#adoradeservesbetter

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Thoughts on Adora as a character?

I really like her! I like howher trauma actually get explored before it becomes the catra show. I like how it shows her gulit complex. She's a really complex character! Or she was after season 5 reduced her to "Dumb jock!" because they didn't have enough time for complex character since they had to make room for their cute little meow meow.

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literally almost every girl but the writers chose her abusive sister

Characters that are better for adora than catra

Let me know if theres more

[blonde-and-cat-suc]

WAH

[dougydoug8797]

https://www.tumblr.com/adoradeservesbetter

These two anti Glimmadora Stan(@anti-glimmadora-receipts and @adoradeservesbetter) who treat Catradora like a Devine religion is an example of C//A Stans with a cult mentality and mindset along with a toxic MAGA behavior. Catra stans are the most unhinged fans of the fandom. Toxic fandoms are the absolute worst, she ra is getting worse by the day. Netflix She-Ra was a bad show, is dead and deserves to be. The show's fanbase is disgusting and toxic. She-ras fandom is toxic and they don’t know it. It’s almost as if they have some emotional attachment to the ship that’s very unhealthy and gets to the point where they cannot stand the thought of someone disagreeing with them. Very similar to the MAGA Cult. That’s right I am here to say that Catra Stans/Fan, Catradora Stans/Fans, the entire Nu-She-Ra fandom and ND Stevenson have the mindset of Donald Trump and his MAGA Trump cult. Catra Stans/Fan, Catradora Stans/Fans, the entire Nu-She-Ra fandom, ND Stevenson Donald Trump and his MAGA Trump cult are ableist, toxic, bigoted, ignorant and narcissistic. Catra Stans/Fan, Catradora Stans/Fans, the entire Nu-She-Ra fandom and ND Stevenson are no different than Donald Trump and his MAGA Trump cult, and Horde Prime. I compare Catradora stans/fans and mainly the entire Catra stans/fan/fan base/fandom to MAGA/Trump Stans-Supporters. They are both unhinged, they can’t take truth and criticism seriously which resorts to them sending death threats and they treat Catra, Trump, the She Ra fandom, ND Stevenson(Nate Stevenson), and the SPOP like a religion and see them as gods or as if they are made by god himself via see ND Stevenson(Nate Stevenson) as a god himself. ND Stevenson(Nate Stevenson) and Donald Trump are both immature narcissists and egomaniacs and their fans and supporters are similar in way.

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Here's some sugar to take a little break from all the salt

Your beauty never really scared me <3

[cherrytea556]

Oh well, there's just this certain community that really speaks with me....

tumblr is only for people who r weird and a bit lonely and had a strange interest when they were 12 that led them here. if none of those apply to you like genuinely what is there for you here

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I should probably make.something clear i am not @adoradeservesbetter i am simply someone who saw Konamis thinly veiled threat of racial violence for what it was and decided to start compiling evidence and calling out konamis disgusting behavior because I am not going to let a black person stand alone against a slew of racially motivated harassment and threats of hate crimes. But it is funny that you think once again making yourself out to be the victim on the topic of racism while snidely commenting that it "gets people killed" and then accusing a known black person of "spreading misinformation" about you by calling out racism when it wasn't even that person, give you any sort of moral high ground.

Newsflash white abuse victims are not opressed by black people get over yourself.

[cherrytea556]

'Catra isnt easily forgiven'

Forgiving doesnt always have to be verbal

[cherrytea556]

Exactly, while i understand people saying catra didnt deserve redemption, deserving isnt the point. The point of redemption is how people can change and catra didnt change from her actions. Its not me saying shes incapable because there are moments where she can change, even in season 5, the attempt of growth was there but in the end, by not getting how harmful her actions are to adora in her love confession and blaming her for leaving again, she doesnt change in a way that will make catradora healthy.

What annoys me the most about this trend of "vilifying vs woobifying complex characters" is that it removes any sense of agency these characters have. It's always either "ohh this character is the worst person in existence and none of their reasons matter and they don't *deserve* redemption" or "this poor sad baby only did it cause x,y,z people were cruel to them" like. Yes. The choices a character makes are inherently based in their environment and circumstance. But they are also responsible for those choices. Cause they could have chosen differently! But they didn't! It's a balance! You can hate a character without ignoring the circumstances that made them, and you can love a character without taking their agency or responsibility for the choices they made away from them. It's not about "deserving" redemption it's about if the choices they make now are better than before.

