#aerea or rhaella who knows even

[notfeelingthyaster]

the thing is: jaehaerys didn't deny daenerys/rhaenys claims (the great council was a scam, he was endorsing viserys) to the throne for the "good of the realm" or only because he thought women can't rule/he didn't want corlys velaryon behind the power. he did it because if a women came upon the throne before her male brother/uncle, he would bring scrutiny over his usurpation of the far better claimant aerea.

[coveredinsun]

what i think about sometimes is that it’s lowkey crazy that it took 130 years for an eldest girl vs. younger boy succession conflict to break out into Actual War among the targaryens. i mean, in every single generation after the conqueror’s sons (in which there were no daughters at all) the eldest child of that generation had always been a daughter, but their inheritance was never formally scorned until rhaenys.

firstly, rhaena was aenys i’s eldest child, but she was quickly married off to her brother, not necessarily with the explicit intention to prevent a succession conflict, but prevention was a result; it made for a simple father-son succession with a built in queen consort.

of the next generation, there were 2 daughters elder than jaehaerys’ eldest male child aegon (who died as an infant and actually left a presumed female heir for a few years, daenerys!): aerea and rhaella. rhaella was sent away to be a septa, but aerea was even proclaimed heir! her claim against jaehaerys, like rhaenyra and daemon later, was a matter of king’s daughter vs. king’s brother. however, her inheritance was unofficially spurned, and with less publicity and outcry than rhaenys, because A) her father aegon “the uncrowned” was, as his nickname implies, never officially crowned king; and B) she was proclaimed heir by maegor, which left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth. but jaehaerys was indeed chosen over her because of the male primogeniture that put viserys over rhaenys! and rhaena, her mother, held a valid resentment over that.

and then finally after jaehaerys is crowned king and has ruled for a little while, he actually has an eldest female heir, daenaerys, for ~6 years—and her mother alyssanne specifically contended for her right to be heir! but then she dies, and jaehaerys gets an uncontroversial male heir, AND a uncontroversial male backup. but then both of those male heirs die, and like 4 of their daughters die/run away/are sent away in rapid succession (alyssa, daella, viserra, saera, maegelle) and suddenly there are TWO possible options for jaehaerys’ children, so he turns to his children’s children, and we all know how it goes.

TLDR: the dance of the dragons was not the first succession conflict based on gender. it is simply the only one that did not have a clean “wrap up” (sorry for such an insensitive turn of phrase), and thus turned into a war. targaryen women have been spurned since day 1, but it was never officially ordained until rhaenys, and never viciously fought over until rhaenyra.

[kingcunny]

I think aerea and rhaella are the the product of rape and they aren't aegon's

interesting… who do you think their father is then? im gonna go out on a limb and say maegor?

while i do Love the maegor is infertile headcanon (hes like ligers or mules. because hes a blood magic baby and not totally ‘human’) i AM willing to nix all that in favor of ‘maegor is only able to have girls’ au (ive even thought of the (xeno?)biology for it. visenya essentially did magic parthenogenesis to get pregnant with maegor. hes a genetic clone of her, so despite any primary sex characteristics, he only has xx chromosomes.)

i dont think rhaena would tell aegon uncrowned the truth about her children. its just something she and ,obviously, maegor know. kinda adds another layer to rhaena having trouble connecting and bonding with her children. maegor forcibly marrying her, shes the one person whos been able to give him a living child, even if theyre just girls. maegor naming aerea his heir… aerea maegors daughter claiming/being kidnapped by balerion…

[ladyseastar]

the tragedy of dragon twins

Rhaella Targaryen and Aerea Targaryen

Jaehaerys Targaryen and Jaehaera Targaryen

Daenerys Targaryen and her dead twin brother

Aelor Targaryen and Aelora Targaryen

It seems aside from Baela and Rhaena Targaryen, every twin born in house Targaryen truly has tragedy in their blood, with one dying a horrific death and the other remaining somewhat a shell of their former self. forever missing a part of their soul in a sense.

Some believe Rhaella and Aerea were even swapped for one another. which I think is so much more tragic as the now Rhaella will forever wonder if maybe she had stayed as Aerea perhaps her sister, the other half of her soul wouldn't have died such a tragic death.

Jaehaera is another example. She had to watch as B&C killed her twin brother, the tragedy that drove her mother to madness. She survived the Dying of Dragons but she never quit felt whole again, she was the last of the greens, and no one could truly understand how that felt for her even her grandmother was half-mad. No one ever seems to have comforted her, or thought her important enough until the end of the dance when she's the last of Aegon ii's line.

there is also Daenerys Targaryen (the daughter of Aegon the unworthy) I believe her twin is said to have died at birth, had he lived however mayhaps her life would have turned out a bit differently. She'd either had been married to her Twin as par Targaryen traditions or perhaps it would have been a case of mutual love and yet torn apart for duty as Daeron ii would have Daenerys marry Maron Martall to bring Dorne into the seven kingdoms. Perhaps Daenerys's twin brother would have joined Daemon Blackfyre's cause due to his resentment for Daeron. So many possibilities really (also I don't subscribe to the Daemon Blackfyre and Daenerys ship it just doesn't make sense to me on many levels)

Aelora Targaryen, now much like Jaehaera it's possible that she was witness to her twin brothers death, and it's stated that he dies due to an accident on her part, although we don't know what it is. the difference from Jaehaera and Jaehaerys is the Aelora and Aelor were married and much older I believe, so Aelora's understanding of subjects such as death is much more clear, and the fact that she's responsible for his death...It drives her mad. And when he dies she has to take his place as their uncle's heir she has to be what Aelor was. I can just imagine the self loathing and hatred she holds for herself... She never wanted any of it and yet now she has it. Then there's the Rat, the Hawk, and the Pig who assaulted her, that's the last straw for Aelora, and much like Jaehaera who can't handle living in a world that doesn't seem to understand her pain, Aelora takes her own life.

