#alex kister callout

[scrollypoly]

Alex Kister has made a response to the document made by Ven

The link to the document. PLEASE READ THIS DOCUMENT BEFORE SPREADING FALSE CLAIMS

Alright this is a much more concise and well written document than Ven's was, so ill be brief. Im also gonna strike out my neutrality for this, because after reading Ven's document and seeing the behavior of the accusers on tumblr, I have lost what little belief in this document that i had and belief it was made in poor faith to slander and condemn Alex on false claims.

First, the important claims. Alex did not groom anyone. In fact, Alex says that Ven and DB are older than Alex, and Ven's statements of them being in their 29s corroborates this, as Alex is only 20 years old. Stop spreading misinfo that Alex is a pedophile or a groomer

Alex hits every point that Ven makes in their document and talks through them all. He talks only briefly for how Ven went through their prior relationship, just enough to acknowledge that it wasn't a healthy relationship and that Ven also had some responsibility in how the relationship went down, especially around the miscommunication between the two of them. These miscommunications would later come up in DB's relationship with Alex as well. It is not Alex's responsibility to see through others when they communicate that things are fine when they are not. It is up to the other party to properly communicate their feelings and any problems they may be having in the relationship. Even in the screenshots from Ven's document, we see clearly that when Ven or DB express any discomfort about something, Alex apologizes and backpedals. This is good and normal behavior.

Alex also discusses Ven's intentions with this document

Literally all of this could have been solved privately and been so much better for everyone. I acknowledge and respect that Ven and DB were hurt by their relationships with Alex, but a relationship is a private matter, and problems in that relationship should be respectfully handled between those in the relationship. This document was cruel, exposing Alex's sexual discussions to the public, outting his identity as a transgender person, and slandering him with little regard for the truth or hearing his side of the interactions. This matter should have been handled privately.

One of the things i acknowledged Alex being in the wrong for in my post on Ven's document was suicide baiting. I'll let this snippet in his document speak for itself. I am undecided on how i feel about the interaction, but this gives very important insight to it.

Alex also speaks and gives more context and information about his relationship with DB. As stated earlier, DB was also older than Alex. Alex did not groom DB. The same problems with miscommunication Alex had with Ven can also be discussed here. DB was in a consenting relationship with Alex and as Alex shows, responded in kind to Alex's advances and even advanced the relationship further on my own. From Alex's perspective in this document, it looks like he and DB had a comfortable consenting relationship that was suddenly retracted by DB. If DB was uncomfortable with anything in this relationship, they should have spoken up and discussed it with Alex.

All in all, Ven's document already had a lot of flaws, and Alex's response points out many more flaws that I didn't initially see as well. Please note this response is only to Ven's document, and does not acknowledge the other allegations made by donut, mitcha, or any of the others. I assume Alex will also talk about those, I will wait and see before discussing those allegations further.

[byyliss]

The most infuriating part about this whole situation is that no one will learn from it.

It doesn't matter how many times we all go through this whole song and dance, people don't seem to ever learn from their mistakes. When the next youtuber gets accused, people will once again jump on the bandwagon and destroy their career, and when someone brings up past situations they will just go "oh but this isn't like those times". People said that in the Alex kister situation when i said on Twitter this was similar to what happened to Kwite, then boom, it is.

The reason people like Ven, Orion, and all of those liars keep showing up is because people KEEP BELIEVING THEM. They parasite off things like the #metoo movement and we all just keep letting it happen. We never learn.

Look, im glad people are open to listen to possible victims, but unfortunately we cant automatically believe them without solid proof or having both sides. This "believe all victims" thing has been compromised, its corrupted, it doesn't work. We should listen, not immediately believe 100%, this is what needs to be the course of action to make sure people like Ven dont show up again.

How many lives will be destroyed or possibly taken before we start taking a neutral stance?

Please, use the Alex kister situation as a teaching moment. Remember what happened this past weeks when allegations come out against someone else.

Don't let people like Ven use actual victim's stories as a means to harm someone.

