#also: speedwagon is gay gay homosexual gay

[earthbovndmisfit]

are they.... you know... british??

[cuntstable]

these new generation jojo fans who voted speedwagon…….. they dont even know our CLASSICS do they….

NO WAY JOSUKE LOST THE GAY POLL. HES LITERALLY THEE GAYBOY…..

[nineinchclawz]

Sorry, anon! Shitlr said my censored cropped artwork was too explicit. Here's my repost 🤡

Yes, I have!! I see Eriwagon as strictly queerplatonic (ship analysis & explanation under the cut!).

In the context of this drawing, they're simply putting on a show for Jonathan. Uncensored here.

I like to imagine that Erina & Speedwagon are in a queerplatonic relationship- I mean, they likely sleep in the same bed. They're married to the same man. Sex would occasionally become a group activity at that point.

Even though Speedwagon is gay, I believe it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility for him to step out of his sexual comfort zone every once in a while.

Speedwagon and Erina enjoy putting on a show for Jonathan on rare occasions. It gets Jonathan riled up & Speedwagon trusts Erina to respect his boundaries.

And in regards to the canon timeline- I feel that Speedwagon & Erina's relationship definitely qualifies as queerplatonic. Speedwagon goes above & beyond providing. It's clear that he & Erina are bonded by their common love for Jonathan- so much so that Joseph picks up on it.

Jonaeriwagon already pushes the boundaries of conventional relationships. QPR Eriwagon doesn't erase Speedwagon's homosexuality & it accurately describes his intimate but non-romantic relationship with Erina. QPRs are also underrated & deserve more representation :3

(I think patrOnDyi1ing's adorable drawing perfectly captures Speedwagon and Erina's relationship 🥺)

[jojopolls]

a bit unrelated but since you mentioned it, jonaeriwagon fans don't always like erina and speedwagon together romantically. As far as i've seen, the general dynamic for this throuple is them being a happy vee polycule in which jonathan is the "hinge", rather than "everyone dating everyone". in part because erina and speedy developed a really cute friendship and they both devoted themselves to jonathan and remained always so in love only with him in canon (and also in part because lbr, speedwagon is just too gay gay homosexual gay) in other words, erina and speedy are besties loving and dating the same gentleman who loves them both equally as much in return <3

yeah this is how i interpret them too!! i love erina and speedwagon being best friends and jonathan holding both of their hands!! i just (incorrectly) figured they'd get voted out early bacuse i didn't think (clearly) that people would see it that way!

[coollyinterferes]

Dash Game: Muse Interview

What is your name? "Robert Edward Orville Speedwagon. ‘That’s such a long name!’ Yeah, I know. You don’t have t’ tell me." Please don't.

Do you know why you’re here? "I don’t really know all the details. So far it’s goin’ better than most other 'interrogations' I’ve been part of, so that’s good."

Do you have any family? “Not that I’m aware. My father died when I was just a small child, and I never really got t’ meet my mother as she died just a week or two after I was born. I didn’t have any siblings as far as I know, and no one else stepped in for me after my father died, so I’ve always assumed I’m the only one from my family who’s still ‘round. If there’re any others ‘round, I really don’t know, and I really don’t care.”

What did you last have for breakfast? “I’m what most folks’d consider a ‘night owl’, so the whole breakfast thing doesn’t really apply for me, I think.”

What do you last have for lunch? “Fish and chips"

What did you last have for Dinner? "Stale bread and tea"

How old are you? “25, turnin' 26 next month.”

Do you have any friends? “Tatts. Li. Lemmy. Jonathan, too, of course.”

Are you more comfortable by yourself or surrounded by others? “Define ‘others’, please.”

Do you have any hobbies? “Yeah, but I might get into trouble if I openly admit t’ some of ‘em, so I’ll stick t’ the safe ones this time: Travellin’, learnin’ new languages, collectin’ hats, readin’, spendin’ time with my mates, and stuff like that. " The not too safe ones for which he could get in trouble with the law for being: Gambling, visiting certain pubs and molly houses just to hang around other gay men in a more open manner and environment, causing mischief and getting into trouble, among other stuff.

