#and definitely something sidious was often pissed about

[legobiwan]

You've often talked on how you think Qui Gon had survived he would have loved Dooku. So what if he had done that and left the Order with him still leaving Obi Wan to train Anakin. How would this change Obi Wan and Anakin's views on him and themselves? What would Jinn and Dooku's relationship be like? How would this change the make up of the CIS, the Republic and the Order? How would stuff with Maul, Ventress and Mandalore be like (especially if you dig the theory Jinn influenced a young Satine

woooooaaaaaahhhhh anon

That’s a meaty question. I love it.

Okay, so let’s break this down a little bit.

1) If Qui-gon had survived, he would have struggled with Dooku’s decisions and ultimately, may have joined him.

This is all very contingent on when Qui-gon gets in touch with his old master, but I think, in the end, Qui-gon would have at least wanted to have a conversation with Dooku about why he left the Order in the first place. (Remember, Qui-gon couldn’t get a hold of him in Master and Apprentice and Rael only did after Qui-gon left. And Qui-gon, up until TPM and his death, seemed to have no idea Dooku had turned dark so I’m something happened to Rael in the meantime. Meaning Qui-gon is totally in the dark. 

The thing is - we see Qui-gon struggle with the Council, with the Republic, and we also see him struggle with this idea that he (and he alone) is the only one who can initiate Change, that the Force is speaking to him and through him. There’s a fair amount of exceptionalism going on with Qui-gon along with some very real arguments against the Republic and the Council. Given those dynamics, and the evidence of the return of the Sith, I believe that Qui-gon would have at least heard Dooku out. And let’s not forget, Qui-gon aided and abetted his Master’s less-than-sanctioned actions on more than one occasion, and his sometimes slippery morality (I think Qui-gon always aimed for the light, but his methods definitely flirted with, at the very least, some intense rule-breaking) could be manipulated, especially in connection to his beloved Master. (And they did have a good relationship, in a lot of ways far more solid and Obi-wan and Qui-gon.)

2) If Qui-gon did ultimately leave the Order, how would that have affected Obi-wan and Anakin?

Obi-wan would be *pissed.* I mean, here Qui-gon all but throws out Obi-wan’s Padawanship for Anakin and then he leaves the Order? I can’t even imagine, I just feel awful for Obi-wan in this situation. Let’s assume, for the sake of this question, that the confrontation with Maul was enough to get Obi-wan Knighted so that’s not an issue anymore. And let’s also assume that once again, upon leaving the Order, Qui-gon extracts yet another promise from Obi-wan that he train Anakin in his stead. 

Gods, I would be so angry if I were Obi-wan. But knowing him, he would probably try and soften the blow as much as possible for Anakin, knowing Anakin sees Qui-gon as a savior figure. Obi-wan might present things from “a certain point of view,” that Qui-gon was on an extended mission, or that he was needed for something else. Or that he had too many disagreements with the Jedi and ultimately needed to find his own path, as Obi-wan might use this instance to illustrate how the Jedi are “not jailers.” Of course, this has the capacity to backfire wildly in terms of Anakin’s psyche, which even canon was not always completely screwed in, so I could see Obi-wan and Anakin’s relationship being even more tumultuous than it was. When Qui-gon died, there wasn’t a choice. But Qui-gon leaving them, of his own volition - well, Anakin has no idea what to do about that. (And Obi-wan, well, he’s probably also in a worse place for the reason, and likely more susceptible to darker influences.)

3) What would the relationship between Qui-gon and Dooku be like?

Antagonistic, eventually. At least, I think. Qui-gon doesn’t want to turn to the dark, even if he agrees with Dooku’s politics and other reasoning. But he can’t bring himself to go back to the Jedi, either, both because of guilt and because he thinks they’re wrong. So Qui-gon is kind of stuck with his decision, half-in and half-out, and this created tension with Dooku, who has always had fewer hangups about the Dark Side. But they do work well together, when are systems are running - too well and that’s the part of the machine, when oiled, that is terrifying for its enemies. 

4) Would this change the makeup of the CIS, Republic, and Order?

Probably not all that much. I can’t see Qui-gon going in for politics the way Dooku does, and a single Jedi Master following his teacher in rebellion is unlikely to be much of a concern to the Republic, outside of certain interests like Padmé or Bail. The Order would be shaken, although not 100% surprised by Qui-gon’s actions. But they may put a stricter lockdown on certain things to ensure no one else defects, which would probably backfire on them. 

