#also in the panel i shared? those ellipses do a LOT of work. if it didnt mean anything to her that would be a comma

[lemurballing]

oh i’m going to 100% back you up, and i’m surprised you didn’t call back to this moment too in 58:

“Haha, cmon now, let’s be serious.”

Why so quick to dismiss your ability to take point and guide people forwards, Tangle? Why so quick to believe you wouldn’t be able to do that?

(this got long, since a lot of my other thoughts came out - placing it under cut)

Tangle has good qualities that would make her a fine leader - she’s empathetic and attentive to others, but also has determination to go forward, and commit to her decisions. She’s also not a total zero at planning - she just doesn’t often go for it. Importantly, she’s very good at not letting the bad thoughts stop her from doing something good: issue 24, where she was stuck inevitably turning into one of the zombots she’s fighting and didn’t break down, the crisis city arc where she’s intangible and lanolin and whisper are presumed dead, but she’s still doing the best she can to get help from Tails and the group. Which she does!

But on the flip side, any of these ‘made the most of a bad situation’ victories can be played the other way:

Whisper didn’t want Tangle around because Tangle ‘failed’ to be aware of Mimic’s shapeshifting tricks. Tangle only got infected because she ‘failed’ to be on her guard in case Jewel was turned. Etc etc - the bad stuff only got worse because Tangle ‘failed’ something.

And really? It is a very interesting layer to Tangle’s character that someone so confident and outgoing - as well as a thrillseeker who enjoys rough or even potentially deadly situations, like a waterfall log ride - also has so little faith in her own abilities. It could lead to ‘overcorrection’ where Tangle feels she has to do way more than she usually does or is expected to do in order to be valuable to the team.

It also seems to come and go: only when Tangle is on her own or in the aftermath of a rough patch does this come up, and when she can distract herself with a current mission or company, she’s fine. Which keeps her going - but is also bad for addressing the root issue.

(I’ll aaaaalso mention that - both her teammates having Wisp buddies with highly destructive, easily useful powers? Not going to do wonders for Tangle’s own self-confidence that she ‘can’t keep up’. I’m torn between ‘let her partner with Whisper’s wisps like Sonic can already!!’ and ‘let Tangle befriend a little buddy for herself!’ and ‘Tangle doesn’t NEED a wisp to be valuable and giving her one would just worsen her self-esteem to attribute success to the wisp and not herself’)

Honestly, it’s just strengthening the Tangle and Daisuke Motomiya comparisons to me - at face, Tangle doesn’t seem nearly as insecure and lonely as Daisuke, but that’s because she mostly doesn’t show it. Daisuke is straightforward with his emotions, and he doesn’t hide it when he’s jealous or upset with someone, ie Takeru; he just covers it up to be polite to Hikari. But that also means thay when he’s content or happy to be part of the group, he’s not pushing things aside - he genuinely is happy. And like Tangle, they both have a sincere awe of the abilities of people around them! As well as the idea they themselves are not as capable or useful as the others around them.

The interesting thing is - from a meta-level look at IDW - Tangle’s main benefits to the comic aren’t all her physical/combat assists, but her morale boosts and sharing information/familiarity. Jewel mentions Tangle told her Amy was feeling stressed when she offers to help with the Restoration - Belle has confidence to approach Whisper by mentioning Tangle told her about her - she has that pep talk in 58 I shared a panel from that helps Lanolin get going again; gave Sonic a morale boost in 24, as well as a hug he hasn’t had in ages; was even passively giving Jewel support by sticking near in the Restoration. Tangle just being Tangle and acting like she does brings a breath of fresh air and perspective, because she tries to bring people together and keep them moving.

Last thing I’ll touch on (for now, in this post, at least) is the likely evolution of this issue. Somewhat of a consequence of Tangle finding more and more high-level baddies as she continues to involve herself with Sonic and friends - culminating in facing off against Metal Sonic and being held at gunpoint by Eggman (I could make a whole separate post about him continually calling her ‘that lemur’, almost on par with Sonic ‘that hedgehog’…) - that she hasn’t really been prepared for yet. Also possibly a consequence of more experience = more failures to mull over = worse self-esteem. Tangle in earlier issues and Tangle&Whisper likely didn’t feel as bad about this as she’s going to from now on. (And it’s even more crushing that Tangle’s desperate effort to keep her an Whisper anchored together - feeling worse and aimless without Whisper in her life, wondering why Whisper would want her around when she keeps messing up and Whisper keeps pulling away - results in hurting Whisper by dredging up those memories.)

