#also why are there mods making wyll white???

[water-your-plance]

I'm getting a little tired of this shit, wtf is this? Like do y'all not enjoy a big scarred demon woman that's beefy?

[mischiefwife]

Hey, think twice before supporting the BG3 Stardew mod.

Saw this nice looking Stardew Valley mod with BG3 characters, pretty quickly knew something was off when you see Halsin/Astarion/Rolan front and center with no mention of Wyll at all.

Then we get this whopper of a cry post, maybe suggesting they can't be anti-black because they're not white? They can't show misogyny cause they're women? They can't be blamed at all because they're just polling their PATREON votes? Fucking do better. Can't even hide behind the usual excuse that it's a free fanwork, it's not.

Fandom's got a racism and misogyny problem. Step up and draw the line with these creators crying victim when asked 'where's Wyll?' (And yes I checked, the replies are 90% positive and 10% where's Wyll, where's the women) when you've already fully developed your random minor npc first. Team members being made uncomfortable translates to being called out for contributing to a lil' racism.

The misogyny hydra and the racism in fandom runs deep i know, but for the love of fuck can we push back against it?

Or you can side with the mod's supporters (this is one of the devs actually lol). Who post things like this.

And the creators don't say a fucking thing at all about it, they just keep playing victim. It would be so easy to approach this system with a SMIDGEN of respect, just acknowledging the racism at all. Seriously BG3 fandom. Demand better.

I don't give a shit if they're the most popular, there's also a REASON why Wyll is not. But if you want to just eat this shit up and contribute making your fandom shitty and uninviting, by all means.

[dseerie]

My Thoughts On Why Astarion Acts The Way He Does

While I'm waiting for Baldur's Gate 3's cloud status to upload, I've been thinking. I've seen a lot on social media about people questioning why Astarion disapproves when your character wants to save the gnomes (since they are also under an abusive master) or assisting the refugees and how he is always wanting a reward instead of just doing something nice for the sake of it. And I've talked with people who have helped me put this into better words. At least I hope. So I wanted to explain my perspective as someone who was abused when a kid/teen/even early adult.

I fought my abusers whenever I could, figuring if it was going to happen, I'd piss them off, which was satisfying. But if someone started issues with a different authority figure, it annoyed me quite a bit because then I have another problem. And what if my abusers found out I was involved when I wasn't because someone I was with was upsetting the authority figure? It would become just one more issue I had to deal with. Too many details and nuances to keep track of when my mind needed to focus on the first problem. It made sense to stay on the good side of authority figures to keep myself safe and avoid trouble.

For me, something had to be worth doing or my mind just went back to worrying about sh*t, back to the fight or flight survival response. I needed that reward dopamine. Getting praises wasn't doing it for me, since I would forget the good because of the bad. Trauma brain is funny like that. I needed something physical and worthwhile to make me happy.

It's the reason why Astarion is my favorite character that I connected with the most. Not because of his beauty (not that he isn't an elegant elven man. Just that it wasn't what got me to like him. I'd lean more toward Gale or Wyll if it was by appearance for the male companions, though seeing Astarion half-naked with abs was a real shocker. I seriously thought he was a skinny elf 😳), but because he reminds me so much of how I was and how my thought-process worked. How I kept people away by being rude just enough without them wondering if they should say something to my abusers. Because no matter how many times I told people outright I was being abused early on, no one helped, only tattle-told on me.

And I haven't even completed a playthrough yet. I only just got to the Elfsong before starting a Durge playthrough. First playthrough was an asexual Tav to get to know the characters and storyline (I kid you not, I made my Tav a Charlatan rogue then discovered Astarion was also a Charlatan rogue when I was in the forge 😂). As I got to know them a bit more, Astarion intrigued me the most and when Patch 7 came out, I decided to play a Durge Romance. The first Durge both traumatized me up to Act 2 and made me adore and respect Astarion even more. So yeah, I'm romancing him on this Modded Durge Romance playthrough despite Gale having an interest in me, who is the male companion I would connect with if Astarion wasn't a companion (I'm literally just starting the Underdark area and Gale is already at 100 approval while Astarion is at 79 approval. I wish I had a library, I do have a cat, and I love me some white or pink wine 😋).

This is what my perspective of why Astarion acts the way he does. He's not bad, per say. What happened to him for 200 years has made him what he is. Nobody can fix someone else, but they can be guided to help fix themselves. I've been working to fix myself since I got out of the situation. And I want to be the one to guide Astarion toward fixing himself.

Both Neil Newbon and Stephen Rooney (primary writer) did a freakin' incredible job in bringing Astarion to life and making him so believable to the point he has helped many to realize what they went through and improve themselves. Bravo, good sirs! Thank you so much!

If I think of more, I'll see about adding. For now, thank you for reading. I hope you have a great day. 😊

[th-ramblr]

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Q: Are Duplicates allowed? A: Yes and no. For "Canon Threads", there is only 1 version of each canon muse allowed server-wide. However, there is no limit on duplicates in "AU/Non-Canon" threads.

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[flymmsy]

It is so fucked up, the way people treat modders, they make new content for this game for free and people still cannot follow their TOUs. I know so many people who stop doing mods because of stuff like this, like if you would not repost fanart/fic, why would you repost a mod????

