#also its not fair that victims of harassment get no compassion but the evil followers of bts do
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1eos · 4 years ago
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i’m sending this to you bc i feel like you’re the only person that will answer this completely unbiased but i’ve been into kpop for about two years now and honestly one day bighit will have to answer for the way they brainwash armies into thinking that bts genuinely cares about them and their mental health like i see grown ass people genuinely thinking that jimin or whoever is the only one that cares for and understands them so they’ll blindly go to anyyyy lengths to defend them. whole time jimin is somewhere in korea stacking 100 dollars bills and not knowing who any of them are. idk if you heard but there’s even an account that’s been going around doxxing black kpop stans that spoke out about CA and the jim jones situation and they blatantly said multiple times that they’re doing this to defend bts yet majority of black armies have not been doing anything to spread awareness probably bc they don’t want their fan base and bts to look bad. armies annoy me to no end but i also kinda feel bad for them i want better for them this is beyond kpop at this point i’ve never seen anything like this before.
there wasn't really a question here akgkagkg but im gonna assume the end question is should we feel bad for brainwashed fans? in that case it depends. like on one hand big hit is purposefully capitalizing on the unhealthy parasocial relationships btwn armies nd bts nd they will never do anything to break up the c*lt like thinking of the fandom even if the fandom actively began to hurt the members in any kind of way. nd i do feel bad for the young ppl that are being caught up in scary communities bc they’re young nd they feel like they belong for the first time ever but the fact that big hit is essentially brain washing doesn’t excuse the fact that these ppl willing put aside their morals to terrorize black nd muslim ppl nd revel in it. they fucking enjoy it nd they make memes abt doxxing black girls on tw nd they vote nd act like its a spectacle bc they have made the conscious decision to make racism a part of their kpop experience. i don’t feel bad for them no. some delusional behavior is like inevitable esp bc big hit is specifically creating cbs that center of loving yourself nd mental health but there’s a difference in responsibility in accts that love jimin nd act like theyve married him nd the ones that take a sadistic pleasure in demeaning, doxxing nd threatening minorities nd imma keep it real with you i don’t feel bad for the black armies either bc they’ve internalized antiblackness nd instead of having self esteem they uplift korean men who profit off blackness nd try to center their blackness on stanning non black men. nd a LOT of these black armies are helping in the demeaning nd the doxxing nd the threatening but like we ALL deal with antiblackness nd its your personal choice to heal nd love yourself nd others instead of uplifting the bastardization of black culture nd straight up insulting features you yourself have bc the other person is an ‘anti’. i don’t feel bad for them at all bc while u can’t chose to not be indoctrinated into a fucked up fandom but u CAN chose to not be fucking evil abt it so when they all face the consequences of their actions nd bangtan won’t save them that’s on them!!!!!
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tomakeitbeautifultolive · 5 years ago
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Listen, I might be playing the devils advocate, but I don't think Dany's fate in the GoT finale was due to D&D being sexist.I think it was just because D&D can't write for crap.
It’s not about intent.
Allow me to begin by saying that I completely understand the knee-jerk reaction that people have to the term ‘sexism’. It’s very polarizing, and when men read the term, they immediately go on the offensive. That’s not what I want at all. I don’t use the term to alienate or exclude men, I use it because it’s the dictionary definition of what I’m trying to convey:
sex·ism (noun): "prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.“
That said, allow me to play devil’s advocate here and say that I do not believe the writers intended to have an underlying sexist message. They are more oblivious than they are malicious. It is born of sheer ignorance (lack of knowledge or information) and the privilege to ignore it because, as males, it doesn’t affect them.
Let’s put aside the dozens of articles that came out after the finale calling out the sexism. You guys know me, I like to pull receipts, cite my sources, and throw in some visuals to help aid my point.
For most of the 70+ hours of Game of Thrones, Daenerys actually does not fall victim to these sexist tropes. Honestly, that is what subverted my expectations for seven seasons. That Dany always teetered on the edge of these tired, overused tropes about women, yet she remained steadfast in her ruthless yet good nature, her moral compass was always aligned even if it didn’t match the viewers, and she was a gods-damned hero, straight through to episode four of season eight.
But the demoralizing reality is that Daenerys was hit with trope after trope in the last three episodes. In the final hours of the show, the writers pulled a bait-and-switch, giving us a ‘shocking’ heel-tern whose only foreshadowing was a very bad retcon job full of double standards. And so many fans, such as yourself, justify it. Not because the show foreshadowed it, but because these tropes are so, so ingrained in our brains from decades of media feeding us these narratives that we now expect them.
In the end, Daenerys succumbs to numerous sexist tropes:
'God Save Us From the Queen’ trope
“The Good Kingdom: A lovely, wealthy country ruled by a benevolent king, a wise prince, and a fair princess loved by the populace. But what’s that? There’s a queen? Oh, brother, we’re in trouble.”