Do you have any aspirations or dreams? “I used t’ want t’ become a doctor or some shit like that when I was a child so I could save people, all as a manner of honorin’ my mother. Childish dreams, I guess. Growin’ up, I learned that all those nice things and opportunities are only for the 'fortunate ones' who can afford the tools t' build that sorta future for themselves, and so I was forced t’ put those ideals aside and focus on, ahh… other activities in order t’ make a livin’ and survive another day instead...” This whole 'childish dream' of his hasn't fully died, though. It's worth to mention it will be part of why he will decide to invest into medical research for the betterment of healthcare for humankind years down the road, in the future, when he creates the Speedwagon Foundation.

Are you quick to anger? “As much as it pains me t’ admit it, I’m an intense motherfucker. I don’t get angry too quick or too easily, but when I do, shit goes down for real."

Can you dance? “Ah, yeah. I’ve had the opportunity t' learn how t’ dance different types of dances. Music from ‘round the world and all that stuff, y’know?” These being things he’s learned with the help of some of his now ex-boyfriends he's had from other parts of the world during some of his trips. “I dunno how t’ ballroom dance, though. Never really been interested in ‘rich people’ stuff, but I guess I wouldn't be opposed t' learnin' if the opportunity comes up.” Could turn out to be pretty useful, too.

Do you prefer casual or stylish wear? “Stylish. There ain’t much variety for men back home, so I like t’ give my shit some personal style out of personal preference and for ah… a few other reasons…” The gay code that reigned among homosexual men in Victorian times, he means.

Can you lift? “How do you even think I got these guns, mate?” The blond flexes an arm; big muscles making themselves evident even through the couple layers of fabric of his frock coat and dress shirt. Man is also packing defined abs and powerful legs, too.

Do you play games? “Poker, Black Jack, things like that? Yeah.” Additionally, even though he rarely interacts with children due to his ‘line of work’, he doesn’t mind playing games with kids to entertain them and draw a smile on their little faces in those rare instances where he interacts with any.

Are there any parts of your past self that you’re ashamed of? “Ah… That’s a bit of a complicated answer. I used t' be ashamed of certain parts of myself, includin' some guilt over my bein' an 'invert'. That was a long time ago, though. Nowadays, I ain’t really ashamed of who I was, who I am, and what I have achieved, even if it’s all a bit ‘outside the law’ because, honestly, fuck the law.”

Can you tell us a joke? “One day a bear walks into a pub and he says t’ the bartender: ‘Gimme one whiskey and............................. one gin.’. ‘Why the big pause?’ asks the bartender. The bear shrugs, looks down, and says, ‘I don’t know, I was born with ‘em.”

Is there anything you’d like to say before we wrap things up? “Ah… this was surprisingly fun!" And harmless, too.

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Tagged by: Been seeing it making the rounds over the weeks so I applied the good ole Speeb sees, Speeb steals lol Tagging: If you're reading this and want to do it for your muse, then please take it from me (and tag me in the post if you'd like me to read your answers :D)

[the-lumpfish-king]

I'm all for aroace rep in media, but the "he died single" was an euphemism used for gay men during the victorian era and the early 20th century, back when homosexuality couldn't even be openly mentioned. Adding to that apparently a lot of Speedwagon's canon biographies have also mentioned that he was romantically in love with Jonathan

I did not know about those bios. After reading them and and rereading a few of Speedwagon's more prominent chapters I can safely say that this man is very gay and I do not know how I didn't catch that in my many reads/watches through parts 1 and 2.

[silly-l1ttle-guy]

jonaeriwagon anon again with another clarification!: vee polyamory can be as full of love and affection as every other types of polyamory relationships, specially in cases like this where Erina and Speedwagon are best friends who also acknowledge and support each other's feelings for Jonathan in canon. Even as vee polyamory, there would be an abundance of affection mutually among Jonathan Erina and Speedwagon, not just from one side to the other. In Erina and Speedwagon's case, it would be platonic rather than romantic, but that doesn't have to mean it would be "less" than the romantic bonds each of them has with Jonathan. The three being in a vee polyamory doesn't force a romantic relationship between Erina and Speedwagon while also keeping the platonic affection between them intact as well as it also wouldn't erase Speedwagon being homosexual, which is an issue not many people talk about, similar to when people take bisexual characters and make them gay or lesbian.

thanks anon! I understand how the relationship would work now, thanks for your clarification!

