#also i think kita shinsuke would like this ideology
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jihancheolover · 1 year ago
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i’m obsessed with i want to eat your pancreas’ philosophy on chance vs choice. and as many things are for me, i think kagehina is a poignant example.
when kageyama and hinata meet in the junior high match, it’s not entirely chance, yes the brackets were random but part of the reason is that hinata even bothered to create the team in the first place. and they choose to say those things to each other (main culprit “what have you been doing for the past three years?!”) which cause more conflict. they could’ve ignored each other and moved on but they chose to speak up and insult acknowledge each other (this also says something about their strong first impressions of each other! but that's a discussion for another day)
they also do not meet at karasuno by chance (although i feel this was obvious?). they both choose to go to karasuno because they admire someone on the karasuno team (the little giant and coach gramps ukai for hinata and kageyama respectively) and for kageyama there's the additional external factor of not being accepted into shiratorizawa. even more importantly, both of them chose to continue pursuing volleyball despite previous failures (hinata badly losing the only official match he’s played, kageyama’s teammates abandoning him). only a great amount of passion and persistence got them to push through.
it's not a coincidence that they can pull off the minus tempo freak quick either (again i think this is obvious but i feel i have to mention it), it's a combination of both their talents and skills which they have polished and honed for personal improvement. this makes kageyama's innate talent, years of practice and hinata's jumping talent, fearlessness, practice, an explosive chemical reaction resulting in the freak quick
of course luck is a factor and sometimes you can’t control external circumstances, but ultimately these things happen because of the choices they make. every single choice and decision we make daily has brought us to where we are today. both kageyama and hinata, after meeting each other, gain something essentially important to their lives (greater motivation, a best friend, someone who understands their batshit crazy love for volleyball and is just as passionate), something they were in severe need of (a friend and a partner respectively), they learn to become better versions of themselves and push each other to fly even higher. i truly think they would not be where they are now had they never became friends, hell maybe even if they never met.
but isn’t it nice to think that their meeting wasn’t coincidence, or fate- it’s an accumulation of every choice they had made leading up to that moment. “perhaps i’ve spent 17 years waiting to be needed by you. just like cherry blossoms wait for spring!” i think this quote rings true for kagehina as well.
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goatedgreen · 8 months ago
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this is gonna be such a nothing rant (haikyuu edition) but i keep seeing these posts on instagram that are obvious rage bait where its like "TALENT OR HARDWORK?" pitting like, a selection of characters against each other and it makes me SO FUCKING MADDDDD
the people who make those DID NOTTTTT WATCH THE FUCKING SHOW BRUH. KITA SHINSUKE DID NOT GIVE HIS MONSTERS SPEECH for you to pretend that EVERY CHARACTER on the show has not WORKED FUCKING HARDDDD.
literally my ONE issue with the show/manga before kita's appearence was this mythos of "natural talent" that permeated the bg of the show's morals/ideology. there was always the idea of "the best teams are the ones who dont give up" which is shown to be true (the best teams, as well, are also the ones who practicec the most), but at the end there would be this thing of, like, "well yeah you can practice all you want, some people will just be better", which is what a lot of people for some reason took away from oikawas character arc (ignoring the fact that this isnt what was meant to be shown but WHATEVER).
THEN WE GET MY FUCKING KING OF ALL KINGS KITA SHINSUKE here to say "yeah actually these people are fucking monsters on the court, but its NOT because they were somehow born that way. its because they WORKED to become that way." and as the audience youre like "yeah but what about oikawa", AND THEN HE PULLS OUT THE "they just WORK different. they THINK different. THAT is what sets them apart from the regular players" and you realise that the reason oikawa "loses" to kageyama isnt because is wasnt good enough, or because he didnt practice enough, but because he had the mindset that kageyama had TALENT, while he had SKILL. he FAILED to see that kageyama ALSO HAD SKILL, and that his abilities as a setter DIDNT come from nowhere.
IT IS THEN LITERALLY IMMEDIATELY PROVEN IN THE SAME MATCH, when we get the flashbacks for atsumu and osamu. ojiro (king) TELLS US, THE AUDIENCE, directly that atsumu literally worked on the skills he has FROM THE GROUND UP. atsumu didnt start as the better player, or even a particularly stand out player, but he had the MENTAL DRIVE TO BE BETTER. HE WORKED HARD. osamu was the "naturally gifted" player, but ultimately fell behind his brother because he didnt want it as much.
until kitas speech, there is this mythos of "hardwork versus natural talent" that permeates the show. kageyama versus hinata initially, then with tsukki and hinata, then with oikawa and kageyama etc etc etc. but with ONE SINGLE SPEECH, the curtain is lifted and the audience is forced to confront that every single character has worked IMMENSLEY HARD to get to the level they are at, its not a matter of natural talent.
he then says my favourite line in the whole show, which is "but if you're thinking theyre geniuses from the start, then youve lost before you've even had a match with them." and, "AND ITS RUDE" <- THAT RIGHT THERE. ITS FUCKING RUDE. CASTING OUT ALL OF SOMEONES HARD WORK AND ASSIGNING IT AS NATURAL TALENT IS FUCKING RUUUUUUDEEEEEEE.
anyway rant over but that is why i hate those fucking posts. there is not one "monster" character in haikyuu that hasnt worked hard. im sick of people saying any different because all it tells me is that they were not paying fucking attention!!!!!!
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