[listenheresweaty]

Reminder that Stirringjuice/Ven themself has said that TMC is not fetish content. Kister’s works are NOT an extension of what was described in the allegations document. If you don’t want to consume TMC content anymore, fine (best you don’t— not in a way that gives Kister money anyway), but don’t spread misinformation.

EDIT: after rereading Ven’s callout document and finally being able to access ALL the screenshots he attached, I have decided that I will no longer support him. I will not go back to supporting Alex Kister yet, but I cannot support a blatant ableist transphobe either. link to annotation doc: (not mine) https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vReErDatnpQ_h3W-WlqrmzmPN26-UyDwLVwBKmHV09WhVZtdZQM44HRxvoV0ZTz8Ho-NaBVKYxjNuha/pub

Things I will be addressing:

Why I do not support Ven (separate from other victims)

Stuff that Alex Kister DID do wrong, even if the allegations were exaggerated/faked/done out of malice

The allegations and victims themselves.

WHY I DONT SUPPORT VEN

First of all, this ⬇️ (scroll down its below the blue highlighted ss. Formatting issues sorry.). This is a ss of Ven’s (now deleted, now archived post) response to how many people are calling him transphobic for his transmisogynistic comments in his document, and how he had basically outed Alex. Instead of saying something like “it wasn’t transphobic — I had to out Alex— it was necessary for the victims/proof/whatever”, Ven just says that if Alex didn’t want to be outed or subjected to transphobia, he shouldn’t have been a “groomer” (Ven later says that he had misused the word “groomer”. Everyone that Alex had interacted with in a sexual or romantic manner had been an adult, and had fully explicitly VERBALLY consented.)

However. Even if your opponent is a bad person, you do NOT have the right to be transphobic. EVER. criticize them on whatever they’ve done wrong, hold them accountable in a balanced and civilized manner— etc. Being protected from bigotry/ not getting misgendered, privacy, legal counsel— these are all examples of RIGHTS.

When you start denying something based on whether someone deserves it or not, that “something” has become a privilege. By stating that his transphobia was excused because Alex is a supposedly bad person, Ven has stated that not being subjected to transphobia is a privilege. here’s the link: (takes forever to load the keep reading portion but it works for me) https://web.archive.org/web/20240317125855/https://www.tumblr.com/stirringjuicee/745117180204548096/alex-kister-and-actively-using-being-trans-to-lure

Screenshot of the post below, along with something from the callout doc (annotated by a tumblr user. The non-highlighted color text is the annotated bit.

—— ss from ven response (click. It IS An image it just looks like text)

—- now onto some more details.

Ven, or StirringJuice, made the first allegations document against Alex Kister. He had stated himself that he does not consider himself a victim, just a friend of the victims who wanted to spread the word. Ven starts the document off by describing his past relationship with Alex Kister. He also includes screenshots of text messages from Alex— which often contradict or have no relation with what he’s saying. This is why it’s important to look at the screenshots, guys! Most of the toxicity in Ven’s relationship with Alex stemmed from Ven’s refusal to honestly his boundaries or feelings. He told Alex that he was comfortable with the sexual comments, he told Alex that he was comfortable being just Friends with Benefits, and he told Alex that they were welcome to vent to him any time <- all of this is corroborated by the text screenshots that Ven himself posted.

In Ven’s text messages, we can see him suggesting that Alex gets a therapist. Great! Nothing wrong there. And then you actually look at the ss:

(Ven is the blue. These ss are linked in the callout document.)

First of all. You cannot force ANYONE to get mental help, regardless of whether you think it’s for their own well-being. If their behavior is harming you, leave. But even the worst people on earth deserve autonomy for these kinds of things. Ven literally states that he had FORCED Alex to get a therapist, and you can see him admit it in the messages above as well.

after these ss links (labeled part 9 in the doc), Ven hits us with this absolute banger:

“[Alex] then decided to go off his meds.”

Someone had already said this, but: YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY THAT TO OR ABOUT A MENTALLY ILL PERSON. EVER. REGARDLESS OF WHO YOU ARE, OR WHO THEY ARE. it’s an insult to every mental health community.