[earthbovndmisfit]

I feel like the post rags on a lot about Jonaeriwagon while avoiding mentions of Jonaeridio as well as Jonadio despite the latter being the most popular ship in PB and "a bigger issue" in regards to erasing Erina completely when it comes to "yaoi ships", oftentimes making it seem like Jonathan never cared about what Dio did to Erina when they were younger, even though that was one of the biggest breaking points for Jonathan in canon. And even when it's Jonaeridio, people are literally forcing Erina to be with the guy who sexually assaulted her as a child (the whole "it was I, Dio!" thing). Not to mention the amount of times I've seen self-proclaimed fujoshis who stan that ship berating Erina and calling her names in the same way these folks berate Speedwagon.

Also, the complains about Erina and Speedwagon not being shipped romantically. Do you guys realize polyamory doesn't come in just one (1) type or form??? Vee polycules (those where one person has two romantic partners and said partners are not dating each other) exist and are just as valid as every other types of polycules! The whole complain about that only shows a lack of knowledge and understanding of how polyamory works, for starters.

And not just that, but canon showed us that Erina and Speedwagon /never/ harbored romantic or even sexual feelings for each other and, instead, that same canon showed us that they were both completely in love with Jonathan for their entire lives, and which is part of why Erina and Spw bonded as friends. Not to mention just how gay gay homosexual Speedwagon is and his absolute lack of interest in women (which a lot of other Jojo characters across all parts show even at random, even in those instances where it's completely unnecessary for the plot). There is zero reason to try to force some romance between Erina and Speedwagon and being borderline homophobic in the process (lbr, people would flip their shit if it was a lesbian character being force shipped with a man, even within a polycule).

All this is why there is usually no romance depicted between Erina and Speedwagon in Jonaeriwagon works. Erina and Speedwagon being friends does not and should not make that platonic relationship "less" than the romance they'd have with Jonathan. Both relationships are different types of love and affection -one romantic, one platonic-, but neither is "more important" than the other, unless y'all are trying to tell me you actually don't care "as much" about your friends as you would a romantic partner.

Also? I see people minimizing Speedwagon's role in Jonathan's life, like… tf? the canon literally implies that Jonathan heavily relied on BOTH Erina and Speedwagon for emotional support from start to end! Even more so when you take into account that we were told that Jonathan kept a lot of the supernatural shit that was going on a secret from Erina (up until BT she didn't have the full scope of it all).

Additionally: people writing about Erina being the one comforting Speedwagon stems from the fandom's desire to make her seem as a strong woman who needs no one (which is not entirely wrong because she is strong), and thus making the mistake of never allowing her to show any weaknesses or needing help, not even during tough moments like that despite the fact that we've seen her being vulnerable in canon, like how she was about to break near the end of PB, when it was obvious that Jonathan wasn't going to make it, or in BT when the mafioso breaks the news to her and Joseph that Speedwagon had apparently been murdered, and how it brought her back memories of when they lost Jonathan and she was visibly affected and shaking. Similarly, this type of ooc fan writing of both characters also stems greatly from the complete misinterpretation a lot of the fandom still does of Speedwagon's character, often portraying him as some kind of weak and soft crybaby despite him being literally one of the toughest mofos in all jjba (apparently, it's easier to forget that he's a regular human without any supernatural powers but who has the guts to stay and fight and help in every way he can, even if it's from the sidelines and without getting in the way). He is sensitive and shows raw emotions, yes, but he's not some emotionally weak-ass crybaby. There is a whole ass reason why Jonathan relied on him and on Erina for comfort and emotional support the entire time they were together. Come. the fuck. ON.

