#actually idk if im pro shipper

[polysucks]

well. deliver us some jaime x catelyn. if u will💅

anything for you my beloved ;-; <3

i had no idea this was a whole ship and i can see it so perfectly. while i drew this i just kept thinking of jaime telling robb after whispering wood "oh u silly ginger twink imma have ur mom calling me daddy by the time i get out of here." milf destroyer jaime lannister eating robb's fruit snacks while being escorted out of riverrun by brienne--

also yeah I had to put catelyn's tits on display. no real driving factor behind that decision other milf tits. im not sorry.

anyway,,,, yeah this was so much fun :o)

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[fight-nights-at-freddys]

made a lil thing for one of my favorite indie horror games, i am IN LOVE WITH HER OMG SHE IS SO PRETTY AND I LOVE HER. anyways

[procrastinatingattorney]

...........man it's weird seeing unironic cutesy b/illford stuff (but it quickly has an au label slapped on to it so they can have free reign to make the most ooc thing you've ever seen)

[hexhomos]

little random but i really appreciate your dissections and analysis of Mel mainly bc the fandom either adore her and won't admit she is a flawed character and get over defensive when you call her out, or straight up hate her and make her out to be completely evil.

Mel is written as morally grey for a reason and when ppl try to act like she was morally correct in everything she did, it goes against the whole plot. yes, she regrets most of her actions by the end of the series and is left to deal with her family's leagacy and the weight of her actions, but that doesn't undo anything she did. and her eventually starting to care about Jayce doesn't just cancel out that she manipulated him (you'd think this would be obvious)

what bothers me the most i think is meljay shippers who say Jayce mistreated her and that Mel only ever helped and care about him and aided him in rising to power politically, and how she was so understanding of Jayce's and Viktor's friendship. yes, encouraging methods of political corruption in order to gain more power is so caring and kind of her! ❤️

Mel might've told Jayce to go spend time with Viktor after finding out he was ill, but the one time in the show she interacted with Viktor was... prejudiced to say the least. she never directly spoke to or answered Viktor, and the expression on her face any time she looked over at Viktor was so clearly full of dislike. it shocks me ppl still believe Mel and Viktor could get along and respect one another, especially romantically. no way.

anyways, sorry for the rant. just tired of how many bad takes there are in this fandom and very fond of your account lol

you are right and you SHOULD say it re: that oft repeated argument about her "only wanting what's best for him" bothers me so much. Its just... weirdly patronizing and spousing pro-piltover nationalism every time i see it being brought up. "She's doing what anyone would do/what is best for the city!" IDK MAN I AM NOT ROCKING WITH THAT. Im not an ubercapitalist. I don't think any of that was the good option actually lol. Probably I hate piltover too much to humor these arguments but from day 1 we are shown this is a city of immense class inequality in which the elite few holds all the power and all the profit gains at the cost of everyone else's submission and humanity. (Not for nothing: these are also the classic old guard Noxian tenets of supremacy. That's how they do colonization.)

The interactions Mel has with Jayce for majority of the series, before she watches that bomb come in and has her rapid onset change of heart, are her talking about how investors want his work and how she can use his discovery to advance this city (which is already built on exploitation!) or instigating his rise to power as a new ringleader for the council's rigged mercantile operations, and this is just not good or heroic in any way to me. This isn't love either, it's industrial convenience. The fact that she's conflicted by the end doesn't cancel these actions out! Jayce realizes that he's been used in ways he strongly disagrees with and any the affection in that dynamic vanishes instantly. The time he spends in isolation replaying his mistakes in that cave has an emphasis on mel/heimerdinger's voice on the council too, all of his regrets with blindly following someone else's vision or disappointing an idol he held in high regards.

And Jayce DOES care about the state of the cities, or he did before the writers forgot: He's the one who pleads for Zaun's independence at the end of season 1! He's the one who spent all his life trying to work towards improving the lives of common people, giving them the miracles they've been denied!

