word in my bio, my real issue is my chronicly painful periods, how damaged my immune system has gotten because of the surgery i got at birth still affecting me, finding doctors who can even begin to try and help me instead of just shrugging and telling me to suffer, no word stolen from transfeminist theorists can help me with that and no tme intersex person has ever helped me with it either when they're using themselves as a rhetorical prop to utterly erase me from the conversation as an intersex transfem

[bilateralgyneandromorphic]

really fascinating developments in the perisex world where there’s been this response to intersex people disliking TME/TME terminology, supporting the concept transandrophobia/anti-transmasculinity, etc that has somehow led a lot of perisex trans people to decide they’re allowed to be overtly intersexist in fun new ways. it used to be that a lot of trans people held an excessively reverent tone towards intersex people and this was oddly fetishistic in its own right, but the point is that queer people who knew about intersex people, knew intersex people are oppressed by perisex people.

this doesn’t seem to be the case anymore. it seems to me that some people genuinely believe intersex trans people actually have special intersex privileges that allow them to wield a new oppressive power over trans people, especially transfems, because it has seemingly been decided that the only type of trans that intersex people can be is transmasculine. there are no TMA intersex people when discussing transmisogyny because every single intersex transfem is under immense scrutiny to prove her right to identify as transfem, and every investigation concludes that if you don’t have the beliefs they think you should have, it’s obviously because you aren’t a real transfem who would believe those things. the obvious inverse of this logic is never explored, though. intersex people cannot be transfem because [insert definition that excludes intersex people regardless of situation], but at the same time, transmasculinity of intersex people is rarely called into question by the perisex trans community, and it’s often expected. the same people who will insist that you have the wrong AGAB (transfemininity is inherently related to birth assignment and nothing else), the wrong set of parts (transfemininity requires a body that people perceive as male and nothing else), or the wrong social upbringing (transfemininity requires being forced into a male social role while also never being accepted into it). and at any given point, all of these will be contradicted. if you say you have an ambiguous or CTF intersex variation but were assigned male, suddenly it’s a question of such things as “how you are transfem and menstruate,” those are of course at odds. they will question your right to be transfem because “the transfem experience” includes not having a menstrual cycle. but if you say you were AFAB but are CTM and plan to medically transition in a pattern similar to perisex transfems, well, this is bioessentialist of you to consider as transfemininity because you clearly believe being transfem is about having a penis and nothing else. transfemininity is actually only social, and if you were AFAB, nothing about your body will be relevant. and what if you were AFAB but treated as a boy your whole life, forced into male identity even when you were actually a girl? you probably just don’t actually understand the terms. you probably just experienced a lot of misdirected transmisogyny because they thought you were transfem.

so of course, there are no intersex transfems, aside from maybe, just maybe, a select few who only found out a variation with very few physical signs later in life. in some cases, this person may be accepted as transfem. in others, their transfemininity still may be called into question.

so, people with these experiences trend towards different labels and their own communities. they identify as transfemmasc, AFAB trans women, intergender, cistrans, and the perisex community has the gall to say it’s because intersex people have actually oppressed trans people into not wanting them around anymore. it couldn’t possibly be because perisex trans people, exactly like perisex cis people, have never fully accepted intersex people into their gendered spaces. it couldn’t possibly be that we are all wary of perisex people, trans or cis, because cis people say “you’re not a real woman, you’re intersex,” only for trans people to say, “you’re not a real woman, you’re intersex.”

[sirenium]

Hello! I saw your post about TMA/TME being another binary and it being intersexist. I genuinely want to understand why you think so because the way I’ve seen it being used wasn’t meant to create another binary. It was just for people who experience transmisogyny to have a term for themselves. It’s not based on your agab or your sex. You don’t have to be (amab) transfem to be tma. Plus, in the spaces I’ve seen it being used, it’s understood that being tme/tma can change. One’s relationship to the term can be complicated. I’ve shared my point of view so if it’s okay, I’d like to understand yours.

I don't know how else to tell you this, but any framework that's essentially oppressed/not oppressed, at least in the way it can easily get used, is eventually going to char intersex people in the desire of perisex (and, let's be honest, widely white) trans people to come out on top in the oppression olympics. even if some people can actually acknowledge us for once, there are others who act like only perisex trans women can be 'TMA' and to hell with everyone else... except those who happen to be 'AMAB'. I've actually seen an intersex person in favor of it admit that it's completely based on what you were born as.

'"...maybe intersex people who were assigned female can be tma" literally NO THEY CAN'T the whole thing about transmisogyny is that it's based around your assigned gender'

that is the direct quote. do you see how this gets intersexist? intersex people assigned female at birth can be affected by transmisogyny, but some people don't want to think so because then their viewpoints explode. you say someone's experiences with TME/TMA can be complicated but I've seen more than enough people water it down to 'AMAB only', so whether or not it was not intended that way in its creation, it is still at risk to be used as a weapon to try to push everyone into gendered and often sex based boxes which, say it with me, hurts intersex people. it happens too much to just be coincidental.

if you want to listen to more intersex people about this, I suggest looking at this post (link) as well as this one (link). I'm tired of perisex trans people acting like us saying anything is such a fucking affront to them (/nay); they cover up their intersexism with cries that the person calling them out on it is simply 'transmisogynistic' and I'm tired of it. We're never listened to and used as a talking point when it suits perisex trans people if ANYTHING, and when we dare have a back bone about blatant intersexism in the trans community, perisex trans people lose their minds because we dared not stay in the shadows while letting the perisex people rule the conversation.