Round 1

Propaganda Under Cut

Erina Pendleton

Erina is SO MUCH MORE than just a "Generic Love Interest" that was brought in the story to continue the bloodline after everything that happens (and it's made abundantly clear time and time and TIME AGAIN that she means everything to Jonathan, to a point that she was his exact reason to standing up against Dio for the first time) but without fail she's only ever allowed to be the supportive best friend. Or a wingman for Jonathan and whoever he's being shipped with. Or simply supposed to sit there and allow her husband to have a male lover (the amount of posts I've seen of ppl using the excuse that 'it was very common back in the Victorian Era for men to keep male lovers that their wives were aware of and quietly accepted so it isn't a stretch to say that Erina and Jonathan wouldn't be the same--especially given how progressive she's written". Or of course my favorite when they completely erase her from the narrative and pretends she doesn't exist Jonathan's got their son for some reason, but nope she ain't there! 

a lot of times ppl who ship her CANON HUSBAND jonathan joestar with speedwagon will put her on the back burner of HER OWN CANON RELATIONSHIP in favor of propping up jonawagon, to the point where 90% of the archive for jonawagon/jonawagon(eri) is either erina giving jonathan and speedwagon consent to be happy together while she acts like a #LoveIsLove wingman OR they'll have the audacity to write fics where erina comforts speedwagon at HER HUSBAND'S FUNERAL

Our hero’s hot wife who was the first (and arguably) only person to give him the emotional support he needed. She’s the only person who never expects him to fulfill some mythical role, she just loves him for who he is. She’s been his best friend and the love of his life since he was 12 years old. When it comes to hero/sidekick ship, she’s forced to be a wing woman for her own husband, either nobly letting him go or peacefully agreeing to an open relationship but only for him!!! She gets nothing out of it, she’s just a good Victorian wife who is “ahead of her time”. Usually, just so she can provide a womb so that the hero/sidekick can be dads and she can conveniently be offscreen. OR she’s written as a lesbian in order to completely and “justifiably” take her out of the equation but there’s a.) no other woman in her vicinity to even ship her with b.) there’s vaguely some faceless, nameless woman we’re meant to assume she’s pursuing, not even a real OC for her.

Suzi Q

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All she's literally ever done is have a few cute exchanges with Joseph and be a sweetheart in the short time we get to see her following her minor introduction, clearly cementing some sort of playful attraction between the two and without fail she's consistently bombarded with extreme mischaracterization to make her seem vapid and cruel (and occasionally homophobic but like in a Completely Oblivious Dumb Blonde way), that she's nothing more than a gold digger who wanted to marry rich, that Joseph only married her because "he lost his actual soulmate and had to settle for her", and that it was HER fault that Joseph cheated on her decades into their marriage. Frankly, everyone who makes jokes at Suzi Q's expense regarding the cheating scandal aren't as funny as they think they are!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Literally all she’s ever done is be adorable and marry the hero and people either dismiss her completely or demonize her. She’s often ignored or made to play wing woman for the hero/sidekick ship OR she’s a horrible gold digger who only wants the hero for his money and/or she was only ever just a consolation prize for him when he couldn’t be with his sidekick. She also gets blamed for her husband having an affair. People like to say that she wasn’t good enough for him and could never replace his sidekick and that clearly he never REALLY loved her and it’s her fault for never measuring up. Her husband’s infidelity aside, she stayed married to that man for at least 60 years and canonically says she always believes in him and trusts him to save the day and yet people wanna say she doesn’t care about him. Or call her stupid for never imagining that her husband would cheat on her. The victim blaming gets really gross.