5) How would this affect Maul, Ventress, and Mandalore/Satine?

Ahhh, now this is interesting. Maul, we can assume, met the same fate as he did in canon, so let’s say he still has it out for Obi-wan. In this instance, I can see Qui-gon getting wind of Raydonia and having an apoplectic fit, taking care of Maul himself in, uh, not-nice fashion to protect his former student. Of course, Obi-wan would probably walk in at the exact wrong time and make the wrong (okay, not totally wrong, as Qui-gon is walking the line between light and dark) assumptions and that would lead to a Confrontation. This, obviously, has repercussions for Mandalore, which I’ll get to in a moment. 

Ventress would likely have much more of a backseat role, or at least, a similar role with less perceived importance. Seeing as Qui-gon is not the assassin type, Dooku needs a sharp blade to wield, so Ventress definitely comes in handy, but no longer is she an apprentice, at least not in name. But also, can you imagine her and Qui-gon together? Talk about a weird duo. They probably mix like coronavirus and less than 6 feet of social distancing, as in, not at all. Ventress would be very envious of Qui-gon and that could lead to Problems home.

Now, Mandalore without Maul to deal with. Interesting. And I hadn’t come across the theory that Qui-gon influenced Satine in any way during that initial mission, so that’s something to ponder. But if Qui-gon leaves the Order, is seen aligning with the CIS, at least nominally, well, he’d be the enemy. And the CIS has ties to Deathwatch, at least for a while. I think Satine would be pissed at Qui-gon for going back on his ideals, not to mention for his betrayal of Obi-wan. But Maul’s demise might mean Satine’s government has a fighting chance against Deathwatch, that is, until Qui-gon and Dooku make an appearance on Mandalore and Qui-gon is set up to be the negotiator given his past knowledge and history with Satine. Which would be a fascinating and distinctly Uncomfortable conversation, the main ideas of which would be relayed to Obi-wan and provide him with even more angst and reason to go off on his own crusade to take some form of retribution against his former master. 

My personal question is - how is Sidious dealing with all of this? He probably wants Qui-gon dead, but that would pit Dooku directly against him and he can’t have that - not yet. So it’s a matter of getting to Anakin with an increasingly unstable Obi-wan at his side and I feel like this universe would be just as tragic but perhaps fall apart quicker than canon because everyone seems to be unhinged. Although, I have to admit, Dooku would likely be pleased as punch to have his student at his side, no matter their disagreements. 

[jbk405]

The worst retcons in Star Wars

While I’m riding high on the finale to Star Wars: The Clone Wars (No I am not crying....I cried it all out last night) I have decided to compile a list of the worst retcons to the Star Wars franchise.

Why?  I dunno, I’m a crotchety old nerd who likes to complain about decades-old stories.  Do I need another reason?

In no particular order:

Making Emperor Palpatine a Sith

It’s been 21 years since The Phantom Menace came out, so for an entire generation of nerds he’s always been “Darth Sidious”, but we old-timers remember that for the 22 years before that there was no connection between the Emperor and the Sith.  The term “Sith” itself was present from the earliest iterations of the first film and was used in some promotional materials and tie-ins and toys, but it was solely connected to Darth Vader as a Dark Lord of the Sith.  The Expanded Universe built a specific philosophy and history around the Sith as a concept, not just as a catch-all term for darksider, and that history explicitly didn’t include the Emperor.  There was even hate and schism between the Sith and some other Dark Side philosophies, and even those who didn’t use the Force at all.  In The Truce at Bakura, an EU novel that began the day after Return of the Jedi, an Imperial governor initially dismisses the Rebels’ claims that the Emperor is dead as propaganda until they say that Vader is the one who killed him.  That he believes, and even says how foolish it was for the Emperor to have trusted a Sith.

Even without going into what Dark Side philosophy the Emperor did follow, having Vader as a Sith and the Emperor not helped flesh out the universe by showing that even amongst the totalitarian despots there were different factions.  Just like Hitler and Mussolini each had their own brands of Fascism, they can work together while still being distinct.