Viktor is a fucking nobody. He is extremely worthless in the eyes of the piltovan upper crust, only kept around on the merits working with Jayce have afforded him; and they still don't care. They're probably hoping he dies quicker. We *SEE* him being singled out and alienated during that weapons discussion where Mel is pleading for Jayce to think about "protecting his people" (only piltovans, never, ever zaunites- protecting piltovans against the zaunite menace.) and Viktor is set off at that whole exchange because it doesn't matter how loud he screams, these people can just tune him off and pretend he doesn't exist anyway. It's what they're used to doing. It drives me insane!!!!! His indignation is extremely under-explored and very inline with his act1 speech of feeling like an undesirable presence in piltover and having to push through with the grit of his teeth. It's open faced classism and I still see people pretending it didn't happen. Fandom makes all of these characters FAR less interesting by defanging them. The heart is in the friction and in the ugliness of them fucking up because they have very, very different conceptions of "utopia" - and some of those utopias require the death of the other characters present.

A lot of the Arcane character arcs have to do with realizing the above, and weighing if the sacrifice is worth the risk. Sometimes it turns out their utopias were shit.

[qin-qin16]

Hi so idk if this is wierd to ask but ive seen the term come up pretty often but what are pro-shippers? and what makes them bad? im kinda new to fandom culture so im a bit confused... hope that isnt too weird to ask

Probably I'm not the best person to explain this (since I'm also relatively new to fandom culture), but in short: proshippers are people who believe that any fictional pair or group can be shipped romantically, including abusive, problematic relationships, etc. They are often also associated with ships involving pedophilia or incest (they argue that, because they are fictional characters, there’s no problem in shipping them together since they don’t actually exist)

The first thing that appears when you search "what it is proshipper"

[jusst-you-race]

you make me feel comfortable here i swear, esp recently since seeing

oscar between haasbands (obsessed with the snippet)

rarepairs supporter (GAX and 2019 rookies- YES but may i offer you galex+lily or whatever their ship name is)

topgun????

strollonso / non lance hater (a big, warm and extra tight hug for that btw)

on this blog

~29

nonnie 29 I am kissing you so gently on the forehead mwah

I am a massive rare pair supporter you have no idea I can and will ship Anything as demonstrated by seeing oscar in between the haasbands on track and going yeah I can rpf that… exploring new and interesting dynamics is SO fun to me fr

Gax my beloved… always thinking about Gax tbh… and Galex + Lily! I believe I have read at least one fic for this and yeah…. Yeah…. Cool fun couple and their awkward bestie turned shared boyfriend? I’m compelled! they have a lot of fun potential especially with the whole galex being sort of exes then alex dating lily and George being weird about it …. yeah … Lily rolling her eyes and slamming their heads together to make them sort their shit out… it’s very challengers if challengers was slightly less toxic (because they’re all sweet goofballs at heart)

oh my god so I’m Very into top gun fun fact hangster and icemav will always have my whole damn heart like I am actively repressing the urge to come up with some kind of f1 top gun au (or top gun f1 au…….. fuck……..) because I have Other things to write but maybe one day…. if anyone dms me about it though I may be unable to resist

strollonso! Lance! most in love couple on the grid (Haasbands are coming for their title tho) <3 I care them deeply there is something so special about war criminal Fernando going to Aston Martin and becoming the softest sap ever… “I will always support him” like… look rpf is all fun and games and Im not trying to claim any of these men are Actually in a relationship but if I was… well I know where I’d start… Lancey is very special to me I will always be pro Lance he is a princess and has never done anything wrong in his life! yeah idk the unreasonable amounts of hate he gets just makes me really upset so you will not find any of that here ever!

on the matter of you being comfortable in my little corner of the internet, that seriously means the world to hear! I do try to be a positive space so I’m very glad I have succeeded in that with you! sorry I’m really just yapping away here BUT this kind of feels like a time to maybe put an idea I’ve been mulling over into the world… maybe this already exists or whatever but I’ve been thinking about the idea of a discord server specifically for the people who love most if not all of the drivers… or for people who love the less popular drivers even? but mostly a place free from haterism because why I respect the haterism and I think everyone is entitled to it… I just kind of don’t have that in me? And I feel like I can’t be alone in that… anyway putting out feelers for if this would be something people would be interested in… for the saps with too big a heart shall we say (for the rare pair shippers even? I dunno)

sorry for hijacking your ask and for my inability to shut up love you nonnie 29 <3