[speedwagonstan]

Yup! Speedwagon being in love with Jonathan has always been canon! And its also a key aspect not only to the character and his importance and role in the series, but that also helped to shape the jjba universe in different ways. For example, and just to name a few: Speedwagon helping Erina raise George and Joseph, as well as the Speedwagon Foundation as a whole, and always ensuring the Joestars' wellbeing, all were symbols of that undying love and devotion (even more so when you take into account that some of the Foundation's branches focus on one of Jonathan's passions: Archaeology), all this to the extent that Erina and Speedwagon remained loyal to Jonathan for the rest of their lives, and the fact that Araki went out of his way to declare that Speedwagon was a "lifelong bachelor" (the term may vary depending on the translation but all those variants are euphemisms used at the time to refer to a "homosexual man" nonetheless) further adds to all this. There is a lot more things in both anime and manga that show all this from the start, though some of them sometimes get lost in the translations, like some of the (sometimes mutual) homo subtext going on between Jonathan and Speedwagon in the original! Canon bios also often cover some of that, but not all of them have been translated due to PB not being 'as popular' as other Jojo parts, so not everyone knows about them, but they exist (one of those that mentioned that Speedwagon fell in love with Jona was featured for years in Shueisha's old official Jojo site and you can still see it in the archives). Not to mention that Araki himself has already addressed and acknowledged some of the homoerotic subtext that exists in some parts of jjba.

In short: Araki said Gay Rights when he created Robert Enormous Omosexual Speedwagon 🙏

p.s. sorry for indirectly waking up your cat. please give them a smooch and tell them I'm sorry 💔

Oh woah thank you so much for all those information! It's so cool!! Also my first reaction was to send this post to my friends on discord with these pics

[theirisianprincess]

I really like how each Jojo in the original universe just gets more and more obviously gay as each part is written.

Like, Jonathan Joestar marries his childhood sweetheart. His questionable relationship with Speedwagon notwithstanding, Jonathan and Erina are a textbook heteronormative fairytale ending.

Like Jonathan, Joseph Joestar also marries a woman (Suzi Q). And also like Jonathan, he may have a questionable relationship with a man (Caesar). But unlike Joseph, Jonathan never cheated. Obviously, this doesn’t make Joseph more “gay”, but it does make him less overtly traditional than Jonathan. And an objectively worse person.

Jotaro Kujo also got married, but unlike Jonathan (who died young) and Joseph (who shouldve done what Jotaro did), he got divorced. And although there are a myriad of reasons for divorce, repressed homosexuality could be one of them. Really makes you think.

Josuke Higashikata doesn’t have a canonical love interest at all. Unlike the previous Jojos who had to have kids for the plot to progress (compulsory heterosexuality), Josuke is free to just be single. Of course, due to our heteronormative society, some people might somehow think he is straight. They are wrong.

Giorno Giovanna is in a similar boat to Josuke in that they both have no canon love interest, but unlike Josuke, Giorno spends most of the story hanging out with someone who actually has the potential to be one. And what happens? Nothing. Apologies to Giorno/Trish shippers out there, but Giorno is too gay. Or ace actually. Like, he hangs out with various people, but he never shows attraction to any of them, be them men or women. He’s too focused on being a primo mafiosa (the metric system calls it “gangstar”) to actually care about stuff like romance. On the other hand, there’s a heart-shaped hole in his clothes that shows off his chest, so maybe he is gay.

Jolyne Cujoh

That’s it. That’s my proof.

[earthbovndmisfit]

HHHHHHHHAHAHAHA I just pictured Jonathan and Speedwagon being constantly all over each other like Squalo and Tiziano even in public

Sadly I'm not sure they could get away with that in 1800s England but imagine people just being completely confuzzled by it

--

"Dr. Joestar why is Mr. Speedwagon on your lap?"

Jonathan: "We're out of chairs." There's at least five more chairs.

"Ok but why are his arms around your shoulders?"

Jonathan: "He needs a place to rest his arms."

"YOU'RE LITERALLY TOUCHING HIS ABS."

Speedwagon: "His hands are cold."

Anon, you just reminded me of a very old art piece that I don't think I'd posted here before but that may fit this scenario very well...

"As long as I have a lap, Mister Speedwagon will always have a place to sit on. It's just 'simple courtesy'." -Dr. Jonathan Joestar, in some attempt to appease the rumors without having to take his hands away from his dear.

