#YOU SHOULD HAVE MADE IT AEMMA YOU COWARDS
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daenerystargaryen06 · 4 months ago
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Hot take: but maybe it would have been better in the show if in Daemon's most recent vision within Harrenhal it was Aemma he was with over Alyssa.
I have seen both sides of the argument here for and against Daemon's scene with Alyssa. But overall I still get a sense of disgust and question wtf the writers were on when they made that scene with Alyssa and Daemon. If you like the scene, great, more power to you. But overall a good majority of people were revolted by this scene. And I think that if they had replaced Alyssa with Aemma, the scene still would have the same effect, just in a different narrative.
Let's go with the theory that Alys is attempting to use the visions Daemon has as a means of building him up as King. Making him think he should have had what Viserys did, because he was better. Ultimately her goal for this theory is drive Daemon mad and make him think he would make a better ruler over Rhaenyra, thus turning him against her.
Let's begin with a breakdown of this vision. Daemon is committing incest and sexual acts with Alyssa, while she praises Daemon. Here is what all she says to Daemon: "Daemon. Daemon. You were always the strong one. The finest swordsman... the fearless dragonrider. Your brother had great love in his heart... but he lacked your constitution. Viserys was unsuited for the crown... but you... Daemon, you were made to wear it. If only you'd been born first. My favorite son." This dialogue is reminiscent to what Viserys tells Daemon in season 1 episode 4. Daemon was their mother's favorite. He had that in regard above Viserys.
But, why need to showcase him having sex with his mother just for this? The scene could work just as well if you replace Alyssa with Aemma, and it feels so less revolting if it had been Aemma. The reason Aemma would work just as well in this scene is because she is also the representation of what Daemon never had but Viserys did: -A loving wife and Queen with him as King -Their daughter, Rhaenyra, who Daemon clearly favors
-A stable marriage and the appearance of a good life (despite Viserys' actions against Aemma regarding childbirth and her death)
Aemma could have been the Queen Daemon could have gotten if represented in this vision over Alyssa. She could have been implemented as a way of saying- "See? You could have had all that your brother did and more if you had only been born first or made King over Viserys. You should be the one to rule, and Aemma should have been your queen, not Viserys'."
Daemon was stuck in an unhappy, loveless and childless marriage when Viserys was with Aemma. She could have been shown in this vision as a "what Daemon could have if he was King" over what he had been (or what he felt he had been) burdened with. Aemma also possessed Targaryen blood despite also being an Arryn, and has the Targaryen look in the show. She also could have been another known face Alys uses against Daemon to weaponize him against Rhaenyra (like how he saw young!Rhaenyra and Laena).
The dialogue Alyssa says in the show could also be rearranged to fit Aemma: "Daemon. Daemon. You were always the strong one. The finest swordsman... the fearless dragonrider. Your brother had great love in his heart... but he lacked your constitution. Viserys was unsuited for the crown... but you... Daemon, you were made to wear it. If only you'd been born first. My favorite [one/husband/lover/brother (not incest brother but favored brother out of him and Viserys)]."
Really only one word needed to be changed to fit this. The dialogue overall is neutral before that one word 'son' comes into play (fucking nasty). They wouldn't even need to change the blood that was on Alyssa for Aemma either. Aemma had died in childbirth, as Alyssa had, mirroring Daemon's mother's own fate. It still would have had the same effect, which is planting the idea in Daemon's head that he should be King (and should have been made King before Viserys) and manipulating him.
I just feel it would be better if it was Aemma? His mother was a weird take. I get somewhat what the showrunners were trying to do here, as I've said: I've read the arguments and points for Alyssa's implementation into the vision. But it still feels wrong. Targaryen's practiced incest, yes, but never parental x child incest. I get that Daemon never knew his mother but including her into a scene such as that was just... jarring and did not leave the taste I think the showrunners wished it did. I had liked Daemon's arc within Harrenhal up until that point. It was like a gut-punch and just felt icky in the end. And even MANY had assumed that it was Aemma in the vision over Alyssa, which just proves Aemma could have been a better fit over Daemon's own damn mother in this scene and it still would have been just as effective.
Or... maybe, just maybe- if they really were so damn set on it needing to be Daemon's mother in that vision- they should have done it differently.
Idk maybe have Daemon walk into the Throne Room, and instead of young!Rhae, he sees Alyssa. If it has to be intimate, make her treat him like an actual MOTHER would and not a fucking lover. Daemon missed out on having motherly love and affection -don't fucking come in my comments saying 'but Daemon never had motherly love so it makes sense he sees it as sexual since he views women as sexual blahblahblah' go read the fucking books- so they could have used that scene as a way of showing Daemon something he never got to manipulate him and add in the dialogue and boom, same impact.