That said, Nakahara Chuuya has done nothing wrong, ever, in his life.

[cherrytea556]

Keywords to focus on in catras love confession

I feel like so many people miss on these keywords to see why her love confession isnt good and it ruin catradora completely

First, lets see the first part of catra's confession:

Keyword: 'dont you get it?' that follows up on 'i love you, I ALWAYS have'

Now, out of context, this seems nice right? Well, what if I show you what catra did to adora throughout s1-4?

Does this seem like a person loving the other the whole time? No, absolutely not. You dont harm someone you love which catra definetly doesnt. From their misunderstanding, catra felt betrayed adora left and how she was always favored over her, this is due to shadow weavers abuse, specifically her favoritism that furthers adoras and catras relationship apart. I already explained it in another post but basically, adora was catras safety blanket and without her, now shes alone. These actions came from misunderstanding and vengeance, it doesnt and never will come from love.

So when catra says 'dont you get it?' about her loving adora the whole time like she shouldve got it sooner is dismissing her harm to her and also just a plain lie or at least feels like a lie. Ironically, it completely reverted what corridors tried to do:

This apology vaguely acknowledging that she harmed adora no longer matters because now catra wonders why adora didnt get that she loved her sooner despite all that harm she caused to her and that shes an idiot.

This is my main problem with the confession and im surprised not a lot of people picked up on it

Basically, catra didnt actually change

[cherrytea556]

The hypocrisy in the she ra fandom

What still annoys me is how the she ra fandom clearly has a favoritism issue. Take example of the scene where catra was chipped by horde prime then the other scene of adora was infected by catra:

These scenes contain a certain thing harming the person in which they have no control over their body yet these scenes are treated differently. Most people in the fandom feel sad for catra being chipped which i understand because its a truly truamatising, terrifying moment for her. Now with adora being infected, i barley seen anyone in the fandom feel sad about that, they either focus on corrupted/monster esque adora, drunk adora or just call the 'looks like your mine now adora' scene gay (keep in mind, adora was unconscious in that scene and catra later was planning to make adora murder her friends) Its also a truamatising, terrifying moment for adora as well yet is barely acknowledged as such. Tbf, the show has the same issue in the writing because while we see catras truama through being sacrificed, we dont see much of adoras truama and adora is literally the main protagonist. It's incredibly ironic that the show and fandom has a favouritism problem when theres a certain character that has this issue in which the show and fandom hates:

Its literally like if shadow weaver treated catra as the golden child and adora as the scapegoat

[cherrytea556]

She ra is an overhyped mess

I do not get how it was praised so much and was apparently the point were she ra got popular or at least had its popularity grow because there was just so much wrong in s5

The characters are either acting out of character, wasted, used for shipping, have no character development or just badly written

The only characters that i can think of that was well written and not wasted was shadow weaver, angella, mara and lighthope. Mara, angella and lighthope story was already finished so they wouldnt be affected by s5's writing. With shadow weaver, they have her still be a villain which she was great at so that's good at least. But that couldnt be said for the other characters because there stories either was brushed off to never be focused on again, badly written or there was just never a story to begin with.

The tonal issues they have in the later episodes of s5 even though were suppose to take this series seriously. She ra always have tonal issues like with princess prom and those episodes in s4 but it hasnt changed in s5 like in perls of peekablue, their acting like its a fun party when its not and taking control has a sideplot of the rebellion gang going to a party like dont you guys have war rn?

Theres this plothole of grayskull because how its explained in return of the frightzone makes no sense, although maybe im wrong, its coming from memory

How they do redemption with catra and hordax-do i even need to explain further? Like both are shit, catra and hordax didnt change in the end. Hordax may be a worse case because some people say that he wasnt even meant to be redeemed but have an arc about finding himself and acceptance which if thats the intent, why tf would you pick the colonizer that took and brainwash children into harming innocent people? Wheres the thought process in that?

