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i think neil josten can handwash clothes
#like ur telling me mary would shell out for a laundromat when they have 1 weeks worth of clothes each#no she would not#also its pretty common in europe. not that canonically they spent THAT much time there#also would help them avoid leaving the house/wherever they were#anyway maybe the washing machine breaks or some bs and neil is like So what get me a TUB!#inspired by me trying 2 learn to actually handwash bc im on study abroad rn and my apartment is far af from the washers at school#and they are Expensive#as yet unclear on good rinsing strategies though... desirous of a washboard#aftg#neil josten#mary hatford#aftg headcanon
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Me?? Over-analysing The Scarlet Pimpernel??? Its more likely than you think
So, surprise surprise, I was rereading the scarlet pimpernel in hopes of getting any tiny bit of inspiration for The Lady Of The League, and instead, I, of course decided to over-analyse it and came up with a lil theory about our very own Sir Percival Blakeney, Baronet.
Bear in mind that this is just a nerd rambling, I'm probably very wrong-
Also idk how much of a "theory" this is. It's more of a "my brain worked overtime and wouldn't let me rest until I wrote this down and forced it upon my mutuals and followers"
So it's well established within the canon of the Scarlet Pimpernel that Percy stops any suspicion of him being the Pimpernel by hiding himself behind the facade of a brainless, foppish idiot. Which is a very important point, as it's how he manages to keep himself safe for so long.
Even more important is the fact that everyone believes it. His act works, and practically everyone in England remains convinced that Percy Blakeney is just an idiot who managed to marry 'the cleverest woman in Europe' somehow.
But clearly, Percy isn't the idiot he pretends to be. He is, of course, the titular Pimpernel, who is intelligent enough to rescue countless aristocrats from death, to plan escapes very quickly, and just to generally outwit Chauvelin and the French constantly. This is common knowledge to pimpernel fans, of course, so why is Jess basically regurgitating the whole first novel?
Because I have a question:
Why does everyone in England genuinely believe that Percy is a completely incompetent fop?
It's something that I don't think many people really think about. The explanation we are offered in the book is that for the purpose of hiding any association with the Pimpernel and his League, Percy goes out of his way to play the idiot. And that's a perfectly reasonable explanation for it. I know I accepted it unquestionably during my earliest experience with the Scarlet Pimpernel.
But I personally think that it's deeper than this. And that's where my dumb, over-thinking analysis fandom brain kicked in, and started to construct this idea.
So let's start with what we know about Percy Blakeney from the book. Throughout his introduction in chapter 6, titled 'An Exquisite of `92', a point is made of the way he is perceived by English society.
"He, the sleepiest, dullest, most British Britisher to ever set a pretty woman yawning"
"the 'cleverest woman in Europe' had linked her fate to that 'demmed idiot' Blakeney"
"Every one knew that he was hopelessly stupid"
"But then Blakeney was really too stupid to notice the ridicule"
Each is a direct quote from the chapter. So clearly, there is a certain way that he is seen by everyone. And he accepts it. More than this, he plays himself into this view they have, for the sake of his own ends.
But nobody ever explains where this image of Percy comes from, and why it is practically just a fact that he is remarkably stupid.
The book is set in 1792, and the revolution began in 1789. The mass execution of aristocrats didn't come straight away, and Percy and his friends certainly weren't lying in wait for all of this to happen. So at most, Percy has been rescuing people for some time more than a year, and has been married to Marguerite for around a full year of that time. So for Percy to be so well-known by England, he's probably been known to them for longer than he's been Pimpernel-ing.
So why do they believe that he's so incompetent? Surely, if he was as clever as the reader knows he truly is, people would notice if he suddenly turned into a brainless fool for no reason.
Unless they never considered that he was intelligent in the first place.
Which is a weird thought, right? When we clearly know that he is clever. But then it starts to make more sense if you start to consider his history, specifically his mother and what happened to her.
"Although lately he had been so prominent a figure in fashionable English society, he had spent most of his early life abroad. His father, the late Sir Algernon Blakeney, had had the terrible misfortune of seeing an idolised young wife become hopelessly insane after two years of happily married life. Percy had just been born when the late Lady Blakeney fell a pray to the terrible malady which in those days was looked upon as hopelessly incurable and nothing short of a curse of God upon the entire family. Sir Algernon took his afflicted wife abroad, and there presumably Percy was educated, and grew up between an imbecile mother and a distracted father, until he attained his majority. The death of his parents following close upon one another left him a free man, and as Sir Algernon had led a forcibly simple and retired life, the large Blakeney fortune had increased tenfold."
