#adelaida ivanovna

[possessedbydevils]

Guess who started reading TBK!!!! Loving it so far and l had to draw some characters, l wish Dosto gave more information about them but it's fine (also: designs inspired by @gegengestalt)

[popolodipekino]

dichiarazione

- Volevo dire... volevo dire, - balbettò il principe, - volevo solo spiegare ad Aglaja Ivanovna... aver l'onore di spiegarle che io non ebbi mai l'intenzione... di aver l'onore di chiedere la sua mano... neppure quando che sia... Io non ne ho nessuna colpa, com'è vero Dio, non ne ho colpa, Aglaja Ivanovna! Non l'ho mai voluto, non mi è mai venuto in mente, e non lo vorrò mai, lo vedrete: siatene certa! Qualche maligno mi avrà calunniato presso di voi! Potete star tranquilla! Dicendo questo, si avvicinò ad Aglaja. Ella si tolse il fazzoletto dal viso, gli gettò un rapido sguardo, vide la sua figura spaurita, considerò le sue parole, e scoppiò a ridergli in faccia, di un riso così allegro e irrefrenabile, così comico e canzonatorio, che Adelaida, per prima, non resse più, specialmente dopo aver a sua volta guardato il principe, e, slanciatasi verso la sorella e abbracciatala, si abbandonò allo stesso riso incontenibile e gioioso, come una scolaretta. Guardandole, anche il principe cominciò a sorridere e poi a ripetere, con un'aria tutta lieta e felice: - Sia lodato Dio! sia lodato Dio! A questo punto anche Aleksandra non si contenne più e si mise a ridere di tutto cuore. Pareva che questa ilarità delle tre sorelle non dovesse aver fine. - Oh, che pazze! - borbottò Lizaveta Prokof'evna: - un po' mi spaventano, e un po'... Ma rideva già anche il principe Sc., rideva Evgenij Pavlovic, si smascellava senza fine Kolja e, guardando tutti gli altri, rideva pure il principe. da F. Dostoevskij, L'idiota

[macethelaboratoryrat]

I recently found out that during the mid-to-late 19th century, it wasn't very socially acceptable for women to paint because those things would involve getting dirty, or wearing smocks, or (god forbid) women going outside. Women still painted, but it was somewhat looked down upon among bourgeois and upper class ladies.

So I think it's really interesting that Adelaida Ivanovna Epanchin is a painter by hobby and by main characteristic. Especially since she is the most "mild" among the Epanchin daughters, with Alexandra having weird dreams and Aglaya being tumultuous. Adelaida is also the first to get engaged and (if memory serves) married.

I wonder if it's to show that all of the Epanchin daughters are somewhat rebellious, no matter what they do, there's always something not quite right about them. And how, in spite of everything Lizaveta Prokofyevna does, she still can't escape from her own streak of rebellion and "eccentricity".

[gegengestalt]

I wanted to post this Adelaida Ivanovna alongside more drawings, but I couldn't help myself. My favourite young woman born to be a romantic novel protagonist and forced to be a fridged mother

[sad-eyed-lady-of-the-paperbacks]

But what if I literally did write an Adelaida Ivanovna Miusova fic? What then?

[ginkovskij]

personally i really like to imagine that aside from the personality aspects each brother took a physical trait after fëdor (:

(don't remember how much of this i made up)

dmitri took from his father a series of problems and his sharp roman-looking nose, while most of his other features such as the height, high cheekbones, dark blonde hair, and eyes are a gift from his mother's side (thank you adelaida ivanovna). his lips covered by the moustache is allegedly rather plump and reminds of the mouth of aleksej, somehow.

ivan (not even once described!) and aleksej took a lot after their late mother and look very similar in that they both have light gray eyes and dark brown hair, but where ivan's face is angular and tired, alëša inherited some of the roundness of fëdor's face and the soft lips. ivan is also showing signs of graying hairs (god help him).

pavel is at first sight the picture of lizaveta, but looking past the curly hair and sick complexion one could very much recognise a hooked nose that suspiciously resembles dmitri's a lot, a large adam's apple and a sharp chin (if ivan didn't wear a neatly trimmed goatee, one could say they look the same).

[confessionofanardentheart]

1.1 Fyodor Pavlovich Karamazov

"Karamazov" comes from two words: the Turkish word "Kara", meaning "black", and the Russian word "mazat", meaning "to smear". The family is a black stain, and there's nothing the blot won't smear to ensure its own comfort in the sludge.

Fyodor Pavlovich is quite a common type of man, in all his strangeness. His peculiarities are what make him a "national" type, similarly to how the strangeness of his third son, Alexey, carries its generation. Haven't we all met at least one Fyodor Pavlovich? I can say I've heard of a few old opportunists who fit in his category. He's the insolent jester and scrounger who irritates and scandalizes us all, but the ideas he carries are not so strange.

On the other side of the coin: Adelaida Ivanovna Miusova, of the romantic generation, irritated by a feeling of captivity. The referenced poem says much about her character:

This romantic heroine whose short life could be a novel lasts no more than four pages out of a thousand, slapstick violence and tragic end included. Their romantic elopement was a lie from the start, with each looking for what they lacked and the other had: her wealth, his freedom from social expectations.

However, Adelaida's freedom and lofty ideas can only go so far when she finds herself in poverty, running from a house in which she must look at her future staring back at her with a mocking smile. Did Fyodor still weep even though he rejoiced at her death, or not? Can these contradictions coexist? Was he more naive than we think, or are we the naive ones for possibly thinking such man would over a wife who only brought him conflict?

All that's certain is that a child born from greed is what remained.