And the romance....look im not big on romances, in fact, i dislike romance but even if i like romance, i wouldnt like most of the she ra endgames writing. Catradora is still toxic as catra didnt change and dismisses all that pain she put adora through for 3 years straight. Spinnetossa was okay because they already were togather but it has a questionable moment to say the least and the closure of their arc in s5 is just poorly worded. Seamista barely has any development for their romance to work plus both wouldnt even be that healthy anyway, seahawk disrespects mermistas boundaries and mermista avoids him and is openly irritated by him so them being canon without much development from the two is really jarring and tbh, kinda ick to me. Now as much as i love glimbow and scorfuma, both weren't so well written, glimbow came out of no where while scorfuma only got a bit of development. Doesnt help that theres no slight indication of them being a couple unlike the rest of the ships so it also kind of came out of nowhere for it to be endgame. The only ship that worked was entrapdak because its healthy, their relationship developed and it doesnt even need to show us a big love confession or something because we as the audience can understand that they are in love so it makes sense for them being canon.

Oh and i forgot horde primes plans make less sense overtime, she ra learnt her new powers way too quickly, catra was forgiven way too quickly, the abliesm in launch was handled terribly, catradora is getting worse than i thought it was and all in all was a dumpter fire that for some reason got a golden platter by critics and fans in 2020

Sorry for the rambling, i still dont get how people call she ra almost perfect when s5 proves otherwise and no one in that time era besides those small creators on youtube mentions its obvious flaws. The whole thing makes me face palm

[cherrytea556]

Exactly and even if that quote wasnt actually her blaming adora for leaving again, theres still two quotes that shows she hasnt changed:

She still doesnt get how her actions harm people like adora as she calls adora an idiot and expected her to get that she loved her this whole time when she did all of this to her:

So either way, catra did not change at all, were back to square 1 with her and i hate it

Maybe if Catra hadn’t been so passive aggressive even in her ~confession~ I’d feel different, but saying “please, just this once, stay” imo shows she learned nothing, she’s still holding it against Adora that she left their abusive situation and Catra seems to think it’s Adora’s fault that Catra didn’t go even though that was her choice. Catra only perceived it as an abandonment and until she learns that none of what happened was actually Adora’s fault she hasn’t changed at all lmao

[cherrytea556]

Catra didnt only want adora - The problem with the original save the cat script

Tw: Abuse and mention of murder

In the original script of 'save the cat', there was a line from horde prime that really bothers me:

Its the part where horde prime says to adora: 'all she ever wanted was you' and fans definitely uses that as catradora content when its just not true in the slightest and it removes the nuance she has just to hype an already toxic ship. First, lets discuss the very second episode of shera in season 1.

We see in this scene, adora offers catra to come with her yet catra rejects. If adora was all she ever wanted, why didnt she come with her on the spot? That wouldnt make sense if catra only wanted adora right? Well, heres where it starts to get interesting:

This is a callback from a previous scene, the scene where shadow weaver uses her electric magic onto catra then threatens to bring adora back. Sure, you can argue that she does only want adora but shadow weaver is holding her back, an obstacle to overcome for her actual wants but if thats the case, why does she actively seeking that obstacles affection if all she ever wanted was adora?

Especially her blaming adora for shadow weaver betraying her, let alone almost destroying the whole planet because of her blaming adora for shadow weaver's favouritism. Why would she if adora was all she ever wanted? Its simple. Given how shadow weaver favors adora more than catra during childhood, shes going to be seeking out shadow weavers affection in hopes she can finally gain the love she was looking for from her abuser. It also explains why she had an attachment to adora.