So, there's a lot to unpack here. But the basics come down to the fact that just after Percy was born, an unnamed illness affected his mother's mind, and his father took the family out of England to some unnamed place, which is where Percy would then grow up.
And this is where things started to form for me. We don't know how quiet this whole thing was kept, but it does seem to be told to us as though it was common knowledge, and later on in the book, when Marguerite comes across a portrait of Percy's mother in his study, we find out that she knows what happened to her as well. And then another line from Percy's introduction in chapter 6 jumped out to me on rereading it.
"but then that was scarcely to be wondered at, seeing that all the Blakeneys, for generations, had been notoriously dull and that his mother had died an imbecile."
This tells us that Percy is already at a disadvantage if he wishes to be seen as intelligent.
He has to contend with the fact that his family is know to be dull, and bland, and boring people, and on top of that, he also has to contend with the fact that at least some people know that his mother lost her mind, for one reason or another.
And then you start to consider Percy himself. He was raised and educated abroad. He was more than likely raised by paid servants and hired hands who knew very little of the expectations of an English society gentleman, and his parents, who did know what was expected, were unavailable and occupied by the goings-on.
So that's what we have to consider: Percy was inexperienced in an upper-class English society. He probably had very little idea of what to expect from others, and what others, in turn, would expect from him. And then, when his parents died, he suddenly found himself inheriting a title, and lands with an estate, and a place in this society he had never known.
So when he inevitably returns, what can he do? He won't know many people, and therefore, he won't have many people to learn from. He will be the outsider, the boy who didn't grow up in England, the one who doesn't know how to fit in.
So it starts to come together.
We're told that after his parents passed away, he travelled abroad a lot. But he more than likely would have returned to England at least once, to see his estate, to acquaint himself with a world he will now have to navigate and live in. And when he does, the image of Sir Percy Blakeney that England has begins to form.
There is already the image of the previous members of the Blakeney family, who are known for being "notoriously dull"
There is the whole history of Percy growing up with an "imbecile mother"
And now, he returns to England and joins society with no idea what to do
And so the image forms.
They label him as this fool, as this brainless fop who knows more about fashion than he does about the world. And because he has no way of knowing how to show them that he is in fact intelligent, he accepts it. He takes the role they have given him to play, and he lives it.
Because when he is Percy Blakeney, the idiot who will laugh at everything, who will lead England in its fashion, he is accepted, and he has a place.
And then, enter the revolution. Percy finds himself wanting to do something, and he becomes the famous Scarlet Pimpernel. And he realises that this image of him can be used to protect his life, and that of his most loyal friends and followers in the League.
So I propose the theory to you; Percy did not become the brainless fop to hide himself. Instead, he, in his unseen cleverness, used what people knew and expected of him to deflect suspicion.
And that's why it worked so perfectly. Because in order to hide in plain sight, he didn't have to change a thing about himself.
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So there we have it! A long, probably very useless rant that will probably never help anyone, but if you made it this far, I hope you enjoyed my take!
Once again, this is just an idea I had about Percy, I'm not claiming it to be canon, I'm probably looking way too deep into this, but I thought I'd share it with y'all
#the scarlet pimpernel#scarlet pimpernel musical#Percy Blakeney#The League of the Scarlet Pimpernel#long post#theory time#ig?? idk#is this meta?#Idk whether this counts as meta#I have ✨obsession problems✨#Sorry Percy bro#You probably didn't need me to deep dive into ur life my man#but here i am anyway
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the Library at Kaer Morhen
Full disclosure: I am a student of library and information science, not a historian of anything, but I do know a little bit about historical libraries and the general scope of information collection and organizational work, so! here is a brief summary of what might have been in Kaer Morhen’s library, how the library functioned, and what is left of the library as of show timeline.
The closest analogs to Kaer Morhen’s library would have been monastic libraries of medieval Europe and to some extent later medieval university libraries (which existed a little later in history than the years Kaer Morhen was active). On the other hand, Sapkowski likes anachronisms in his worldbuilding, so I don’t feel beholden to perfect historical accuracy on that front and you shouldn’t either. One big difference, for instance, is there doesn’t seem to be any shortage of paper/parchment in the Witcher world like there was in medieval Europe (especially considering the video games), so Kaer Morhen would be totally free to, for instance, keep a lot of ephemera that would never have been created in the first place/been recycled into more ‘important’ texts in an actual medieval library.