Also! Just adding on to what you mentioned about this kind of thing in the 1800s, surprisingly, it was possible to do this and get away with it, but there definitely had to be some degree of secrecy. This is probs going to turn into some kind of gay history lesson and I apologize beforehand ;u;

Back then, the "ancestors" of gay clubs were already a thing. They were known as molly houses and, though many believe they were exclusively male brothels, the reality is that most of the molly houses were basically "social clubs" for gay men. These were secret spots since male homosexuality was a huge taboo and was also illegal and could be punished by the law, so you basically had to literally search for them if you were interested in visiting those spots.

In those gay pubs, men were allowed to partake in many different activities that were deemed "inappropriate" for a man at the time, meaning that things like crossdressing, or just hanging out with your boyfriend, or seeking for a male partner, were all possible there. So, essentially, you could go there and gay as hard as you wanted "in public" without any real repercussions, as all the men there were also gay (and even if you were in bad blood with anyone there, chances are they wouldn't be able to out you before society since that would also out them in the process lol).

Molly houses aside, it wasn't as uncommon as one would think at first in some circles -mid-upper classes, though not exclusively- back then for a man to have a male "close friend" who was actually his boyfriend and who was always introduced and known in public as a "good friend :)". Some married men in these circles would do this too, as they too would have a male "close friend" who was their boyfriend, all this with the full knowledge and consent of the married man's wife. They would even start their own family with the 3 parenting the children the married couple eventually had. So, yeah! polycules, especially those consisting of a man and his wife and the married man's boyfriend (the married man's partners remaining as friends only), were a thing already back then, and they even had a specific name for this type of relationship: Menage-a-trois.

With all this in mind, it's safe to say there was a degree of complicity between the couple/polycule and the staff working for them at home (maids, butlers, coachmen, etc), as no one outside of the household should know what was going on, save for maybe some friends and veeery occasionally, the families of the partners.

All this yadda yadda said: Yesss~ That scenario may have been a lot more possible than one would think at first ;D

[cuntstable]

jojo parts ive watched/read ranked in terms of accidental but still ultimately homosexual energy btw. sorry if this controversial but im speaking my truth and AM open to critique……..

1. stocean obviously. jolyne and her yuri girlfriends and her stated jealousy of snails for their ability to fuck anything…….. she is the number one gay bitch of jojos. also pucci is there as the main villain which adds a million points

2. (unfortunately) battle tendency i believe….. mostly due to the pillar mens fat asses and dubstep club theme. also joseph getting oiled up and getting rings put on him (again unfortunate but ultimately it is what it is)

3. diamond is unbreakable. josuke is one of the if not Thee most potently Gay Boy character in all of jojos and his teen marriage to okuyasu shouldnt be ignored. but ultimately they are balanced out by kiras equally potent metrosexuality.

4. phantom blood actually. the rare jojo bara fest with jonathan and also dios on screen evil bisexuality and campiness is at full display. and speedwagon should of course be recognized as the First Gay Man in jojos universe.

5. stardust crusaders. not actually very gay comparitively except for polnaref and avdols whole deal and agreeing to go for a dinner date before one of them died. sad! would get higher placement for dios potent evil bisexuality but ultimately his on screen time is so limited in the part that it cant save it

6. steel ball run. johnny and gyro have simply no chance of beating the allegations of being gayasses. and hotpants and diego are there. but ultimately similar to part 4 all of this is even more balanced out and negated by funny valentines agressive heterosexuality and the somehow even more unfortunate inclusion of an actually canonically gay character being. well. very bad.

7. golden wind. contrary to popular belief not actually gay, just european

[mistaeq]

Wednesday, 30th December

"Yo, I'm not made to write long letters, but this is an important one, so I guess I can make it and find the words to it... but just for you, it's not like I'm all of a sudden a poet or something, make sure that sticks in your mind!

My pretty/handsome/beautiful y/n,

I'M SO FUCKING GLAD THIS SHITTY YEAR IS OVER! Like hell yeah, it was about time. I was afraid that something else would have happened. But now that I think about it, come on, what's worse than fighting against three muscular, homosexual, aztec gods who want to kill me? A gay vampire or something, maybe? Just kidding. I really hope none of this happens again, I mean, we're gonna use this year for a well deserved quality rest. I'll accept nobody who wants something from me unless it's you wanting to cuddle or something.