Also I am shocked by the super negative attitude towards mods that is in many fandom spaces (tiktok/reddit) where it is completely fine to shit on them (not talking about racist white wyll mods, they deserve all that), not sure whats the issue there

Not to sound ANCIENT but there’s definitely an attitude towards content that’s changed over time and it surprises me.

BACK IN MY DAY (*cracks hip*) it really felt like what you created was yours - and you were happy to share it with the community but everyone understood that they should also be respectful when content sharing.

Now, we’re seeing the rise of AI and websites just signing away content, and I’m not surprised that some younger people have no idea about what you should credit and what you shouldn’t repost.

It’s sad to see and I have to remind myself that it’s ultimately not any individual’s fault - it’s the way the internet is moving. But because of that we also have to be firm when we draw boundaries to remind people that yes even now some things are cool and some things are still very, very uncool.

Re: being negative about mods - I hate when people do it to specific mods because it shows they have no understanding of the work that goes into it. Now, I’m not an innocent person here and I will admit, I hate all of the Make Gortash More Handsome mods and have made jokes from time to time - but I make jokes about them IN GENERAL and do not point out a specific mod because of what I said - end of the day there was a lot of work that went into that.

But straight up problematic mods, of course fuck those. And there are also times where people need to be called out when they accidentally create problematic mods (like whitewashing when they don’t realize they’re whitewashing).

[fuckitwebhaal]

to play devils advocate,,

i mean yeah i do wanna fuck 20 year olds

i am not white and i hate that the mods make them more european and white looking but i am 18 and would like to fuck ppl my own age tbh

i am going to say this as sincerely and gently as i can because you are young:

you are not playing devil's advocate. you are actually the majority opinion of most people. wyll is 24 (confirmed) and lae'zel is assumed to be in her 20s or the equivalent thereof because she has not yet killed her first mindflayer. romance them if that's what you want.

my post was not at ALL about the age of oneself and one's ocs and age-gap discourse. it IS about how prevalent and pervasive beauty norms can be, in regards to the fear and disgust surrounding signs of aging (which all people go through). personally i don't care what mods you're using but i think you should examine why you're doing it. scrutinize your biases.

also, these are fictional people, fuck whoever you want in real life as long as it's a healthy relationship. i don't care.

also im 21. its my birthday. ur coming into my inbox saying this to me as an 18 year old to a 21 year old on his birthday. ur bringing me this shit to my birthday party on my birthday bringing me not a birthday gift. i think ppl in their 40s are fucking hot

[vikingnerd793]

Honestly? The "Make Karlach human" visual is so stupid. Why did we do this? Who asked for it? Why was it needed at all?

The BG3 fanbase does not have the comprehension of nuance needed to respect valid feedback and dialogue when it comes to race, features and skin tone. "Make Wyll white" mod, anyone?

Also, I HATE that this is dragging Sam into the discussion they NEVER asked for. "OH, it's Sam's skin tone" okay but did Sam want you to do this when the character is concept designs iterated by the team and not necessarily a direct mirror of Sam? And why are you using Sam as a prop to justify or explain skin tone and race when all it sounds like is "hey, I didn't make Karlach white, look at Sam".

SAM IS NOT A PROP FOR YOUR STUPID FANDOM BULLSHIT AND DRAMA. Remember when the Fandom went at Sam and accused them of not being a true POC because of their skin color, not realizing they are Jamaican and Irish and absolutely a POC? I do. I remember. Leave Sam the fuck out of it.

If you cannot recognize the serious sensitivity and nuances when you are changing these characters according to literally anything human, when they're not human -- just D&D races other than humans -- don't do it. Stop. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

Please stop being chronically online, constantly doing stupid shit for attention and arguments about little artistic licenses you took that legitimately no one asked for. Be better than this. And the discussion? It's even worse.

Cut it out.

[persephinae]

if you think Wyll is boring I need you to really reflect on why that is and apply some critical thinking skills

Who wrote Wyll? What was their race?

Did the devs devote the same time and care to Wyll as the white characters? (answer - No. No they did not)

Who thinks he's boring? What is their race?

Why do people feel the need to make mods to change his race?

What is the environment that you grew up in? How does this affect your worldview?

Do you make a concerted effort to unlearn toxic thinking and behaviors?

Do you find yourself not liking all black characters/poc characters? Do you find yourself saying things like "I don't like their character." or "I just think they're boring."

Do you find your automatic reflex at these questions is to get mad and say "BUT I'M NOT RACIST?" (hint: if you're white, you are, it's in the air we breathe)

Why do you find yourself getting mad at the thought of being perceived as racist? Reflect on this and take it as an opportunity to grow and unlearn things we all grew up with if you're white.

Why did you feel it's necessary to constantly find reasons to not like a black/poc character and then justify it as something innocuous like "They're just boring!" while not taking into consideration the context of the character or your own perceptions as a white person.

Also to to expand this further because I see it in other fandoms:

Why do you find yourself hating the black/poc female character?

Who wrote this character? What is their race?

Why do you feel the need to viscerally hate this character more than the white male characters?

Why do people feel the need to make mods to change their race?

If we can all think on this and reflect, I think it would be very helpful :)