#and also very important to note that the guy who actually won the show (changsun) is not the centre

[sanstropfremir]

what would you do to fix kep1er? idk if you c a r e about kepler but, thats pert of the problem,,, no one cares about kepler all that much? what went wrong? there are countless video essays explaining how the concept isnt well thought out. the music is lackluster. the other produce groups have become so popular that kepler is pushed aside. personally, i dont even think all the members fit the concept that well.

there are two kepler songs that i like, and those are mvsk and le voyage, so i would not classify myself as actually caring about them, but it is an interesting thought experiment! i know pretty much nothing about them, including on whatever their concept is, but that doesn't really factor into how to fix them, because the best way to fix them is to 1) kick the minors, 2) actually train them properly, 3) reassemble the group with proper attention paid to talent distribution. "concept" is not actually a dependable thing that will draw people to a group, you need to back that up with BOTH tangible skills and - this is extremely important - people that actually know how to work in a group together. concept is a set dressing that is meant to hook people, but it doesn't keep people, what actually keeps fans is a combination of personality and ability. and composition and teamwork are very important to help establish that. survival shows in general are not built to make groups that have good composition; how on earth do you expect a cohesive group to be made of kids who are literally fighting each other for popularity points??? you think fans understand how to assemble a balanced kpop group????? survival shows are basically an extended training period, and when you make the goal of that training period trying to catch the attention of fans as an individual and not actually forming a solid understanding of how to perform IN a group, you are going to make groups that sure, they have very popular individual members, but they have no depth or flavour as a whole because they don't know how to.

not to gas up tan or wild idol again BUT if you want an example of how to make a survival show that actually builds a cohesive group, it's literally right there. limit intake trainee size, have them do challenges that are focused on teamwork, leadership, and practical skills idols have to be able to do, and also cut down the trainees fast so there's a smaller group that spends more time together. wild idol cut the entire 45 trainee group down to 16 in the THIRD episode, so that in the rest of the episodes they could actually focus on building the working relationships between the trainees and not have them constantly fighting over popularity. and also, perhaps even the most important point: LIMITED FAN VOTING. the fan voting was a very small percentage of their final score, so each of the members that made it into the group actually made it via being judged on their merits. when a group is made of popularity contest members and only on a short term contract, they don't have any incentive or ability to actually try and truly form a group.