#a auditory defense mechanism to make attackers go crazy

[askshivanulegacy]

The best part was the scientist being so genuinely fascinated by that unique property of the sounds, and not even in a typical "evil scientist way" but in a normal human curiosity way, someone delighted by this discovery. Narratively, a fantastic discordant scene. I love him for it.

The Empire has the best bad guys.

What's also great about this exploration of the rebellion is showing that not all rebels are created equal, and some rebels have and would go to equally horrifying extremes for the sake of the rebellion.

And that's the point. The show isn't black and white; it asks the hard questions and it shows sympathetic points to both sides. The Empire might be black, but the rebellion is no purer than gray.

I was prepared for physical torture. I was prepared for needles under fingernails or some shit but instead Bix has to listen to the sounds of children. dying. of an imperial genocide. until she broke. I don’t blame her. No one can. If you say you can withstand that you’re lying. If you can honestly say the rebels are just as bad as the Empire after this episode, there is something seriously wrong with you.

[kendrixtermina]

So this is roughly what was on the lecture tapes of the therapist guy

(for the heart types defer to previous writeups)

Type 5

Stuff was focussed more on the social hangups than anything else, but, that is the embarassing/ problematic part (& the big distinguishing factor vs 6)

Under the "barely picking up anything from ppl at all" layer is a "anticipating expectations/obligations" layer (might only rarely come to consciousess, but when it does it feels like feeling something come towards you). You avoid situations where you might be asked things/ look busy/ go away because on some level you feel you can't, or have no right to actually say no, or like its less important, which he argues is also a kind of displacement or projection of ones will / personal power

It’s astonishing how many of the ppl in the panel had a “tyrannical rageaholic control freak father” backstory - & then either the mother was clingy, or you couldn’t say no/ be mad at her because she’s your 1 non crazy parent. That doesn’t foster connectedness either if she’s so obviously incompetent. I guess if you get a sorty quiet kid that liked to play by themselves & you really want them to need therapy someday, be a rageaholic control freak... this also stops many an integration of 8 qualities with the “what if i become just like him” question

You generally hear about the "overcompensating for porous barriers" aspect as a theoretical explanation but in this guy's observation it can apparently come out directly as well as agreeing to too much stuff or making too many comitments, might've seen it conceptualized also as the 'overextension' that comes with the line to 7

Mini freakout or disproportionate stress about having to ask things of ppl, overestimating their reactions to it (this can be colorful, moving imaginations) - I'd always chalked this up to more biographical reasons than anything type related...

Lenghty 'freeze' states if/after some confrontation actually occurs, especially in w4 specimens. Apparently it is not unsual for those to be “whiners”/complainers and here I thought my emo posts were special

w6 are more detail oriented/ able to absorb a lot of facts (hint of 6 like logistic intelligence) 

not every 6 wing is of the rigid sort, you could well get the anti authoritarian or the friendly 6 on this

Type 6

IDK why he didn’t put this in the book but since I got a 6w5 commenter saying their “worst case scenario imaginations” were more auditory than visual... that seems to be typical actually, its the w7s that are more visual

also w7 would tend more towards placating ppl or getting prissy in stress while the w5 peeps would get paranoid or try to outthink/outstrategize/ outfox real or perceived oponents

Another common thought process is just “what if this happens”... 

The strongly/almost enclusively counterphobic types might be more in tune with kinestherics than emotions & hence not be aware of that much fear

fear/weakness as a control mechanism - provoking the confrontation to know when it coming, or freaking yourself out with scenarios because then at least its under your control - or just saying how all the options except for your fave one will go wrong / are outside your comfort zone

causes for negative emotions are looked for in the outside world - besides the common fear or jealousy examples this could be seeing ppl an angrier when you are angry

One panelist asked the common cp 6 vs 8 question. The answer this guy gave was twofold a) cp 6 still has a ‘victim’ self image - not as in “bohoo poor me im a victim” but as in talking about what others want to / are going to do to them, how others are after them etc. A dysfuctional 8 tends towards invulnerability illusions instead. Also since the 6 is posturing for defense, there can be a sudden “attack of common sense” before the actual confrontation causing them to back down or act reasonable before sparks can fly - the dysfunctional 8 is more likely to get genuinely self-destructive & fite you to the death. 

“success phobia” can be a way to say no to other’s expectations

also the author finally mentioned his own type and its 6. 

Type 7

It’s  not as obvious as with the other 2 but the 7s do have a concept of “forces out there” that want to restrict you - boring ideas of work marriage etc. 

(seconded per my own observations - you should hear a 7 go off about defeatists & pessimists. Germany as a 6w5-ish culture has a certain 7 shadow & counterculturals often go off about how “spontaneous and fun” in other countries)

if you want your baby 7 to need therapy one day, put them in a really dour environment full of negativity & trappedness, like ppl complaining about how bad their marriage is and so on... they will edit out the bad stuff even if mostly normal upbringings though. 

w6s can have sort of deliberately counterphobic bits to them too. sort of a hippie archetype. w8s can have this thing about piling up a lot of money & posessions as “revenge” for a poor early life

Sometimes they try to cheer others up or go into professions that do this because they’re really talking to their inner unacknowledged sadness

or as he calls it the “inner jail” that is being defended against - not just sadness but trappedness too

Type 8

Here they dwelled mostly on the tendency to carricaturize others & actually see them as more carricature-like - & of course you can squash a carricature with impunity without feeling bad

they can also just flat out say no/deny accusations tho & rationalize it on the fly then

there can be a rationalization of “i just wanna toughen them up” or “its just how the world works” but reactions to others can be colored by their relation to their own rejected inner sensitivity - either helping those ppl as standins or mocking/debasing them or misguided attempts at tough love etc. depending on what that particular 8s relation to their humanity is

this segment was a bit 1 sided imho if the book chapter comes out i hope itll be more detailed

Type 9

That was the best segment imho, it got really deep & kinda moving

9s are generally very tactile/physical in expressing feelings etc. Hug your 9s. 

as a corollary though when there’s a breakthrough experience it can be described as “everything looking clearer & sharper” (this goes for the other gut types to a lesser extent)

When doing spiritual/ self developement stuff ask yourself if you’re doing it because you believe in it or because others want you to improve otherwise it can happen that you just don’t get the inspo

which is often really de-motivating cause unhappy 9s sometimes have this fear of not finding anything on the inside causing them to not wanna look in the remaining places

Apparently when a 9 gets to the point of needing therapy the usual cause is a deep seated sense of hopelessness or “why try”, not thinking anything they do matters  & only trying to change or arcieve/ do anything cause others tell them to etc. apparently by now he tends check this possibility the moment he clocks a client as 9 & often thats exactly the prob

There wasn’t much on 1 that wasn’t already in the book. Except that the “ideal world/vision” is often visual, whereas the reframing - like making a case against wanting something they cant get or to “make up” for bad impulses etc. is usually more auditory. 

A general motif that showed up multiple times is ppl who haven’t integrated their lines (which really come from a form of enantiodromia) can sort of project those unacknowledged qualities in themselvesonto the world - maybe 6s see lazy sheeple & arrogant climbers everywhere or 5s see the world as full of annoying extroverts & yelling bossy folks etc.