^ also, Alex gives a pretty good reason for going off his medication. Not that they needed to.

^highlighted text is Ven’s callout post. Purple text is a fellow tumblr user’s annotations. They have a whole post with these annotations. I’ll credit them when I’m done writing out my post. [clarification: the annotator uses “she/her” pronouns for Alex, Ven uses he/him. I use they/them because Alex was never publicly OUT as she/her before they were outed, so I’m not sure what to do]

Also: please go on the callout doc and see the “pt. 11” screenshots yourself. There’s a lot of them and I don’t want to add them here, but please go see them.

^Ven hears that Alex wants to start a new chapter with them (yknow, like redeem the toxic relationship they’ve had) and immediately assumes it’s in the romantic sense.

^Alex admits that they are not ready for a committed relationship, a good first step for smoothing over any toxicity.

^nothing else to add. Annotator did great.

^ text ss as listed under the “pt. 14” link

These are 3 out of 10 ss under the Pt. 15 link. Look at the text indicated to with the red arrow (drawn by me). Ven literally tells Alex that they “don’t understand anything ever.” They also tell Alex in a later ss (plz find it yourselves because I’m not posting all 10 photos) that they “don’t understand [their] own emotions.”

Maybe Alex was making an unhealthy decision by continuing to reach out to someone they clearly had an unhealthy relationship with. But these responses are borderline abusive, especially when aimed at someone who suffers from paranoia.

A huge chunk of the entire callout doc is Ven venting about his relationship with Alex. This relationship is not abusive, it is toxic on both sides. The fact that Ven put this much focus on these barely relevant details— even when the topic was the victims, not Ven himself— suggests that he did this out of petty vindictiveness. If the allegations are true, the victims deserved a BETTER PERSON and a BETTER FRIEND to share their story. Not someone who did it purely because it was en excuse to get revenge. If it wasn’t revenge, why add all these details?? (funny thing— the whole doc. Would be more believable if Ven hadn’t added all this stuff. He destroyed his credibility before even getting to the allegations).

the one below has more transphobia and general assholery than ableism.

^apparently once you are out of the closet, you are not allowed to go back or feel ashamed. Else you are lying and manipulative. Thanks, Ven.

I am done posting screenshots from the annotation document. Please, PLEASE read it in full. I will tag it in the comments. There are so so so many good points.

STUFF THAT ALEX HAS DEFINITELY DONE WRONG, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE OR FALSE:

(Orange text is annotator, black is original doc).

Venting to/ Relying on a minor fan for mental health support (I think it was Mitchie). That’s not good.

making allusions to suicide during their relationship with Ven. Joke or not, that’s unhealthy.

ALLEGATIONS/VICTIMS:

wont say much here because I’m getting tired. some people on Reddit have been pointing out that some discord ss (not the ones I’ve shown you, those were imessage ss) look faked because there is use of military time, which is not an option on discord apparently. Other screenshots seem to use different fonts as well, further indicating forged evidence. I have fact-checked none of this and can’t verify it (not that you should be relying on my word alone, anyway).

I do not support Mitchie, since they’ve been telling people to self-harm and/or commit suicide when they point out flaws in the callout doc. I don’t care what you’ve been through. There is no excuse for that.

As for the other victims.. I find their statements fishy. However, I will not disbelieve them until more has been cleared up.

[detrahere-se]

-VENS RESPONSE

jesus christ i need a hobby but GOD this response was full of shit.