Let's see, uh... I wish for us a lot of peace and... some... GOOD times, if you know what I mean. And more freedom, possibly. I'm tired of staying home, I mean yeah, it means I have more time to spend alone with you, but I'd also like to travel or bring you to new places we can visit together of something, not doing nothing is boring after some time, and I guess you can quite agree with me. With a little help from grandma Erina and Speedwagon, I also bought a new car! I'm daydreaming about everything we can do with it. Like... everything EVERYTHING, teehee...

You know I'm joking. Love you. ~Joseph~"

[coollyinterferes]

A concept: Robert absentmindedly speaking (or maybe humming/singing, most likely to himself) in Polari bc yeah, I’ve mentioned this here before and I’m 100% sure he’s quite good at it. He thinks he's completely alone at the time, so he doesn’t put too much thought into it, but then he hears an "OH! That sounded really good!! What language is it?" from behind him, to which Robert turns around, genuinely pretrified, fully aware who the owner of that voice is.

Jonathan has been there for a bit now, listening to the whole thing, ready to ask Speebs to teach him whatever language it is that he was just speaking/singing in because it sounds really nice and interesting.

[kageyasame]

updated: jojo gender + sexualities headcanon masterpost (p1?)

i can’t sleep so im gonna update the jojo queer headcanon masterpost yay

i deleted the earlier one so ,here is

[[readmore]]

so here i have 2 ideas for it

the “Everyone is Gay” universe and the “probably what would actually happen” universe

so. yeah

here we go

everyone is gay verse

or: “i can dream y know”

phantom blood

jonathan: pansexual/romantic of the “idc about gender if theyre cool im cool” flavor. polyamorous. cis dude 

erina: on the ace or aro spectrums but shes Not 100% Straight (maybe akoisexual) (akoisexual = is sexually attracted but not into sex itself). cis lady

speedwagon: homosexual/romantic to the core. cis dude

william z: aroace he just wants to fuck up these vampires. cis dude

dio: hes canonically bi but id like to add him being some kind of nonbinary (”gender is for humans. im a vampire now”) and bein on the aro spectrum (demi? which is hard since hes a sociopath) (He) (capitalization included) (im guess hes cool with they too)

battle tendency

joseph: bisexual/romantic, probly a mostly male aligned genderfluid 2 (he changes pronouns, but hes chill with he about 90% of the time so if you dont know you could use he)

suzy: she’s a lesbian (idk) (she)

caesar: im tempted to say pansexual cos of his color scheme (blue-eyed blonde with pink birthmarks) so im gonna say pansexual/romantic. also trans dude (he, duh)

pillarmen: to us theyre gay poc but lbr they have the attitude of het white guys so im just gonna say bein gay poc is like being het white in between their og Superdudes... they probably have like 83 genders anyways (cool with any pronouns lbr)

lisa lisa: bisexual (maybe that way ill have a chance w her) or like aro-spec ace (like she only lovd Joseph’s dad. maybe) (cis lady)

stardust crusaders

jotaro: asexual arospec (grayaro or quoiro). demiguy or agender idk. (i remember having typed out earlier that he could be like the opposite of akoiromantic. Like. if you tell him you like him romantically he’s up for it but if not hes not really. into the whole romance thing) (they/he)

avdol: gay,  mayb quoiro. cis

kakyoin: gay, ace-/aro-spec. genderfluid? agender? i donno boi but he aint binary. (he/they and basically any pronouns but mainly he/they and maybe xir)

polnareff: bisexual/romantic, altho mayb quoiro (if avdols quoiro).