Ironically it's always a sister that's left to mourn for another sister or brother. Not sure if grrm did it on purpose but I always do wonder what would have happened in the situation was reversed.

(this was posted on my old account queentessarion but I accidentally deleted it sooo)

[atopvisenyashill]

in anon because I'm a coward but I confess that I love the parent-child dynamic of the targaryens, and being a incestuous family already make any relationship odd.

one of your posts about Jaehaerys and his daughters being groomed made me think about other parent-child relationships that are fascinating to me, like visenya-maegor, rhaena the lesbian-aerea, viserys i-rhaenyra, viserys ii-his three children. i wish there was more info him as a father because: he was violently separated from his family, forced to marry the daughter of his kidnapper, become a father between the ages 13-16 and by 17 he is a single father.

in my delusions 🤡 he didn't want naerys to be a septa because that would mean she has to go to oldtown, and he didn't want her to leave him like larra or aegon did

i mean you have COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE lol, i think the ones that interest me the most are similar: aligon obviously lol, visnyra (always sad that tag is 90% rhaenyra and an oc lol), rhaenyra-jacaerys, maegor-visenya, jaehaerys-daughters in general, alysanne-daughters in general (god that court was crazy lol), aegon iv-daeron, viserys-naerys, naerys-daemon, and viserys-rhaella. i think what's fascinating about emotional abuse and targaryens is that a lot of emotional abuse is like,,,,, rooted in a parent forcing a child to take on a role that a child is ill suited for, usually the role of a parent or a friend. it's not that every parent-child abuse dynamic is inherently sexual, but i guess it's that emotional abuse is meant to blur the lines between boundaries, and sexual boundaries are just a subgrouping of emotional boundaries - when you add in the incest, it's like it lays bare that thread that ties emotional abuse to sexual abuse and how those things can feed off each other. did that make sense lol.

i'm also very curious about viserys ii as a parent - i think we can assume he has some level of trauma surrounding marriages because even though larra rogare dies a handful of years after returning to lys, he doesn't remarry and doesn't have more children, even knowing how frail naerys is and knowing how insane aegon is already. i think it's really intersting that he sends aegon to braavos instead of lys when he's trying to separate aegon and naerys as well. i also feel like all the poisonings he's accused of aren't likely - why wouldn't he just off aegon then, once daeron was born and lived past infancy, if he was so cool with kinslaying? we can see aegon was a problem already, and a big enough problem that viserys is trying to send him away so he doesn't rape naerys to death - speaks to both a high level of extreme sexual abuse being heaped onto poor naerys as well as a level of compassion (however sleight) shown to a woman suffering from domestic violence that is not particularly common in Westeros. and it's interesting that he's really similar to show alicent, in that he becomes a parent at a disturbingly young age, and then basically parents his kids on his own from his teenage years and onward.

i think that's a really likely and great reading of what we've gotten from viserys-naerys so far too - that he has so many attachment and abandonment issues (i mean literally though not purposefully abandoned to die by aegon and coming so close to being sold into slavery and the who knows where the hell that horror show would have taken him!) and would force naerys to marry aegon to keep her close. it's not dissimilar from visnyra - forcing her to marry a gay man, allowing her an affair, but refusing to allow her daemon specifically because he wants to be the most important man in her life and neither laenor nor harwin are a threat to that but daemon is. so viserys ii follows in his footsteps by binding naerys to aegon, and putting aemon on the kingsguard - she'll never love aegon because he's a monster, she can never openly be with aemon because he's celibate, so no one can ever usurp viserys' position as the number one man in her life.

[sweetestpopcorn]

Hi 🍿! I just realized how religious the post-dance targ family is. Like I know Maegelle joined the faith but it seems like she was the only one so into it. At least she was the only one in her generation. But the post-dance targ family had three! (Not to mention Bealor who is a little bit 🤨) Do you think this has to do with the greens? I mean like their line died out but their whole mindset went on and influenced the Targaryens. Or are there any other factors you think lead to this situation?

Hi there and sorry for this huge delay :)

Why are you even considering the Greens when neither Baela, Rhaena, Aegon III, or Viserys II were influenced by them or spent any time with them except Baela and Aegon III when they were captive? Yes, they influenced politics in Westeros... to the extent that they solidified something that was already a practice of House Targaryen and an established custom that was only interrupted by King Viserys.

Nonetheless, please let's not pretend that any of the Greens was the thing that turned House Targaryen religious or introduced the Seven to the Targaryens because that is a blatant lie if I ever saw one.

Cases in point:

Rhaenyra is shown to value the faith of the Seven. She makes Jace and Luke swear on the Seven-Pointed Star. Aegon II - a green - shows no such behaviour so you could make an argument that she was more religious than him. She also seemed to have a particular notion regarding marriage, and vows taken.

Rhaena (Daemon's daughter) was said to pray for her second dragon egg day and night hoping it would hatch.

Jaehaerys understood the importance of religion even making a septon his Hand. Furthermore, he was quite conservative and did not take it at all kindly to know his daughter Saera had lovers prior to being married referring to her as a wh0re.

Alysanne is also shown to be quite religious, wanting to bathe in the sacred waters of Jonquil's Pool, and saying that the Mother loved her children more than she did -> using it as explanation of why so many of her children had died.

Septon Eustace had once been Queen Aemma's confessor.

Both Maegelle and Rhaella (or Aerea depending on what you believe) became septas.

The Targaryens followed the Faith of the Seven post Conquest, and even before the Conquest there was a sept in Dragonstone.

I make no secret that I am not a person who cares about religion, I don't and am mainly against it. I can however, from an objective viewpoint understand why people at times cling to it, and it has much to do with hardship, with pain, and with a desire that the unfixable can be fixed. With faith.