Introducing the concept of the Chosen One

People often forget that Darth Vader wasn’t the main antagonist of the original Star Wars film, Grand Moff Tarkin was.  Vader filled the role described as “The Dragon”, the enforcer and primary legman, and the threat they had to bypass so that they could destroy the real threat.  He was a lackey.  A cool lackey absolutely, who grew into the primary antagonist in The Empire Strikes Back, but still a lackey.  And despite how cool and badass he is (And don’t get me wrong, he is a fantastic character and one of the best villains in history) there’s nothing “special” about him within the context of the Jedi and Force users in general.  He does not have any significant advantage over Obi-Wan Kenobi in their duel and is obviously completely unprepared for Kenobi to become One with the Force at his loss (And it is debatable if he even “won” at all given Kenobi’s deliberate self-sacrifice).  When he and Luke duel in ESB he definitely has the upper hand throughout their entire fight, but only as somebody with more experience and training, not because he is Magically Superior.  By the time of ROTJ Luke has even surpassed him despite only three years of experience.

In the Original Trilogy Vader is portrayed as a dangerous, powerful, and skilled opponent, but never as somebody POWERFUL.  Never as somebody whose strength or control over the Force is legendary, who is heralded in prophecy.  Yoda performs feats with the Force that Vader never comes close to equaling.

To go back and say that actually his affinity the Force is the greatest that the Jedi have ever seen, even greater than Yoda himself (BTW, I’m including the midi-chlorians under this header) makes no sense.  To say that he was the Emperor’s #2, helping run the entire Empire right from the moment of its founding, contradicts the original film itself where he was lower on the chain of command.

Darth Vader, and by proxy Anakin Skywalker, was a good enough character without trying to shill his background all to hell.

The impending threat of the Yuuzhan Vong

I’ll be upfront, I never liked the stories with the Yuuzhan Vong in and of themselves (When they started coming in is right about when I stopped reading new EU material).  The New Jedi Order just didn’t grab my attention.  But what really riled me up was the way the EU tried to backfill the Vong into the franchise history by saying that the entire rise of the Galactic Empire was to prepare for their arrival.  That Palpatine knew they were coming, and since the Republic would have been incapable of standing against them he took over so that the galaxy could present a strong, unified front against them.

This is something I actually see a lot of in fiction, and it pisses me off each time: The evil despot actually had noble goals because they knew of an even greater threat and they needed to take control in order to deal with it, because a dictatorship gets things done.  You even see this in real life when people try to say that for all Hitler’s faults you have to respect that he made Germany a powerhouse that was this close to conquering the world, and that Mussolini made the trains run on time.  Not only are these examples patently false (Nazi Germany never was “this” close to winning the war, and the trains never did run on time in Italy), but they come with the tacit endorsement that maybe their evilness would be worth it for the benefits.

The Galactic Empire explicitly wasn’t a Super Efficient Society.  We saw time and again how wasteful the Empire was with its resources as it squandered them on inefficient superweapon after superweapon, how it laid waste to planet after planet for the purposes of propaganda.  The Empire was so inefficient that it was able to be toppled by a ragtag band of rebels who had nowhere near the resources, population, wealth, or control it had.  If the Empire couldn’t even defeat the Rebellion, just how was it supposed to stand against the Vong?  And if the explanation is that the Emperor had been seduced by his own ambition and forgotten his original “noble” goals, why would other characters who knew the truth have gone along with his wanton oppression even after his death?

Trying to give the Empire a “reason” for existing was self-contradictory and borderline offensive.

Having the Clones fight for the Republic

I’m very much in two minds over this one, because as bad as the original retcon was other creators have managed to turn it into genius (Looking at you Clone Wars and The Clone Wars).  But I’m nothing if not petty, so...

The Clone Wars were one of the eras that had not been discussed in great detail in the EU before the Prequels came out, instead only being vaguely alluded to.  George Lucas was already talking about making more movies and they didn’t want to contradict what was to come.  But even with only those vague allusions, it was established that the Clones were the bad guys.  The Clonemasters were regarded monsters who unleashed hordes upon the Republic like a swarm of locusts or a plague.  The Clones themselves were often unstable, and regarded by the populace as soulless duplicates overwhelming the galaxy.  The clones were held in such fear by the populace that Mara Jade -- an Old Empire loyalist (Sort-of) -- decided to switch from passively assisting the New Republic because her boss told her to to actively assisting them at the thought of the Empire starting the Clone Wars again.