Part 2 of me reposting my old character analyses from twitter (Tangle again lol)

I’m not saying this is canon about her, but like,

another potential layer to Tangle’s character is right there, just sayin’👀

[consulting-cannibal]

I came across your stuff (totally in love) and I'm just... a bit... confused... about you and Rob B? Like, how did that entire... thing start... ? (so many ellipses) (*「･ω･)ﾝ？

thanks! BUT I DON’T KNOW

so to finally figure it out, i’m going to sit down and actually go back to The Beginning and create a brief timeline wherein i try to work out what happened and when SO PREPARE YOURSELF (i’ll put it under a break for ur consideration)

ok so 2013: 

i went to my first (and supposed to be only) SPN con in england. i was excited about meeting friends (and…….very MUCH misha,) but deeply, deeply fell in love with R2M. still no spiral but their ability to do humorous improv on-stage murdered me

did NOT see swain perform because i was too jet-lagged and had never heard them before, i was scared i was going to fall asleep during the show

2014: 

started going to U.S. cons. did my first swain piece–which friends shared with them because i was too scared

found out the band had it saved on their phones and i died

later this year, at a swain show outside of a con that i wasn’t at, rob saw that same piece on a friend’s phone case. he showed it around, and later found me on twitter. swain was one of the first accounts to follow my small and sad twitter at the time lol

I DID THE FIRST GOD’N’GABE!! which was a result of continuing to watch r2m panels on my own accord

also this happened:

2015:

i made THE SECOND GOD’N’GABE!! rob insisted he was a fan of my work, and told me how much he’d been signing the books. he got both volumes from me throughout the year!

kings of con was announced and i BECAME A HUGE SUPPORTER

apparently there were people showing him my stuff all throughout this year because he remembers things i’ve done that i hardly remember myself

2016:

a friend and i cosplayed characters from his short film The Sidekick!! because of this film, i found out he’s a big fan of comics, and also in a really similar head space as myself

i went to my first swain show outside of a con and got……..very inebriated. the only thing i vividly remember was telling him that i was scared of him. he also asked me about the third g’n’g because he’d done a pose for it at a european con. he did not seem to take my fear seriously.

i did the Covers With Friends cover!! which he’s on multiple times! i also went to my first meet and greet, which was with swain, and he mentioned it–even though i was improperly credited. he had no idea :’u

g’n’g 3 was released at that same time!! we did an art trade. but shortly thereafter i got VERY SICK. i found out this deeply worried him and i felt v bad

KoC was released while i was in CA, and by pure chance, i was able to go to it. i felt so at home there, and knew more people than i thought ;u; didn’t talk a lot because i was scared to take up time, but we ended up standing around and drinking in the same place anyway lmao

KYLE THE DRAGON WAS BORN! found out i became a running joke in the greenroom at cons as “the one that can turn a joke on stage into a shirt and a mug that the next person in line to ask a question is already wearing”

throughout 2015-2016 i found that rob’s face is something kind and familiar to me, so i started painting him. a lot. i found this is what someone traditionally calls a “muse” but never thought that way?? i found that i suffer from chronic pain, and i just meditate when i paint him because he’s familiar 

throughout these cons, you guys have mentioned me to him on stage or showed him works of mine, and in equal parts i’ve gotten to know his music and work a lot more, too. we hang out with a lot of the same people and have some similar issues, so i think it was just a pretty natural happening?? there are more things but i think those are the highlights

(this is when i was super drunk. i……………………am like 90% sure he’s laughing at me here. again, did not take my fear very seriously)

[comicteaparty]

April 25th-May 1st, 2020 Creator Babble Archive

The archive for the Creator Babble  chat that occurred from April 25th, 2020 to May 1st, 2020.  The chat focused on the following question:

What is your warm-up routine before you write or draw something related to your story?

Page, Rambler Extraordinaire!

Honestly? I don’t have a formal warm-up, but I definitely like to have my fingers all warmed-up and ready for lots of typing! I really need to get in the mindspace for the particular image/idea being portrayed, though.

LadyLazuli (Phantomarine)

1) Seek out music that matches the energy of the page, 2) Draw some circles/spirals/hatchmarks to loosen up, 3) Pick the easiest thing on the page and finish it first to build momentum, 4) Repeat Ad Infinitum

shadowhood (SunnyxRain)

-listen to music from my playlist -read some fanfics -watch YouTube videos from my subscription -get some tea -stretch/workout -wear my comfiest clothes

CalimonGraal(Fenauriverse)

i'm also another one that listens to music before doing story stuff. (sometimes either is a favorite song/song i'm obsessed with atm or one that matches the current scene)

Eilidh (Lady Changeling)

I usually reread my comic so far and listen to some music I associate with it to get me in the mindset and excited for it

eli [a winged tale]

I have a warm up character to go to! Usually I try for some gestures before getting right back to the panels. It gets the rustiness out of the way for me!