[chenyuvale]

Least favorite ships + why? Idk I like to see what people think😼

(Genshin ships btw lololol)

genshintwt hates me for this

basically every popular mlm ship ,,,

the most popular mlm ship i enjoy is cytham and compared to like. The tall man x tall man ones its not that popular!! agony!

more specifics here so be warned: if i mention a fave ship of yours here, its not a personal attack and im not gonna hold it against you for shipping differently than i do. that being said heres my take on my least fave ships

ok lets talk abt kavetham.. i think they're exes. i enjoy them as a duo but not as a romantic pair; they literally fight in every scene they're in so im convinced kaveh had a crush and they tried dating for a week or even just 5 days so not even a week and kaveh got so frustrated that he broke it off but is salty abt it and haitham only agreed bc "why not, if it works it works and if it doesnt it doesnt" he had no expectations whereas kaveh had every expectation but haitham didn't live up to that so now kavehs just constantly annoyed and angry w haitham bc he doesn't know hoe to move on

i dont like zhongchi or neuvithesley very much simply because i dont. see it. its another case of they dont really like each other? and i think its hypocritical of certain fans to go against ships like zhongxiao bc "they're father/son" when. zhongchi is so much more (by their own standards) problematic than zhongxiao.. like stay? in your lane? and neuvithesley feels to me like ppl just want an excuse to have sigewinne as thier child when. sigewinne is more like wrios mom or grandma considering her actual age ejfhehfhd hes the youngest of the three and fanon loves to ignore it! i wont tolerate that :)

i have a Very hot take on kae/luc that both the antis and the pros dont like; they're not brothers but they aren't lovers either.. i also think they're exes

mostly because thats the vibe i got when i first saw thier interactions in game, it felt similar to asra/julian from the arcana and bc i was into the arcana right before getting into genshin asrian was on my mind, i started looking into them as one does and encountered the Discourse; knowing the cn stereotype though and that it is used to hide gay relationships in cn media; i further took that as proof that they're exes (and Both are bitter about it i enjoy the dynamic a lot. and genuinely they cant live w/o each other) im not going to attack ragbros believers tho, neither am i going to attack the shippers i like the content regardless bc both sides can agree that they cant live w/o each other and it torments the both of them

i could go more in depth bc they mean a lot to me but alas i shall hold off for now

other than that theres some ships i just dont fully understand? like yantao, ittogorou, thomato and eulamber, i get the premise behind eulamber but i cant help but think amber deserves better 😔 yantao i dont? get it and i dont know that i want to at this point it's just confused me bc as soon as yanfei was released ppl jumped on the yantao trainwagon and im confused where it came from? im also a bit more of a yanfei/kuki person myself but before that i didn't have any real yanfei ship; ittogorou feels like ppl just want itto with any guy they want and it bugs me, thomato is toxic. point blank; ayato is constantly bullying thoma and thoma is not the type of guy to fight back but like irs very. family bullying and not romantic partner bullying. and ayato knows how to bully a romantic partner hes very sadistic. but thoma is vanilla as fuck he doesn't want to be bullied so give ayato to diluc who Is a masochist and will accept ayatos bullying :D in that news i also like kaeya x thoma

those are all the ones that come to mind and again if i mention a ship you like dont take it personally!! at all!! its just my view on things and im not gonna shame you for having different takes. i love others interpretations so much im incredibly open minded, id be such a hypocrite if i wasnt

[iwaasfairy]

Hi faiwy!! I read your dni and I’m a little confused. Based on online definitions, I thought pro shippers were people who write about incest, noncon, other taboo stuff, etc? No hate btw!! Just genuinely confused is all!!