Even the name of the conflict implies that the Clones were the enemy: People don’t name a war after their own soldiers.  The Droid War, Separatist Secession, Clone & Droid Conflict, Jedi Aggression, etc. all would have made more sense for the war as depicted.

Getting into philosophy, the idea of cloning soldiers expressly for war is morally abhorrent.  It’s mass slavery.  And I am far from the first person to point this out, but that aspect is not even mentioned in the Prequel films.  The Jedi accepting this clone army is repugnant, and some people have used this to show that the Jedi Order was already corrupt at the time of the rise of the Empire, but this wasn’t explored at all in the films that introduced the clones as the Grand Army of the Republic.

Getting into just simple common sense...HOW FUCKING DENSE DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO JUST ACCEPT A MYSTERIOUS ARMY THAT APPEARED OUT OF NOWHERE?!?!

That makes no sense.  It never made sense.  The idea that nobody in the Republic, from the government to the military to the populace at large, questioned the very existence of the clone army....it was too much.  The exploration of just how ridiculous this is made for great fodder in The Clone Wars, but only because they had to paper over the GIANT GAPING CHASMS that the concept created.

Making the Jedi a cult

In the old EU, the Jedi of the Old Republic were described as allowed to have families, even being encouraged to do so.  They were allowed to pursue lives and interests and careers outside of the order itself, and didn’t need to forsake who they used to be.  The Jedi Council didn’t have legal authority over the lives of its members, and didn’t try to mandate personal lifestyle.

People started training in their teens when they were old enough to at least understand the concept, and if they were taken as children it was in unusual extraneous circumstances.

While there were Jedi customs, and Jedi Codes, and they had rules and regulations to follow, but they addressed how they should act as Jedi.  They didn’t care what kind of clothing you wore.

Starting with The Phantom Menace, Jedi were taken at such young ages to begin their training that they could not give any consent to their enlistment, nor were they offered any alternatives when they had grown up and may be able to decide for themselves.  They are indoctrinated into a singular Jedi philosophy, not allowed to even debate the dogma of the Council without ostracism, let alone actually defy it.  The Jedi Council unilaterally makes decisions for the entire Order galaxy-wide without any apparent method for dissent or appeal, or any devolution of authority.

Taking (Abducting) children as infants, not allowing them any contact with their families, mandating an isolated ascetic existence...the Jedi Order became a cult.

That’s a cult, plain and simple.

These changes didn’t make the Jedi “complex”, didn’t make the conflict “shades of grey”, they’re just creepy and nonsensical.

[sl-walker]

Ship Manifesto: Bail x Maul

I threatened it, so here it is.  Since I have to go to work and I actually got some sleep last night.

When I went and remixed Wild Space for Witness me, I suspected that those two would hit it off, just based on their personalities.  And while ten years of being a prisoner definitely took the sharp edges off of Maul and five years of being with Obi-Wan had taught him some (badly needed) interpersonal skills, more than he became even in canon TCW he’s still as inherently himself as he was when he went to Theed.  Just-- a somewhat healthier self, hard as that might sometimes be to believe when he’s in the middle of a flashback and actually displaying his damage.

BUT ANYWAY.  My guys.  My ridiculously opposite, beautiful guys.  Their first meeting had them both grinning and within two seconds bantering and within like five minutes, evoking solidarity against Obi-Wan’s bullheadedness, and then it just kept getting better.

Since this is a ship manifesto -- as in romantic ship -- I won’t spend too much time on their bromance, but I will say that whether or not you add the kissing and such, both versions of that relationship are fiercely mutual.  And now, for the why:

Bail Organa in Canon/Legends:  Genuine good guy.  In a Republic rife with corruption, Bail not only manages to navigate it effectively, gaining the esteem even of some of his enemies, but he never lets go of his morals.  He’s willing to play fast and loose with the rules, but every single time he does, it’s with his heart firmly in the right place.  Any selfishness Bail has tends to manifest itself in wistfulness, not action; he wants to go home, he wants to be with Breha, he wants to not deal with all this, he wants the children they were going to have.  Nonetheless, he stays on Coruscant.  Faithfully serving his post, his Queen, his world, his Republic.