Joichi [Hybrid Dolls]

Ooh I love your warm ups, Eli!

eli [a winged tale]

Thank you! It’s easier for me to get into a routine when I have something fun to draw first (with zero expectations)

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

I don't always need a warm up, but doing panel borders for HoK makes for an excellent warm up. It gets my brain switch gears to comic mode. Music is great, but I only turn it on for important moments (or illustrations outside of comic). There are certain moods that... recur in important moments in my story, and I have playlists for those. e.g. 'sad emotional intimacy'

eli [a winged tale]

I love how music influences our work! I would love to hear all your playlists if you have them easy to share

shadowhood (SunnyxRain)

ooooh @eli [a winged tale] i like the motion in your warmups! They're very fluid and nice to look at @keii’ii (Heart of Keol) Keii, I agree with separating playlists for moods! I usually just group them all in my favourites and mentally search for them

DanitheCarutor

Gosh I'm one of the most boring people. Lol I don't have a routine, I don't need one since I'm always in comic mode. Like, all I ever draw is comic pages. I don't have a script or anything that requires writing, so no need for a warm-up for that. I just jump right into it.

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Sounds like you live on the edge which is the opposite of boring 8)

eli [a winged tale]

^

DanitheCarutor

I dunno, it would be cool to do warm-up drawing. That would sure help for gesture/color/anatomy practice. I just don't have the time, a page takes about 4 days to finish without outside distractions, so I have to get to work right away.

eli [a winged tale]

If you can jump right in, that’s great! For me otherwise I just stare at the inks and wish it would colour itself

DanitheCarutor

Ffff I'm like that with dynamic shots where the perspective points are off the page, and I have to tape scrap paper to it, and sometimes my ruler isn't long enough. Working in a traditional medium can be such a pain in the ass sometimes. Lol

This panel is a good example.

Top view perspective lines went way off the page, I hate it.

Anyways, that's my complaint for the day.

Joichi [Hybrid Dolls]

When I draw warm ups. This was of my 'for practice' comic art. I wanted to practice the vertical scroll storytelling. A lady gets her purse string cut, and the thief runs off. Whenever I want to figure out action scenes, I do little character interactions. It helps me learn more about certain character behavior(edited)

eli [a winged tale]

Nice! Practice comics are great!

shadowhood (SunnyxRain)

yeah it's really good too!

it's also a great way to possibly have new stories/series

kinda like.....brainstorming, but applied

Joichi [Hybrid Dolls]

Thank you Eli, Shadow. I try to combine my knowledge of storyboarding, since vertical scroll sequences, are similar to that in some regards.(edited)

Holmeaa - working on WAYFINDERS

I.... Don't do warm up. I just... Start drawing(edited)

shadowhood (SunnyxRain)

dang Holmea you living the risky life

that's brave

Holmeaa - working on WAYFINDERS

I am pretty sure of my skill. Should I warm up?? Could be super to start warm ups! I check my mail, find out how we are doing online with our comic and just begin to draw. I guess since I have done it professionally as a 2d animator, and there is not really time to warm up, that I have learned to just start

FeatherNotes(Krispy)

I do warm ups for everything! though what I define as warmups depend on each creator. For me, it begins with stretches and sketching, ill doodle things i need to get out of my head so i'm not distracted by those ideas- they usually involve studies, certain character interactions, or thumbing out pieces I want to tackle later! I may sure to draw everyday to flex that too, so its also important to be able to relax those creative muscles with some pre-work!

also! my warm ups vary with what medium i work in. if Im working in watercolours, i practice fine pencil work and get my lines as loose as possible. when it's comic (so mainly inking) i do what I described above with character studies and what not

kayotics

I’m really bad at remembering to do warm ups. I should.... actually do them more, but the time I have dedicated to drawing is usually pretty limited

Deo101 [Millennium]

Because I usually finish off whatever I had been working on the day before, warmups for me are kind of the process of starting a new piece. All the sketching and thumbing to get my next idea out work pretty well for warming me up, and then I feel ready to go by the time I'm needing to do things like lines. I also get music going that fits the mood of what I'm working on, like lots of people seem to do! I also need to remember to do stretches more :/ And I usually get myself some kind of drink, tea or something, to keep me company while I work ;)

Joichi [Hybrid Dolls]

Sounds like you are pretty busy, Kayotic. Yeah warm ups can be a good practice before diving into a big illustration

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Weirdly I don't think I've ever done warmups for illustrations. Only comic work!

Probably because illustrations, I just do them whenever I feel like it, so my brain is already ready (i.e. I don't start if my brain isn't ready)

whereas comic... I can't just wait for my brain to get ready. I need to keep updating it.

Page, Rambler Extraordinaire!