No that’s a fair question, I appreciate you reading my rules!! Basically, pro shippers technically refers to being ‘for the allowance of any ship, bc it’s fiction’ so by that definition that would include people who ship cest pairings (not necessarily noncon though).

however, I’ve mentioned this before, i am not actually a big shipper myself (or at all, really, i can count on one hand actual ships i have). an example of pairings that are proship related to cest would be the miyas being shipped, or rei and touya or smt like that… and dc writers like myself don’t by definition have to be proship. so someone can be a dc writer and be antiship, proship, not a shipper at the same time, if that makes sense

and the main point why i put it on my dni is that in practice, people who ship just call themselves shippers,, while people who refer to themselves as PROship specifically often (idk about now bc im not in shipping circles, but at least a few years ago) advocated for minors x adult ships (like aizawa x eri, almight x deku…)

that’s why (people who call themselves) proshippers specifically are on my dni. and self proclaimed antis too bc they’re also weird af

hope that makes sense <33

[art-making-grat]

yeah what a wholesome and healthy and nontoxic and normal ship 🫥

edit 2: opening this back up to discourse if you have something to say you can say it cause i don’t care about this anymore 😭😭

edit: apparently the horrible things bakugo did in episode one were a low for him and he was better before. he still did it just cause he’s not always like that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. what if midoriya actually killed himself hmm? also can people stop interacting if you aren’t an irl this was for my irl mutuals. I’m trying to get a life and you guys aren’t helping /lh

there’s some stuff going on among some my mutuals about minor shipping pro shipping and like toxic ships so I thought I would provide some honest opinions about the main focus of these discussions which is bakudeku. it’s weird they are kids and people are writing smut about them. writing smut about kids is disgusting. bakudeku is toxic if im being completely honest. even if bakugo is getting some sort of redemption arc or improving or whatever it doesn’t automatically erase years of bullying and abuse. even if they are fictional, writing child porn enables predators. if that’s not enough it’s also normalizing sexualizing minors like for example one of my mutuals said something about a lot of ships are of minors. why do you think that is? it shouldn’t be but it is normal for people to sexualize kids. there are probably a big number of bakudeku shippers who are full grown adults. it’s icky. shipping minors? sure I guess. sexualizing them? fuck no. but that’s what happened here and it’s so fucking gross. idk how this came up but since other people have been talking about it i thought I would share my feelings on the topic as well. im probably missing stuff feel free to reblog if you wanna discuss im happy to talk about it.

[survivalove]

Those zutara people are why I made a big kataang blog to show kataras pov and aang support for katara. . They legit make ya feel that your going insane when they say they're pro katara while calling her making moves on aang ooc. I'm a multishipper so it's easier for me im the kataang fandom zutara fandom ya makes ya feel that your in the twilight zone

lol anon I have to be so serious with you, idk who or what page you are, but i’m done pretending to be mature and acting like i can tolerate those shippers or his fans 🤧 if i could put them all in a room and [redacted] it I would.

after what i saw, i really don’t need anyone who ships that to be on my page, reblogging me and reblogging that drivel at the same time. it actually hurts my brain to imagine someone can reblog anything i post and then post something that idiotic.

keep up the good fight, but i’m over it. hopefully those freaks see my bio and stop reblogging me but i will be blocking regardless 🙏🏿

[olderthannetfic]

Saw the other anon; tossing in my own on the ‘former anti, what changed’ question — I was big on shipping, i had a otp of a twincest ship from a particular anime with a vase being broken. And very big on shipping the youtuber minecrafters together ( which is now a major fucking issue on twitter i hear?? Idk i have been a fan of MC since 2013 but i never rlly engaged with online fandom )

BUT!! But!! I was shippin’ twins when i was 12-14 ish, Aged; went ‘huh that was wild and now im uncomfortable’ - And then i fell into ‘this makes me uncomfortable, i am against it’ type thinking. I have not actively harassed or w/e im too hot for that, but I definitely shared posts an the likes of ‘proship is gross’ type bullshit; was actively reading and spreading posts about how artworks depicting bad things was a problem actually; and fiction does affect reality because Jaws the movie made shark hunting rise—

Which is a seperate rant in itself, Jaws was a massive movie with international reach, a wincest fanfic on ao3 does not have the same fucking reacH AA��

Cut forward a few more years, anti-shippers have now seemingly gone more extreme; you cant ship teenagers they are minors and thats gross, you cant age up a character because thats pedophilia, you cant ship a character who is 32 with a 20 year old thats imbalance of power an life experience an an an—

I just got really fuckin tired. Because if anti-shipping was just about the ‘bad’ stuff then why is suddenly everything that isnt a perfectly stale cookie-cutter romance not allowed now? And i had no idea who was an ‘i am against 12 year olds being drawn sexually’ over ‘if you ship the two characters who i headcannon as family thats incest’ so.