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Disposable Woman trope
“This character has a familial or romantic relationship with a protagonist, which allows creators to derive heart-wrenching sorrow from her death.”
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Evil Infertile Woman trope
“Women are often divided into "breeders” and “the barren,” with the latter coming off as cool and distant at best, and malicious and desperate at worst.“
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The Double-Standard Trope
"A double standard occurs when members of two or more groups are treated differently regarding the same thing. Gender is one of the most common causes of double standards.”
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Hysterical Woman trope
“This trope characterizes women as less rational, disciplined, and emotionally stable than men, and thus more prone to mood swings, irrational overreactions, and mental illness.”
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Woman Scorned trope
“What’s the only type of woman more dangerous than a Mama Bear? A woman who’s been dumped or otherwise done wrong by her significant other. Especially if she’s been hiding some sanity problems.”
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Women Are Delicate trope
“Even if women have toughness, competence, strength or stability, it’s less than what their male peers are capable of.”
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The Woman Wearing the Queenly Mask trope
“They don’t want a young woman, or they don’t want any woman, or they just don’t want this particular woman on the throne.”
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Tropes in and of themselves are not bad, but very outdated tropes that are associated with the emotional or mental ‘fragility’ of women are. Why? Because they reinforce deep-seated and subconscious stereotypes of women that audiences hold.
“It’s just a show/book! Who cares!”
People have been turning to art (including literature) for years for meaning, for philosophical guidance. Most people in my own country turn to one book to both find and justify their morality (the bible).
“Literature offers not just a window into the culture of diverse regions, but also the society, the politics; it’s the only place where we can keep track of ideas.”―Reza Aslan
It’s not just a show. The art and media we consume helps shape who we are, for better or worse. When men refuse to consider the consequence of their sexist narratives simply because it doesn’t affect their own lives, it inadvertently causes harm for others who don’t share their privilege.
And it’s not just Daenerys. She’s just the figurehead.
There was a great article from BBC about how much women actually speak on Game of Thrones:
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I can already hear the counter-argument brewing…
“So what? There are more male characters!”
Yeah. There are. And that’s a problem, too.
Of the top-grossing 1,200 films from 2007 to 2018, 28% of films were led or co-led by women. Meanwhile, around 49.6 percent of the world’s population is female.
By featuring so few women and by giving women who are featured 20% of the airtime to speak their minds, the writers are unintentionally devaluing the speech and opinions of women. This inspires the audience to devalue women in a subconscious way.
Whether or not it intended to, Game of Thrones and its shocking 'heel-turn’ has very troubling sexist and political implications (amongst other things).
Go ahead, tell me I’m wrong. Tell me I’m blowing this way out of proportion.
Tell me it’s just a show or a book and every single fan knows how to separate fiction from reality (they don’t, go look at Maisie William’s Instagram comments following her season eight sex scene for proof of that). Meanwhile, here in actual reality, we see things like this:
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@thescarletgarden1990 informs me that over in Italy, political figures are using Game of Thrones advertising in their campaigns, too:
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Translation: “Invaded by masses of Others? Not Today. Immediate naval block, let’s defend our borders.”
What makes it worse is that, at least Donald Trump, identifies with House Stark. Or, those who rule the northerners. The people who showed their blatant racism toward the only two black named characters. And the writers never bothered to critique the problematic behavior, instead, rewarding their people with independence and driving those pesky evil foreigners ’back where they belong’.
I’ve barely had time to scroll my dash and I’ve already seen a troubling amount of harassment towards Dany fans via anon asks (including myself, though I just block the IP and delete but I wish I’d saved them for proof).
Why? Because the ending justifies their personal narrative, this bad writing confirms their worldview. Meanwhile, on the other side of the spectrum, the same thing is happening in reverse in response to the takedown of a figure like Daenerys Targaryen:
“Khaleesi’s heel turn is particularly troubling for fans who might have felt a true sense of connection to her character following her epic story arc, which has seen Dany escape some awful circumstances to literally walk through fire, free the slaves, bring Dragons to the north and help rally the troops to defeat the Night King. She has basically been Abraham Lincoln, Hercules and Winston Churchill combined into one person riding a dragon.” (x)
The point here is that the show is doing its audience of 19,300,000 viewers a great disservice by succumbing to very outdated tropes and double standards, and sending troubling messages as a result. For instance, a woman can do countless heroic or selfless things, but you should never trust her! She needs to be tempered. Women cannot wield power responsibly. There are endless messages you can take away from this ending and the dialogue that led us to the show’s conclusion (my personal favorite being ‘Cocks are important’).
And the fans who want to say 'you’re overreacting’ to everyone who speaks up against it are only aiding in this ongoing legacy of 85% male writers who get to tell our stories, poorly, and reap all the rewards.
Sure, all of this could be solely the result of ‘just bad writing’…
Nevertheless, it is what it is.
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