It's just fucking gross, all right? I wish it was Aemma. I don't wanna see someone having sex with their MOM on screen. It's gross. Never bring that shit before my eyes again.
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lya-dustin · 1 year ago
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All is Bliss
Chapter 51
Cw: mentions of blood sacrifices, bullying, and murder
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Aegon remembers all the times he teased Aemond over his egg not hatching.
Its had been a smoky gray with red flecks given to him by Laenor and clutchmate to Jace's Vermax and Aemma’s annoying little dwarf dragon, Elēnar.
It had a name, some name that was meant to inspire fear, but made Aegon want to bully him some more.
Once mama caught him offering his blood to it after Aegon told him to, father had shouted at Aegon, taken Aemond aside and given him Barth's book on dragons while mother shouted at father for shouting at him only to slap him when she turned to yell at him, and he pointed it out.
Now as the king tries to make a second Sunfyre for himself, he finds himself looking for the dragonglass dagger Aemma keeps under her pillow for her protection.
They haven’t slept in the same bed since he was poisoned, mainly because he finds it gross as she told him she is to bleed for the forty days after the birth. Aemma had about a week or so to go and appreciated having the bed to herself.
She keeps busy, restless in her cage like the dragon she is and much like Silverwing, she does a good job of pretending she is fine as she is.
This morning he finds her reading her correspondence and having a late breakfast. She wears lilac today, brings out the purple of her eyes and matched the tie at the end of her long braid.
“What are you up to this morning, dear wife?” he asks completely forgetting what he came here for.
Aemma was always lovely, sure she was not the most beautiful, but she was kind and good company and had the old blood of Valyria running through her veins just like him. It would be nice to see her fly again, to see her throw her head back and laugh as Silver’s wingtips skim the ocean.
Once Baratheon wins this war for them, he will give her the freedom to fly again.
Of course, not often because it would look wrong when the king had no dragon of his own.
“Just some letters, Aunt Elenda wants me to take my cousins into our household, apologizes for the whole trying to drug me and almost killing your brother the night before his wedding, oh, and wants to confirm if Uncle Borros is still the man you want as Aenys’ godsfather.” She said showing him the letter as if he would doubt her word.
Aegon trusts her, a stupid thing to do, but he knows Aemma would never hurt him nor try to kill him. He quite likes her, finds himself missing waking up to her in the mornings.
“Tyland suggested him, I guess he had sent the letters already. I know you wanted Aemond to be Aenys’ godsfather, but we can keep Baratheon loyal to us without promising him a royal groom.” Aegon admits knowing why she wants Aemond to be made the babe’s godsfather. If either were to die, Aemond would be the man to raise Aenys as one would a son, if he was close to the boy no one would be suspicious of it and his overly familiar way with his wife not be too obvious.
The reason Aegon readily agreed to make Borros his godsfather.
Besides, Aemond fled Crossed Elms like a coward claimed to have dragon dreams knowing those tree worshiping cunts would believe him. Had he fought they would have won the battle, his brother just won’t admit it. Claims that the fucking riverlords had archers and the commanders too experienced for them to do more than to wave a peace banner and hope for the best.
If he had been there and had Sunfyre, the Riverlands would have burned, and he’d be a fucking warrior king like the conqueror.
Instead, he is here, stuck in this castle because he has been unmanned by his wife’s own fucking grandmother and humiliated by his own little brothers. Even Daeron went down as Daeron the Daring as he died like a man should.
When Borros comes, Aegon intends to lead the battle. He did it once and his sword arm is strong enough to fight, how hard could it be? And what better way to announce it than by entering the tourney.
“I suppose you are right, husband, especially because it will remind people that both your mother and my great-grandfather were brown of hair and eye. A shame Borros refused Cousin Joffrey, we could have had the Vale and Aunt Jeyne would be here to show she also has brown hair.” Aemma pretends it doesn’t bother her. Does a great deal of that since they married, Aegon wondered if one day she will like him and trust him like he trusts her.
He envies Aemond for getting to see the true Aemma, not the poised lady hiding her dragon’s blood underneath silks and brocade.
Aegon would’ve preferred Daeron had been the one to return and not Aemond. Daeron didn’t steal his wife’s heart from under his nose.
“If anyone dares to insinuate you cuckolded me, I will have their heads, dear Aemma. I plan on making sure they get the message at Aenys’ anointing next week.”