The children of Aegon III and Viserys II were born in a time of great vulnerability of House Targaryen, to parents who had experienced war, significant loss, and deep trauma. Many of the siblings were said to cling to each other - e.g., Aemon and Naerys, Daena and Elaena; examining their lives it is quite clear to see why they sought after comfort in religion. Just consider Naerys, she was born sickly, her mother left when she was a baby, she was raised by a father more concerned with ruling a kingdom than caring for her, learned about the downfall of their House and their dragons, was forced to marry a brother who abus€d until she died and had many miscarriages... what else but her Faith and her love of her brother Aemon and her son would keep her going?

There is also a possibility that perhaps there was some hope or faith that the gods could intervene and help to bring their dragons back. Let's remember how Rhaena (Daemon's daughter) prayed that her egg would hatch as I mentioned above.

But we do see an example of clinging to something else, in Daeron, for instance, who thought that it was through conquest and military prowess that they would regain their power.

Baelor was a... special case I would say, and without a doubt he had some severe mental illness.

In any case in the AU where we get Fire&Blood 2 I am sure many of these issues will be further explored. And impossible as it may seem, it is still more likely to happen than redacted being good or giving justice to anything we saw in Fire and Blood.

Here's to hoping and to stop giving the Greens importance they don't have in 2024.

All the best!

[nrilliree]

https://www.tumblr.com/annes-andromeda/744216734222909440/long-post-incoming?source=share

LOL

Okay, this made me so happy that I wanted to write a long post myself and I'll tell you why in a moment.

GRRM himself (you know, the guy who… well, wrote these books) said that the laws of inheritance in Westeros are not clear "inheritance was decided as much by politics as by laws" and "laws of inheritance in the Seven Kingdoms are modeled on those in real medieval history… which is to say, they were vague, uncodified, subject to varying interpretations, and often contradictory".

Which brings us to the fact that, according to the same "Andal law" cited by TG, Jahaerys should never have inherited the Iron Throne. because the law says that a daughter is brought before her uncle, right? And who was Jahaerys? He had two older brothers, Aegon and Viserys, an older sister, Rhaena. Aegon the Uncrowned was the heir of King Aenys I, and since Aegon had no sons, his heirs were his daughters - Aerea and Rhaella. Aegon was usurped by Maegor, who, having no children of his own, appointed Aerea as his heir.

So, according to "Andal law", the line of succession is as follows: Aerea > Rhaella > Jaehaerys . Just as Rhaenyra is higher than Daemon, so Aerea was higher than Jaehaerys. And they were both minors at the time.

And after Maegor's death, both Aerea and Rhaella were very much alive. So who is Jahaerys? Usurper. According to "Andal law", because with the help of his supporters he took the throne from the rightful heir. As we already know, the daughter is brought before her uncle. So again - returning to the case of Rhaenys and Viserys, according to "Andal law", Rhaenys has a stronger claim to the throne than Viserys. Jahaerys knew this, so instead of granting the throne to Rhaenys, he called a council that established what? Precedent.

And what did GRRM say in 1999? "Things were often decided on a case by case basis. A case might set a precedent for later cases…"

So tell me why:

Jahaerys may have acted against the "law of the Andals" and instead of becoming regent for his brother's rightful heir, he declared himself king.

The council could have announced a precedent in which it appointed a man with lesser right to the throne as heir instead of a woman with greater right,

But… Viserys, whom the Council had chosen as heir and king, couldn't set his own precedent and appoint his own heir? Jahaerys chose himself king. Viserys was elected king. But Rhaenyra can't become queen even though 3/4 of the kingdom supported her during the war? What would it mean for the Council to choose her? Only the Greens preferred to steal the throne rather than convene it?

According to GRRM himself succession "laws" aren't actually laws, and just like in real-life medieval history, some lords will bend and twist tradition depending on their circumstances. We don't know many things about succession. Andal succession and Royal succession are not necessarily the same and the Targaryens are not Andals, so they're not tied to that custom.

And finally: Queen Alsyanne once said “A ruler needs a good head and a true heart. A cock is not essential. If your Grace truly believes that women lack the wit to rule, plainly you have no further need of me.”

Cytat GRRM: link

[horizon-verizon]

Jaehaerys and the Domestication of Dragons vs HotD Episode 7

To those who tried to be all like "Baela and Rhaena should have known that you can't steal a dragon!"...

Did you know that Jaehaerys himself said Saera tried to "steal" a dragon? That he explicitly said this?

"Policy, Progeny, and Pain":

Not to say that you can "steal a dragon", but I consistently said to people who tried to defend Aemond's actions against the girls by saying that the Targs have essentially [negatively] domesticated their own dragons and parallels [not the exact same in quality or way, but there is more to it I won't get into here] the sort of confinement or isolation they have done towards Saera or Aerea, Maegelle, Rhaella, etc., so that the girls grew up with the idea that dragons are in the same category as a possessed animal. Thus, how could they be burdened with a greater ethical responsibility than Aemond, who:

who never even met or interacted with his female cousins before that day (yes, they are first cousins), decided to mock them hours after their mother's funeral in his after-first-flight high and in his dismissal of the Velaryon boys (redirected anger)

knew Rhaena would try to claim Vhagar, so we can't say that he wasn't tricking someone by going down to the beach in the middle of the night when everyone else (esp those kids) would be reasonably asleep--especially since he'd have known his parents neither would have approved or allowed him to endanger himself this way

That is, to say, that Jaehaerys also saw dragons as in the Targaryens' "possession". The idea was "institutionalized" in the Targaryen monarchy as the Targs had developed & maintained it for generations.