(depending on what time people see this post without seeing the original, i have copied all of the text from the doc is anyone wants it.)

i’m gonna talk about this briefly because i don’t wanna put so much time into this, but Ven EVER SO clearly admits to being manipulative, even if their wording doesn’t make it seem like that, they don’t apologize for BEING manipulative to the other ‘victims’. if anything, Ven made other people by making some of them go into an episode or similar and purposefully twisting people’s ideology and perception of their interactions with alex.

and which that is quite literally PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION. which was not apologized for! all was said about that was how they wanted to take accountability for it. uhh ven! apologies are the second stage of accountability!! “If my actions are construed as manipulative and sociopathic, then they should not be blamed for speaking out when I influenced them by starting this entire discussion in the first place. I want to be the one responsible for this.” (paragraph 16) this!! this does not seem like real accountability!!

ven does apologize for being trans misogynistic, but it seems so un-genuine that it’s crazy and my only, but best, reason for thinking this way is that when ven crumpled up the excuse as outing alex for being trans because alex groomed them, but then TOOK IT AND RAN. baby was a WHOLE ASS track star with how far they drove this idea into the ground. as a transgender individual myself, i do not forgive ven, but its not my place to give either way. it’s alexs’.

“Again, as hard as it is to believe, I was fearful that you could’ve taken your life during any of this. And I know that doesn’t make any sense because I made your worst fears come true.” (paragraph 21) god, do i really need to explain how bullshit and ignorant this is? or do we all have enough common sense and iq above the average 7th grader to understand how this is bad?

so, i’m gonna leave this off at here. i really hope alex is getting better and will continue to make content and understand their misdoings. i’ll try to answer some questions if anyone has any about the document.

[gnawer-of-table-legs]

ABOUT THOSE WHO ABANDONED KISTER

edit: apparently the WALTEN Files official twt has been going around harassing Alex’s supporters so I’ve removed Martin Walls from this list.

Now that Alex has been confirmed to be innocent— well— of the manipulation and predatory behavior, there are still things they had done wrong (and taken accountability for), lots of people are hating on those like Chezzkids, Ty Osborne, Spidey, and the others who supported Ven/etc.

Yes, if they had read the document, they would have immediately seen how fishy it was. Yes, they should have stayed neutral at the very least. Yes, they “followed the crowd.”

There is not a single person who should be debating that their decision to do as they did was immoral. They chose PR over an innocent persons reputation and life.

We shouldn’t be defending or excusing these actions, but we should also be aware of WHY they would immediately support victims.

A good part of the blame rests on the shoulders of the fans/audience.

If certain people didn’t take these events as an excuse to dox and threaten people, this wouldn’t have happened. If certain people were capable of acting like civilized human beings, this wouldn’t have happened.

People who supported DID support got harassed, threatened, and doxxed.

I do not support the ex-crew members actions, but I will not condemn them for it. They were not protecting their reputation and career, they were protecting their life and privacy. Doxxing can be deadly.

You CANNOT create an environment where a blow to one’s reputation can endanger their LIFE, and then have the audacity to act SURPRISED or OFFENDED when those people act purely to save their own skin.

[holymolywhattheheck]

"OMG u support Alex!! U support a pedo/groomer/whatever along the lines!"

THIS IS NOT FUCKING OKAY. this rant is going to be so ugly but people FUCKING DOXXXING HIM?? The document has so many shitty gaps in it. And a lot of people are pointing out it's flaws. Alex is a 20 year old mentally unstable young adult, if mentally even that. Someone who had a whole career. Only to be pushed over by someone making some allegations that might as well not be true,considering the latest edits and news.

People are fucking heartless. All this Internet drama and people believe everything they see. I'll be honest I'm petrified. I'm petrified for his health. Do people not realize how dumb it is to just immediately go "listen to victims"!!! When the victims could be lying. Just with no other side of a story, and a 27 page long document with huge gaps in it, people just love to hate. It's true that Alex was mentally ill and is. And then Ven decides to do fucking this? ADMITTING THAT THEY WANTED TO END HIS CAREER? And then mention in the document that they want no threats to him. Fuck them. And as mentioned before, Alex had a suicide scare apparently some time not a while back. And with this. What the fuck.

People love to see the downfall. Fuck those people. Actually fucking fuck those people. What the fuck is wrong with them and their logic.

This shit is horrifying. Doxxing is so so so fucking terrifying. No one knows Alexs part of the story. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT FUCKING OKAY? SPEAKING FROM A STABLE MIND.