This is long, so I’m putting it below the cut.
what was in the library?
Because of the specialized focus of the School of the Wolf (Kaer Morhen’s library is what the LIS field would uncreatively call a “special collection”) most of the materials would probably have been related to the School and its goals, so primarily nonfiction, reference, and archival material.
Kaer Morhen would have two main types of materials: stuff by witchers and stuff not by witchers.
In book and game canon, non-witcher academics study monsters, as well as relevant topics such as alchemy, regular biology, and magic. Subjects like history would also probably mostly be drawn from outside the keep. Witchers might have picked these up in the course of their travels and donated them to the library or have been sent out specifically to retrieve desired volumes. The mages would likely have been able to portal in and out of the keep; this would have allowed the mages to collect texts as well (they may also have potentially had access to mage-only sources for books and materials such as other mages and the mage schools; YMMV on how willing these sources might have been to share with Kaer Morhen’s mages).
Regarding stuff-by-witchers, most of it would have been created by Wolf School witchers and affiliated mages (who I will consider honorary witchers for this purpose). Some of these materials might also have created by witchers from other schools—Kaer Morhen might have traded with other schools for materials, or non-Wolf witchers who needed to shelter at Kaer Morhen might have left materials there. Witcher-created materials might have included some or all of the following:
armor and sword diagrams
treatises and bestiaries by witchers
witchers’ personal/field journals
case/hunt reports
witcher-only alchemy recipes/alchemical research notes
mages’ research notes
important correspondence
saved contract notices
inventory and supply records (this is what the first-ever historical libraries were created to organize!)
personnel records (It’s W3 canon that records were kept of the boys who didn’t survive the Trial of the Grasses; likely similar records were kept of graduating/active witchers and their deaths.)
The collection itself probably wasn’t that big. Literacy in the Witcher seems somewhat more widespread than it was in actual medieval Europe, but for reference, in 1331 one of the largest libraries in Europe had only 1,850 books in its collection, whereas the second-largest public library system in America today keeps an average of 570 thousand books per location. If Kaer Morhen was keeping ephemera like saved contract notices the total number of individual items would probably have been a lot higher, but by modern standards it would have been pretty a small collection overall.
It also might not have all lived in one place. Smaller collections likely existed in other pockets of the keep: the mages’ tower probably had the bulk of the resources on magic and research on mutagens, for instance, and alchemy texts might have lived in the mutagen/potion labs for ease of access. Individual witchers keeping stashes at Kaer Morhen might also have had small private collections.
Fictional/artistic materials such as novels or poetry are unlikely to have been a priority of whoever was in charge of acquisitions for the library. If Kaer Morhen had any, they were likely brought to the keep by witchers who personally fancied particular volumes and gave them to the library, or they existed mostly in private collections. Plausibly some witchers might have spent winters writing poetry and such.
If there was written erotica floating around Kaer Morhen, I would guess most of it existed primarily in witchers’ private collections rather than officially cataloged or kept in the main library. This would make it much more difficult for trainees to sneak around and steal trashy romances, but stealing from specific witchers is also arguably funnier, so do with this what you will.
how did the library work?
There was absolutely at least one person dedicated to the upkeep and maintenance of the collection. More reasonably the head librarian would have had at least one or two assistants (possibly full-time, possibly on-and-off), depending on how dedicated you think Kaer Morhen was to saving and cataloging stuff. Fewer people are needed to keep a collection in order if people aren’t regularly wandering off with stuff. (Fun fact: the librarian of a monastic library was called an armarius or armarian.)
Tasks the librarian and assistants would take care of would include:
helping people find things
repairing, restoring, or copying materials that needed it
acquisitions (requires knowing what gaps of knowledge exist in the collection and figuring out what books to fill them with)
cataloging and keeping inventory (elaborated on further below)
checking out books and tracking where loaned books were
Speaking of checking books out: we have very little information about how specific lending policies worked in medieval libraries, but monastic libraries did lend things out to other monasteries and to individuals. However, witchers probably very rarely wanted to take books out of the keep with them, since books are a pain to carry around all year. Monastery libraries sometimes had written contracts for taking books out, which might have been the case for witchers who just wanted to have books out around the keep. There’s no evidence of card catalogs in medieval libraries but it wouldn’t be implausible for the library to have used something similar to keep track of checkouts if there was paper available. It is unlikely that Kaer Morhen would have enforced a certain time period for check-outs, especially if books remained in the keep; when everyone knows everyone, that becomes sort of unnecessary.