The post I refer to. [scroll down to "A) The Domestication vs Partnership of Dragons"]

[sarcasticsweetlara]

Queen Alyssa Velaryon's Crown

Alyssa Velaryon was an interesting woman for sure, one of the most important women of Westeros and even in the Essosi continent.

Mother of two dynasties and a warrior till the end no matter what others say about her.

Alyssa was the granddaughter of the famous Daemon Velaryon who had helped in the Conquest and was friends with the Conquerors, Alyssa was the daughter of the powerful Aethan Velaryon with his wife Alarra Massey - who presumably had a Targaryen mother as that would explain why the Masseys chose to side with the Targaryens instead of Argilac or Harren, also Fire and Blood, AWOIAF, and Rise of the Dragon mention Alyssa having Targaryen blood-.

Alyssa Velaryon having Targaryen and Velaryon blood gave her a unique status which made her get married to Aenys, she was considered lovely and smart and we see her children having those traits as Rhaena, Jaehaerys and Alysanne (Aegon was as well and surely Viserys too but we got too little time with them) and also her willfulness got to Alysanne who due to Alyssa's mother Alarra Massey who is certainly the daughter of a Targaryen woman, had honey hair and clear blue eyes, and very probably her son Viserys and last daughter with Aenys, Vaella as well.

Her aqua blue crown represents her "blue-blooded" Valyrian blood, and the beginning of an era in which the Velaryons were the second most powerful House in the realm as they dominated the seas and the silver details the silver coins the Velaryons had, also it would be beautiful to parallel the curves of the crown with those of waves.

Alyssa was so brave, determined and focused on her and her family surviving that she helped establish her son Jaehaerys' reign and now, even if her Targaryen descendants are fighting for the crown - Daenerys and Jon too even if he doesn't know it-; she still has descendants spread around Westeros through her daughter Jocelyn Baratheon's great granddaughters Baela and Rhaena's own descendants, and probably Houses from the Reach and Marcher Houses as well.

She went from being the daughter of the Lord of the Tides to Queen Consort and Regent to Lady of Storm's End.

Alyssa Velaryon deserves more recognition for her hard work as queen, mother and person.

Alyssa herself anointed her son Aegon as the Prince of Dragonstone and championed for him to be declared king, and she was the one who always knew Aegon was way stronger than his father Aenys.

Alyssa had to make the hard decision of potentially risking the life of her son Viserys in order to save her youngest children, she rose in rebellion against Maegor even if it risked her granddaughter Aerea because this is the heritage for which her son Aegon the Prince of Dragonstone died fighting and the very same dynasty her family had helped build as both the Velaryons and Masseys (due to Alarra being the daughter of a Targaryen lady) played a pivotal role in the Conquest, the realm that her husband Aenys even if unsuccessfully tried to keep together.

Alyssa always defended her children and her goal was for them to be safe, live and have the inheritance that belonged to them, because Alyssa had Targaryen and Velaryon blood and she knew it was a coup what they were doing to her and her children.

Alyssa could not vouch for Rhaena's claim because Rhaena had been held captive and forcefully wed to Maegor, if Alyssa tried to do it, Maegor would not doubt in killing the three of them: Rhaena, Aerea and Rhaella.

Everything Alyssa did was to protect all that was left and that she at least could be sure could still be saved.

Alyssa became stronger with time, and as the Lady Consort of Storm's End she raised her son Boremund to be fair and kind (sadly Borros was overly fool) and to be loyal to his siblings, she commanded the Stormlands well enough for her to gain respect and had Alyssa survived she would have loved Jocelyn and counseled her on how to be ready to become a Royal Consort and the future Queen of Westeros; Alyssa could have also been there for the wife of Boremund (my headcanon is that Boremund married a Velaryon as well) and help raise Borros.

Alyssa's tiara as the Lady Baratheon would have been passed to the wife of Boremund and then to the future Ladies of Storm's End.

[sshireens]

7 & 12 for asoiaf (books or got, I don't care which I just want to see the hot takes)

THANK YOU MISA!! 💓💓💓

7. what character did you begin to hate not because of canon but because how how the fandom acts about them?

oddly enough i typically always end up liking characters the more i see content of them.. actually thats not odd i think that’s science. BUT! robb stark……… its not that i Hate Robb Stark um but i think fandom perception of him is very bad and people want him to live too much. Love that boy, but i love him dead! 🫶 much love! like the more i see people talk about him im just like god can we move on already who cares. he fulfilled the narrative purpose and that was what he was meant to do. yes i cry thinking about the red wedding but thats besides the point. robb stark gets a 2/10 on the Sshireens Rating Scale because some people ruined it for everyone else

i answered #12 here but i’ll copy and paste it!

12. the unpopular character that you actually like and why more people should like them

what qualifies as unpopular. also what do we consider like. because i consider like as in ‘this is a fun character to see interact with the world’ and NOT!!!!!!!!! ‘i support this guy’. just to clarify for any other viewers at home. a character ive seen a lot of people Dislike but i think deserves to be heard out is criston because he’s funny and thats it thats why everyone should like him. but i dont consider him unpopular? hmm tough tough …… will i get flayed if i say larys like i mean he’s just sick i love wondering what is going on in that head. in regards to characters i think are not given enough attention: jaehaera targaryen. ‘she’s a little girl shes a non-character’ SHUT UP. she’s a little girl exactly. she didn’t get the chance to be her own person she is alicent’s pain helaena’s pain and her own. GOD MY BABY GIRL….. she names her dragon death…… AUGH DONT EVEN TALK TO ME DOONNTTT EVEN. um also rhaella, daughter of rhaena the lesbian AND! mother of daenerys. bc first of all rhaella and aerea switches thats true. so like. rhaella septa rhaella wondering if that was meant to be her. wondering if maybe it would have never happened if she hadn’t traded places. is it kinder to force her twin into the faith or to let her die? Augh. also daenerys’ mommy just… why dont we know about her i need more people on here like me willing to band together to make up canon. i guess thats not really a reason why people should like them. ALSO SHIREEN BARATHEON I DONT KNOW IF YOU CAN TELL BUT IM THE BIGGEST SHOOTER FOR SHIREEN THATS BABY THATS MOTHER THATS THE PRINCESS THATS MY DAUGHTER THATS ME I LOVE HER SO BAD OH NY GOD SHIREEN PEASE COME HOME THE PEOPLE MISS YOU. and i know everyone dgaf about baby boy bowl cut brown boba eyed broken bran. but i gave birth to him. and thats why you should like him.