[fl4ky-sc3nek1d]

Thiz gonna be lazt pozt abt drama

pleaze DON'T HARAZZ PPL WHO R ALEX DEFENDERZ OR ZUPPORTERZ OR VICE-VERZA

Iz fucking wrong 2 do n' don't makez u a """"hero"""" or zum zhit,FYI alex iz innocent (again not FULLY but ztill) if u don't think he iz,iz FINE alzo if u zupport alex,iz FINE if u don't,iz FINE too if u r iz defender,iz FINE too harazzment don't will rezolve nothing it will worzt MORE

i do zupport alex bc that he zuffered alzo he lozt almozt everything but u y'all zhouldn't 2 harazz me bc of that

I'm tired of theze ppl doing that zhit

again DON'T DO THAT ZHIT IZ FUCKING WRONG

goddammit thiz drama zhouldn't 2 EXIZT

[deletedeletedeletedele]

Hi! I might be late to this, but i'd really like to contribute a little bit to a certain situation happening around the analog horror community:

ALEX KISTER's allegations: the copying fetish

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This post refers to only that one aspect, since that's the one i can confidently talk about, and i'd like to spread awareness about the whole thing somehow.

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How did this come to be?

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On March 12, 2024, twitter user STIRRINGJUICE posted a google document, which consisted of mainly relationship problems and grooming allegations against Alex Kister, creator of The Mandela Catalogue, although there was another aspect of it which people were posting more and more about: Alex Kister made Mandela Catalogue around his fetish about impersonating people.

To be more clear, this meant that the creator got off to/felt aroused by the act or impersonating others and 'becoming' them.

However, this was mostly a misinterpretation from the community, since the only text on the og document i could find was this:

I think the first image is cropped, so i'll post the text: "Alex has a scent fetish and would specifically enjoy copying people’s poses because he wanted to pretend to be them. DB didn’t know at all."

We can point out two things about this:

- The only thing being called a fetish is the scent, only saying that he enjoys copying people's poses and pretend to be them.

- In the discord message, Alex only mentions that he would have loved taking pictures in those poses, which was only a vague example (A bad use and lack of evidence imo).

So far, this is the only text that addresses this at all, the rest are just: 60% accuser's shitty relationship, and 40% the grooming allegations.

Now, i'd like to imagine that users mixed scent fetish, with copying people, and got the "Copying fetish", like in these posts:

(Don't send hate to anyone here, i will erase names if asked!)

We can agree that this is a misinterpretation of the document, because of users assuming that, if Alex Kister has a copying fetish, then TMC must be a fantasy about it! (And i don't blame them, it's logical with the main themes being that demons copy people).

When i saw this, i immediately called bs, and this is the point of the post:

The Mandela Catalogue doesn't exhibit any trait of fetish work.

Why? Simple!

A very common thing in fetish work, are these two things.

Romanticize the fetish: especially for weird, and straight up illegal fetishes! They might downplay the severity, and play the scene as something normal, TMC never does this, it portrays the Alternates as terrifying because of their abilities to kill without even harming the victim physically, and their near-immortality.

In Made in Abyss, the weird scenes where the kids speak about sexual stuff is shown as a normal scene, like if it was something kids normally talk about.

Using the fetish as the main thing: this means focusing on the fetish itself and giving them too much screentime, to show them in a good light. The fetish specifically means copying another, and most of the alternates never quite copy other people perfectly, the most infamous ones are deformed, non-human appearing and most don't even copy a character we've already seen, and viceversa, we don't see much of the alternate version after we've know about the real person. (Caesar Torres and his alternate, Preacher, the scary hallway guy, and the archangel Gabriel and his Alternate, to name a few)

You might expect the fetish content focusing only on the act that involves the fetish, which leads me to my last point.

They never show an alternate actually changing into somebody else, morphing their features to look like the exact person, a fetish scene might be where the alternate is slowly morphing their features in front of the other person, to the exact same traits in front of them.