The actual organization of the library would have been…messy, by modern standards. Medieval catalogs were simple lists of items, featuring the title and author, or if neither existed, the first couple of lines of the first page, and perhaps a call number or shelf. They also often described the physical appearance of the book in detail. These lists would have been roughly sorted by either subject or by the physical shelf and shelving order of the items (or both). Some catalogs were sorted by the donor of the items, but this seems unlikely for Kaer Morhen. Sorting by surname or author seems to have been basically nonexistent.
The main purpose of a catalog was to do inventory (usually done at least once a year—probably a spring task at Kaer Morhen, after cataloging any new stuff witchers brought in over the winter), not to locate items.
Materials that existed in smaller collections (if the mages or alchemy labs had their own places to store books) might have been in the catalogs of the main library with notes that they were shelved in other buildings, or they might have had their own catalogs kept up by the people who used those resources most frequently.
When it came to actually finding stuff, the catalog would have been very difficult for people to navigate and someone looking for something specific would have just asked the librarian (or if they were a huge nerd, just been familiar enough with the collection to know where it was and cut out the middleman). Call numbers for books did exist in medieval libraries, but they varied wildly from library to library. Kaer Morhen might also have put numbers on the sides of its bookshelves to help find things, as was done in Roman libraries. (As an aside, it was common for medieval books to be color-coded for subject: red for theology, black for law, green for medicine, etc., which is not really true of books in the video game but would have helped with locating items.)
Notably, Kaer Seren, the Griffin keep, was destroyed by mages for refusing to share its library (presumably the most extensive of any of the witcher libraries); that doesn’t mean Kaer Seren and Kaer Morhen didn’t share materials with each other or the other witcher keeps, but it means outsiders likely were not allowed access to any of the witcher libraries, either directly or indirectly.
what is the library probably like as of the show timeline?
When Kaer Morhen was sacked and the secrets of the Trials were lost, that assault in all likelihood included systematic destruction of most of the library collection.
TW3 shows Ciri has access to bestiaries during her childhood, so either a few things survived in various corners of the keep, the witchers have still been acquiring and bringing back volumes to Kaer Morhen during their travels despite the dissolution of the library, or after she was brought to Kaer Morhen they collected texts specifically for her.
Attempting to properly rebuild the library, even just the non-witcher texts, would be a full-time job for anyone who wanted to pick it up, especially as the catalogs would likely have been destroyed with the books. Probably none of the remaining Wolf School witchers were quite familiar enough with the library’s structure to even begin a project like that, even if they wanted to. The violent destruction of everyone in Kaer Morhen and all of Kaer Morhen’s history would also be an enormous source of pain, so my suspicion is, while they may have a few books that they used for Ciri’s education, none of them have touched the library itself or desire to. Unfortunately? The library is, most likely, currently a room full of ashes.
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the future of wikipedia (katherine maher & lucy crompton-reid)
February 3 2018
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/the-future-of-wikipedia-tickets-42271530285#
Thoughts: So this was kind of my first foray into open knowledge/culture, and there were two parts to this day - the first was learning about wikidata and how to query it and contribute to it. This was pretty cool and actually what I had initially signed up for because I want to get out of my comfort zone/learn a new skill for research, but I did feel a little over my head haha. The second part I actually just found out about on the day, and stayed for. This was a talk about the future of Wikipedia, and it sounds pretty awesome tbh. I came in knowing nothing about Wikipedia, how it works as an organisation (it’s a non profit!), or how the site is maintained or who contributes, or what its missions are. Katherine is a great speaker. And while the talk was obviously very specific to Wikipedia, I think I was able to learn about all sorts of topics I’m interested in - how NGOs operate and are funded, how huge collaborative projects work, acknowledgment of and potential solutions to structural barriers that promote limited diversity in contributors of the collaborative projects, the bias that results from this, the impact of new technology, and their vision and belief in the public good of open knowledge. Was a very well spent day for me.
lucy
global movement for open knowledge
non profit
free and open access to info/knowledge = driver of social/cultural/economic development, fundamental right
work with cultural + educational organisations to enable them to contribute to a democratic understanding of the world
3 programs:
1) diversify editing community + content
not reaching + representing every community, voice, sum of human knowledge
gender gap, minorities
2) promoting open knowledge
3) education and learning
reach and impact?