Pro-tip: if you decide to not do anything and procrastinate, you don't have to warm-up!

Eightfish (Puppeteer)

hmm, can't say i've really tried warming up for art before, but i've heard it can really help! What are you guys' art warm up routines?

Deo101 [Millennium]

For me it's just kinda mindless sketching til I hit what it is I wanna be doing

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Make panel borders (not really a routine though, at least I don't think it is)

Tuyetnhi (Only In Your Dreams!)

When I do watercolor, I usually don't do warm ups unless I'm planning from thumb-> sketch ->color thumbs and figuring out local colors for watercolor then doing my watercolor flats from there

Deo101 [Millennium]

Instead of staring at a blank screen and waiting, making little circles or scribbles or drawing like. Some arms or something til, eventually, my brain thinks we're working and then it's like "ah yes! Here we go!"

Tuyetnhi (Only In Your Dreams!)

but digitalllyyyyy I shoullddddddddd

my brain when looking at my comic: "aight time to do the thingy lmao"

Deo101 [Millennium]

If I've already got a sketch waiting to go I can jump right in though

Tuyetnhi (Only In Your Dreams!)

idk, I should but my time is usually limited so I haven't done a warm up in a while lmao.

now I have the time, I probably would

Eightfish (Puppeteer)

ohh i see

like some quick sketches

i see how that can help- whenever i'm figure drawing or drawing people in a cafe or something my later ones are always better

how is making panel borders a warm up? don't you have to do that anyways?

Deo101 [Millennium]

Lines with intent! Doesn't matter what the purpose is, same kinda thing as drawing a bunch of straight lines in a row or practicing ellipses a bit

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

It's something I can do with my brain turned off. While I do it, it wakes up the comic-making part of my brain

Tuyetnhi (Only In Your Dreams!)

oh ye

Deo101 [Millennium]

Which I'd encourage doing things like drawing a ton of ellipses or straight lines, it gets your hand into the groove so you can draw stuff right the first time

Do I do it often? No But I do encourage it

Eightfish (Puppeteer)

ah i see keii

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

So for me, the panel borders can function like a warmup without being a "ritual." Kinda like if you're... say... hiking, walking from your parking spot to the trailhead can be a warmup even if it's not a ritual and is necessary anyway

Tuyetnhi (Only In Your Dreams!)

ooo that's an interesting way of putting it

... man I really should consider warm ups often. I have been touching my sketchbook less and less so lmao

I do find making small thumbs and coloring them in relaxing for me, not sure that count as a warm up but its something I like doing when planning out watercolor illustrations lol

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Relaxing/chilling/ "reward after a long day" arting is also an interesting topic, though not 100% suitable for this week's question...

I find it interesting how a lot of people seem to like, make cute ship doodles, whereas I uhhh

Eightfish (Puppeteer)

lineart is the easiest for me to do though. I don't have to think much about it

maybe i should like line a page as warm up?

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

I'll drop some examples in art share in a bit

Eightfish (Puppeteer)

ooh please do(edited)

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

That sounds like a good idea! Worth trying

Feather J. Fern

I actually read in a artist self care comic "Draw Stronger: Self Care of Artist" that you are supposed to stretch and stuff before you art so your body is warmed up for long periods of sitting. Things i draw before getting into main art, the one line challenge where you draw something using one line, gesture drawing warm ups, and always becuase it's something I recently been doing, is drawing a thumbs up on a page that I can erase later or keep in a sketchbook as in like "Good job "(edited)

Cap’n Lee (Flowerlark Studios)

I don't have a warm-up routine before I sit down and draw / write comics. Besides making a cup of coffee before I dive right in. (edited)

sssfrs (JOE IS DEAD)

I don't follow rules

snuffysam (Super Galaxy Knights)

i don't really have any warm up routines. it helps that 3d art is less physically demanding than drawing. during/after my work, i try to look away from the screen and relax my eyes every so often, but i can't think of anything i specifically do before working.

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

Another dive-right-inner here. I mean, I do loose pencil sketches before putting down lineart, but it's not like a separate warmup drawing before the real one, it's just the start of the real one.

If my brain isn't in "comics mode" and I need to get a page done...I find a nice secluded spot, sit down with the blank sketchbook, and stare at the empty paper until ideas start clicking into place. Unrelated sketches would be a distraction at that point -- same as checking twitter, just one more excuse for my brain to focus on something other than the page.

Used to do the seclusion in local restaurants( whether it's a nice place or just a plastic fast-food table), but obviously that hasn't been an option for a while :/

varethane

My warmup is working eight hours at an unrelated job l-lol

eli [a winged tale]

Haha aw that’s a mood

Miranda

Oh boy do I feel that

shadowhood (SunnyxRain)

oh that got real