Gave up. Claimed the pro-shipper label, and just filtered out ships and content i Do Not want to see an called it a day. So far its worked pretty well, i still know nothing about Boku No Pico after 10 years of hearing its name & i feel much safer knowing that if i do ‘’’mistep’’’ or follow someone who makes x y z it wont be a big deal. Who cares.

Its freein’ like that.

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[universityofwarwick]

Im sorry if you weren’t actually looking for anyone to respond about your pro-ship post, but I fully agree with you. I really don’t care what people read and write as long as no one is being hurt — mostly just because I refuse to be in constant fruitless discourse — but pro-shippers (at least on tumblr) have devolved into pointless discourse, often with themselves in made up scenarios for them to dunk on imaginary antis, and of course it’s all in between posts about how much they like their incest ships or whatever. Idk it just comes off as performative.

very true and it seems like such a waste of energy. i know there are antis but the most i ever see anyone say against pro shippers is dni… they don’t need to defend their right to post they can just post whatever they want 😭

[cousinshipper]

hi i hope this is okay you just seemed like a person who would have an interesting perspective on this

technically on my blog i have ‘proship dni’ but its only to like. ‘fit in’ or whatever with other self-shippers and idk how to start saying that i literally don’t care. maybe im not into certain troupes or whatever but i just wont look or interact with that stuff, i dont wish bad things upon people who like stuff that i dont like yknow??

basically what i’m asking is. how do you go about telling your social group you actually don’t hate those people that they hate

hey !! :D a lot of antis don't know that "pro ship" = "anti harassment" so you probably shouldn't put proship on your blog for your safety if you're still around antis frequently !!

but to tell them you don't hate the people they hate you could delete "proshippers dni" from your pinned, you could hint about your beliefs if you're not ready to say outright, you could just ignore the subject in general !!

there's lots of other ways but that's what i thought of :D good luck!! stay safe!!

[godnattakatta]

felt so certain that i was gonna mess up the colours so actually proud that i didn't, bless

[heartachebf]

people hate ao3 users and ao3 as a whole because of the proshippers.

i know someone in the mcyt fandom tried to make their own fanfic site because of this exact thought. -Magnus 🖤💜

ah yeah that makes sense ! but like. sobs. they Have to know its not entirely weirdos like that. [hopefully] Right? fjhadjk

god can u imagine if they Succeeded in making their own fanfic site... i thought we, as a society, surpassed the need for a million different fanfic sites.... just let it all be localized in one or two places, my brains too tiny for a million fanfic websites </33

[lemonastims]

used 2 be an anti, realized i don't actually give a fuck. i have seen too many people sui bait pro-shippers. doesn't help that a LOT of the shit that gets thrown about is saneist as fuck. calling proshippers delusional is not the take you think it is! the people you want to see that already have you blocked, and who IS going to see that is actual psychotic people, getting called pedophiles and seeing that, to some people, being like them is like a death sentence. it reads like you think if you are delusional, if you have psychosis? you should die. you don't care about the safety of children if you harass them, doxx them, tear them down for the way they cope, or show their vents to the world. you care about the children who are the perfect victim. you don't care about survivors. if you have infiltrated so many safe spaces to the point that they have set up extreme safegaurds so they won't be harassed, told to kill themselves, and such? you are NOT doing a good thing. you are actively driving people into hiding, and you won't even let them have that hiding place. if you're proship, you're safe here. if you aren't, you're also safe. but if you harass, abuse, and send death threats to the other side? stay the fuck away. if you don't want to see posts from us about proshipping or positivity, mute the tags proship and proship safe. we will always tag those types of posts. idk. im rambling. but treat people with respect. please. it'll save a life.