#also I learn from the best! (Katy basically XD who got even better defence than I lol. I'm glad a lot of players actually think like that

[fantomette22]

Alright! Like promised I have a couple of things to say and better here than in 100 tags XD

-Oh no worry I can totally understand you're not that interest in her character! For the reasons you explained but also we can't all be fans and have huge autistic brainrot about almost ALL the characters (except a bit me but especially @katyspersonal who will absolutely love and even found great interest in all the more obscure ones! 😂). We all have our lil favs ones who make us go a bit feral. And yeah tiring stuff online can be a huge turn off... (still she became one of my fav and literally fav boss before I really went to see things online too)

-But also I mean... I absolutely love her, like you can imagine, but lore wise she's clearly not one of the most important characters (even our dear Ludwig is way more important with descriptions etc) What I mean is that a lot of things are up to interpretations about her. Yes, she had links & knew very important persons and was there at important moments/lore events but we can't know the degree of her implications in everything. If she wouldn't have been around, I fear not a lot of things would have been different in the main general lore, or other people would have assume a similar role to her. We know she was important at the research hall but to what degree is not clear. Maybe she wrote very important research or had important ideas (like idk the orphanage) but it's literally headcanons and stories ideas. We can never confirm such things (maybe it was lost to time/erase but we'll never know.). I'm sorry but if we don't count the nightmare, literally the most important thing that came from Maria is somehow literally the Doll 💀 (but I will came back to it later) (also adding characters that weren't suppose to exist for the dlc can be tricky. Yeah Maria/Doll weren't suppose to be the same at first)

So yes I can quite understand why some people are just very neutral to her for a couple of reasons. (side eyed Laurence. I will die on the hill he's like one of the most important lore character)

-Aw and thank you too! ^^I have many ideas for her! I always was intrigued and eager to know what her story/backstory was, it feel so interesting! So I did It myself XD ( I literally have an entire very developed thing in my head! but also like 5+ other different origin stories 💀 that clearly can't work together fdfkn that's why I love reading people's interprets on her backstory. ).

-Also yeah Gehrman is my comfort characters too🤝 (don't ask us why the poor depressed, pathetic and very old man is one for us it's just like that).

I will always defend him I think . Like, could never hate him about the doll especially because :

In my opinion, the doll is kind of an hommage to her memory,(I know guys don't hit me yet! let me explain) What I mean is that it's more likely something to remembered she use to exist, to attest her presence? a token? (I don't remember the right words) But at least smt to leave a trace or her passage on earth. Something that would outlive him and prove that she was someone (and important for someone at least), that she used to live in this world.

Yes, people would have no idea who she was but if the doll didn't existed no one would ever know Maria used to existed/ that it was a person. The ones who knew her are all gone (or in dreams /nightmare but you see what I mean). It's more people in the waking world that would have no idea. (sorry I don't count Annalise too bc she can't really rent about her life to people XD and for all we know we only saw her in the game event. When we're link to the dream) And other records of Maria were probably lost or erased a long time ago.

I mean it's like us/ the player. We meet the doll and wonder who's she's based on 🤔 and then dlc happened but without that we'll have no clue.

Also like when men made idols / statues of their gods to show their love (there's literally statues of Moon presence and amygdala around lol well I like the idea the doll could be similar in that way).

*basically wanted to immortalize her

That's how I saw it mainly. But I like very different interpretations of their relationships as well. But the really "weird one" don't vibe with me.

And I won't get started on the doll clothes or you'll loose me for the next hour and I'm lazy to writet another entire essay on that XD but I already wrote about it. I could again... maybe. and I will try not to start on this mistranslation either. Also if the doll was dress like Maria. Wouldn't that be even more weird? 💀

Like there's so many interpretations about it too (and yeah bro have huge problems for sure! but we lack many context, explanations and details on how it exactly went done.) So like of course some are uncomfortable and you can't really justified it I agree but there's literally so many better and more comfortable ones just right there! And I mean it's bloodborne. A fromsoftware game, with dark fantasy and horror behind human comprehension. So we need to put things into perpectives like you said. I think this particular lore bit is just tragic overall ;-;

Anyway I love them. Thanks!

-Also I need to redo them because I got other ideas (and names wow!) but here's some half timeline/ half family tree draft for cainhurst, pthumerians & my fic timeline wow) I suck at editing you and others I know make prettier figures for that XD

Maria & Gehrman for the bingo! :D

(Also I just saw your banner it's so cool and fun XD! And I just saw the freaking timeline post ghjklm going insane it's so cool! I mean I have one too somewhere & I made silly family trees hcs but yours look so nice edited like this! and it really create something cohesive! very well done! 👏)

yeah Powerup who made the banner is insane like that :'} and THANK YOU that's two days on canva babyyyyy (what am i doing with my life)

if you're ok with it i'd love to see your own timeline/family trees though !! hand it over /no pressure 🫶

now for the trouble duo, oh boy

Mary

maria maria maria... mixed feelings. don't get me wrong - i have no criticism on her character, she and her role in the story are extremely interesting and nuanced, and of course she's cool and pretty, but i have this automatic turn-off with most characters who are widely popular like she is. and then i came in the fandom and saw the poor girl surrounded by discourse and it made me So Tired without even getting into it 😂 i can't fully check off "everyone else is wrong about them" because i have few thoughts of my own about her and mostly just stick with the homies' takes.

AND GUESS WHAT said homies' takes are making me want to try to get over that initial turn-off !! i'm still thinking about your post about her love for lumenflowers ! it's !! so !!! cute !!!! and it prompted me to see beyond her boss fight's ice-cool persona - it's only a glimpse of her !! there is more !!! so, it's hopefully underway.

Gehrmy

ALMOOOOST DFGHJKLM i've mentionned him becoming a comfort which i blame on my muses (hunter and laurence) ! so yeah, again, Thoughts are underway

... i don't need to expand much on the rest, i fear you know it better than i do 8''') i'd have liked him just fine as the amazing, tragic, not-quite-mentor final boss he is, but seeing all the vitriol automatically made me like him more, especially since a lot of it is of extremely poor faith X) let him rest...