metrics: people we reach, editors we have, ??
social bias + impact? how open knowledge genuinely improves society
katherine
wikimedia is based in san fran
300 people at the foundation, all over the world
“a world in which every single human can share in the sum of all knowledge” - aspirational statement, room for everyone to participate (+ create knowledge), not just consume
asymptotic, active
the more info on wikipedia, the better resource it’ll be
people who contribute to wikipedia, if they come with a partisan view over time become more neutral
wikidata (structured and linked data), wikimedia commons, DBpedia
populations are shrinking - japan, russia, europe - where wikimedia is well known + prominent
sub saharan africa
means of knowledge production hase been changing over time
the way we consume, faith / trust / research in institutions is on decline and shifting into influencers/personal trust networks, interfaces are changing (go beyond browser)
internet: info —> communication medium
native > additive experience in their lives
how do we want to evolve in response to the way world is changing?
hopes + fears for free knowledge
wikimedians
talked to experts (futurists, technologists, policy, arts, etc) - how they anticipate the change to be
what did we learn?
knowledge gaps + biases = highest concern
wikimedia doesn’t serve the entire world (language coverage, breadth of coverage, representative)
structural inequality prevents us from achieving ^ mission
who is creating the reliable sources that wikimedia relies on?
adapt to world’s changing knowledge needs
leverage new technology (video? open ML?)
more people in institutions (science, cultural, edu) want to join but dk how
direction:
becoming an essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge
anyone who shares our vision will be able to join us (barriers)
knowledge as service - how to serve more people, ??
knowledge equity - ensure that info that exists doesn’t just have large numbers but a breadth and depth that is truly reflective of the world and serves it in a meaningful way
Panel
at a personal level, what do you want to see for open knowledge by 2030?
more people to know what open knowledge means
successful in communicating value of what this means to a broader audience
more entities participating, the more healthy the ecosystem is
—> advancing the concept of it
structural barriers that exist?
leisure time, literacy, gender inequity, marginalised communities are not usually secondary sources because historically haven’t been able to challenge dominant narrative — still replicating canon (way they evaluate sources, relies on means of knowledge production which is very traditional)
awareness, access (affordability)
where in that hierarchy do we sit?
balloons for the internet (some big tech companies ??)
incentivising local language production?
how to identify these gaps / barriers and breaking them down so more people can participate
notability? deletionism? guidelines as a community, when they’re appropriate? where to strike that balance to make sure it’s accurate + reliable, but also easy to contribute.
community conversation
oral citation? how to rely on this, which is far more prevalent than we give it affordance for
what does notability look like in a community, language, culture? their own validation methods within different areas?
NYT - considered newspaper of record? lawsuit in california by gay softball league of san Francisco. NYT wrote about the case, but never mentioned their ethnicity. everyone that wasn’t decided gay was POC. — active exclusion happening in sources we think are reliable. what are our paradigms for liability anyway? even though that was the crux of the issue of the case.
hidden, implicit bias
fake news
how we enable people to be more aware of bias (not our own, but in interpreting/analysing the media and recognising it)? how important that foundation has a educational ???
should wikipedia position itself as alternative to mainstream media?
wikipedia ranked more trustworthy than BBC, 1 survey, by 2 points —> horrifying
wikipedia relies on secondary sources. if trustworthiness in BBC declines, that’s bad for wikipedia!
i want you to use wikipedia, but you need to ask those questions and CHECK CITATIONS to become a participant and not a consumer - be a critical reader
what can we do to advocate on the need for media literacy, more funding for research??
engage with educators, learners (and not just uni) - how to google stuff, read + edit wikipedia
wales community!
investment in science community - impact of brexit?
wikimedia engaging in the culture community - partnership with cultural + educational institutions
how is scientific information actually diffused in society?
natural partner for us
how do we bring that community into the wikidata community?
corresponding investment in open science
working with researchers / research community
lots of communities struggle with open data structure, how to maintain catalogues, etc - we are building the tools that do that, but not thinking of it as tools beyond wikimedia. wiki base can be used as an asset by so many other institutions - more info to be available to the world, helping other orgs, etc. —> makes everything better for everyone
automation of content creation?
vietnamese - automated almost all stubs?
stub articles = incentives to create (what is this - short wikimedia article)
wikimedia is fundamentally a human pursuit
machines can augment human work in ways that can be quite helpful - washing machine
multilingual people!
entirety of the ecosystem and identify gaps across all language communities we have
who decides what those gaps are?
opp of wikidata to reveal that
resources - implicit in convo - the fact that there are so many resources invested in western world + global north, what do we need to do to create equity ?
tremendous asymmetry - agency, power in decision making
when they see problems, wikimedians are highly incentivised to make a change
all the more reason to have more voices in the room
1) "human project" - neural machine translation, challenges of ML and machine content creation. challenges of people knowing about machines involvement (turing test?)