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Links:

Lermontov's poem, "Don't trust in self" translated into English // Original

@keepingupwiththekaramazovs

[micehusband]

Character list of me selfshipping:

Lizaveta Tushina, Praskovya Drozdova(Demons)

Ganya Ivolgin, Alexandra Yepanchin(The Idiot)

Katerina Ivanovna, Adelaida Miusova, Marya K, The Snergiryovs {yes both of them}(The Brothers Karamazov)

Katerina(Landlady)

Angelina(La Cerentola)

Ms. Vane (The Picture of Dorian Gray)

Nihat (The demon inside of us)

Marfa, Alyona Ivanovna(Crime and Punishment)

Guinevere, Morgan La Fay(Arthurian literature)

Lady Macbeth (Macbeth)

Katherine (The Taming of The Shrew)

Ellenore (Adolphe)

Tuppance Beresford (By The Pricking of My Thumbs)

Soledad and Inés Montalvo, Carola Gorostiza (The Vineyard)

E.C (The Terror)

Trina (The Marvin Trilogy)

Lucia (Lucia di Lammermoor)

Isabella (L'italiana in algeri)

Lucy (Sense and Sensibility)

Elizabeth Bennett (Pride and Prejudice)

Dorvil and Giulia (La Scala)

[Might more come and other characters outside of this list might be sliiiighty selfshipped with depending on my mood]

[obscurewapcharacterbracket]

Liza propergander: she is pretty she is deranged she is mentally unstable she dominates mavriky she slapped stavrogin on the face as he deserves

Adelaida propergander: She beat Fyodor's ass. I think that's awesome.

[sad-eyed-lady-of-the-paperbacks]

Ok I had to think about this for a moment and here’s what we know from the text

Adelaida Ivanovna left when Mitya was 3 years old.

There is a ~5 year gap between Mitya (28) and Ivan (23)

Fyodor married Sofia Ivanovna not long after getting 4yo Mitya out of the house

Ivan was born in the first year of Fyodor’s marriage to Sofia Ivanovna

According to 3.2, the event with Lizaveta Smerdyashaya happened right after he received news of Adelaida’s death (like right right after. Maybe only a few days): “This was at the very time he received from St Petersburg the news of the death of his first spouse, Adelaida Ivanovna, and when with crape in his hat he was drinking and behaving so outrageously that some of the townsfolk, even the most dissipated among them, could not view him without wincing.”

The thing that’s a bit ambiguous: it’s hard to tell how long of a gap there was between Adelaida running away and her death. But it seems to have been perhaps only a few months. So Mitya was possibly still only 3 years old, or had possibly only just turned 4, when the incident happened.

So yeah, if the math maths, I think Pavel is a few months or perhaps a year older than Ivan. I don’t really see how it could work out for him to be younger. Fyodor’s crime against Lizaveta would have occurred right after Adelaida’s death, and not until at least a few months after that would Mitya be out of the house, and only after that did he marry Sofia Ivanovna. Even if he married her the very day Mitya left (which I don’t think likely) and she conceived that very night (also probably not likely), you’d still have to allow approx. nine months until the birth of Ivan, and at that point Pavel has definitely already been born.

[popolodipekino]

l'albero

Adelaida aveva or ora notato nel parco un albero, un vecchio e stupendo albero, frondoso, dai lunghi rami contorti, tutto verde di foglie nuove, con un cavo e una spaccatura nel tronco, e a tutti i costi si era proposta di disegnarlo. Tanto che quasi non parlò d'altro durante la mezz'ora della sua visita. da F. Dostoevskij, L'idiota

[pierrebezukov]

decided to write down a little guide for myself for the characters mentioned in the brothers karamazov so i can remember who they are bc since for the most part they use their nicknames sometimes i get confused of who they are.

Fyodor Pavlovich Karamazov: father of the three below.

Dmitri Fyodorovich Karamazov (Mitka, Mitya, Mitenka)

Ivan Fyodorovich Karamazov  (Vanya, Vanka, Vanechka)

Alexei Fyodorovich Karamazov (Alyosha)

Pyotr Alexandrovich Miusov: Cousin of Adelaida (Fyodor’s first wife and mother of Dmitri). Took care of Dmitri for some time.

Katerina Ospovna Khokhlakov (mother of Lise)

Lise Khokhlakov: Likes Alyosha.

Sofia Ivanovna: Mother of Ivan and Alexei.

[gegengestalt]

Adelaida Ivanovna, what a woman you are

[sad-eyed-lady-of-the-paperbacks]

As a father he did precisely what was expected of him; that is, he totally and utterly abandoned his child by Adelaida Ivanovna, not out of malice towards him and not from any wounded matrimonial feelings, but simply because he totally forgot about him.

-The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky, 1.2 (Pevear & Volokhonsky translation)

That “precisely what was expected of him” is so darkly funny, because it’s incredibly sad and incredibly true that we really have such low expectations for fathers, and that hasn’t changed much since this novel was published.

Because when Adelaida Ivanovna left her 3 year old child behind to run off with another man, it was shocking, perhaps it even seemed unnatural. We wouldn’t expect that of a mother. But neglecting and basically forgetting about his toddler because he’s too busy drinking and filling his house with women? That checks out for a father. Like, it’s deplorable, but it doesn’t surprise in the same way.

[talesofpassingtime]

Immediately after the elopement Adelaida Ivanovna discerned in a flash that she had no feeling for her husband but contempt.

Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov

[8denkerunddichter8]

" Adelaida Ivanovna Miusov's action was similarly, no doubt, an echo of other people's ideas, and was due to the irritation caused by lack of mental freedom"

" As a general rule, people, even the wicked, are much more naive and simple-hearted than we suppose. And we ourselves are, too."

" it was very characteristic of him."