He’s an idealist.  And an optimist.  He has a draw to support the underdog.  He has sharp edges because he’s also realistic.  He rights wrongs when he can, using his cleverness and political acumen; he can read a crowd and often win them over to at least liking him, even when they don’t agree with him.  He’s disarming and people admire him for his stand-up guy nature.  He’s also brave; he’s willing to put himself under siege on Christophsis, and when everything else in the world is crumbling, the Jedi are being slaughtered, he was the only one with the courage to go and try to see what was happening at the Temple, then turn around and try to save what Jedi he could personally.  He’ll pick up a blaster and follow Padmé into the streets.  He’ll demand to go to Zigoola, citing his right to put skin in the game as the reason to.  He’s incredibly loyal.

He’s not perfect.  He leans a bit more on the booze than healthy.  He’s got serious problems with his work/life balance; he works far too hard because Bail thinks -- unfortunately rightly, often -- that if he just lets it go, no one else will care enough or gain enough to do the work.  Bail’s service-mindedness goes well beyond healthy; it’s painfully easy for him to get into the idea that he has to fix things, especially for people he cares for, and he’ll throw himself against the wall of that and beat himself bloody if he can’t.  And while this genuine love and esteem can be a good trait, it also can become self-destructive.  He can get snappish and churlish, but usually only when he’s provoked into it (hello Obi-Wan); still, once you do get his blood up, Bail can dish it out as well as he can take it.

But really, Bail has no problem with positive regard.  There’s no evidence that the man carries any prejudices based on species or class.  He’s honorable; when he says he’s going to do something, he does his very best to do it.  He believes in honesty, even if he’s willing to lie by omission; still, his heart is always in the right place, and damned if I can find a single piece of canon or Legends evidence that his heart is anything but pure gold.

Maul in canon/Legends: Undeniably abused.  Badly.  Consistently.  Has the social skills of a rancor with a tooth ache.  Psychological minefield of paranoia and can’t trust anyone or anything, sometimes not even himself, in terms of recollection/etc.  If you want to know all about how bad Maul is messed up, you can go through his tag on my blog; there’s a lot there.  So, let’s go into the relevant points.

He’s lonely.  Painfully, desperately lonely, and he doesn’t even know how to quantify it, but it bleeds through his actions.  He’s desperate for approval -- mostly his Master’s, but also Kilindi’s and Trezza’s and even the damn Jedi, if you dig far enough.  Sure, he wants to kill them, but he wants to do it fairly and honorably because he doesn’t want his victory to be cheap or stolen and he wants them to know that they’re fighting an honorable foe.

He’s highly intelligent, but his ability to make proper use of it has suffered for his abuse; he struggles to grasp a lot of concepts, like creativity and philosophy.  He struggles to understand politics.  He struggles to understand the very galaxy; like, they literally said that, that Maul doesn’t quite get how it all works.  Still, he is sharp and very adaptable and malleable, especially when he’s younger.

He understands and believes in fairness and honor, even if both of those are skewed by his upbringing.  He’s agonizingly, painfully loyal, and it takes being abandoned to go mad, after finding out that Sidious might have lied to him about his future as a Sith Lord, before he even stops being loyal.  But the moment Savage comes into the picture, Maul’s again loyal, this time to someone who actually deserves it; enough to abandon battle with Obi-Wan Kenobi for the sake of his brother.

He has chinks in his hard, fucked up armor.  He absolutely respects a clever, honorable foe, enough to stand between them and death (Komari Vosa), or get pissed off at someone maybe killing an ally who stood with him enough to take revenge (Eogan); he tries to reassure Patch Bruit even as he’s advancing on the man with a lightsaber, in his hella awkward earnest way.  He responds to offers of friendship -- Kilindi, sadly Deenine (one of his own damned abusers) -- with an almost painful need, and while he’s not given opportunity once he’s older, somewhere all that lurks, because he’s still naming droids and bikes.

There lies a wellspring of patience in him, even when he’s young, especially towards his droids (or even other peoples’ droids); his ability and willingness to teach is built somewhere with this as a brick when he’s older and teaching his brother.

He often reflects his treatment; how you treat him does inform how he would treat you.  This is delicate, obviously, you can’t just walk up to him, throw arms around him and sob (though I definitely relate to the desire to), but someone good at reading people could very likely strike the right note to reach him without putting him too far on the defensive.

And Maul can perceive truthfulness.  He can sense when someone’s being honest or lying, if they aren’t shielding their intentions.

Why they work:  Leaving aside the logistics issue, and just focusing on their personalities--

Bail has a thing for the underdog; they don’t get much more underdog than Maul.