A few more points:

Mark Heathcliff, the character interpreted by Alex Kister himself, doesn't really have it's own Alternate, 'Caesar' only becoming him after Mark dies, and only like a frame, i feel like someone with that fetish would insert themselves more? I'm not sure how to explain.

If the story was about the fetish, i don't think the series would even have the biblical references.

To back up my previous point, the inspiration of Mandela Catalogue is about the creator's existential crisis with Christianity, Covid, Local58, and the Walten Files, cited by both Wikpedia and an interview.

(So sorry for taking a photo, i really struggle with my phone)

And that's all i have! If you have any more evidence or points, feel free to know and i'll add them! Any criticism is welcomed, since this is my first post and i'm not an english speaker! I know it might be weird since i'm never active and i don't post about TMC, but i just had to support this thing somehow, thank you!

[kitom-kortil]

20 is not a kid lmfao

Yes the fuck it is u insufferable prick

A kid. Not a minor, dipshit. A kid. They are a fucking kid. They cannot even legally drink you stupid pretentious fuck. They havent even been out of school for TWO FUCKING YEARS.

Im done being polite you people are fucking stupid and pathetic little sheep that are too much of a bunch of pussy fucks that dont actually give a fuck about anyone but urselves and ur righteous jerk off material.

Youre sitting here believing a post that is so fucking blatantly faked and full of bullshit because it gets you off and makes u feel big and bad and important. Its fucking fake.

Ven and DB claimed to be minors and theyre both ADULTS. Mitcha suicide baited someone. Youre pathetic and gagging on the dick of a pathetic transphobic little bitch who was pissed they didnt get their dick jerked the way they wanted cuz they failed to keep their manipulation target under their thumb so now theyre blowing up a bullshit post and making up lies cuz they want fucking attention.

Youre fucking stupid. You have no fucking brain. Cry and bitch and jerk ur dick in ur little masturbatorium and pat yourself on the back for cancelling a random fucking kid for fake shit cuz ur too fucking scared to report actual pedophiles in your fucking area.

I hope the worst possible shit happens to all of you disgusting fucks.

[xxintruderloverxx]

VEN DELETED HER TWITTER ACCOUNT!?

[mozzarella-ds]

Bro I just read what Alex Kister did and I cant enjoy anything anymore :(

I will still remake my Mandela Catalogue OCS and even make a sub thing for them. Since if I do it would be very different from Mandela. But I don't know who to trust right now. But if you want to see the Google docs heres the link for yourself

Now I'm just gonna look at cute stuff to feel better because I really didn't want this to happen as I really liked Mandela Catalogue and looked up to Alex Kister.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YwBO6haUGCKcSHBG6imFu4ox--lMK8IfE-IWYIm0Do8/edit?usp=drivesdk

[scrollypoly]

Ok, with the whole thing about alex kister rn . . . Begging yall to actually read that callout for once, cuz im only halfway through it rn but it reeks of transmisogynistic bullshit. Especially after what happened to so many transfemmes on this site

Edit: read my reblog discussing the entire document please

[byyliss]

This rabbit hole goes way deeper than any of us could have imagine

Edit: someone reported the document. We will try to get it back up

[listenheresweaty]

FINAL WORDS ON THE ALEX KISTER SITUATION

Since Ven uses they/he and not he/they like I previously thought, I will be referring to Alex as she/her to differentiate. If Alex is uncomfortable with this since her pronouns were not supposed to be public information, I will change this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaCatalogue/comments/1bn42fx/everyone_alex_made_a_response/

After reading Alex Kister’s response, and having read the language used in Ven’s callout doc (read my previous post on the matter), I am ready to say that I do not believe that Alex Kister is a groomer or predatory in any way. Victim DB— an adult AND older than Alex, like Ven— had explicitly consented to Alex’s flirting and sexual messages. There are screenshots showing this. Victim Donutqq changed their perspective on Alex only after someone told them, with little proof, that Alex’s intentions were predatory— before, they had been unbothered.