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“Harwin used to have the worst nightmares as a boy, always dreaming he and father were burning to death and Larys’ laughing as he stood outside the door.” Alys speaks softly as she nursed Aenys.
The babe had been small and frail when he was born and yet the moment Alys became his nurse that night, he awoke as healthy as if he had not been born early. Her witch’s blood refused to let her create new life but made her able to nourish life that already existed.
“I had nothing to do with their deaths.” The queen mother says even though she remembers asking Larys to do what he must to bring her father back to court. Larys had been using her, like all men have done, and yet this time she had the power to say no.
But she hadn’t said no.
Instead, she prayed for forgiveness and put it out of her mind when word of their deaths came just as the raven from Daemon did.
“Just because you say it outloud does not make it true, your grace.” The witch chides her like a mother does to lying child. “I know you agreed to it for your cause.”
“Then why join me? Why kill Harwin’s lover and his sons?” the queen asked hoping that was the answer as to why everything had gone wrong.
“To get to Larys, to have the Blacks kill all those who stand between me and Harrenhal. I work the corridors of self-interest just as anyone here. Now with the war lost and my dear little brother getting his comeuppance, you are of no use to me ,your grace.” The witch said as if it were just something trivial that had failed and not a system of governance.
As if it was always meant to fall.
“You said it was Aegon’s destiny to be king!” the queen cannot comprehend why Alicent would make her do such things if it had not been meant to happen.
“And it was, I never said for how long. Two years is more than Aegon the Uncrowned got.” Alys put the babe in his basket without burping him first and went to stand by the window.
Why did no one else seem to care about this more? Why did no one see that for her family to be safe, Aegon needs to be king and her as his right hand?
Aemma had poisoned her sons against her an now her most trusted ally is led astray by her.
“Oh, no, the little queen did not seduce me from your side, your grace. Our paths are no longer aligned. You stand at the end of your road while I still have so far to go.” the witch answered as if she had spoken aloud.
“You tricked me! You had me sell my soul to the Stranger and damn myself to the Seventh Hell!” Alicent begins to see her with horror.
And yet the witch just stands there by the open window as if nothing was happening.
It would be so easy to kill her. She could lie and say she was going to hurt the little bastard, that she cast a spell on him and she as his grandmother only meant to save him.
Alys would die instantly on the spikes in the dry moat, no one would know.
What is one more kill?
“You said you would do anything to make Aegon king, you agreed to the price, your grace.” Alys coos at her making the queen mother snap and barrel towards her like an angry bull.
Just over the window.
That is all she needs.
And yet when they stand over the edge, Alys overpowers her and instead, Alicent is forced to look down at her grave.
“Now be a good girl for mummy and pay it.” The witch whispers in her ear like a lover and tosses her over the edge as if she weighed as much as little Aenys.
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writingbylee · 4 months ago
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WIP Wednesday
(on a thursday shhhhhhhh it’s fine)
How it works: share your last sentence; or, if you don’t have one, share a plot bunny or idea! (OR sketch for your artwork!)
hehehehehehe have some ASOIAF fun
the last sentence i wrote for screaming from a crypt
“Lyanna.” Arya responded, her horse whinnying and pawing at the ground. “But my horse is smaller, so it didn’t count.” Ned chuckled and tousled Arya’s hair. Lyanna remained silent, staring at the walls of Riverrun ahead of them.
AND a random monologue that popped in my head for Aemma!
“I am Aemma Velaryon Targaryen, Princess of Dragonstone, and Heir to the Iron Throne. None of you have earned my respect. You sit here around this table and decide where to send armies you don’t lead and dragons you don’t ride. You are cowards. You hide from war behind my mother’s skirts like children, and then shame her for being cautious. The Greens hid the death of my grandfather and usurped my mother’s throne before the masses. Alicent Hightower wants to sue for peace? She killed that peace the day she whispered poison in the ears of her children. She killed that peace the day she drew a blade and came for a child’s eye. My uncle Aegon Targaryen is a pretender to the crown, and my uncle Aemond is a kinslayer. The only peace left to broker is their surrender.” Silence rang around the painted table, but if Aemma focused, she could still hear the faint screams of her mother in labor. “No council meetings will be held without the presence of my mother, The Queen. No decisions will be made without her approval. No dragons will be sent, no armies will be mustered. You will wait. Should I find any of you scheming in the shadows of my castle, know that Vermithor is always hungry.”
i know i’m a day late, but thanks for the tag @queen--kenobi !! no tags from me on this one— but if you haven’t done this yet and would like to share your plot bunnies, consider this your tag😉
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