Maul is desperately lonely; having the honest, positive regard of anyone would be novel enough it might even short out his brain.  But even if it didn’t, it would absolutely throw him off balance.

Both of them are honorable and believe in fairness.  Both of them build a giant chunk of themselves around that.

Both of them are loyal, and once you have that loyalty, it takes so terribly much to break it.

Bail is innately kind.  Maul absolutely responds to kindness; he wouldn’t know what to do with it, it would make him uneasy probably at first, but boy, plant that seed and he’d keep bending towards it like a plant to water.

Bail’s purity of purpose -- to serve, to do good -- would resonate with Maul, because he also does the same!  He serves his master and tries desperately to gain his approval -- to do good in Sidious’s eyes.

Neither of them are cowards; both are willing to put their lives on the line for an objective.  For Bail, this is usually missions of mercy; for Maul, it’s usually in service to his Master, but either way, they’re both brave and determined.

While Maul doesn’t have much chance in canon or Legends to show his sense of humor, what tiny flickers we get of it shows a dry wit.  Bail would get that and play to it.

Neither of them are innately selfish.  Maul’s idea of selfishness is wanting acknowledged for doing good -- and if that’s not painful to think about, he also mentally beats himself up for just wanting that -- and Bail’s is to be wistful for a less heavy burden to carry.

There are more -- obviously -- but those are more than enough drydock to build a ship in.

Just aesthetically?  They’re both gorgeous, sheesh.  Take the snarl away, and Maul’s absolutely his own kind of beautiful, and Bail-- well.  Frankly, if you don’t think he’s hot, I don’t even know how you’re breathing, maybe you’re not, maybe we should check your pulse.  (Joking.  Mostly.)  Bail’s a head taller and overall just big, but Maul’s definitely no wilting little violet; he’s small (or smaul), but he has muscle, agility and grace.

Scenarios it could work in canon (adjust for Queen Breha as needed, because I absolutely love her, too):

GoT:A, obviously.  Heh.  There, Maul gets tossed into prison at age twelve (preceding poor Boba having the same done to him), Bail sees him on a tour when Maul’s fifteen and decides, “Nope, I’m not leaving him there.”  Takes him home, gives him stability and infinite patience and kindness and waits out the psychological damage manifesting itself, and does not realize that three years after that first sighting, Maul will be desperately, achingly pining for him, and in another two, will finally steel up enough to take a huge risk and kiss him.

Literally any scenario where Maul’s cut loose in some way Bail can encounter him, pre-Theed, in canon.  If you throw that kid into the wind at that age, he’s so ill-prepared to deal with the galaxy that he’d eventually grab hold with drowning desperation to any kind of purpose or direction.  Extra easy if Sidious is somehow dead.

Orsis gets raided.

Maul actually gets fucked up enough on some mission to land in a reputable hospital and can’t make an easy escape for whatever reason, injury or illness.

Sidious sends his apprentice before he’s ready to take a hit out on Bail and Maul flubs it somehow, thus landing himself in custody.

Post-Theed, but Maul gets captured before Lotho Minor; somehow, the Jedi don’t keep custody of him, and he ends up again imprisoned by the Republic.  His plight’s so bad there that when Bail finds out that he exists and what he’s had to live like, he starts doing something about it.

Rebellion-era: man, you could mine this one like gold.  Maul wants to hurt his master, Bail needs every skilled rebel he can get his hands on.  They work together for years.

Radical AU scenarios:

Anything.  Their chemistry is such that could make anything work with enough thought and care.

In conclusion: They have the exact kind of personalities to dovetail.  Bail has the kind of decency and kindness and honor that it wouldn’t take much for Maul to want to live up to expectations for him.  And Maul has his odd, guileless charm and a sweet streak that might get buried as he gets older, but that Bail would just find, dig out and nurture.  Maul would be a fierce protector of Bail; Bail would be the support and steady love and patience Maul really needs to reach his best possible self.  They would bring out a lot of each others’ best traits easily.  Maul would lean on Bail to work less and live more; Bail would encourage Maul to take a chance on trying new things, talking to new people.  They would likely have a very kind relationship with each other, and man, both of them could use all the kindness in the galaxy.

So, what are you waiting for?  XD Go write some.  Or I’ll just keep writing it (and begging for more).