[daenystheedreamer]

I am going insane over the omeagorverse is it possible that we could hear more about Jaehaerys 2 electric boogaloo and Maris the lesbian kids?

ABSOLUTELY for you, everything 🫶 love the pfp btw<3 my apologies this is late i drafted it and it got lost :(

so each descendent of the cursed maegor bloodline gets one fucked up deformity 🫶 jaehaerys got little nubby horns (very small hidden by his hair) viserra got a forked tongue that the maesters quickly and quietly stitched up (she cuts it open again later for the vibes) and daenys got stubby wings and a vestigal tail (maesters cut them off). u know the descriptions of targ stillbirths its like What if that sorta 'leaked' into the live births >:)

aegon and aerion the twins do the jacob and esau gripping the heel thing >:) and aegon comes out with a portion of his leg/heel blackened and scaly, with aerion gripping it and the hand is also blackened and scaled. FUN! and later on when theyre older and the mommy's favourite vs daddy's favourite drama is settling in maris considers doing a aerea/rhaella twin swap and even gaslighting the kids into believing it but the scales mean she can't :(

aegon walks with a limp and uses a cane and aerion wears a glove over his scaly hand. aegon is pissy about it because his deformity affects his health more than aerion's does and aerion is pissy cos he had to learn how to wield swords differently he had to figure it out himself Plus add into how he got exiled to essos when he was 14 yeah he's mad about having to REALLY learn to fight. so he thinks he's actually worked hard to become a fighter he actually put in work as opposed to his brother who is crippled and just GETS to have the crown. the heel+hand are also slightly burned as if in the womb aerion tried to burn his brother...

helaena had stubby wings like daenys <3 they got cut off when she was an infant as well. bled real bad though cos they were more developed than daenys' had been. she was kept hospitalised for ages after birth and it freaked everyone out but she survived. they had to cauterise the wound so she has very large and shiny burn scars on her back. jae also ordered the procedure while maris was still in childbed and a little delirious without consulting her. So that caused a bit of a rift. it also made jae+maris treat helaena as their specialist little baby girl who must always be protected.

daenerys has webbed fingers and toes like dragon wings >:) she's the one who married corlys so she gets called a mermaid. they didnt get cut off because they were sort of normal enough to not get noticed + its a trait some people in westeros are described with + maris was like yeah im not going through that horror again (she is going to go through horrors again). daenerys is the kid who's most normal about her Weird Quirk she's like it makes me swim better it makes me cool and sexy

viserys got a vestigal tail also like daenys<3 only this time it was actually a little prehensile. so again maris said i am NOT cutting that shit off. but after a few years they're like ight we can't hide this it's going to cause problems in court it's going to put our legitimacy and supremacy into question. So they cut it off when he's like 5 or 6 ^_^ it's very traumatic and painful. like they drug him up but that makes it worse cos now the memories are muddled and scarier and he hallucinated a little bit. and maris and jae couldn't bear to watch the procedure so he was alone surrounded by maesters (who already have FUCKED vibes). daenerys snuck in and held his hand for a while before getting kicked out :)

maegelle gets slitted pupils like a dragon's eyes :) obviously cant be removed... it's so obvious too and can't be hidden or explained away so maegelle is treated very differently by everybody than her siblings cos she just looks odd. has to learn to avoid eye contact 🫶 socially induced autism. she also sometimes wears a veil partly as a modesty faith thing but it doubles as a way to hide her face. she likes cats because they have the same eyes as her<3 she has three pet cats named nightshade (black cat) moonbloom (white cat) and frostfire (orange cat). if the warrior cats books existed in westeros she would have been fine...

@honestly-i-just-like-mythology  sincerest apologies for how late this must be 🙏 i lose things in my drafts bcos i want to make sure theyre as fun as possible and then it just flutters away from my mind

[politicalmamaduck]

for your ficlet collection: i'd lvoe to see your take on either of the alyssas, the first rhaella, or daenaera.

Dear Anonymous, I hope you like this! I'm still definitely mulling your other suggestions as well <3

Septa Rhaella

(Read it on AO3 here.)

The sept was quiet. It was a quiet unlike that of her bedchamber at night, where she often awoke to find her arm outstretched for a sister who was not there.

Who would never be there again. 

Each day she prayed the same prayer over and over again. 

Mother Above, have mercy on my sister. Let her rest in peace, oh Blessed Mother.

Gentle Mother, strength of women, have mercy on my mother. Please ease her burden of grief.

Her mother was due for her yearly visit soon. She loved her dearly, and prayed for her each day, but each time her mother visited, she had to contend with the swirl of memories and resulting pain. 

She could tell no one the truth of what happened, not even her mother. Many had guessed, and even threatened her life for the truth, but she would stay silent until the Stranger took her to her eternal home.

It had been ten years, but she still had to remind herself not to refer to her sister as Rhaella even in prayer.  

It would have been easier if her mother never visited. If her sister hadn’t been so reckless. 

But if her sister hadn’t been so reckless, she never would have survived.

Septa Rhaella was no longer a princess. She was never meant to sit the Iron Throne. 