Adora was catras safety blanket as they made a promise to look out for each other and since shadow weaver told catra that she only stuck around because adora liked her, catra will depend on adora in order to be safe which is also why she hit lonnie when her and adora was being friendly, she was scared that she will get abandoned by adora if she has new friends which means that shadow weaver would dispose her (and with the word disposing, it may imply murder so catras life couldve ended or at least cause her more truama by her having 9 lives) It makes sense why she had attachment to adora, it makes sense why she seeks shadow weavers love, it doesnt make any sense if all she wanted was adora because the show proves otherwise through the exploration of catras character, why she does the things she does. Also theres this moment:

This is where we see catra be truly happy or at least the most prominently happy and it doesnt even involve adora, it was her taking over the crimson waste where shes given respect for her abilities and personality. This also makes sense by shadow weavers abuse/favouritism, catra being the scapegoat who relied on adora for protection to not only be her own leader to people but also be respected when your life was filled with not being respected. But when the show points out that shes truly happy when adora isnt even there despite them originally wanting us to believe she only wanted adora is non sense. Basically, saying catra only wanted adora makes no sense and removes nuance of her character, reducing her to a love interest. Now I know this line wasnt put in the actual show which is good but theres still fans who use it to hype up catradora in which another reason why the line doesnt work is this:

If she wanted adora all along then the ways she done it makes it more disturbing then it already is by those actions alone. I dont even need to explain why because this pic already says enough. Although i will say, she thought adora left her, not the horde (which the horde was the actual reason why adora left) and when she left, she was now unprotected from shadow weaver, feeling betrayed in which caused her to do all of this to adora, along with blaming her for shadow weavers betrayal, the woman she was prominetly searching for love that the woman gives to the golden child/adora. It was from misunderstanding and vegeance, not from love.

Last thing is how its honestly really funny how when the line of catra only wanting adora that removes nuance and misunderstood her character was used by fans for catradora content in which barely anyone on that content called it out yet when people call catra out for her actions, theres many fans in their comment sections who act like they misunderstood her character/remove her nuance just from mentioning the harm catra's done, even saying that they dont know complex characters? So reducing catra as a love interest is fine but god forbid someone mentions catras harmful actions that impact people because they just dont know complex characters? (when the line literally shows how even the show originally didnt know about catra as a complex character) The fact that catra was clearly shown to be the writers favourite but even they didnt understand her originally really shows how season 5 was too focused on catradora happening and even that was shit in the end for how poor catras redemption was if there is any by that confession in the series finale. Just the fact that this line even existed baffles me.

[cherrytea556]

'Catras redemption wasnt bad nor easy, she sacrifice herself'

A common argument i hear from people about catras redemption being bad/easy is that she sacrificed herself which makes me ask: Did WE watch the same show? Now, let's just introduce the meaning of redemption: The act of redeeming or atoning for a fault or mistake, or the state of being redeemed. Heres the thing though, its not just the action, intent matters as much too. What was catras intent for sacrificing herself? From the apology, it seems to come off as good intent out of context:

Shes apologising for her harm to adora so it must be good, right? Well, no actually. Theres a scene earlier in the episode where glimmer asked catra if shes saving her and this is how catra responds:

Which is extremely odd to say for someone whose meant to start redeeming themselves to save one of their victims and not the other who they caused harm as well from the portal where they're responsible for their mothers death or how they invaded bright moon, their kingdom as their the princess and now queen of that certain kingdom. If thats meant to be the start of catradora blooming, maybe it works but it doesnt work for her redemption arc, redemptions are suppose to be growth for the CHARACTER, not the ship that character is in. But okay, maybe im wrong on this, maybe its the right start. However, look at these lines from catras love confession:

Despite the harm she caused to adora (put down her self esteem repeatly, attempt to murder her, infect her by a murder virus then plan to use it to kill her own friends, kidnapped her friends to spite her and even tried to destroy the whole planet to spite her specifically), she thinks that harm was for love and that adora is an idiot for not getting it sooner, making that sacrifice useless because catra still didnt change in the end and she got off scott free because she got with adora anyway and unless im missing something, shes not even confirmed to face any consequences for her war crimes unlike hordax. It really says something when the important moment for a character's start to redeem themselves not only had a poor start, but had a poor end, making that start not matter anymore because the character didnt actually change.

[cherrytea556]

Catradora just keeps getting worse for me

After thinking more about white out and 'dont you get it? I love you, i always have', i get more disturbed and grossed out each time. This makes this moment also more creepy than it already is:

The amount of people forgetting about white out when catra confessed she loved adora this whole time astounds me. Surely, making someone unconscious then using them as a weapon to kill their own friends crosses the line in most peoples heads right?