I extend my sympathies to 16-year old Mitcha for having been briefly used as a mental health crutch by Alex. I hold him completely accountable for that— but I also condemn Mitcha for the shit they’ve said on twitter. Telling people to self-harm or commit suicide and ACTUALLY DRIVING SOMEONE TO A SUICIDAL MINDSET is never, NEVER excusable (<- some people say Mitcha uses they/them, others say she/her. Lemme know).

I do not believe the grooming allegations against Kister, HOWEVER, I do not extend my full support. Although her intentions were not predatory, forming close relationships — especially romantic ones— with fans is not a good idea. She has taken accountability for this. Also, Alex had made efforts to stop interacting closely with fans LONG BEFORE THE CALLOUT DOCUMENT WAS MADE, by deleting fan-interaction servers (and possibly posting about how she was going to take a break from friendships- I think this was mentioned in the callout doc but I’m not sure). In the callout doc and Alex’s response, it is explained that DB and Ven took Alex’s attempts to change as her “hiding” from accountability and decided to start the smear campaign callout doc process.

^ss of Alex’s response. The discord screenshots come from Ven’s document as well. Please let me know if the last one is hard to read.

Alex also addressed and took full accountability for venting to her partner and an unwilling 16 year old. (Ss below)

^screenshot from Alex’s response. In short, there are things that Kister has done wrong— bad ideas, unhealthy things, etc. None, however, require her being deplatformed. And none are intentionally manipulative or predatory.

I will take a temporary break from providing monetary support to Alex in response to what she HAS done wrong, but I will not support the people who made the callout doc. The callout doc was a smear campaign.

let’s leave off with this lovely ss.

[detrahere-se]

-ALEX KISTER…AGAIN.

this one is more so about donut, which i have FINALLY finished my notes and reading the entire thing.

first off, ALMOST ALL OF THIS HAD INACCURATE DEFINITIONS OF WORDS OR NO EVIDENCE AT ALL. a big portion of the doc is simply hearsay and ‘witnesses’ which donut provides nothing for. they hide the ‘witnesses’ by letters but only mentions having them in the beginning. no statements or screenshots about these witnesses during the section about the gender server.

secondly, EVERY conversation was suddenly interrupted by donut as ‘ill fouled’ ,meanwhile, if you were to look through every screenshot, like i did, none of them could have possibly been ill intended.

not to mention, donut was extremely inconsiderate and rude about alex’s mental health that was then criticized when made the right decision. apparently, alex had made a public insta story about how he was going to harm himself which concerned many people. alex cut off communication with a lot of people in the server, including donut, who is a minor at this time, before doing the right thing and saying that he didn’t want to talk with donut anymore. donut ever so clearly blames this on alex being panicked about ven almost busying his career. which is extremely disrespectful to automatically assume when someone is trying to do their best and you just think it’s a way to get out of responsibility. (my wording is a little shit, but you understand)

lastly, a LOT of these last few paragraphs are ‘woe is me’. mentioning things about them being hypersexual, revealing info that no one needed to know for any reason, and blaming their, ‘pain, despair’ and other shit i won’t bother to go back for.

so i’m about 90% sure this is to make alex look so much worse than it is and i have even seen donut hide comments about what is, supposedly, about how their faking this stuff. but hey, i don’t know! why? because it’s hidden and i can’t show it due to twitter!!

sorgy that this was long, kinda a rant.

(also i will try to out out more horror stories i swear yall😭)

[byyliss]

You say that but in Ven's own tumblr post they said "we never accused Alex of grooming" while also claiming "don't be a groomer then" in the same post.

So what was the grooming in your definition? Because in the actual one, Alex didn't groom anyone

“alex didn’t groom anybody so he’s innocent stop accusing him of grooming” may i remind you that none of the victims accused alex of grooming. the author outright stated that the doc did not entail grooming allegations. you can exploit and harm people online without explicitly grooming them. Alex used, manipulated and showed little care for her fans, friends and loved ones. That’s still bad. He’s still bad. This is not someone who deserves a platform if he sees other people as stepping stones in order to achieve his selfish desires. Even if it wasn’t grooming in the traditional sense.