Instead, she served the realm as best she knew how. She attended her studies and prayers as a model septa, and only spoke when spoken to. 

No one would ever know about her hand reaching for her sister in the darkness, about the tears staining her pillowcase. 

About the half of her soul that was ripped away the moment her sister died. No one knew Rhaella like Aerea, and no one knew Aerea like Rhaella. 

Now neither of them existed. 

The septa rose from her kneeler and left the sept before someone saw her crying.

[angiiiiexx]

Rating all the targaryen in f&b (book only)

Daenys the dreamer 7/10

- saved house targaryen

- predicting the doom is pretty crazy imo

- not really anything other interesting tho

Aegon l, the conqueror 8/10

- pretty cool and interesting

-bwould love to see a conquest show

Visenya Targaryen, the conqueror 10/10

- there's so much stuff about her I'd like to know (her relationship with rhaenys and aenys for example)

- she did so much for house targaryen

Rhaenys Targaryen, the conqueror 10/10

- her death made me kinda sad :(

- her bond with meraxes is so cute

- ancestor to all targaryen (mother)

Maegor l Targaryen 5/10

- was important for the future of their rule

- pretty interesting

- he's a bad person, tho so not a big fan

Aenys l Targaryen 6/10

- he seems like a nice guy but wasn't a good king

- not much to say about him

- his bond with quicksilver was probably cute, similar to his mom :(

Alyssa Velaryon 5/10 (not a targaryen, but I wanted to put her)

- not much about her

- her death made me put down the book

Rhaena Targaryen 10/10

- enjoyed reading about her

- deserved better

- wlw icon

Aegon Targaryen, the uncrowned 7/10

- I really like him

- his death made me sad and looking at pictures of it makes me feel uneasy

- he deserved better

Rhaella Targaryen, daughter of aegon the uncrowned 1/10

- forgot about her

- I do like that picture of her and aerea

Aerea Targaryen 7/10

- her death is the worst thing in f&b imo, made me stop reading for a couple hours

- I really want to know what happened to her (why did she claim balerion, where did they go?)

-very memorable

Viserys Targaryen, son of Aenys 8/10

- he's my fav irrelevant targaryen

- didn't know he existed until he died but his death stuck with me

- deserved so much better

Jaehaerys l Targaryen 6/10

- great king but bad father

- reading abt him bored me as he got older

- I wanted to know more about alysanne

Alysanne Targaryen 8/10

- liked her a lot

- deserved better

Daenerys, daughter of Jaehaerys 6/10

- she was cute and her death shocked me

- bonus points for the name

Aemon Targaryen 9/10

- he would have been such a great king (even better with baelon as hand)

- deserved better

Baelon Targaryen, the spring Prince 9/10

- would have also been a great king

- him and alyssa made me giggle, they're so cute

- I love his and aemon's relationship

- deserved better

Alyssa Targaryen 10/10

- her personality stood out to me

- she's so silly I love her

- I wish she hadn't died (baelon would have definitely gotten his own little army)

Maegelle Targaryen 1/10

- I forget about her

Vaegon Targaryen 0/10

- he's boring and I hate him

- was an asshole and a maester 🤢

Daella Targaryen 7/10

- not much about her

- her marriage and death made me cry a little, idk why (she deserved so much better)

Saera Targaryen 6/10

- I liked reading abt her

- made me dislike jaehaerys

- she and viserra remind me of my younger sister for some reason

Viserra Targaryen 6/10

- I kinda forgot abt her until her death

- I felt bad for her

Gael Targaryen 6/10

- irrelevant

- her death is so tragic tho

- she deserves better

Rhaenys Targaryen, the Queen who never was 10/10

- my queen (fuck you jaehaerys)

- I enjoyed her character a lot

- her death was sad but also kinda cool

Viserys l Targaryen 5/10

- he was okay

- let the dance of dragons happen

- other than that he had a pretty solid reign

Daemon Targaryen 7/10

- very interesting to read abt

- has his flaws and weird aspects

- his death is so fucking cool, if I was a dragon rider and I would want to die like that

- can't really decide whether I actually like him or not

Aemma Arryn 6/10

- not much abt her but she made me sad

- her dying like her mother was so cruel

Laenor Velaryon 5/10

- I don't remember much abt him

- gay icon

Laena Velaryon 10/10

- she's really interesting and I like her a lot

- her friendship with rhaenyra seemed so cute

- I was excited about her getting adapted, I wanted to know more abt her

Rhaenyra Targaryen 9/10

- my queen (fuck you hightowers)

- I felt so bad for her

- did not deserve any of the things that happened to her

Aegon Targaryen, the elder 0/10

- rapist and usurper

Helaena Targaryen 3/10

- I forgot abt her until b&c, then forgot abt her again until she died

- deserved better

Aemond Targaryen, the kinslayer 0/10

- misogynistic piece of shit

- feel kinda bad abt the eye tho

Daeron Targaryen 4/10

- had like one interesting line

- was disgusted by what happened at tumbleton

- that the only thing I remember abt him

Baela Targaryen 9/10

- she's so cool

- I want to see more of her if f&b2 ever releases

Rhaena Targaryen, daughter of Laena 8/10

- I really like her

- she has the prettiest dragon

Jacaerys Velaryon 8/10

- interesting characters during the dance

- his death made me sad

- would have been a great king (with baela as queen)

Lucerys Velaryon 5/10

- not much about him

- how/why does a 5 year old cut out the eye of a 10 year old?