ML already exists on wikipedia
how do we use it in a way that’s consistent with our values
3 things
it has to be open - difficult in AI, because transparency doesn’t mean much bc we can’t think the way machines do. intention, legibility, explainability - why was this software made, what should it achieve
inclusivity - biases in datasets we’re training. open, transparent around datasets using
can receive feedback from public
consent - making sure people working on projects consent to the way ML is being used in projects, know how/why it’s happening [ no one wants something being done to them]
2) future financial sustainability of the movement
71.6M USD to keep foundation running this year
very little money for world’s 5th most popular website
created an endowment in last two years - trying to raise significant one to protect it into the future
even if cannot build on it, want to keep it at least open
what resources we require to keep this running into future? gap between where we are and want to be? sustainability in long run?
model is amazing, no one owns it bc of open licensing, building a life long relationship with people for what wikimedia stands for
3) china
blocked in china
people don’t write in chinese only in china - from variety of places in the world
we want to be there for when we’re unblocked, ready + present for chinese public to have access in meaningful way
deliberately trying to effect policy in org to support the description of these things in public? significant portions of UK not represented in publicly meaningful sense. difficult for wikimedia to address that issue.
rural-urban gap in wikipedia bc of nature of secondary sources, media
concentrates around population density, where communities not urban are not represented
even within communities in city - marginalised communities are not recorded in
who creates culture? it just is, what we live.
stuart hall - nature of who creates culture and where it comes from, production of culture (high brow > the one we all live, which isn’t documented)
oral citation project in india - traditional game kids play, no ones ever written it down
daily lived culture is not good at documenting, haven’t found way to address this
reflection of the world
what does knowledge equity really mean? and how do we program for it?
when thinking about core articles, how to raise quality of those and to keep them relevant?
tool - ores?? to evaluate article quality
opp to see what those gaps are, assess in more automated way, based on verifiability (not just density of info)
build tools to help editors maintenance function, or where quality gaps are, so there’s a continuous effort to update + maintain them
can do this not just for one language, but for all
project tiger - with google. how to identify main drivers of traffic (specific pages etc), and make sure the quality is good, and point people to work on that.
worried about losing relevance in the future? things to do to stay relevant?
we don’t know why people leave / fall out of contributor pipe line
give ourselves metrics to be able to evaluate that, so we can focus on retention as priority
rateability -
no one knows that simple english wikipedia exists!
how it’s being utilised by third party reusers
the way we’re composing info so that it becomes reusable! that it offers a service - answers the question, solves the problem
broken connection - maintaining consistency between wikimedian + re users. complying with licensing terms?
Seeing the work you’ve done being credited - for retention.
why based in US?
affordances from a policy POV that do not exist in other places in the world (USA) - hosting controversial or illegal content
intermediary liability protections (nuisance lawsuit)
rotating figureheads of leadership?
awareness + participation
knowledge equity as a priority, yet to determine how that looks like and what changes we need to implement to get there
global secretariat that could be stationed around ??
recently identified 6 countries where there is gap between awareness and ??potential - india, nigeria, iraq
marketing - in language of the community, “awareness raising videos”, ads written by communities themselves
changing what we think contribution + dedication looks like?
data typology on wikipedia that presents different types of data ?? presenting as much info in symbolic / visual forms?
multimedia integration
blockchain?
generally don’t think it’s good for wikipedia (from engineers)
persistence of information - revision history, revisions
feels like a diversion from existing stack
lots of arab wikimedians to be are refugees, with videos, names, locations, sitting on so much data that they want to put on open source etc. lack workshops in camps, any way to get into camps?
how to seek external funding on migrant communities?
big funder didn’t recognise that digitisation of stuff and getting it onto wikipedia was cultural preservation
institutional POV: do they actually want us to come in?
cultural heritage component
wiki loves africa + wiki med + wiki deutschland - building offline editing environments?
when there’s momentum as a community —> generally leads to structure
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