others:

vanilla ice: gay dabadee dabaday hes gay (n cis)

mariah: feral lesbian (i donno re:gender)

hol horse: the one heterosexual/romantic who says gay shit

diamond is unbreakable

josuke: mostly-dude-aligned-but-yannow genderfluid like his old man (probably dmab lbr). polysexual/rom (into dudes + nb people) (changes pronouns but 90% of the time cool with he/they)

koichi: hes just a confused boy who doesnt really kno (dmab tho, probably) (he)

okuyasu: bisexual/romantic, trans guy (he. du)

rohan: cis gay dude, probably on aro or ace spectrums (its 330 am and i cant remember which one he called gross once, romance or sex) (he)

mikitaka: whats a gender (aroace?) (any pronouns but i usually use they for them. id say they/xir r the best personally but theyre cool w anythin)

yukako: hetero but shes trans (she)

others:

dont really have any other ideas tbh

akira was probably gay too

vento aureo

giorno: he Doesn’t Really Care (if i had to put him down id say bisexual/pansexual and aro spectrum, and nonbinary in some way? maybe?) (any pronouns except she tbh)

mista: Best Bi, trans guy (he)

trish: lesbian. i love her shes my girlfriend (she)

fugo: aro gay, dmab nonbinary (demiguy?) (he)

abba: he gay (cis? im guess) (he)

bruno: he gay 2 (dude-presenting agender, i like the idea of him being dfab but as a little kid bein like “u know what i like being a he more than being a she” and his parents rolling w that and later he realizes hes agender and goes meh i still like bein a he i just dont like bein an Actual Dude) (bonus idea he got his top surgery at like 18 and got a tattoo a while afterwards and thats the swirly thing) (either that or its lingerie and hes dmab agender. im cool with both) (he/they)

narancia: ur resident ace aro agender (or bigender/genderfluid) (he/she/they/xir/literally any pronouns)

i havent finished stone ocean yet so ill update it later

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Would Speedwagon have met an asexual person? Or known about them?

Just a curious asexual bro here.

In general, I'd say that due to Speedwagon being a homosexual man who'd occasionally hang around with other queer people (usually other homosexual men, but not limited to them only), there's a possibility that he's crossed paths with a few "questioning" people in those queer circles, with some of them being ace.

A little warning here because this is gonna be a bit long, and will involve a bit of queer history (thus there will be slight discussion of some of the dated views at the time).

Based on real life info, there's a lot to this whole topic that I could dive into but, in veeery general terms, yeah, it's possible that he did meet a few ace people in his lifetime, but I don't think he would have realized in most cases as most ace people at the time thought of themselves as straight and lived their lives as straight as well (and in the cases where they also lacked all kinds of attraction to their same gender to consider homosexuality as a possibility for themselves), adhering and conforming to the strict heteronormative roles of their society as people were supposed to, meaning that they would find an opposite gender partner, get married, start a family, and live their lives as every straight person did, as the norm dictated.

It also didn't help that people (mainly women, but men were required to as well) were supposed to be non sexual, especially in public (as in not having attraction towards anyone and/or showing it and being open about it publicly, i.e, which probably made a lot of ace people "fit the norm", so to speak). There's also the fact that a lot of marriages back then were also more of a "business thing" and not based on love, so it was common to see people, including straight people, getting married out of some kind of convenience instead of love or attraction to their spouses (some developed either only until after marriage, some others were never in love nor were attracted to their spouses). People were also taught since childhood to see marriage and forming a family as a life goal much more than more recent societies do, so basically only gay men (as in homosexual men, not as an umbrella term) would completely deviate and opt out of that "straight lifestyle" (lesbians usually followed the "straight life", too, but it was mostly due to the high sexism there was at the time among other factors, but that's a different story that would require its own separate explanation). This is also why "bachelor" and other variants (including the “never married” ones) were Victorian euphemisms for "gay men".

Essentially, and similar to other non-straight people who decided to live as stealth as they could for whatever reason, ace people more than often lived their lives as straight, too, knowingly or unknowingly. And the stigma around being open about desire (or lack thereof), didn't help either. Not many would openly declare their attraction and desire for a person/gender, and even less would open up about not having any attraction or desire for anyone, as the latter was, again, the norm and what was expected of everyone, so there was "no reason" to say it out loud.

Additionally, I think Speedwagon probably knew about ace people, even with the limited knowledge at the time on asexuality, but those he knew were also probably those who were close friends of his. Personally, I headcanon the Kenpo Master (the martial artist guy from his gang) as asexual, so, at least in my hcs, he did know at least one ace person!