Joffrey Velaryon 6/10

- only thing abt him is wanting to protect dragons and avenge his brother :(

- his death was not nice to read about

Aegon lll Targaryen 8/10

- everything abt him makes me sad

Viserys ll Targaryen 7/10

- I was suprised when he came back

- that scene made me cry out of joy it was so cute, one of my fav moments in f&b

Jaehaerys Targaryen, son of Aegon ll 2/10

- irrelevant

- pity points

Jaehaera Targaryen 5/10

- her death suprised me

- she would have probably been "happier" if she wasn't married to aegon, that was not a fair marriage to either of them

Maelor Targaryen 3/10

- irrelevant

- his death is quite memorable tho

That's it

[lemonhemlock]

I'm the prev anon, I'm glad you like the theory! It also just hit me like lightning when I was thinking about Maegor and if he was motivated by prophecy, and then suddenly it dawned on me, "what if Maegor is why the prophecy is only told to heirs?" Because I did see a lot of people talking about the HotD prophecy thinking it didn't make sense for only kings and heirs to know about it, because of both how Maegor messed up the line of succession and the question of what if something happened to the king before they managed to tell their heir? It seemed like an inefficient and flimsy system for something that seems so important, but idea that Maegor's usurping the throne was what caused that system in the first place makes a lot of sense to me!

You also brought up a good point about how it's probable that whole Targaryen family might have known prior to Maegor. Beforehand, people were asking how Jaehaerys I was able to know the prophecy when only the heirs were told, despite Jaehaerys never having been officially named heir, I thought it was either his mother Alyssa Velaryon or his sister Rhaena who told him, because they were told by their husbands who were both named heirs. But honestly? Maybe Aegon I just told them all lmao. Maybe Jaehaerys and Alysanne knew all along, because at that point in time the whole family was close enough that they thought they could just keep the secret. And it was only afterwards when they started having children that they established the tradition to only tell the heirs. It explains a lot, I think.

It also adds something to Viserys and Daemon's relationship in the show, and the fact that Viserys didn't tell Daemon about it. It shows that Viserys never really saw him as worthy enough to be his heir, but is it because maybe Viserys was a little afraid? Did he fear that Daemon knowing would cause him to try and usurp him? They do have some similarities to the brotherly pairing of Aenys and Maegor, so did Viserys fear the same thing? (Which is ironic, considering that I do genuinely think that Daemon would never overthrow his brother, even if he did know)

Finally, a tiny question I've also been pondering: do you think Aemma Arryn knew? Obviously very few people being told was supposed to keep the secret secure, but I feel like maaaaybe Viserys would have trusted her enough to tell her about it. Maybe her knowing could have been intended to be a back-up in case something happened to him. Could also add something to their relationship as well.

Hello again! I also think it's probable that Aenys just told all of his children and his wife. Makes more sense if everyone knew, as opposed to Aenys only telling Prince Aegon. Then Aegon must have broken the system for some reason, went rogue and told Rhaena. So far in the dynastic history, I don't see any reason why Egg 1 would decide to gatekeep this information within his own family. Succession was supposed to happen in accordance with normal Andal customs: Conqueror -> eldest son Aenys -> his eldest son, Aegon. Maegor was the one who upset this balance, since he was way down the line, behind Prince Aegon's children Aerea and Rhaella and, after that, behind all of Aenys' other children. The audacity, right?

RE: Daemon - perhaps it's true that Viserys never really saw Daemon as his heir. But I think that was borne more from this genuine, stalwart, blind belief he had that he was going to get sons eventually. Like that dream visited him at one point and he became 100% convinced by its validity - though it's debatable whether it was an actual dragon dream (he has had none other than that one - seems suspicious) or just a regular dream he put too much credence in, because he wanted so, so much to be a dragon dreamer himself. So, in that sense, maybe it explains more how he wasn't really bothered about Daemon's shenanigans and was so indulgent with him. He can misbehave all he wants, he's never going to be King, so what does it matter? Let him have his fun, right?

RE: Aemma. Hmm. Honestly, this could go both ways. Viserys would be the only way for her to find out - Daella dies in childbed and no way would Alysanne have a reason to tell her, I don't think. I could see Viserys both keeping to "the system" (lol) - if Jaehaerys told him on his deathbed, after the Great Council of 101, and impressed upon him the necessity of the king-to-heir pipeline. I can also see him confiding in Aemma, since he did love her, and this making her more resolute towards "doing her duty" and producing a son for Viserys - to echo her words to Rhaenyra about how the birthing bed is their battlefield.

It's interesting to think that Rhaenys could have known, too! Aemon was the heir for years and she was his only child - 18 when he died, married and pregnant. On the one hand, if she knew, she must have not told her children for some reason, because Laena would have told Daemon if she knew. Anyway, this is just show-only. Textually, Daemon could have very well found out via the Laena/Rhaenys pipeline.

There is also the question of how Aegon III found out so as to pass it on - Rhaenyra must have told him after Joffrey died and they fled King's Landing, just before she met her death on Dragonstone. What a roller coaster!

Of course, in the books, GRRM can decide to make the secret less gatekeep-y according to the needs of each generation, so as to make sure the prophecy does somehow pass on to Rhaegar - who was nothing if not prophecy-obsessed. But Prince Viserys never gets told and, thus, he can't tell Daenerys in turn. We don't know what Lyanna knew and what she told Ned, since Ned never specifies in his POV and, most importantly, never tells Jon. BUT. Perhaps he told Howland Reed?

It would make sense that the history books haven't recorded this, since the maesters writing the histories wouldn't have been in on it.

[stromuprisahat]

And thus it was there at Casterly Rock that Princess Rhaena gave birth to Aegon’s daughters, twins they named Aerea and Rhaella. ... The maester at Casterly Rock who helped deliver the children tells us that afterward Princess Rhaena begged the prince her husband to take them all across the narrow sea to Tyrosh or Myr or Volantis, anywhere beyond their uncle’s reach, for “I would gladly give up my own life to make you king, but I will not put our girls at risk.” But her words fell on stony ears and her tears were shed in vain, for Prince Aegon was determined to claim his birthright.

...

When word of the battle reached the west and Princess Rhaena learned that both her husband and her friend Lady Melony had fallen, it is said she heard the news in a stony silence. “Will you not weep?” she was asked, to which she replied, “I do not have the time for tears.” Whereupon, fearing her uncle’s wroth, she gathered up her daughters, Aerea and Rhaella, and fled farther, first to Lannisport and then across the sea to Fair Isle, where the new lord Marq Farman (whose father and elder brother had both perished in the battle, fighting for Prince Aegon) gave her sanctuary and swore no harm would come to her beneath his roof.

...

... If Prince Aegon had truly been the king, by law his eldest daughter, Aerea, stood his heir, and might therefore claim to be the rightful Queen of the Seven Kingdoms…but Aerea and her sister, Rhaella, were barely a year old, and Rhaena knew that to trumpet such claims would be tantamount to condemning them to death. Instead, she dyed their hair, changed their names, and sent them from her, entrusting them to certain powerful allies, who would see them fostered in good homes by worthy men who would have no inkling of their true identities. Even their mother must not know where the girls were going, the princess insisted; what she did not know she could not reveal, even under torture.No such escape was possible for Rhaena.

Fire and Blood (George R. R. Martin)

Rhaena Targaryen, twice Queen, never ruling. Bold and smart, more capable than her brother-husband.

[the-great-ladyg]

5) what’s the dumbest thing you’ve heard about your f/o, either on the internet or irl?

Hello! Sorry for taking so long on this one, but here I am at last. For this one I'll use Maegor, I have to rant about him.

5) what’s the dumbest thing you’ve heard about your f/o, either on the internet or irl?

Oh, this is going to be long, ig

TW: Violence, domestic violence, rape

"He was the worst king in Westeros history"

Okay, let's start: 🩸🐲 was not the worst king

He did some wrongs like killing ONE of his nephews (the other one was Tyanna's doing) or continue a war that wasn't ending, but he also did some goods like starting the process of disarming the Faith or uniting the realm under one cause.

Don't forget many of the things said about him were rumors (like when he killed a cat the first time he held a blade, or that he killed people from the smallfolk saing they were Warrior's Sons and Poor Fellows), or were Tyanna's actions (the death of Viserys, the kidnapping or Aerea and Rhaella, and the death of Jeyne Westerling and her son, and the stillborn baby of Elinor Costayne).

Now, people say Maegor's killing of every architect and person who worked on the Red Keep was cruel. Okay, what would you do? Those people knew the secrets of the king's castle, they could easily reveal any secret entrance and have the king killed. Even if he decided to cut their tongues and break their fingers, smallfolk would still say he was cruel.

Besides, there have been way worse kings than him, I'll give a few examples:

His brother, Aenys I. Aenys was a terrible king, he couldn't decide on anything, even if his kindom or family were in danger. Rebels trying to rise and get independence? He can't decide who to attack first. The Faith has his eldest son and daughter as hostages? He can't act bc he doesn't to act on undoing the marriage or attacking the Faith. And he made the worst decisions when he acted, like marrying his children with one another or sending his brother, his most powerful supporter since he had Balerion and both Targaryen swords (and he didn't try to take the throne from Aenys) to exile, sending away his most valuable protection from the Faith. Dude died from a stomach cramp lol.

Aegon II. This dude was an idiot who only wanted to act and kill, no negotiation, the only times he decided to negotiate were because his mother, grandfather and wife convinced him to do so, even 🩸🐲 could be reasonable at times without someone talking him to do that. He was an usurper since his father never named him his successor, and this dude only lasted two years as king, and those two years he had to fight in a war he started by taking the throne. The bloodiest civil war in Westeros' history happened because of this man.

Baelor I. Okay, maybe I'm kind of anti Faith of the Seven, but you have to agree with me on this one. This dude trapped his three sisters in the Maidenvault just to keep them as virgins, don't giving a shit about their consent, and that didn't stop Daena from giving birth to a bastard. "Oh, but he gave to every person a loaf of bread", yeah, and he also outlawed prostitution, burned books, did stupid things like "I'm granting tax exemptions if you put a chastity belt to your maiden daughters", named a child as the fucking pope. He was a fucking septon but didn't disolve Aegon and Naerys' marriage even his cousin was suffering and almost dying after every pregnancy. Hell, Baelor would have started a holy war against the North and the Iron Islands to convert people to the Faith, if he didn't starve himself to death.

Aegon IV. Anyone who know his story knows this piece of shit is an useless king, no wonder he's remembered as "the unworthy". He wasted lots of money on favoring certain lords, on trying to conquer Dorne even when his son Daeron was married to princess Myriah. He raped Naerys, don't doubt about it, he killed his sister by forcing her to give birth to all of his sons, and after she and his brother Aemon died he said Daeron was Aemon's son in a tantrum, and it's said he killed his father Viserys to become king. Aegon had sons and daughters with any woman he desired, and he decided to legitimize all of them before dying, because of this piece of shit there were the Blackfyre rebellions that brought death and despair for almost a century.

Aerys II, you know, "the mad king". We all know why he was a terrible king. He tortured and burned people for the most stupid reasons, he raped and beat his sister Rhaella multiple times, the Targaryens lost their most valuable ally, Tywin Lannister, after Aerys threw tantrums over his own stupidity to rule, he caused the fall of House Targaryen because he thought it was a great idea to kill several Northman lords and their sons, including Ned's father and brother.

Honorable mention: Joffrey I Baratheon, you know why.

🩸🐲 is considered the worst king of Westeros because maesters, the Faith and the Hightowers were angry at him, and these people are the ones who write down the story, of course they would say the worst things about him this way "Yeah, he drowned puppies when he was four years old... but that's a rumor".